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[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

Since we're having a UKIP leadership election where he will likely be one of the candidates, just thought I'd share this classic article from him.

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian Centrist [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

Did you post this in support of him, or against him? I'm not sure...

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

Support

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian Centrist [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

Do you really believe political correctness is an international conspiracy of jews?

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

No, cultural Marxists. Not specifically Jews.

[–]xNuckingFutz☭ Marxist-Leninist ☭ [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

[–]InlogoraccountanEnglish Libertarian - I do shitpost [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What's wrong with either side of that poster? People should have the freedom to conform or not whilst it doesn't impose on others.

[–]IdeaTardia-8.75 / -7.69 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well yeah man, it's neo-Nazi propaganda, if you go into it with a tolerant open-minded stance it's not going to make much sense.

[–]InlogoraccountanEnglish Libertarian - I do shitpost [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If it looks and quacks like a duck it may just be a decoy.

This idea that if you are against what represents CM then you are pushing Nazi ideology is tired now. I'm sure that a natural or logical response to the BS that is being peddled by identity politics happened within Germany, that doesn't make it exclusively a Nazi policy.

[–]mothermilk [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

God damn cultural Marxists and their conspiracy to stop me from using casually racist remarks to describe people of different ethnic origins!

Or alternatively how about we just accept perhaps making rudeness not socially acceptable has slightly improved things.

[–]InlogoraccountanEnglish Libertarian - I do shitpost [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I support individualism whilst it doesn't impose on other peoples lives. Writing rules that restrict language and public space are not healthy though.

[–]Mashulace [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

whilst it doesn't impose on other peoples lives

So if it negatively impacts on peoples lives, as with (say) racial abuse?

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Wasn't fear of rudeness that led to the left wing cover up of thousands of children being raped by Pakistani Muslims in Rotherham

[–]summitorother [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Thousands is an exaggeration and the perpetrators are now in prison, but that doesn't fit the hateful narrative you're trying to convey.

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

You honestly think they're all in prison? Don't be naive

[–]summitorother [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Did I say all? I know 1 or 2 fled the country to escape justice, but that's got nothing to do with your political correctness boogieman paranoid bullshit.

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian Centrist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Who are these cultural marxists?

[–]IMVERYWELLHUNGIf you wanna stay in the EU move to Ireland [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He's fabulous

[–]redleftredSouth Essex is the best place in the UK. [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

He would be a great leader but I prefer Steven Woolfe for the moment.

[–]NotesByANorthWestLad48%er. Prefer a Tory Remainer to a Corbynite [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Nuttall is a scouse Boris Johnson. A bumbling, clumsy oaf that appeals to certain demographics, can appear harmless but is actually pretty slimey and would not make a good leader.

[–]redleftredSouth Essex is the best place in the UK. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I disagree

[–]bca123 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Been posted here a lot recently, but with Paul 'Nutcase' Nuttall around it will always be relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HMhWB95ldQ

[–]TheDeadlySaulSocial-Democrat [スコア非表示]  (59子コメント)

Bloody hell, he is a fucking loon.

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (57子コメント)

He's right though

[–]DukePPUk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's nonsense because "the Marxists" aren't in power. Let's take the examples he gives of "Cultural Marxism":

The same political correctness that prevented police from doing anything about Pakistani men using underage girls in Rotherham as sex slaves...

That wasn't the reason that turned up in all the reports. It was police corruption and incompetence.

That ensures that in some prisons inmates are referred to as "service users"

Erm... right. Looking this up it seems that "service users" is a term used to refer to anyone involved in the criminal justice system.

That says we shouldn't mention "Christmas" in case it offends other faiths.

Hah, that's a good one. Except it doesn't happen.

It ensures that we don't complain when we're unwittingly given halal meat

We're supposed to complain? And the people who would complain don't?

... or when frisked at an airport like a suspected terrorist, even though it's bloody obvious you're not.

This is probably the best one. Suggesting that it is "bloody obvious" what a terrorist looks like. Presumably that's code for "white people aren't terrorists" or something.

It's all nonsense.

[–]TheDeadlySaulSocial-Democrat [スコア非表示]  (46子コメント)

Not really, it is just a weird conspiracy theory.

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Conspiracy theories aren't always false.

[–]TheDeadlySaulSocial-Democrat [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Do you actually think that there are a group of elites trying to control the media with leftist propaganda?

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Yes

[–]TheDeadlySaulSocial-Democrat [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I'm sure Murdoch would disagree with you. Plus where is your proof?

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

History. Literally look at the podcast above you.

