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[–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 143 points144 points145 points x3 (329 children)
African-Americans make up 13% of the population yet commit 50% of all murders in the United States, and nearly 50% of all other violent crime.
That is why some police are suspicious of you. There I said it. If African-Americans want to have better relations with police, the community as a whole needs to seriously take a look at itself and behave in a different way.

Edit: linking these two documents here, because some people accused me of lying regarding violent crime statistics:
[–]JiffSmoothest 220 points221 points222 points  (27 children)
If African-Americans want to have better relations with police, the community as a whole needs to seriously take a look at itself and behave in a different way.
Lol. I'll make sure to put that on the agenda for our next National Negro Community meeting.
[–]Porzingoose 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
diffusion of responsibility.
[–]On3_BadAssassin 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I get that it's kinda funny to joke about, but OP isn't kidding.
The problem is either that you are unsure of how to begin helping others make a change, or too afraid to do so.
[–]UhOhOreo2012 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
I'm not throwing a bone into this fight but you are aware of the NAACP and the role it plays nationally right? What you're satirizing is an actual thing
[–]krucen [score hidden]  (0 children)
What you're satirizing is an actual thing
No it isn't. The NAACP is not the black community of 40 million nor does it set the agenda for those 40 million.
Sharing the same skin color means just that, it doesn't mean black person X is responsible for black person Y.
[–]caesar15 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
The NAACP is still a thing.
[–]santaclaus73 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
And that's EXACTLY the problem. There is no sense of a strong, uplifting community in a lot of black neighborhoods.
[–]kretcroc 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Is that a thing common in many communities of any race? I'm white and lived in several neighborhoods and never noticed such a thing.
[–]Anal_Vacuum [score hidden]  (1 child)
Couple people I know meet behind a 7/11. I don't know what they do, but I assume they're discussing how to further advance their society
[–]blooperreddituk [score hidden]  (0 children)
I heard my parents say it was something to do with dogs? Walking their dogs? Petting their dogs?
[–]PeakOfTheBellCurve -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
I understand it's sarcasm, but there are things individuals can do. Single motherhood and criminality are connected, there needs to be a cultural shift in the black community about raising children. There needs to be social shaming for dead beat dads. There needs to be social shaming for not using contraception. We're not saying there needs to be meetings, but there needs to be attitude changes towards these things.
I can tell you that in the white community I grew up in there was massive social pressure to not have children before marriage.
[–]huxtiblejones [score hidden]  (0 children)
Everything you're describing is associated with poverty, not just race. I've seen plenty of absent fathers who are white or latino, plenty of men dip out on their families who aren't black, plenty of non-blacks get strangers pregnant and don't use contraception.
Culture will never change until economics change, and there are very few politicians who consider poor people important in their policies.
[–]RedMikeYawn 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Well, maybe you should?
[–]alluringlion 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Joking about legitimate points isn't helping either
[–]Frontporchnigga [score hidden]  (0 children)
I'll bring it up at my next crip barbecue.
[–]MrSups 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Get the Black Crusaders on that. Or did they disband when Cosbey fell from grace?
[–]rczero311 comment score below threshold-47 points-46 points-45 points  (8 children)
No shit. What a fucking clown.
[–]Reck_yo 33 points34 points35 points  (7 children)
So you don't think #blacklivesmatter is a national black community making waves?
Just think if they'd stress the importance of being a good citizen instead of spewing racist bullshit.
[–]BendAndSnap- 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
Or shooting innocent cops
[–]Moyazu comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points  (3 children)
Because the people commiting violent crimes care what BLM has to say.
Some people are so sheltered...
[–]BendAndSnap- 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
They ARE blm...
[–]Trelifaxx1640 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
The people committing violent crimes MAKE UP BLM. That's not to say anyone who supports BLM is a criminal, but there is a common thread.
edit: a word
[–]erty3125 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
people need to understand this, BLM is not organized, it gives a shield to deflect things onto all black people instead of just them because BLM openly says they are disorganized
[–]d3sertion comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (1 child)
Do you really think that black people all get together and take votes on what other black people can and can't do? Do the KKK and and Neo Nazis consult some national white community before doing shit?
[–]santaclaus73 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
After seeing how a lot of them dress...yea it certainly seems like it.
[–]MiiaDakimakura -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
This is the best comment I have read on reddit in a long time.
