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[–]positive_mental_atti 26 points27 points28 points  (4 children)
The truth is, your politics are boring to them because they really are irrelevant. They know that your antiquated styles of protest—your marches, hand held signs, and gatherings—are now powerless to effect real change because they have become such a predictable part of the status quo. They know that your post-Marxist jargon is off-putting because it really is a language of mere academic dispute, not a weapon capable of undermining systems of control.
[–]anarcho-stalin 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
I dig that quote 117%... but where's it from?
[–]positive_mental_atti 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
your politics are boring as fuck by nadia c
if you like that i'd also suggest you check out nihilist communism by monsieur dupont and against the leviathan. post-left primer :P
[–]Cheerwell anarcho-communist- I want to give a shit again 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Against Leviathan, Against His-story is fucking ~amazing~
[–]MelungeonQueen 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
It must be my birthday
[–]WhoWouldHaveThunk1 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Woot woot!
[–]Anarkat Insurrectionistand liberal smasher -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
I feel good for all these police killing events. Fight back!
[–]tripleyump comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (39 children)
Dallas Police Chief David Brown said the suspected shooter, Micah Johnson, was upset about the recent police killings and said the 25-year-old "wanted to kill white people, especially white officers."
Tbh this guy sounds like a racist piece of shit, not a hero. I'm very much OK with organising against and combatting police, but this isn't it.
[–]einrobstein anarcho-communist 10 points11 points12 points  (36 children)
You're an anarchist who doesn't understand how racism works?
[–]35skadoo 7 points8 points9 points  (26 children)
I know that hating people based on their skin color for any reason is fucking stupid, but I guess I'm just a capitalist shitlord or something...
[–]SuperPrism2 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
Watch out! They might call you a Liberal if you are not careful.
[–]35skadoo 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
I don't know if my poor little heart can take it.
[–]einrobstein anarcho-communist 5 points6 points7 points  (15 children)
He doesn't hate white people for the colour of their skin. He hates white people because they represent the white racist power structure that systematically oppresses and commits violence against black people; white police officers even more so.
[–]merciersbeardperfume 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I'm not even really buying that he hated white people in general.
From heavy.com:
On Saturday, Johnson posted a video of people slaughtering dolphins to a Black Panther Facebook page, writing, “Look at the joy on their faces. Why do so many whites (not all) enjoy killing and participating in the death of innocent beings?,” according to CBS News.
I mean, he bothered to type out "so many whites (not all)". People that don't even hate white people rarely bother to explicitly state "not all white people" (not that they should feel obligated to or anything). Yet, he explicitly stated "not all white people."
Furthermore, if he was out to kill white people in general, why did he only shoot police? I imagine the area was packed. Probably some white people walking around that he could have shot in-between shooting police. Yet, he didn't. He only shot police.
Also, people seem to be taking the police chief's word for it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he made up the part about the shooter saying he wanted to kill white people in general. Easier to get people on your side that way. Makes white people afraid.
Now, I think if he did, in fact, hate white people, it would be understandable given the reasons you've just pointed out. And if he was, in fact, targeting white people as a whole (though I highly doubt it) then it's something I would be opposed to. But again, I don't think either of these things are true.
[–]SpiritualUnity socialist 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
He doesn't hate white people for the colour of their skin. He hates white people because they represent the white racist power structure that systematically oppresses and commits violence against black people
You can argue that this is an understandable position, stemming from decades of systematic oppression. It's still abhorrent. The average white person is not responsible for anything, they are similarly (to a lesser extent, sure) the victims of exploitation and violence perpetrated by the state.
[–]learntouseapostrophe anarcho-communist 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
It's still abhorrent.
it isn't abhorrent. the system that created it is abhorrent.
you can't look at this in a vacuum. his actions are an extension of a society that criminalizes blackness and still enslaves black people.
the country is abhorrent. what created it is abhorrent. is it abhorrent? no, not if you mean that it is equally bad. it isn't even close. it's bad, yes, but it's nowhere near as bad as what made it, and we're only talking about wanting to kill white people. he killed a white pig. that's perfectly ok. it's like killing a member of the SS.
he isn't a bad man. his suffering overwhelmed him and he found an appropriate outlet. the morality of the subaltern is necessarily different from the morality of the oppressor.
