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[–]anon_geek[M] [score hidden] - stickied comment (9 children)
Calm down people. Stop with the abuse or this thread will be nuked. First and last warning.
[–]imnoidiot5 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Why is this comment all the way down here if it is stickied? Isn't it supposed to be on top?
Idk what just happened.
[–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (7 children)
Why? Shouldn't patriotic Indians be able to tackle Paki loving separatists in the thread?
[–]anon_geek[M] [score hidden]  (1 child)
Tackle with civility. Calling for genocides and abusing other users won't be tolerated.
[–]Froogler [score hidden]  (1 child)
Shouldn't patriotic Indians be able to tackle Paki loving separatists in the thread?
Nobody here gives a shit about Pakistan. We are talking about Kashmiris and their right to self-determination. Unless you consider Kashmiris as Pakistanis in which case I wonder why you want Pakistanis to be considered Indians.
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    [–]enry_straker 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
    The Kashmiris have already decided the fate of the valley.
    Stone-throwing; Mobs; Islamic Fundamentalism; Fortuituous murder etc will continue; Article 370 will not be dissolved;
    Kashmiris will resist identifying with the rest of india - and their entire generation will keep bitching since the only thing they are taught is hate - all in the name of the religion of peace.
    There will be the occasional bright spot. An occasional cricketer selected; an occasional singer winning some competition; an occasional politician who will say something sensible etc - but nothing fundamental will change on the ground.
    And Pakistan will keep sinking into a deeper well of despair - and they will continue to depend on US aid for survival.
    And too many people died for india - to think of changing Kashmir's status.
    [–]KnockingMaster 8 points9 points10 points  (3 children)
    Where are the women at ?
    [–]coolirisme 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    These are just 'dissillusioned youth'.
    [–]AuntyBiotic [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Not allowed outside.. 'To protect from hindko rapists'.. Son a serious note.. Women are not allowed to attend actual funeral rites even in Hinduism.. They are not supposed to be contaminated by any souls or aatma bcoz they have to prepare food!
    I mean seriously.. I long for 100% good education penetration to masses
    [–]iVarun 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
    Volatile conflict zones can get solved within months often times. And often easy looking situations can simmer for decades.
    We can't know for sure if it will takes Decades.
    [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (2 children)
    Just look at Chechnya. Russia completely wiped out Chechen terrorists in less than a year during the Second Chechen War. Today there's almost nil militancy in Chechnya.
    [–]AuntyBiotic [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Doesn't mean Chechnya is supporeive of Russia.. And there is a rise of radicalism in Chechnya too..
    You can't kill an ideology unless you molḍ the brain
    [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
    What rise of radicalism in Chechnya? I need a source.
    There hasn't been any major terrorist attack in Chechnya in nearly a decade. It's completely integrated into Russia now.
    [–]coldcoldnovemberrain 11 points12 points13 points  (3 children)
    I think the only way India lets go of Kashmir is by building a dam on Indus and diverting the water to the Indian territories. It isn't about religion or patriotism or anything else. It is about fresh water which India is deficient in!
    [–]despod 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    How much water do you think mainland India gets from Indus? Its only sutlej, chenab, and beas rivers which have a significant part of their flow through India (and they dont flow through the kashmir valley)..
    Other than on the issue of hydro-power, imo, the water wars in Kashmir is quite exaggerated.
    [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
    As much as I would love this to happen, it can't. It would be a war crime against several UN resolutions and India would become a pariah in global community. Even in war times, rivers and water supply to civilians is not blocked.
    [–]Sol-_-lLonely 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    That won't solve the problem, Pakistan will train and send every last terrorist they have, in order to destroy/bomb that dam.
    [–]darklordind 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Not going to support another partition of India. We do need to learn something from history.
    Also those comparing Kashmir situation with colonialism are indulging in sophistry. Kashmir residents can elect their own government, they are not economically exploited and pretty much allowed to maintain their own culture. In case of British colonialism, an Indian was not equal to british citizen whereas Kashmir resident has the same rights as any other Indian.
    Also, AFSPA came into force in 1990, after militancy and exodus of Kashmiri pandits.
    [–]dhakar_chora 7 points8 points9 points  (86 children)
    Whats the context of the pic?
    [–]Indian_First 23 points24 points25 points  (84 children)
    A fucker terrorist died and lakhs of potential terrorist came to his funeral.
    [–]K45HMIRI -4 points-3 points-2 points  (14 children)
    AFAIK He was just the face but had never fired a bullet. Also, he died by being shot at point blank range suggesting he was double crossed and didn't die in a fire fight
    [–]WorksAt_Silph_Co 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
    What's the name?
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      [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (7 children)
      Bro he was the commander of a terrorist group. How is he not a terrorist?!
      [–]K45HMIRI [score hidden]  (6 children)
      He was the as in, a good looking chap to attract people. Also his three brothers were killed previously or something. Basically this was Saving Private Ryan.
      [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (5 children)
      I repeat my question, he was a member of a terrorist organisation. Why don't you consider him a terrorist?
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        [–]BeefJanataParty comment score below threshold-18 points-17 points-16 points  (10 children)
        Everyone is a potential terrorist when the colonizers start terrorizing the people.
        [–]Macaulayputra 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
        "Colonizers" implies settlement of a land.
        How the fuck are non-Kashmiri Indians the colonizers when we aren't even legally allowed to buy land in J&K?
        [–]marderapc 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
        Desh apna, janta apni.
        [–]aapman123 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
        Are pandits colonizers too?
        [–]aapman123 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        Then why did they kill them and chase them out?
        [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Then why were they kicked out and murdered by your beloved Kashmiri Muslims?
        [–]homosa_penis 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
        The fact of the matter is, India has a legal ownership of the land. Secondly, the Hindu/Buddhist dominated regions of the state wants to remain with India. But who cares about them right? We only care about the people of Kashmir valley and their "struggle for freedom", right?
        [–]Indian_First -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
        And we will kill everyone who will try to attack our integrity.
        [–]BeefJanataParty -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
        Hahaha I can totally imagine a keyboard warrior sitting in a cubicle in Bangalore typing that. Thanks for the laugh bro
        [–]bhiliyam comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (57 children)
        What do you mean by calling him a terrorist? Has he killed any civilians?