[–]ZebraBrainLunchbox 36 points37 points38 points  (12 children)
That's a lovely sentiment and will obviously get you upvoted into the clouds by reddit's largely 20-something white middle to upper-class demographic, but perhaps consider there might be other factors involved besides skin color.
Like, maybe that crime goes hand in hand with poverty, lack of access to education and social services, and families with a criminal history and maybe think about all of the things that have happened to African Americans in the past few decades that mean that while they are only 13% of the population they represent far larger percentages of the POOR population and the UNEDUCATED population and the population whose parents are criminals.
I mean, we spent decades upon decades pushing these people into the dark corners of our communities and then throwing shit on them, and now we get to turn around and say "Oh my God look at your community, it's practically covered in shit!"
If you want to know what people are talking about when they talk about white privilege, this is it. The black community is the way it is largely because the white people in power in this country made sure it stayed that way for a very long time. But oh - now it's totally their responsibility to "take a look at itself" because it's definitely completely their responsibility and not anyone else's.
Like why can't we ALL take a look at their community and do something to fix the situation? Why can't we accept that maybe our social structures and policies of the past 250 years made this mess and perhaps we should all cooperate to clean it up?
Like... you know - more access to education, social services, healthcare, nutrition, affordable housing, etc. and oh maybe also stop fucking randomly murdering them in the street like wild dogs.
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    [–]puddingccake -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    How can you possibly make that judgment? All things are not equal and never have been in this country.
    [–]Thrallmemayb 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Edited because I misspoke
    [–]whatevermansure -5 points-4 points-3 points  (2 children)
    I grew up poor and I'm not out shooting people. it's not an economic problem. it's a cultural and attitude problem
    [–]arbearokc 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Nice anecdote.
    [–]Rotaryknight 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    its ALWAYS an economic problem. IN every country in the world, the poor is always fitted to crime.
    [–]PeakOfTheBellCurve 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Why are there more broken families now than there were during the 60s?
    [–]Deeceed_ 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    War on Drugs and divorce becoming more socially acceptable
    [–]2011StateChamps -5 points-4 points-3 points  (1 child)
    Your stupid. I'm grew up in a poor Hispanic neighborhood and crime was a thing but very little. In the black neighborhoods, crime was RAMPANT. It's a cultural things. Blacks glorify sex, drugs, gangs, murders, and crime. It's needs to be addressed. Go back to the BLMs March.
    [–]chubbyurma [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Yep. There's no crime in the poorer parts of Mexico. None at all.
    [–]TheZombieJC 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    For people to stop gang violence in their community, calling the police has to be a viable option. Not all police are bad, but when it appears the number of killings done by cops is rising, it's difficult for people to trust the police.
    Yes, some police are targeting black people for the reasons you mentioned, but, conversely, if the police want to have a better relationship with the black community, they need to give the black community a reason to trust them. Plus, police are a clearly organized government organization. For the average person, police reform is a lot more realistic than getting gangs with nebulous structures to listen to you.
    [–]snstrsnctyslckr 16 points17 points18 points  (19 children)
    I think you'd find a stronger correlation if instead of race as your variable you used socioeconomic status.
    [–]Herdo 8 points9 points10 points  (11 children)
    Right, because poor Asian communities streets are filled with murders, rapes, drugs, and gang violence.
    [–]Bobby_Marks2 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
    Couple of things I can think of to explain that:
    • Change in socioeconomic status. African Americans are in increasing poverty, suggesting loss of jobs and economic opportunity.
    • Cultural differences. Asian communities are largely familial, i.e. multiple generations of adults living together as a single family unit. It makes them more economically resilient, and leads to tighter communities where crime could be more likely to go unreported.
    • History of socioeconomic conditions. A lack of education takes decades to fester as increases in poverty and crime. It can take multiple generations for a population to get truly stuck in a self-defeating cycle of poor educations.
    • Institutional or systemic racism unfairly targeting blacks. Historically, Asian-Americans have populated the west coast, a place known for being far more progressive in some respects than the East. That isn't to say racism has never targeted Asians or Asian-Americans, but that a longer history of legislation in more regions against African-Americans specifically could also result in disproportionate targeting of the latter group.
    I mean, makes more sense than blaming someone's tan.
    [–]Disingenuous_ 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    Do you think differences in melanin are the only thing separating the races?