Marxists professors essentially indoctrinated a generation of media handlers, who crafted the world we live in today in terms of media output.

[–]Mashulace [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

And yet we end up with such bastions of journalism as The Mail and The Express. Jesus, at least pick a conspiracy theory that doesn't look like bullshit after 5 seconds looking at a newspaper stand.

[–]IMVERYWELLHUNGIf you wanna stay in the EU move to Ireland [スコア非表示]  (33子コメント)

The Frankfurt School was a thing

[–]TheDeadlySaulSocial-Democrat [スコア非表示]  (32子コメント)

Did these people ever have legitimate power?

[–]Odds-Bodkins [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Maybe you're being rhetorical, but I reckon you don't need me to tell you the answer is no.

They were essentially doing political philosophy by trying to analyse culture and history, as a reaction to Nazism. They were broadly socialist.

If anything they're taught as a kind of example of a failed project. It is true, in my experience, that academics tend to be more left wing than the general public. But the reasons for that (if it's even true) will be complicated, and have nothing to do with the Frankfurt School.

Incidentally, the Frankfurt School were mostly Jewish and the "cultural marxism" conspiracy theory has been embraced by various members of the American far right. It was cited by Anders Breivik before he massacred 77 people and injured hundreds more.

[–]IMVERYWELLHUNGIf you wanna stay in the EU move to Ireland [スコア非表示]  (29子コメント)

They were theorists, mostly German Jews who moved to New York during the war. Their works are widely influential in the social sciences

[–]TheDeadlySaulSocial-Democrat [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

Not the Jews! Bloody hell man, considering most of our media in this UK is pretty right wing and that Marxism isn't really that popular then I think it is pretty false.

[–]IMVERYWELLHUNGIf you wanna stay in the EU move to Ireland [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

If cultural Marxism is a myth then how come most of their ideas of have mainstreamed on the right and the left?

I'm not blaming the Jews, I'm just saying who the founders were. Look up Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, Ernst Bloch, Herbert Marcuse..

[–]TheDeadlySaulSocial-Democrat [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Like what?

[–]IMVERYWELLHUNGIf you wanna stay in the EU move to Ireland [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Since culture is considered the primary factor which sustain inequalities, Cultural Marxism is opposed to other explanations for inequalities such as religious explanations, individual choices, or genetic factors.

Unlike Classical Marxist thought which primarily focuses on economic inequalities and economic classes, Cultural Marxism see culture as a main cause for many different kinds of inequalities:

  • Race (Whites/non-Whites)

  • Culture (Western/non-Western)

  • Family (nuclear family/non-nuclear family)

  • Religion (Christianity/atheism and religious minorities)

  • Gender (men/women)

  • Sexual orientation (heterosexual/LGBT)

Cultural Marxism places great emphasis on analyzing, controlling, and changing the popular culture, the popular discourse, the mass media, and the language itself. Seeing culture as often having more or less subconscious influences on people which create and sustain inequalities, Cultural Marxists themselves often try to remove these inequalities by more or less subtle manipulation and censorship of culture.

A term describing such censorship is political correctness where all views on equality that disagree with the Cultural Marxist view are avoided, censored, and punished.

Related to Cultural Marxism are various forms of relativism/subjectivism and denial of the existence of objective knowledge.

The phrase "The long march through the institutions of power" refers to Cultural Marxists slowly taking over key positions in the institutions controlling culture in order to create a new culture. In effect this will create revolutionary changes without having to resort to political violence. It also reflects a worldview where Cultural Marxists view themselves as infiltrators and subversives. (The phrase is often attributed to Antonio Gramsci but was instead coined by another Cultural Marxist (Rudi Dutschke) who was influenced by Gramsci's ideas.)

[–]Mashulace [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

that ideas you may not like have become mainstream isn't some evidence of conspiracy. The social sciences and our understanding thereof have developed almost entirely in the timeframe of what you call "cultural marxism", it's only natural that perspectives would shift with new information.

I suppose it's natural to blame the jews when you're using barely-relabelled Nazi propaganda. Tell me more about this cultural bolshevism, mein fuhrer!

[–]IMVERYWELLHUNGIf you wanna stay in the EU move to Ireland [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

that ideas you may not like have become mainstream isn't some evidence of conspiracy. The social sciences and our understanding thereof have developed almost entirely in the timeframe of what you call "cultural marxism", it's only natural that perspectives would shift with new information.

So what you're saying is that what I call cultural Marxism and you call changing perspectives is real.

I suppose it's natural to blame the jews when you're using barely-relabelled Nazi propaganda. Tell me more about this cultural bolshevism, mein fuhrer!