        Edit: grammar
        [–]ribiy 10 points11 points12 points  (13 children)
        How many civilians Osama bin Laden killed by himself?
        Zero.
        [–]bhiliyam -6 points-5 points-4 points  (12 children)
        Follow up comment in this thread.
        Before I label him a terrorist, I want to know if he has killed any civilians or incited people to kill civilians.
        If Osama bin Laden hadn't killed any civilians, hadn't participated in any plans to kill civilians, or incited people to kill civilians, I would have to say that he wasn't a terrorist either.
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          [–]ribiy [score hidden]  (6 children)
          So it's not about killing or inciting but about civilians?
          For a moment taking you line, Hizbul of which he was a commander has killed civilians in past. He himself few days back threatened to attack the proposed colonies of Pandits.
          And the real issue is that there is no accepted definition differentiating terrorism and militancy.
          Some say killing civilians is the key demarcation on which too, imo, Kashmiri separatists qualify.
          Some have a more nuanced definition. This article summarises it well. Of the various definitions explored in the article, imo, the following is the best one, on which too Kashmiri separatists qualify as terrorists.
          "In a nutshell, [terrorism] is the threat and use of both psychological and physical force in violation of international law, by state and sub-state agencies for strategic and political goals," says Yonah Alexander, a terrorism expert and director of the Institute for Studies in International Terrorism at the State University of New York.
          "No ifs, ands, or buts," he adds.
          Alexander sees international law as the key to separating legitimate use of force from terrorism. If insurgents are fighting a "lawful war" using tactics accepted by international law, they are not terrorists.
          "Terrorists are not insurgents, not guerrillas," he stresses. "Terrorists are beyond all norms. They don't recognize any laws."
          [–]bhiliyam [score hidden]  (5 children)
          So it's not about killing or inciting but about civilians?
          Absolutely. Killing soldiers or fighting against the state isn't terrorism.
          And the real issue is that there is no accepted definition differentiating terrorism and militancy.
          Some say killing civilians is the key demarcation on which too,
          Fair enough, many people have different definitions, but that is the definition that makes the most sense to me.
          Kashmiri separatists qualify
          Whether all or some Kashmiri separatists are terrorists wasn't the question. It was whether this particular man was.
          use of both psychological and physical force in violation of international law, by state and sub-state agencies for strategic and political goals
          I am sorry, but I don't agree with that definition. What is the difference, going by this definition, between terrorism and war?
          [–]ribiy [score hidden]  (4 children)
          We agree to disagree on definitions.
          However you missed the key part. He was a Hizbul commander which has killed civilians. He also threatened to attack the proposed pandit colonies.
          [–]bhiliyam [score hidden]  (3 children)
          He was a Hizbul commander which has killed civilians.
          When was the last time Hizbul attacked and killed civilians? I am genuinely asking. I tried looking up on Google News, but honestly could not find any recent links.
          Also, it seems that the more responsible of our newspapers (Indian Express, Hindu) refer to Hizbul Mujahideen as a militant group, and not a terrorist group.
          [–]ribiy [score hidden]  (0 children)
          OK, the goal post moves. ;)
          Now it's not about any Kashmiri separatists but a specific group and then about the time. How recent would qualify to make them terrorists?
          Anyways, did a very quick search and the first result I got is for 24th May 2004. There might be more within this link but my phone doesn't allow me to dig deeper.
          [–]ribiy [score hidden]  (1 child)
          OK, the goal post moves. ;)
          Now it's not about any Kashmiri separatists but a specific group and then about the time. How recent would qualify to make them terrorists?
          Anyways, did a very quick search and the first result I got is for 24th May 2004. There might be more within this link but my phone doesn't allow me to dig deeper.
          [–]marderapc 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
          BTW Zakir Naik also said the same. That he hasn't met OBL, so he can't comment on the fact if he's a good person or not.
          [–]bhiliyam [score hidden]  (1 child)
          How do you know I am not Zakir Naik?
          [–]marderapc 8 points9 points10 points  (41 children)
          Has Hafiz Saeed killed anyone directly?
          [–]bhiliyam comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (40 children)
          I don't know who Hafiz Saeed is. Stay on topic.
          I don't know much much about Burhan Wazi either. Before I label him a terrorist, I want to know if he has killed any civilians or incited people to kill civilians.
          Taking up arms against the state is militancy. It is not terrorism.
          [–]marderapc 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
          So you mean to say any subversive element shouldn't be apprehended because he hasn't killed anyone, but in other ways, managed to influence thousands of others into killing and be killed.
          slow clap
          [–]bhiliyam -4 points-3 points-2 points  (5 children)
          or incited people to kill civilians.
          Learn to read.
          shouldn't be apprehended
          Again learn to read. I am raising the question about his being a terrorist, not about whether he should be apprehended or not.
          [–]marderapc 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
          Why are you getting down to petty semantics to defend your bankrupt ideas?
          [–]bhiliyam 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
          What bankrupt ideas?
          I am just asking on what basis you guys are calling Burhan Wani a terrorist. If you can make a decent case for calling him a terrorist, I will agree with you.
          [–]marderapc 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
          Ok.
          1. How about breaking n number of laws about associating with terrorist groups like Hizb-ul-Mujahideen which has attacked the seat of Indian democracy, the Parliament. Associating with banned groups is a cognizable offence under UAPA.
          2. Handling prohibited bore weapons which had made in Pakistan stamps on them.
          3. Moving over to PoK multiple times without visa.
          I could spell out more, but you get the drift.
          [–]KnockingMaster 0 points1 point2 points  (27 children)
          I don't know who Hafiz Saeed is.
          Then you are in the wrong sub to be lecturing about Kashmir
          [–]bhiliyam -4 points-3 points-2 points  (26 children)
          I am not lecturing anyone. I am just asking you on what basis you are calling Burhan Wani a terrorist.
          [–]coolirisme 2 points3 points4 points  (18 children)
          Do you consider Hafeez Saeed a terrorist? If yes, apply the same logic for this fellow.
          [–]bhiliyam -3 points-2 points-1 points  (17 children)
          As I said, I don't know who Hafeez Saeed is.
          [–]coolirisme 2 points3 points4 points  (16 children)
          Here, read about the guy. Form your conclusions and try again.