    [–]Bobby_Marks2 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    There are lots of differences. None of them have been found (through legitimate scientific research) to make a meaningful difference in how we think or act or succeed in a mixed population.
    And before you say MAO-A or Warrior Gene, please note that correlation is not causation, and that MAO-A also correlates with higher rates of depression (even though African Americans experience major depressive disorders at a lower rate than White Americans), higher rates of Bipolar Disorder (again African Americans are not diagnosed at a higher rate than Whites), and higher rates of ADHD (similar rates among all races).
    [–]DrollerCoaster [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Way to preempt counter-arguments. It's like playing racist bingo here tonight.
    [–]spru2 11 points12 points13 points  (5 children)
    They are, you idiot. I know you like to use your "model minority" as a way to shit on black people, but asian ghettos are just as shitty as black ghettos. It's not race.
    [–]Thrallmemayb 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
    What are you talking about? I grew up in poor hispanic areas my whole life and never saw anything close to the kind of shit that goes on in Detroit or Ferguson
    [–]OremLK 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Your impression of "the kind of shit that goes on in Detroit or Ferguson" is likely massively overblown by the way media coverage functions in this country.
    [–]Broker-Dealer 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    Uh example of an asian ghetto in the US please?
    [–]spru2 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
    Literally any china town subdistrtict in a major city.
    [–]UGotAutism -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Just some inconvenient facts.
    [–]neversayalways 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Exactly this.
    [–]ColdBrewIrishCoffee 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    That's why we've got to build that border wall.
    [–]ColdBrewIrishCoffee -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    Well we can't do that or else Trumps assertion of the incredibly poor Mexican illegal aliens being prone to crime and violence would be......
    ::clutches problem glasses::
    EXACTLY FUCKING RIGHT.
    [–]Angeldust01 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Why doesn't he say so then? Also, why is his plan to build expensive wall to the border when huge majority of illegal aliens just overstay their visas? How's that gonna help anything?
    [–]john2e 42 points43 points44 points  (18 children)
    That would require personal responsibility. Not going to happen
    [–]ayyy__1mao 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
    Holding individual people responsible for the actions of other members of a group they belong to is not personal responsibility.
    If that were the case, then I guess the officers who were killed today, who had nothing to do with yesterday's shootings, were just being held accountable for their personal responsibility for those two black mens' deaths.
    [–]gregzillaf [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Individual responsibility means if you commit a crime and get shot in the process, its your own fault for committing the crime. You were shot because of the crime, not 'targeted because of being black'. Yet people see a black guy get shot, and immediately bring race into the picture. White people get shot too, the difference is in the amount of crime perpetrated.
    [–]ayyy__1mao [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Direct quote from the original comment in this thread, which prompted the individual responsibility comment that I responded to:
    If African-Americans want to have better relations with police, the community as a whole needs to seriously take a look at itself and behave in a different way.
    That is not individual responsibility. That is holding individuals responsible for the actions of other people.
    [–]spru2 comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (12 children)
    "Black people have no personal responsibility"
    -you
    Totally not a racist though, are ya?
    [–]ily400 8 points9 points10 points  (8 children)
    And you love to ignore facts, when inconvenient. Fucking moron.
    [–]MiiaDakimakura -5 points-4 points-3 points  (7 children)
    Facts like one person doesn't represent an entire group because they share one characteristic?
    Let me guess, you wouldn't hire a black person, but think affirmative action shouldn't exist. You also don't see the hypocrisy in this. You also aren't quite sure what hypocrisy means.
    [–]Giggitygiggityya 6 points7 points8 points  (6 children)
    Affirmative action basically says, skin color is more important than qualifications, but want to be treated equally and ignore skin color. Counter productive much?
    [–]hellofrankzappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Affirmative action tries to address the fact that, since people were denied fair payment for their work and actively excluded from decent schools based on the color of their skin for over two hundred years, the playing field isn't magically evened out as soon as those people are integrated into society.
    [–]MiiaDakimakura -6 points-5 points-4 points  (4 children)
    I'm not a huge fan of it myself, but I don't consider myself racist. When someone makes a racist statement and is against it, that is hypocrisy because they are showing they aren't going to hire a black person, but they think black people don't need help. I'm guessing you fall into the group of not knowing what hypocrisy is.