[–]SpiritualUnity socialist 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
it isn't abhorrent. the system that created it is abhorrent.
you can't look at this in a vacuum. his actions are an extension of a society that criminalizes blackness and still enslaves black people.
Which is why I said it's understandable. Maybe abhorrent is the wrong word - at least, it's a position that is misguided and condemnable. We shouldn't support the ridiculous idea that white people, as a monolith, are to blame for state violence.
he isn't a bad man. his suffering overwhelmed him and he found an appropriate outlet. the morality of the subaltern is necessarily different from the morality of the oppressor.
Whether or not he's a bad person isn't a discussion I'm willing to get into. His views and actions were harmful and misguided. I remember as well as you or he did the deaths of Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, whoever. How he felt was understandable.
[–]tripleyump 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
Are you white? Would it be reasonable for him to shoot you because your skin color represents the power structure that systematically oppresses and commits violence against black people?
(it happens to be white people this time, the argument could be used for any race)
(I know it's problematic to call white a race because of how whiteness tends to evolve over time, I use it for lack of a better word)
[–]learntouseapostrophe anarcho-communist 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
all races evolve over time. your race can actually change if you move from one nation to another. happened to me. race isn't a biological trait. whiteness is a race.
[–]tripleyump 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
all races evolve over time. your race can actually change if you move from one nation to another.
Really? May I ask where you're from and where you moved? My mum's a pole who's more swedish than most people I know. No one would call her a swede. Same with a friend who's vietnamese but lived almost his entire life here.
race isn't a biological trait.
I'm with you on that, 100%.
whiteness is a race.
I'm not 100% decided on what to think in this matter tbh, but I've heard some solid arguments that it's not so I treat it as a schrödinger's race: it's both a race and not a race at the same time.
[–]einrobstein anarcho-communist -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
I'm talking about racism. I never said anything about justifying the killing itself.
[–]SolidBlues anarchist 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
But white people don't. This is just the reverse of white people who think they're better than black people (note: I'm not saying anything about "reverse racism"). Those in power represent the white racist power structure that systematically oppresses and commits violence against black people, white and black, not white people as a whole.
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[–]einrobstein anarcho-communist -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
This is the wrong subreddit for you.
[–]35skadoo -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
Why? Because I disagree with your hypocritical, shallow, misanthropic, bullshit?
Face it, your logic here is fucking terrible and the shit you're spreaking in favor of was fucking terrible. There's no light at the end of this tunnel and I'm really getting sick of r/anarchism's stupid tendency to engage in radical dick measuring contests.
[–]learntouseapostrophe anarcho-communist 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
no one's implicitly agreeing with the above narrative. it isn't nearly that simple. you can't even begin to compare pigs hating black people to black people hating whites. your comparison is completely nonsensical. i'm not saying it's ok to kill random white people, i'm saying your statement is just utterly facile.
[–]35skadoo -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
you can't even begin to compare pigs hating black people to black people hating whites
Sure I can.
Cop: Makes decisions and acts based on what he believes skin color represents
This guy: Makes decisions and acts based on what he believes skin color represents.
Pray tell, what exactly is the moral difference here?
There might be a lot of racism in society, but that's not an excuse for embodying the same logic and casually dehumanizing other people.
[–]tripleyump 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I'm really getting sick of r/anarchism's stupid tendency to engage in radical dick measuring contests.
Yes, this. This is one of my absolute favourite subs but there are some people who kill any discussion to make sure it's just an echo chamber of people calling cops pigs.
Oh, sorry, I mean:
lol.
Kill Whitey
[–]rleanor_eoosevelt anarcho-communist 0 points1 point2 points  (7 children)
racism =/= prejudice
in day to day conversation the distinction isn't really important and probably doesn't matter.
but if you want to have a conversation about this shit which is rooted in sociology, you're going to have to differentiate the two terms.
