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[–]learntouseapostrophe anarcho-communist 17 points18 points19 points  (2 children)
literally died for our freedom for once.
[–]Djzongreethesecond capitalist voluntaristMinarchist Mountain Dew Euphoria 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
No, He didn't. He was a black nationalist who believed that all white people should be killed.
This is like if a white nationalist went and shot a bunch of police, then ancap's praised him as a champion against police brutality.
It'd be stupid if they did it, it's stupid that you guys are doing it.
[–]Topyka2 anarcho-communist| Burn Disneyland Down 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Black nationalism is very different from white nationalism, dude.
[–]nointerlockingparts person of colour 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
I'm kind of amazed to see an American serviceman that actually died for my rights. Never thought I'd mourn a fallen soldier but RIP.
[–]Anarkat Insurrectionistand liberal smasher 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
There are more of us than you think that willing to lay down our lives for people, and not the system.
[–]subterraneanfire_86 InsurrectionistBurn the Prisons 14 points15 points16 points  (15 children)
To anyone who is getting shit twisted, people have a right to self-defense and any attack on the police is an act of self-defense. When POC have been putting up with hundreds of years of state violence, mass incarceration, slavery, discrimination, red lining, and all the other manifestations of white supremacy and capitalism how the fuck are you gonna act surprised when someone finally snaps and shoots back? At least 2 unarmed black men were killed by police in a 48 hour period leading up to the shootout in Dallas. If you have a problem with oppressed people's right to self defense I have a problem with you.
[–]AnAntichrist anarcho-dudeist 4 points5 points6 points  (13 children)
Supporting the right to self defense does not equate to random violence against cops. Those cops weren't doing anything to anyone. Shouldn't we take the higher road and not indiscriminately kill?
[–]Cheerwell anarcho-communist- I want to give a shit again 9 points10 points11 points  (4 children)
Those cops weren't doing anything to anyone
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[–]AnAntichrist anarcho-dudeist -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
You think every cops Wakes up in the morning and consciously decides to be oppressive and a tool of the state?
[–]thouliha 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
I don't wake up every morning intentionally thinking of breathing, but I still do. Cops don't have to actively be assholes, their function makes it an unavoidable necessity.
If I tried to stop breathing, I'd die, much like if any cop actively tried to defy their bourgeois orders, they would be fired or Chris dornered.
[–]RanDomino5 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
They wake up and consciously put on the uniform, so yes.
[–]Nipplestockings- 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Any living cop is a threat to people of color.
[–]thedignityofstruggle Other: Deep Green Pagan Doomerist 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
Those cops weren't doing anything to anyone.
In that particular second...
[–]AnAntichrist anarcho-dudeist -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
So why kill them? If they were attacking someone then fight back. But why take the life of innocent people.
[–]thedignityofstruggle Other: Deep Green Pagan Doomerist 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Good grief.
[–]gnuworldorder 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Those cops weren't doing anything to anyone.
the fact that they lined up against protesters who were demonstrating against the heinous acts that took place twice in 2 days says otherwise. when they put on their uniforms and went out there they took a stance against the people who were protesting the institutionalized and systematic execution of 2 people and the stance against people wanting police accountability.
am i saying it is fair or justified or it should be repeated what happened in dallas? no not really, but it wasnt fair or justified and it definitely should be repeated what those 2 sets of cops did. those cops knew why they were out there and knew what side they were on, and if they cant accept that, they should walk away for the police force or actually take a stand against all the bullshit they have turned a blind eye to because it isnt their problem
edit: oh i should also say that you do realize that 2 people died more or less because they where black. let that sink in for a second. you cant just wake up one day and go "oh you know what im done with being black so im going to not be black anymore". being black wasnt their job, they had 0 choice if they want to be black or not. those cops had the choice. they could have gone, holy shit the people in my profession are fucking nuts and out of control, im done with this, and not shown up and lived. instead they suited up went out there and got shot.
[–]cristoper mutualist -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
random violence against cops
If it appears "random" to you, then you haven't been paying attention at all.
[–]DenverDarnell comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (2 children)
Shouldn't we take the higher road and not indiscriminately kill?
lol no
[–]PracticalAnarchy 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
lol no
This is the kind of shit that makes people think we are literal children.