    [–]StrongStyleSavior -4 points-3 points-2 points  (3 children)
    Racism has to do with permanent power structures using systems to discriminate based on race. You are taking about personal prejudices.
    [–]MiiaDakimakura 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    rac·ism
    ˈrāˌsizəm/
    noun
    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
    Racism has to do with permanent power structures using systems to discriminate based on race
    You are wrong! Congratulations!
    [–]StrongStyleSavior 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Sorry but that isn't the definition of racism used in academic discussion whether you wanna be a smarmy fuck about it or not.
    [–]BlackLivesMattered [score hidden]  (1 child)
    I've yet to see any kind of personal responsibility. But I've seen literally thousands say, "wasn't me officer." Watch any episode of COPS some time. Fucking shameful. A smart person would be embarrassed. But that implies having a sense of shame.
    [–]blindsdog [score hidden]  (0 children)
    It's amazing the racists that come out of the woodworks after stuff like this. Ready to indict an entire race as having no personal responsibility based off what he sees on Cops. He's seen literally thousands, guys.
    [–]heygost 4 points5 points6 points  (8 children)
    Finally someone had the balls to say it. Nothing will get better until both parties admit there needs to be change with themselves. Both the black community and police officers need to change the way things are handled.
    [–]neversayalways -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
    What the fuck is "the black community"? Why don't you attend their next meeting and have it added to the agenda? They're just people and the reason they commit more crime is that they're poor. And they're poor because they're oppressed. And then the criminal justice system encourages a vicious cycle to ensure the status quo is never broken. These aren't opinions, they're the facts of how things are.
    [–]santaclaus73 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Perpetuating the victim mentality which keeps the black community segregated from the rest of society.
    [–]d3sertion -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    So when the "white community" widely disavows your line of thinking, why don't you accept that and change your ways? Isn't that how it works? You just do whatever the majority of people with the same skin color of you think you should?
    [–]NostalgiaZombie 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Poor black people and middle class black people commit more crime than their economic peers from other races.
    It's cultural.
    [–]StrongStyleSavior -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
    Reddit is totally left wing guys.
    [–]NostalgiaZombie 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yep facts have political affiliations.
    I remember when liberal meant you reasoned with facts.
    [–]santaclaus73 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
    Exactly. There's problems on both sides of the fence.
    [–]yousickfucker 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
    Nothing says "don't be violent" better than threatening an entire race of people with ongoing violence if they don't behave.
    [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
    How thick are you? It's not a threat it is an identification of what is the actual root cause of the issue.
    [–]arbearokc 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    How thick are you? It's not the actual root cause of the problem—the actual root cause is systemic discrimination that's been happening for literal centuries. Maybe learn some history some time, fuckwit.
    [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
    Yep...Asians and Indians are given nothing in this country and function fine, but it is all a huge conspiracy against black people by the white man, despite the fact that just elected a black President, twice.
    [–]Glass_Cupcake 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I think it is more accurate to say it is a minute fraction of that 13 percent committing those crimes. And as for why, ZebraBrainLunchbox explained it better than you ever will.
    [–]MiiaDakimakura 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Men make up 50% of the population but 95% of rapes are done by men. There I said it. If men want to have better relations with women, the community as a whole needs to seriously take a look at itself and behave in a different way.
    [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Is there a "male life matters" movement encouraged by the President, Hillary and Bernie Sanders, that blames women as the root cause of the issues you described above?
    [–]waxcrash -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    How long have you been hanging out at stormfront?
    [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    DOJ/FBI actual crime statistics are not stormfront, nor did I say anything racially disparaging towards black people.
    [–]VACWS 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    And you need to take a look at the underlying causes for why that is
    [–]jmsloderb 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I'm not sure if I'm making sense because I'm getting tired. But isn't that like circular logic or something? You say blacks make up a disproportionate amount of crime so police have a right to be prejudiced against them in response to blacks saying that police target/treat them unfairly (which would artificially raise the percentages you cite). See what I mean? I'm not backing any side but what you're saying doesn't seem like a logical refutation to me.
    [–]akman16 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    M'collectivism
    [–]krucen 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yeah you're right 6,000 murders per year out of a population of 40 million warrants suspicion of the average black person.
    If African-Americans want to have better relations with police, the community as a whole needs to seriously take a look at itself and behave in a different way.