          [–]SaintCuntyMcFuckOff 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
          I don't know who Hafiz Saeed is.
          if you do not know who he is, you kind of loose credibility to argue. it seems you are arguing without much knowledge of the world around.
          [–]bhiliyam [score hidden]  (0 children)
          I am not arguing anything. I am asking what is the basis of calling Burhan Wazi a terrorist. Why do I need to know who Hafiz Saeed is to ask that question?
          [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (2 children)
          He was the commander of Hizbul e Mujahideen, a terrorist group. He's a terrorist by definition.
          And yes, he regularly used social media to incite violence and encouraged people to attack police, army and Hindus.
          [–]bhiliyam [score hidden]  (1 child)
          And yes, he regularly used social media to incite violence and encouraged people to attack police, army and Hindus.
          Attacking police and army doesn't make him a terrorist. It makes him a militant.
          If you can give me links to establish that he incited people to kill Hindus, then I will absolutely accept your point that he was a terrorist. No questions asked.
          [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
          Here you go,
          Last month, the 21-year-old commander Burhan released a video warning of attacks on separate colonies for Sainiks and Kashmiri Pandits if they are set up in the Valley.
          [–]batatavada 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
          Mayyat of the young "martyr" I assume
          [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (1 child)
          Kashmiris should consider themselves lucky that they are born in India and not across the LOC.
          We allow them to have their own Constitution and flag, give Kashmiri students quotas in our universities, give them massive funding, most government spending per capita and much more. What more do they want from us?!
          Azadi? Yeah, no. That ain't happening. Kashmiris should quit their bullshit and do something productive with their lives other than aspiring to be wannabe Jihadis.
          [–]Indian_First 11 points12 points13 points  (20 children)
          Kashmiris are the biggest chutiyas in this world. First they support Pakistan, not their freedom but they want to suck dick of Pakistan.
          Second, they are encouraging terrorism and their generation is just learning hate.
          Another thing I can't understand is that how can they support these militants and Pakistan. These Kashmiri want a Muslim Kashmir not Kashmiri's Kashmir. They are against Kashmiri Pandits and want us to understand they movement.
          Islam is messed up and with this fundamentalism in valley, Army got no option. If you Kashmiri want to remove AFSPA then fucking support Army not the fucking terrorist.
          And as of the status of Kashmir, It was ours and it will be ours. No FREE KASHMIR or PAKISTAN'S KASHMIR, it is INDIA's KASHMIR.
          aur just wait we will take the POK as well, which is rightfully ours.
          Live or Leave.
          Jai Hind.
          [–]Random9434867896 1 point2 points3 points  (12 children)
          Kashmiris couldn't give an f about Pakistan or India, they want to be independent but obviously you're going to take their fight for independence as a sign that they somehow give a fuck about Pakistan. Also I'm not sure what religion has to do with the fact that the kashmiris are kept as prisoners in their own fucking homes. Lastly this "we will take POK back" is so fucking retarded because you have 0 idea how you will do any of that shit. I can't believe BS like that is upvoted on this sub. Kashmiris do NOT consider themselves to be Indians. Get the fuck over it.
          [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (11 children)
          It doesn't matter what Kashmiris think. Paki loving Kashmiris can go to Pakistan for all I care. The land of Kashmir is ours. Sane Kashmiris who want peace can stay and contribute to our country instead of becoming Jihadis.
          [–]Random9434867896 [score hidden]  (6 children)
          Maybe stop treating them like shit and treat them like human beings but then again that would actually require you to give a fuck about the life of kashmiris which most indians don't give an f about and that is why they will continue to fight the very people who oppress them...the indian army and the government.
          [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (5 children)
          We allow Kashmiris do have their own Constitution and flag, give Kashmiri students quotas in our universities, give them massive funding, most government spending per capita, hell non Kashmiris are not even allowed to own land in Kashmir.
          What more do they want?! They should stop dreaming of Azadi and do something productive with their lives other than aspiring to be wannabe Jihadis.
          [–]Random9434867896 [score hidden]  (4 children)
          And that is exactly the issue, you think that that after oppressing them you can coax them into wanting to stay with india. You think that those who want freedom are jihadis (so much for an educated discussion). You do not see the kashmiri cause as a valid one because you have never been oppressed, you have never seen family members get killed or raped by the army. When you don't know what kashmiris go through, your advice for them to "do something productive" is futile as fuck. Those seeking independence are not jihadis. You are treating kashmiris the same way that the British treated those they colonized and as history has taught us, Kashmir will be free one day because these tactics that the government/army are implementing will fail.
          [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (3 children)
          Keep drinking your independence kool aid.
          You first kick out all the Hindus and Sikhs from the valley, unleash a wave of Islamic radicalisation in the valley, kill Indian armymen and THEN cry about victimisation?!
          Hypocrisy is astonishing!
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            [–]Random9434867896 [score hidden]  (0 children)
            Just like "you" killed muslims in gujrat. You are essentially trying to use the plight of the kashmiri pandits as an excuse to oppress kashmiri muslims, do you realise how fucked up that shit is? You talk of hypocrisy as if your government/army aren't the biggest hypocrites around, maybe if you could look past the "mera bharat mahan" BS for a while you might understand what it is that the kashmiris are fighting for and will continue to fight for. The hatred for kashmiris has been open for all to see on this thread and others just like this and this is supposed to be the "educated" elite of india, can only imagine the views of those less educated. They''d probably be cheering on to see us all get killed by your army.
            [–]Froogler [score hidden]  (3 children)
            Paki loving Kashmiris can go to Pakistan for all I care.
            Paki loving or India loving - Kashmiris shall live in Kashmir as much as Tamilians shall live in Tamil Nadu. And they decide who rules them just like we decide who rules us.
            [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (2 children)
            Tamils don't violently demand for a separate country and definitely don't kill Indian armymen and police. They are sane and contribute to their motherland. Kashmiris should do the same.
            Learn something from the Tamils.
            [–]Froogler [score hidden]  (1 child)
            Honestly you've never heard of Prabhakaran and LTTE?
            [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
            That's Sri Lanka, I'm talking about India.
            And there too, Prabhakaran was defeated and LTTE demolished.
            Terrorism is not a solution, Kashmiris should learn that.