[–]35skadoo 0 points1 point2 points  (6 children)
Semantics is the last refuge of the fuckass
[–]copsarebastards anarcho-communist 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Yes it's semantics, semantics is important. semantics is meaning. Racism means something different than prejudice, sociologically.
[–]35skadoo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Semantics is important
No it isn't. Lived reality is. A black dude blowing a white guy's brains out because of skin tone is not somehow more moral and justifiable than the reverse situation. At the end of the day it's just death.
I know what you're getting at and all, I just don't care anymore. I'm past that. At the end of the day it amounts to an excuse. It's people who would act exactly like their oppressors if they were in power trying to come up with an intellectual defense of it before the fact.
There's a reason the original Black Panther party has denounced NBPP.
[–]rleanor_eoosevelt anarcho-communist 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
but if you want to have a conversation about this shit which is rooted in sociology, you're going to have to differentiate the two terms.
[–]35skadoo -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
I'd rather have a conversation rooted in the real world and not abstract bullshit that, while fun to think about, has little to no bearing on actual physical reality.
[–]rleanor_eoosevelt anarcho-communist 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
so if we were talking art, it'd be cool for me to constantly confuse monet and banksy?
[–]35skadoo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
This would be more like you looking at one painting and then trying in vain to convince people that there's actually two paintings.
Yeah no. There's one painting and you should get your eyes checked.
[–]originalpoopinbutt 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Dude was apparently a supporter of the New Black Panther Party, who are very much racist scumfucks. They hate Jews, they think interracial relationships are wrong, and I know it gets complicated, talking about hate for white people, but they genuinely do say and believe all white people are evil, are genetically inferior, and that killing random white people (not just white cops, white people) is acceptable black-liberation praxis, which is absurd and wrong and racist.
(Notice I'm talking about the New Black Panther Party, who have no affiliation with the original Black Panthers and have been denounced by original Black Panther members, including ones who remained radical all these years, not just the sellouts who grew up and became Democrats.)
[–]tripleyump 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
Apparently.
Btw, it seems Black Lives Matter also don't understand racism since they denounced the shooting. Here's some random site I've never heard about before covering it, but there are more if you're looking for better sources.
[–]theSpectacularSelver- *\/\=~-~...._^_ | +_^_+ | _^_....~-~=/\/* 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
I don't see where they called the action racist? That was why you don't understand it, not because you're against the shooting.
[–]tripleyump -5 points-4 points-3 points  (4 children)
Didn't say they did, I said they denounced the shooting too. Explain how it's not racist to say "I want to kill <race> [...]", whatever comes after that is quite irrelevant, and whichever race that is is also irrelevant.
This guy isn't fighting the police, not fighting oppression of poc. He's killing people because they're white and targets cops because he happens to like them even less.
[–]MrGrumpet vegan anarchist- total liberation 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
Mate, racism means someone believes their race is inherently superior to another. That is nowhere evident in this case.
[–]tripleyump comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (2 children)
Nah, dude just hates blacks whites and thinks he should be allowed to kill them at random. Just happened to be cops this time.
[–]learntouseapostrophe anarcho-communist 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
you're right. antifa is literally as bad as fascists. jews who resisted nazis are literally as bad as those nazis. if i break into your house and start trying to hurt you if you resist you're literally as bad as I am
shit doesn't work like that.
[–]tripleyump -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
you're right. antifa is literally as bad as fascists. jews who resisted nazis are literally as bad as those nazis. if i break into your house and start trying to hurt you if you resist you're literally as bad as I am
Spot on, exactly what I was saying!!! Wait...
shit doesn't work like that.
[–]Dysnomi 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It seems like the lot of you are.
[–]Voltairinede 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
lol.
Kill Whitey
[–]Dysnomi 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Tbh this sounds like the MSM/Police is taking advantage of this tragedy/manufactured this tragedy to push their race war narrative.
Police lie. How do you all not get this yet?
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