Fuck you and fuck Nazis. I'm not blaming the Jewish people as a whole, I was just saying who the "founding fathers" of the movement were.

[–]20quidThe Party of Beveridge and Keynes [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

He want an end to political correctness? Ok.

What a colossal knob.

Was that politically incorrect enough for him?

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I don't think he cares mate

[–]Drexl25-7.63, -6.0 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

He may care when he doesn't become leader, or if he does, he may care when UKIP performs worse at the next election than the last, and slide into irrelevancy

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yep, just like they slid into irrelevancy after the General election

[–]Drexl25-7.63, -6.0 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think anyone predicted that seeing as we had the EU referendum on the way. Now we've voted out, and Farage is gone, we'll see

[–]lithaborn-7.13, -7.38. I'm Gandhi or something. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They did. Farage didn't. There's a difference.

[–]lithaborn-7.13, -7.38. I'm Gandhi or something. [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Third paragraph:

Many felt the revolution would spread to Western Europe to countries such as France and Germany. Thank God it didn't.

So we imagined the Berlin Airlift, the Wall and 40 years of division. Right.

Well, I'm definitely going to trust the rest of what he says.

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That wasn't a spread of the revolution, it was an invasion from Russia.

See the difference?

[–]lithaborn-7.13, -7.38. I'm Gandhi or something. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You don't actually know anything about 20th century Russian communism, do you?

[–]sulod52% [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As much as I agree with him, it's sometimes best to hide your power level.

[–]summitorother [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

How are we supposed to take him seriously when he admits he can't even operate a self-service checkout?

[–]100basepairs [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Man, at times those things just don't scan.

[–]summitorother [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It happens, but most of the time a self-service is quicker than a manned till.

[–]ComradeSomoBased Nige [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Maybe he, like myself, does not wish to further empower Skynet and in so doing doom mankind.

[–]summitorother [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is true that we don't want it getting used to giving orders to humans. It starts with move the unexpected item and ends with the destruction of the human race.

[–]Odds-Bodkins [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

tbh I get anxious when I get sent to the human checkout now, so I don't know what's worse.

[–]summitorother [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You need to desensitise yourself by putting googly eyes on the automatic ones.

[–]lazerbulletWatermelon; limes and mangoes welcome 🌍 ☮ 🌻 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Christ, this bollocks has really gone mainstream, hasn't it?

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Bollocks? Cultural Marxism is real.

[–]BrichalsIn space we touch; in time we part [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

There was an 'In Our Time' podcast about it (actually I think it was about the Frankfurt School), and it certainly wasn't presented as a conspiracy theory. Basically it was presented as a backlash from left wing pressure groups that couldn't cope with the fact that people still voted against them even after the Nazis.

Their ideal world never materialised, and they blamed that on the ignorant and racist and homogenous electorate. Funny eh?

[–]PabloPeubloWe did it![S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Got a link to that podcast?

[–]BrichalsIn space we touch; in time we part [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This should work, or it is still to be found on iTunes etc. called 'The Frankfurt School'.

Melvyn Bragg and guests Raymond Geuss, Esther Leslie and Jonathan Rée discuss the Frankfurt School.This group of influential left-wing German thinkers set out, in the wake of Germany's defeat in the First World War, to investigate why their country had not had a revolution, despite the apparently revolutionary conditions that spread through Germany in the wake of the 1918 Armistice. To find out why the German workers had not flocked to the Red Flag, Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, Walter Benjamin and others came together around an Institute set up at Frankfurt University and began to focus their critical attention not on the economy, but on culture, asking how it affected people's political outlook and activities. But then, with the rise of the Nazis, they found themselves fleeing to 1940s California. There, their disenchantment with American popular culture combined with their experiences of the turmoil of the interwar years to produce their distinctive, pessimistic worldview. With the defeat of Nazism, they returned to Germany to try to make sense of the route their native country had taken into darkness. In the 1960s, the Frankfurt School's argument - that most of culture helps to keep its audience compliant with capitalism - had an explosive impact. Arguably, it remains influential today.Raymond Geuss is a professor in the Faculty of Philosophy at the University of Cambridge; Esther Leslie is Professor in Political Aesthetics at Birkbeck College, University of London; Jonathan Rée is a freelance historian and philosopher, currently Visiting Professor at Roehampton University and at the Royal College of Art.

[–]Jammi24Confused lefty, -1.38, -6.46 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't know what I found more entertaining tbh, either the random tangent where he criticises anti-war Vietnam protesters or his "think of the children" moment