            [–]BeefJanataParty comment score below threshold-15 points-14 points-13 points  (4 children)
            And as of the status of Kashmir, It was ours and it will be ours. No FREE KASHMIR or PAKISTAN'S KASHMIR, it is INDIA's KASHMIR.
            kek. Kashmir is of the Kashmiri people, both Hindus and Muslims. Does not belong to the colonizers, ie. India.
            [–]homosa_penis 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
            Kashmir is of the Kashmiri people, both Hindus and Muslims
            errr.. there is one small problem though, more than 90% of people in Hindu/Buddhist dominated Jammu/Ladakh regions of the state wants to remain part of India.
            [–]KnockingMaster [score hidden]  (0 children)
            Yes , Pakistan should free POK
            [–]Indian_First 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
            You can come here every day and write the same thing for the rest of your life but deep down you know that you can't do shit and India will never leave Kashmir and InshaAllah we will take what is ours.
            Jai Hind!
            [–]diamondjim comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (0 children)
            Kashmir was obviously hand-moulded by the great Sri Sri Narendra Modiji himself when He was a child playing with Play-Doh. So it automatically becomes His property. As He is now Emperor of India, Kashmir becomes Indian territory.
            /mental-gymnastics
            [–]abhisin 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
            similarly a lot of people are defending Zakir naik. never expect good things from muslim community.
            [–]imnoidiot5 [score hidden]  (0 children)
            Wow, you went from 0-100 right there.
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              [–]anon_geek[M] [score hidden]  (0 children)
              Please keep personal attacks and name-calling out of /r/India. Repeated behavior of this sort will lead to a ban.
              [–]DEternal_Optimist [score hidden]  (0 children)
              There seems to be a huge disconnect between the Kashmir valley and the rest of India. If you consider the entire state of Jammu & Kashmir, regions like Jammu and Ladakh are not against the Indian state...In fact these regions are quite content being a part of India. The problem lies with the Kashmir valley. Today if a plebiscite were to be held there, almost entire population will vote for self rule.
              [–]5pagadi [score hidden]  (0 children)
              There are just a few 4-5 anti India guys who raise their ignorant voices every time something like this is posted and there are so many trying to shove some sense and providing facts. Why? Leave it. This has gotten toxic enough.
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                [–]BeefJanataParty -1 points0 points1 point  (18 children)
                No wonder Kashmiri people want to secede from India. The amount of hate for an average Kashmiri and the amount of support the army rapists and murderers receive from the Indian people..
                [–]ablueoyster 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
                "The amount of hate for an average Indian and the amount of support the Jihadi militants and murderers receive from the Kashmiri people.."
                [–]BeefJanataParty -1 points0 points1 point  (5 children)
                That could be said if it was Kashmir that was occupying an terrorizing the Indian people.
                [–]ablueoyster 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
                "Occupying?" Far as I remember, the Maharaja of Kashmir requested to join India. It's the separatists of Kashmir that are causing an issue here, it seems. They don't really have a reason to join Pakistan other than the fact that it's officially an Islamic country, which is so stupid, considering the fact that most people in Kashmir can't ever read the Quran, or for that matter, even know where Mecca and Medina is.
                Is Kashmir really OK with joining a country with a literacy rate of 45%? Really? Are you actually ready to have Urdu enforced on you? And remember, you are not going to receive the 'VIP treatment' that you expect. They will treat you like they treated Bengal, and the way they treat Balochistan if you try to wiggle your way out of their rules and laws.
                [–]BeefJanataParty -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
                Who said anything about Kashmir joining pakistan?
                [–]ablueoyster 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
                Have you seen the number of people waving Pakistani flags during protests in Kashmir. It's almost as if a Kashmiri's goal is to become Pakistani, not independent. BTW if you look in the post, there's a guy with a Pakistani flag there too.
                [–]BeefJanataParty -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
                That's up for them to decide whether to join India, Pakistan or stay independent. As of now most of them would prefer to stay independent.
                [–]coolirisme [score hidden]  (0 children)
                Good luck staying independent in a place sandwiched between India, Pakistan, China with no natural resources and no future prospects. Keep drinking the kool aid of independence.
                [–]balerion_tbd 1 point2 points3 points  (10 children)
                Seriously are these guys like 12 years old, this nationalism is literally cancer. I like how people shout when map of Kashmir is shown incorrectly, and claim that Pakistan has stolen 'our' land. But the rights of people who live there matter not one bit to them. It has been a crazy sight there for many years now, streets filled with soldiers with machine guns, civil liberties trampled on daily basis. Forget any hope of development.
                [–]coolirisme 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                When partition happened millions were displaced. Where was the people's right to land then?
                [–]Random9434867896 -1 points0 points1 point  (7 children)
                They don't give an f about Kashmiri people. All they care about is land and then they wonder why they're hated.
                [–]ablueoyster [score hidden]  (6 children)
                What the fuck do you think China, or Pakistan for that matter care about? Your "Kashmiri Culture"? Lol
                [–]Random9434867896 [score hidden]  (5 children)
                I don't think you indians get it. Kashmiris don't give a fuck about india, pakistan or china. They want independence, not to be stuck between the political shitstorm that is india and Pakistan but then of course your privileged ass won't be able to understand that simple concept because you've never been oppressed and hence in your eyes the terrorism caused by the army/government can be overlooked. Fuck You. Fuck the Indian/Pak government and Fuck the indian/pak army...
                [–]ablueoyster [score hidden]  (1 child)
                Have you read "The Guest" by Albert Camus? If not, I suggest you do. You will realize that you have a choice to choose any side you want - but not choosing one is not an option. The truth is that Kashmir will be torn apart bit by bit if it keeps confusing it's national identity with it's majority religion. Pick a side, or crumble apart.
                [–]Random9434867896 [score hidden]  (0 children)
                Kashmiris have already picked a side by an overwhelming majority and that is to be independent.
                [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
                Independence is a sham. You really believe an independent country that is Muslim majority can exist sandwiched between India and Pakistan?
                Pakistan would invade within 24 hours if Kashmir achieves "independence", just like what happened in 1947. Is your history that weak?
                [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (1 child)
                Independence is a sham. You really believe an independent country that is Muslim majority can exist sandwiched between India and Pakistan?
                Pakistan would invade within 24 hours if Kashmir achieves "independence", just like what happened in 1947. Is your history that weak?