[–]AnAntichrist anarcho-dudeist 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
What makes us any better then? We kill for no reason they kill for no reason somebody has to stop killing. We don't even do the majority of it, hardly any of it. So let's be better people.
[–]SpiritualUnity socialist -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Self-defense necessitates a legitimate fear for your own safety. You don't get to go on a racially-charged revenge killing spree and appeal to the principle of self-defense. Not only is planned and individual violence completely unnecessary, it's counterproductive at best and abhorrent at worst. This is like Islamic fundamentalists who justify their violence based on western imperialism or discrimination against Muslims. I'm interested in why people turn to violence, in certain cases I can sympathize with them (like this one). But I don't want random and senseless acts of killing - I want a social revolution, I want to get smash the state, I want to abolish capitalism. What is the point of canonizing this guy?
[–]AnAntichrist anarcho-dudeist 16 points17 points18 points  (5 children)
Alright honestly this is disgusting. How can you guys support such random violence. Yes cops are tools of the state, yes they are tools of the capitalists. They're still fucking people.
[–]PM_ME_FULLCOMMUNISM 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Yes, and so was the Tsar, so was his family, so were his guards.
So was the King, so was his Queen, so was his army.
The systemic violence that we face day to day under capitalism isn't as gut-wrenching as what appears to be senseless random violence, but it is real and its hands are far from being clean. but
People are going to die and that makes me sad. If you are an anarchist, truly, it should too.
because we are anarchists because we believe in the potential of human life and see how it is wasted when it is oppressed, wasted when it is treated as a commodity, wasted when property and material objects are placed above it. these officers are just other victims of that waste.
but in the end I've always believe that those same pawns of capitalism (i.e police and military etc) can definitely get on the side of the working class because generally they're from there. sadly enough, ideology makes it so that shooting arabs that we think are 'terrorists' is easier than shooting against your own friends and family that are rioting or whatever.
anyway thats enough rant for one night I think
[–]Nowhrmn anarchistmarket socialist 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
They're people and most of them seem to think they're doing something good. Few people understand structural oppression and putting on a cop uniform and a badge is not signing a contract to oppress black people.
Most people spend their entire lives watching media that glorifies police like Law and Order, Zootopia, etc. etc. but apparently their lives are forfeit if they believe any of it and actually join the police.
I believe in anarchism because it will reduce violence in the world. If achieving anarchism means murdering everyone who was ever involved in an oppressive system then count me the fuck out. Inb4 liberal garbage.
[–]AnAntichrist anarcho-dudeist 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Fucking exactly. When the time comes will you be the big man with the tommy gun?
[–]RanDomino5 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
random
What is it with people not knowing what words mean lately? It wasn't "random".
[–]thouliha 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I'm sure people said the same shit about John Brown.
[–]Dysnomi 6 points7 points8 points  (3 children)
I'm amazed at the gullibility of my comrades.
[–]cristoper mutualist 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
What do you mean?
[–]Dysnomi 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
It seems like the majority of you repeatedly accept MSM narratives as true, despite the history and the legality of their many lies.
[–]theSpectacularSelver- *\/\=~-~...._^_ | +_^_+ | _^_....~-~=/\/* 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Inside job bro
[–]Nowhrmn anarchistmarket socialist 8 points9 points10 points  (5 children)
Ugh, no wonder I get dirty looks for talking about anarchism to people. They all think it involves killing all the capitalists and cops. I'm beginning to see how they got that impression.
[–]hamjam5 individualist anarchist 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
Not all of them, just the ones that violently insist on remaining so.
[–]Nowhrmn anarchistmarket socialist 6 points7 points8 points  (3 children)
That's exactly it, though. When the revolution rolls around and institutions are repudiated and property/wealth is seized (which really feels like a joke to say but whatever), capitalists and cops will actively try to repress it. Those who make that choice will be violently resisted and defeated by the revolutionary populace.
That does not extend to wasting cops who have been deployed to supervise a protest in a time with no revolution to speak of. These guys are the agents of oppressive systems, but they haven't made the conscious choice when confronted with an alternative.