    And it of course reflects on the entire 40 million. By your logic would I be correct in assuming that you're also a fan of 'white guilt'?
    [–]neko_ceko [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Wow, such a brave and rational redditouer
    [–]factsprovider [score hidden]  (0 children)
    And men commit most of the violent crime. Will you be okay with the police deliberately targeting men like you said above?
    [–]hellofrankzappa [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Why do you think that is? Do you think there is something innate about black people that makes them more likely to commit crimes?
    Or do you think they have been systematically disenfranchised and barred from the political process until very recently?
    And do you think that poor white people in depressed neighborhoods have an appreciably lower rate of recidivism?
    [–]rasa2013 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Racism's most basic definition is when you assume every single member of a group is exactly alike.
    It ain't 13% committing 50%. It's less than 4% of 13% (96% of Black people do not commit violent crime, even if you assume every single arrest is a unique person and that every arrest means a crime definitely occurred).
    [–]fifthchevron [score hidden]  (1 child)
    God go away, don't you ever get tired of repeating the same shit over and over without any thought to current social climate or context? Jesus
    [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame [score hidden]  (0 children)
    I am posting statistical facts. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings.
    [–]Fredditorsons [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Maybe you should have tought about that before segregating them into ghettos decades ago and doing everything possible to keep them in the gutter?
    Ever wondered why black people are perfectly integrated in Europe and not in your fucked up country?
    [–]allahfalsegod [score hidden]  (1 child)
    The appropriate response should be "fuck off". People like you are why i'm labeled racist for describing the koran. Next day, keyboard warrior....
    [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Sorry if facts disturb you.
    [–]TogaDown [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Yes, thats the problem but for the rest of us not commiting a single crime having to live in fear because of another persons actions isnt right.
    [–]gameking234 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Seeing racist trash like this upvoted and given gold honestly makes me sick to my stomach. I hope you can look back on your views in a few years when you grow up and are ashamed of some of t he things you have said an thoughts you have had.
    [–]YessumMasa comment score below threshold-71 points-70 points-69 points  (58 children)
    People keep on saying this. You do realize a lot of ghettos and black communities are LITERALLY war zones. Literal war zones. Wtf you expect to happen when you're surrounded by poverty, hate and struggle. You don't know what it means to be black. 50% of crime or not.
    [–]SlamDunx 26 points27 points28 points  (27 children)
    Blacks are LITERALLY the only people in America who've ever been oppressed and poor. Right?
    [–]Budikah -2 points-1 points0 points  (26 children)
    I'm just scrollin' down, but it should be noted that Native Americans/Africans/Blacks have had a special case for their poverty and oppression compared to say... Asians, or the Irish.
    Don't take this to mean that I agree with the guy your arguing with, just an off hand comment.
    [–]UhOhOreo2012 12 points13 points14 points  (25 children)
    Japanese were put in internment camps
    The Irish were subjected to years of mistreatment, especially over Catholicism
    Blacks had slavery and segregation
    Native Americans were mostly a situation dealing with numerous expanding nations coming overseas and meeting heavily scattered uncivilized indigenous people. It's not a modern situation like the above three.
    [–]holyshithockey 5 points6 points7 points  (22 children)
    Irish were slaves too
    [–]cheeba_inu comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (21 children)
    Uh, we didn't get imported over here after being abducted from our homes. Indentured servitude, while awful, didn't work quite the same. In any case, at some point people forgot that we were the wrong kind of white.
    [–]BengBus 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
    Most slaves were sold by other African tribes...
    [–]cheeba_inu -4 points-3 points-2 points  (2 children)
    Yeah but the people in fucking chains didn't put themselves in chains. It's a fucking stupid thing to say.
    "They" did not put "themselves" into slavery. That's not how that shit works.
    Unless you're racist trash and you somehow think that every person with dark skin is part of a hive collective.
    [–]Breidurhundur [score hidden]  (0 children)
    African tribes wanted European weapons and products of craft so they waged wars to capture prisoners and sell them as slaves, since this way they could trade with Europeans. Whites didn't enslave people, they bought people who were already slaves.
    [–]holyshithockey 1 point2 points3 points  (16 children)
    They abducted and exported themselves.
    [–]cheeba_inu -7 points-6 points-5 points  (15 children)
    Have you ever even stopped to think about how dumb that sounds?