                [–]Random9434867896 [score hidden]  (0 children)
                You can not use "ifs" and other hypothetical scenarios in order to keep oppressing people. When the British ruled over india, I'm sure they made similar comments like" this place would break down completely if we left"...it gives the oppressors a chance to think that they're somehow doing a favour for the oppressed.
                [–]ablueoyster 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Yes, Kashmiri Nationalism is literally cancer - especially because Kashmiri Nationalism for most Kashmiri people is actually an alternative term for 'Becoming a Pakistani', which seems to be the goal of the vast majority of the Kashmiri population.
                [–]anon_geek[M] [score hidden]  (0 children)
                Such kind of posts won't be tolerated. You have been warned.
                [–]diamondjim comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (9 children)
                Keep that blood boiling. When all Indians die of cardiac arrest, Kashmir will automatically become free.
                [–]Indian_Way_Of_Life 7 points8 points9 points  (4 children)
                If you hate India so much, why are you posting on /r/india? Why don't you go to /r/kashmir?
                [–]BeefJanataParty -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
                So much tolerance for other opinions. Much wow.
                [–]Indian_Way_Of_Life 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                There's a difference between opinion and hatred. You can't shit where you eat and say 'such tolerance, much wow'.
                [–]diamondjim comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (1 child)
                Ah, the Reddit version of "Why don't you go to Pakistan?".
                [–]Indian_Way_Of_Life 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
                Is this your version of "I don't have an answer to your question"?.
                [–]coolirisme -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
                Sure man, keep telling yourself that but the ultimate losers are the people of Kashmir, /u/diamondjim
                [–]BeefJanataParty -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                That self righteousness and a superiority complex like you know what's good for the people of Kashmir. Your colonial mentality is overflowing man.
                [–]coolirisme 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                Sure, sure. Whatever floats your sinking boat.
                [–]Gymbody_Jambulingam 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                Don't engage Paki trolls man. Waste of time.
                [–]Random9434867896 -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
                And this is exactly why Kashmiris hate India and do not and will not ever consider themselves to be indian.
                [–]throwaway_153759 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                Majority Sunni Muslims in valley will never reconcile with India no matter how hard elites in mainland try.The human rights violations by forces only make it worse espeacially in this era of social media radicalisation when an otherwise nuanced political struggle has turned taken radical religious overtones with little help from across the border. The only option left for us is to allow negotiate some agreement with Pak on water sharing and leave valley at the hands of Islamabad (let's face it sandwiched between India , Pakistan and China - independence is not an option) . However I all Hindu , Buddhist and shia majority regions should be retained by India as pak's record of treating minorities isn't anything to be proud of.
                [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
                Why should we give away the Kashmir Valley? It's an integral part of India.
                Paki loving Kashmiris can go to Pakistan for all I care. Sane Kashmiris who want peace can stay in India and contribute to the country.
                [–]manoflogan -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
                I am going to downvoted to hell for this, but I currently have no fucks to spare. Firstly, I don't think that the borders are going to change much.
                Kashmiri citizens are one of the most clamped down citizens in India. AFSPA denies any recourse to those who have ill treated by the security forces. The plight of Kashmiri half widows is deplorable.
                Some articles for your perusal
                1. http://scroll.in/article/762867/photos-the-never-ending-tragedy-of-kashmirs-half-widows
                2. http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/the-other-half/
                3. https://www.rt.com/news/kashmir-half-widows-children-support-151/
                4. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jammu/The-pain-of-Dardpora-Kashmiri-half-widows-living-in-a-state-of-limbo/articleshow/49251750.cms
                Students are not allowed to join unions, a blanket ban that was instituted in 2010. The students have wanted a ban lifted in a long long time.
                There is a long standing resentment against the New Delhi government that manifests itself at various times.
                There is a long standing lingering resentment against Indian authorities (government and army) for their heavy handed treatment in the past.
                You can't wash away resentment of 25 years in a single stroke.
                [–]sharma_bhanu 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                Neither are the Indian students there. I hope you did read about the NIT Srinagar incident.
                Any way, do you have a better solution to Kashmir?
                [–]WoodLund -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
                Yeah, I kind of agree. I have to agree with op, no seeing anything good happening in Kashmir in my life time.
                [–]bhiliyam -8 points-7 points-6 points  (28 children)
                We can have a meaningful resolution right now. Unfortunately, it is not the one that people of India want. The only solution acceptable to India is force their will upon the people of Kashmir.
                EDIT: People down voting this comment will do well to read the UN's International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Right to self-determination is one of the most fundamental of human rights.
                [–]WoodLund 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                Nopes. When you murder mango people, you lose your Geneva convention and UN rights and other similar mumboo jumbo things.
                [–]Kokkikumar 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
                Is that the same meaningful resolution that would be asked of West Bengal in 20 years?
                [–]Kokkikumar 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                Why do they get a free pass in ethnically cleansing out minorities then?
                [–]bhiliyam -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say.
                [–]Froogler [score hidden]  (0 children)
                Did you just get downvoted from +3 or so to -9 inside an hour? I am honestly not sure if people advocating India's majoritarianism opinion upon Kashmir are teens (when I was one, I had similar opinions too) or just being hypocritical.
                Guys, Bhagat Singh used to bomb the government of the day because they were against the wishes of the majority. He was and remains a hero to us till day. You can argue about the militant nature of the Kashmiri struggle, talk about all the covert ways Pakistan is funding this shit, etc., but do not forget that the Kashmiri struggle at its core is indeed a genuine fight for self-determination - exactly what our Indian leaders of 1947 wanted for us.
                Yes, Jinnah screwed the future of so many millions of people with his war in '48. Yes, things are pretty complex today with the changed demographics. Also, it is true that Kashmir as an independent state will get crushed between India and Pakistan. It is also true that the voice of a few valley representatives are overpowering those in Kargil, Ladakh and Jammu. We can of course discuss how all of this will get resolved if ever we had to get serious about it. But do not expect the majority in the valley to align to some Gujarati or UP leader at the center making decisions for them. Every group wants self-determination and Kashmiris are no different.
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                  [–]kkrriisshh 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  So take Kashmir back, brave warrior.
                  [–]anon_geek[M] [score hidden]  (0 children)
                  Please keep personal attacks and name-calling out of /r/India. Repeated behavior of this sort will lead to a ban.