That's just how I thought this was supposed to happen. Maybe I'm just a naive liberal piece of shit, but I never imagined that anarchism could be achieved by shooting people who haven't really made their choice yet.
[–]utterlygodless 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
capitalists and cops will actively try to repress it
There is no, "when the time comes". Capitalists and cops are actively repressing peoples' free will and agency now. That's the point. Wthout an a propertied elite, there's no justification for cops and without cops the elite would crumble and the institutions that keep them there would go with them.
[–]Nowhrmn anarchistmarket socialist -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
The point is that there are normal people, who aren't bad people who deserve to be killed, who are capitalists and cops because that is how our society is and those are great things to be according to 95% of people. Most of them don't even know what they're doing is wrong. So we shouldn't just go and shoot up a local small business convention because those guys are capitalists and we shouldn't kill cops who are standing around a protest because they're cops.
I mean, for fuck's sake, I thought this kind of thinking was common to most humans but I guess not.
[–]hamjam5 individualist anarchist 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
They see cops killing people just like you and I so. They see systematic racism, just like you and I do. They see what capitalism does to communities all over the world, just like you and I do.
When they put on the uniform and join the chain of command each day anyway, they are making their choice.
[–]Cheerwell anarcho-communist- I want to give a shit again 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
I support this troop!
[–]Rasalom 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
So he was a solider? Last night I guessed as much after seeing how the shooters were wasting cops efficiently.
I said last night that this is what you get when you send young men off to pointless wars in alien places. They come back mad and ready... Only a matter of time before they decide to keep the war going if you keep oppressing their people.
[–]Anarkat Insurrectionistand liberal smasher -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
Rest in Power. I salute and look up to you. As a soldier, to a soldier.
Hero of this insurrection.
[–]king_of_poopin 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
It is refreshing seeing what a modicum of tactics will reduce the cops to.
[–]ruminating green anarchist 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Speaking of tactics, I am interested in seeing how this will play out. Usually the whole "lone wolf" thing doesn't do very much strategically. But there has been a massive reaction to this, and I am as of yet unsure if it will shock political will in the right direction or the wrong one.
I attended a supposed BLM rally(although I am not sure if it was really a chapter of BLM) just today. It was hastily thrown together, but everyone was out there and it was good to see so many more moderate people I know out to support something with the BLM label attached to it. But the thing is, both the Mayor an the police chief were not only in attendance, they were speakers! And while they grabbed everyone's attention of an allotment of time, they basically said a bunch of garbage about love and togetherness without saying anything rooted in material actionables. They basically said a whole lot of nothing, other than their desire to see everyone love one another no matter what is done to them.
This is typical, and I am glad that some about of coming to the table with a common understanding that shit is getting really intense, but it is only perceived as so intense because someone finally shot back.
[–]rosco314 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Some of you are actually sick. I'm shocked that people support cold blooded murder. Fuck the state but fuck murder more! And extra fuck every single one of you who treat these murderers as heroes. Acts like this move the world to a more opressive and dangerous place.
[–]ruminating green anarchist 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Black people should be able to defend themselves. This is part of what that looks like.
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[–]Dysnomi 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
I typed without thinking. You're not all fools. I'm gullible too.
[–]Dysnomi 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
False flags.
But does it even matter? Highly publicized lies might as well be truth.
[–]Hermanissoxxx Other: Labels won't hold me down. 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I just came to that realization in my car today. Even though it's all bullshit, the contrived narrative is widely accepted. I'm hit with nothing but resistance when I try to change someone's perception. It may be easier to change public perception with the parameters already set.
For example, 9/11, obvious inside job. The accepted story is Islamic terrorism. Instead of exposing the deceit, we could just stick with saying it never would have happened had the US not armed and trained the Mujahideen.
Both tactics undermine the government's credibility but one is met with less resistance.
[–]lumpenspaceprole 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
What are you saying? You've never struck me as a conspiracy theorist.
[–]Hermanissoxxx Other: Labels won't hold me down. 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
You've greatly underestimated your enemy. Sure, there's a shit-ton of misinformation out there, but that's part of the deception. Mix lies with truth, until you cannot distinguish between the two.
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