                  [–]bhiliyam comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (10 children)
                  Further this resolution was passed in 1948 and is no more valid post the kashmiri Pandits exodus caused by militants as the fundamental configuration of people in Kashmir has changed.
                  The influence of the Kashmiri Pandit's vote is way overstated in arguments such as these. Even at time of independence, they didn't constitute much more than 5% of Kashmir's population. Their presence or not is not likely to have much impact on the result of a plebiscite.
                  [–]ribiy 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                  So because they are only 5% should they be pushed into a Sunni theocratic state? A place which wnats to throw them out and was protesting against them as of last week. Then there are Shias too.
                  I am sure UN must have said a lot of things about the minority rights as well.
                  A simplistic view on human rights is easy but think about the practical issues too. Seriously, think how it would play out with the minorities there. Giving a choice to minorities to move out would be the only option but that's not really an 'option'.
                  A self determination voting for Scotland is okay because they are not going to kill each other whatever the result might be. However, only a hypocrite can claim that a majoritarian Kashmir state won't become the funeral pyre for the pandits and a grave for Shias.
                  [–]ribiy 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                  So because they are only 5% should they be pushed into a Sunni theocratic state? A place which wnats to throw them out and was protesting against them as of last week. Then there are Shias too.
                  I am sure UN must have said a lot of things about the minority rights as well.
                  A simplistic view on human rights is easy but think about the practical issues too. Seriously, think how it would play out with the minorities there. Giving a choice to minorities to move out would be the only option but that's not really an 'option'.
                  A self determination voting for Scotland is okay because they are not going to kill each other whatever the result might be. However, only a hypocrite can claim that a majoritarian Kashmir state won't become the funeral pyre for the pandits and a grave for Shias.
                  [–]ablueoyster [score hidden]  (0 children)
                  So you it justifies imposing Indian rule over Kashmir, since their combined population is less than 5% of India's population? We then may as well have a referendum, excluding the Kashmiris, on whether we should keep Kashmir as an integral part of India? What kind of a shitty argument is this?
                  [–]marderapc 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
                  Do you have any idea about the demographics of Kashmir? Sunnis hate the Shias of Kargil and Baltistan. Invariably they would be accorded second class citizen status if the region of Kashmir had to self-determine.
                  [–]marderapc 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                  It's basically a fundamentalist radicalized society.
                  [–]bhiliyam -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
                  Do you have any idea about the demographics of Kashmir?
                  Absolutely none whatsoever. Would the Shias of Kargil and Baltistan vote against Kashmir's independence? If so, they could just remain part of India, no? (Or rather Kargil can remain part of India, and Baltistan can become part of India or whatever political system it wants to be part of)
                  [–]marderapc 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
                  Look at the map of J&K. It's impossible to give independence to the disgruntled areas of Kashmir without creating enclaves like those in the Indo-Bangladesh border.
                  Dude...junk the far-left propaganda and get down to ground realities.
                  [–]bhiliyam 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                  Dude...junk the far-left propaganda and get down to ground realities.
                  Haha, if you follow my views on r/india, you would know that I don't buy any propaganda about anything. I refuse to believe in any conclusions that I haven't arrived at myself.
                  [–]anon_geek 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Leave it bhiliyam. This thread is a chest thumping fest.
                  [–]BeefJanataParty -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
                  At least one sane voice in the thread. Others are calling for carpet bombing of Kashmir.
                  [–]Sol-_-lLonely 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                  Who are these 'others' you speak of? It was posted by one guy and he didn't say 'carpet bomb the people of Kashmir', he said 'carpet bomb this congregation'. There is a huuge difference between those two statements.
                  Why don't you talk about the other guy who talked about all Indians dying of heart attack? or better yet, why don't you go ahead and say "All separatists want Indians to die of heart attack"?
                  [–]BeefJanataParty [score hidden]  (0 children)
                  Too late, the hate comments have been deleted. All that hate from the Indian people towards people who are fighting a genuine self determination struggle. Not good.
                  [–]trollind 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  What is that meaningful resolution?
                  [–]narayans 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                  You seem like a reasonable person. What do you think is going to happen to the women there. Do you think they will ever have political self determination in the future YOU want for THEIR state? I feel they have a much better chance with the union, if not them, their daughters or grand-daughters.
                  [–]bhiliyam 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                  What would you have felt if the British had refused India independence on similar grounds? That India might treat its dalits, its women, and its muslims badly?
                  [–]narayans 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  I have no feelings about it. It's difficult to imagine what 1950 would have been like. It was probably when the rights of women around the world weren't too great anyway. Maybe in Miami or Paris where they could have roller-skated in clothing of their choice. To contemplate now, in 2016, to send women to a potentially repressive society for the sake of self-determination seems misguided.
                  [–]dagp89 -1 points0 points1 point  (11 children)
                  What I don't understand is why can't we let the Kashmiris choose what they want? Let them have a choice, a vote whether to stay or leave, and no, holding this vote in Kashmir is not a threat to other parts of India, Kashmir is a special case, the dispute was there from '47, no other part of India has such a strong sentiment to leave, so it's a unique case.
                  Even though the maharaja seceded to India, the people clearly weren't happy and wanted the other side, isn't it undemocratic to not let people have a vote on this?
                  [–]ablueoyster 6 points7 points8 points  (3 children)
                  People mostly don't know what they want. Brexit is a good example of that. The truth is that most people would vote for something mostly on the basis of 'herd' mentality without giving it any thought. Think about this - if India had held referendums in states with separatist activity/sentiment, the country would have been torn apart by now. I think the goal here is to stay together, meld together, and form a strong bond - just like we did it with other states of India.
                  [–]BeefJanataParty 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                  We tried that in Kashmir for the last 25 years and it has only become worse. You can't compare Brexit to this. EU was not occupying Britain with its army.
                  [–]dagp89 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Think about this - if India had held referendums in states with separatist activity/sentiment, the country would have been torn apart by now.
                  This is what I mentioned earlier, No other state has a strong sentiment to be separate, Kashmir is a unique case, holding a vote in Kashmir shouldn't be seen as a threat to the integrity of the rest of India, on the contrary it'll only strengthen the resolve to stay together.
                  If we hold a vote it can end this India-Pak conflict over Kashmir, if Kashmir votes to stay then Pakistan has to accept the people's will and forget Kashmir, if they vote to leave then they get Kashmir and they won't have any reason to hold a grudge against India.
                  [–]bhiliyam -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                  if India had held referendums in states with separatist activity/sentiment, the country would have been torn apart by now
                  Tathastu
                  [–]zebumatters 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
                  Strategically you always need a buffer zone for the bordering countries on that side of the country. Also you give them Kashmir, they will soon ask for old Delhi. You give them old Delhi, they will come for Hyderabad.
                  [–]dagp89 -2 points-1 points0 points  (5 children)
                  Oh come on, the disputes always been Kashmir, old Delhi or Hyderabad was never in the picture... if someone makes such claims people would just laugh it off..
                  [–]Kokkikumar 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                  Yes, Islam doesn't have a history of imperialism.
                  [–]coolirisme 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
                  Who gives a guarantee they will not. You?
                  [–]dagp89 -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                  Because they never made a claim for it ever, they're always harping about Kashmir, they never said old Delhi or Hyderabad or any other part is disputed, it's always been Kashmir.
                  And if they ever make such a claim in the future, it'll remain just that, a claim, nothing more will come out of it.
                  [–]coolirisme 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                  It's not about Kashmiri demanding Delhi and Hyderabad. I'm talking about new separatists popping all over the place and demanding their own territories taking Kashmir as inspiration.
                  [–]dagp89 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
                  That's not possible, no separatists group can gain such a large support without the government taking notice, and most importantly no other territory has ever wanted to be separate, apart from the khalistan movement, which is dead now, and the Kashmir issue which has been there from '47.
                  Kashmir is a unique issue, and it has to be dealt with in such a manner.
                  [–]Kokkikumar 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
                  Where are these terrorist sympathizers in the thread coming from. I will never understand their mindset. As Vijender singh put it - in a country where people routinely get killed over an acre of land some people think we will let go of Kashmir.
                  [–]BeefJanataParty -3 points-2 points-1 points  (4 children)
                  These are militants, not terrorists. Also, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
                  [–]Kokkikumar 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
                  They kill innocent Kashmiri civilians all the time, so terrorist is very much appropriate.
                  Also, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
                  3edgy5me.
                  [–]K45HMIRI -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
                  Well, army makes whole life edgy here
                  [–]imnoidiot5 [score hidden]  (0 children)
                  Is that why these "freedom fighers" kill innocent nomadic tribes like the Bakarwals and Gujjars? At least these guys fight back, but that doesn't always work. Choice quote from that book:
                  In Doda district, a group of militants forced several Gujjar Muslims to divorce their wives, whom they then married under the so called muttah practice of temporary marriage. The women were sexually abused and used as "sex slaves" and were bedded by even visiting terrorists.
                  Sounds like ISIS to me, which explains all the ISIS flags waved by the idiots whenever they want to protest the actions of the Indian military.
                  Truly a noble cause, I must say. Kill or enslave everyone who disagrees with you in the name of...what, I'm not sure. But it's totally okay to take funding to do all this garbage from militants, the ISI, gangsters, Qatar and Saudi Arabia: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
                  You cause is truly noble, and I'm sure the families of those killed by this total fucking shitshow appreciate it. Just look at this bullshit. Disenfranchising the Shias seems to be a popular idea, it makes sense for Kashmir to have sectarian violence too, apart from anti-government and communal violence. Just 100 km away this happens on a regular basis, so good call on the "yeah fuck India totes bro".
                  Nice bandwagoning, way to ignore nuance and props for just jumping on board the "fuck India for real tho" hate train without a second thought.
                  I don't know what the fuck goes on in Kashmir, and I don't know nearly enough to form an opinion on it, but I know that you're wrong.
                  [–]phantomsin [score hidden]  (0 children)
                  Kashmiri separatist is reality Islamic fundamentalism in guise of a 'freedom movement' , their own kashmiriyat is dead, . Government of india shouldnt have pampered the kashmiri elite and done what pakistan did in pok. What surprises me that there s a pdp government in power, i hoped they would be able to control the radicals in a better manner. Every secessionist movement needs to be crushed with an iron arm followed by political settlement.
                  [–]BeefJanataParty -9 points-8 points-7 points  (25 children)
                  That's what forced occupation does. There were Pakistani flags flying today. Our shameless Army Rapists and murderers have raped thousands of Kashmiri women and have killed thousands of Kashmiri men and dumped them in unmarked graves all over Kashmir. These huge funerals are an expression of that anger.
                  [–]Random9434867896 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
                  Not sure why you've been downvoted when the treatment of Kashmiri people is for all to see
                  [–]BeefJanataParty [score hidden]  (1 child)
                  Indians forget logic when he hear Kashmir. Look at the comments here, all emotion.
                  [–]Random9434867896 [score hidden]  (0 children)
                  What they don't realise is that the Kashmiris know how much the indians hate them and that is why all this bullshit about "Kashmir is an integral part of india" will never work.
                  [–]wingchar [score hidden]  (1 child)
                  Funny how we abuse our govt and the state of India every single day in reddit but here there seems to be a high dose of toxic nationalism and patriotism in this thread . These guys are treating Kashmiris as cattle.
                  [–]Random9434867896 [score hidden]  (0 children)
                  and reddit is supposed to be pretty much a left leaning website and if this is the scale of nationalism on here, just imagine what it's like on the ground.
                  [–]coolirisme 8 points9 points10 points  (8 children)
                  Tell that to Kashmiri Pandits, will ya?
                  [–]BeefJanataParty 0 points1 point2 points  (7 children)
                  Another warrior of the Kashmiri Pandits. It was never about the Kashmiri Pandits. Suppose, if Kashmiri Pandits are successfully rehabilitated and resettled in the valley, will you let go of Kashmir? Of course not.
                  The Pandit issue started in the late 80's and 90's. Would you have let go of Kashmir before that? No. Its just the forced occupation from a strategic standpoint for India and a massive ego trip and colonial mentality of ruling over another people for Indians.
                  [–]coolirisme 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
                  Will you let go of Kashmir?
                  Where is the concept of 'letting go' coming from. It was India's territory to begin it and we will hold on to it, no matter the cost and time. For that if we have to eliminate every extremist one by one, we will. Thank You very much.
                  [–]Froogler [score hidden]  (0 children)
                  It was India's territory to begin it and we will hold on to it
                  No, it was not an Indian territory until after Jinnah invaded the state and Hari Singh wanted India's help which we offered on condition of him signing an accession. So effectively speaking, Kashmir became Indian territory after Pakistan claimed it as theirs.
                  [–]BeefJanataParty 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
                  Spoken like a true colonizer. This is exactly what British would have said after the 1857 revolt.
                  This kind of toxic nationalism is what causes wars.
                  [–]rifinwono 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                  Colonisers would typically want to live in the colony. Not many Indians actually do
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                    [–]BeefJanataParty 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                    Why don't you start instead of hating people and hurling abuses at them for their opinions?
                    [–]anon_geek[M] [score hidden]  (0 children)
                    Please keep personal attacks and name-calling out of /r/India. Repeated behavior of this sort will lead to a ban.
                    [–]z921 3 points4 points5 points  (7 children)
                    Ever thought about families of men in uniform who died?
                    [–]BeefJanataParty 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
                    Forced occupation, Sir.
                    During the British occupation of India, have you ever thought for the families of the British men and women who died here?
                    It's clear who is the oppressor and the oppressed here. Kashmiris have no option but an armed uprising against the Indian state. When a rabid dog attacks you, you can can't sit at the negotiation table and negotiate for peace with it.
                    [–]coolirisme 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                    When a rabid dog attacks you, you can sit in the negotiation table and negotiate for peace with it.
                    LMAO! When a rabid dog attacks it needs to be put down with extreme prejudice before it spreads it's disease.
                    [–]BeefJanataParty -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                    Edited now. Typo.
                    [–]z921 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
                    You have no fucking idea of what you are talking about. Do you know Indian army and all government law enforcement buys (rather is forced to buy) all its equipment from Kashmiri dealers? Yes, these Kashmiri dealers buy stuff from Delhi, transport it to Kashmir and then our govt buys it from them. No other Indian state enjoys this handout from that government.
                    Go to Drass,Sonmarg, Kargil. You will see these people in lavish houses vying with each other to become dealers.
                    Then when the protests start they use the money to organise stone pelting and burning of convoys. The leaders and financial supporters of the protests are mostly people belonging to this double sided nature and are mostly backed by these businessmen and dealers.
                    When floods come it's the Army which goes, none of your jihadi friends are seen. In fact motherfuckers like Yasin Malik first got rescued in the flood by the Army and then asked other people to not take the Army's help!
                    Both my father and my wife and I have served in Kashmir.
                    I don't know why I bothered responding at all - but motherfuckers like you sometimes need to be shown a dose of reality.
                    [–]BeefJanataParty 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                    Man. The army rescuing people thing. If Kashmir was a separate nation or a part of Pakistan, the people would still be rescued by the army. PoK which sees bigger floods, get its help entirely from the Pakistani Army. You know who sets up rehabilitation camps for them? Jamaat Ud Dawa. Yes, the religious wing of the LeT of Hafiz Saeed. Does that mean Hafiz Saeed is a great philanthropist who help poor people? No. He like the army is an opportunist asshole who plays with human lives and terrorizes people. Can't believe these army rapists claim moral high ground for rescuing Kashmiris during floods and turning it into a giant PR exercise.
                    There will always be a class of people who will benefit from the occupation. Even in colonial India, a few Indians benefitted from the British occupation. Doesn't mean it was good for the entire country.
                    I've known a lot of people from Kashmir too. The army is a filthy, morally corrupt and a degraded organisation. The extent of abuses that it perpetuates in Kashmir is unparalleled, and most of this do not make it to out media which keeps sucking on Arvind Kejriwal or Modi's cock. Most army officers I've met are brainwashed in their days at the NDA and have a narrow view of India. They're force fed this toxic brand of nationalism right from day 1. They also have this inherent superiority complex like they're the only one serving India. Can't blame them actually, after all that years of brainwashing, killing, raping and seeing everything from one side of the curtain.
                    [–]Random9434867896 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                    Couldn't give a fuck about the oppressors.
                    [–]diamondjim -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
                    Yes. They're victims of their governments colonizing policies. Their blood is on the hands of Nehru, Indira, Rajiv, Rao, Vajpayee, Modi, etc.
                    [–]jstdjsf 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                    Here is a argument with substance on forced occupation for you:
                    You have to be chutiya to fall into Pakistani propaganda and believe at such things as an Indian (if you are one). Here is what UNSC outlines regarding the Kashmir plebiscite (these have to happen in the same order):
                    • Pakistan to recall all military from Kashmir
                    • India to recall all military from Kashmir except keeping a small force necessary for border protection
                    • Once the first 2 steps happen only then can plebiscite be conducted.
                    Pakistan never executed the first step so how will the next 2 steps happen?? Further this resolution was passed in 1948 and is no more valid post the kashmiri Pandits exodus caused by militants as the fundamental configuration of people in Kashmir has changed.
                    [–]Indian_Way_Of_Life -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
                    Even if what you're saying is true, Muslims in general have no right to bitch about rape and murder.
                    [–]BeefJanataParty [score hidden]  (0 children)
                    Staying true to your username I see.
                    [–]clanlord -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                    i suggest give them kashmir and take JAMMU.. take your army and other resources from there. Let the whole region turn into a dead zone stop all supplies from outside. They dont want to be a part of either pak or india let them become a independent nation then. I dont want my tax money to go towards these beggars
                    [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
                    We already have Jammu, and we're not going to give away an inch of our sovereign country to Pakis.
                    [–]Gol_Gappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
                    We already have Jammu, and we're not going to give away an inch of our sovereign country to Pakis.
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                      [–]wingchar [score hidden]  (0 children)
                      Woah bro , why are u advocating full on genocide?
                      [–]dontbelieveinreddit [score hidden]  (0 children)
                      /u/ChunnuBhai what's the source of this image?
                      Reverse Google Image search shows nothing.
                      Was this really picture really taken at the funeral of a terrorist?
                      [–]diamondjim -9 points-8 points-7 points  (1 child)
                      Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.
                      Edit: takes a special kind of ignorant bigot to downvote a prayer for the dead.
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