    [–]BengBus 6 points7 points8 points  (5 children)
    It's not but have you ever stopped to re-read your comments? They sound pretty dumb.
    [–]holyshithockey 3 points4 points5 points  (8 children)
    Africans sold other Africans into slavery, moron
    [–]Budikah -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
    Native Americans were essentially conquered and made to bow.
    Blacks were brought over solely as slaves.
    Everyone else got mistreated, but the entirety of black history in this country is majorly based on slavery. They aren't the only people to be used as slaves, but they are the most prominently abused here in the US.
    [–]UhOhOreo2012 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    You don't realize two things here. Slavery was prevalent everywhere up until recently. Tribes often sold other tribes into slavery in Africa, where they were then transported to the US or other countries. Warring Indian tribes would often subject the defeated tribe into slavery. People weren't going into Africa and rounding up Africans, they were often buying them from other Africans. The world isn't and hasn't been a cultivated civilized place for years.
    What happened to Native Americans happened to Europeans, Africans, middle eastern people, etc. They're just the most recent group before we as a world started shunning it. The Romans did the same to the celts, the Vikings did the same to scattered Nordic people, etc.
    On top of slavery, there were white slaves and also indentured servitude. Blacks were just the larger group at the time and the easiest group to corral and manage due to numerous factors. It ended up surviving and lasting longer due to this, as well as helping develop a negative racial viewpoint among a good portion of the population.
    A good portion of black history here is based on discrimination but the racial overtones and hate wasn't solely limited to that group and also existed at a similar level among other cultural groups.
    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
    When correcting for socioeconomic status, blacks still commit way more crimes than whites.
    Even if whites are poorer than blacks, they commit less crimes.
    Cops don't even shoot blacks at the rate you'd expect, considering the amount of shootings that black perpetrators commit.
    Furthermore, I'm more likely to be killed by a black than a black is likely to be killed by a cop.

    AllLivesShouldMatter

    [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 40 points41 points42 points  (18 children)
    Yes I do realize a lot of ghettos and black communities are LITERALLY war zones....I also realize there are plenty of Asian communities AND NOT ONE SINGLE ONE in America can be categorized as a "war zone"....the problem is cultural, not racial.
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      [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 12 points13 points14 points  (2 children)
      Are you kidding? Do you know how many BILLIONS of dollars the US has poured into programs for African-American communities? You want to see left behind, why don't you check some of the poor Vietnamese-American communities in southern California...they GET NOTHING and ask for NOTHING, and have no problems functioning within our society.
      [–]Waffles_Anus -13 points-12 points-11 points  (1 child)
      Asians are technically white.
      [–]holyshithockey 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      No they aren't, they're their own race.
      [–]Life_Yukio 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      Ill also add that nobody pushed Drugs and Military grade weapons into our communities either... So that helps.
      [–]TheNeutralGrind 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Facts right here.
      [–]YessumMasa comment score below threshold-40 points-39 points-38 points  (5 children)
      You seem to not realize the severity of the black community's problem. We're talking about blacks... remember? Not Asians not anyone else. Do you see Asians getting pulled over and killed during traffic stops? No. You don't.
      [–]Soncassder 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
      No one is arguing that blacks in the US haven't had a rough history. History is the operative word because it's history. It's time to move on and stop blaming white people for enslaving them in the present context. No white man in the past 7 generations in the US has ever owned a black slave. And in the last 2 generations they have become a protected class of citizen.
      Present day USA is rife with opportunities for black people, so much so that superbly performing white students are having to compete with lesser performing black students in a "holistic" entrance process. There are a plethora of grants, scholarships and favorable financing for black students to the detriment of white students. Black workers are more likely to be promoted over better performing and educated white workers (I've experienced this first hand, thank you very much). Blacks have every advantage that the country can give them while still expecting them to perform at least within certain percentage points of their white and asian counterparts.
      The only thing holding back the black population as a whole is themselves. Their culture is steeped in crime, violence and self-pity.
      [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
      You are 100% correct.
      [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 42 points43 points44 points  (1 child)
      No I don't...I don't see Asians committing crimes at anywhere near the rate that African-American's commit crimes.
      [–]DJFlabberGhastly -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
      We didn't enslave their people either. All this has a history.
      [–]BengBus 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      You're an idiot.
      [–]YessumMasa -33 points-32 points-31 points  (5 children)
      Your argument, and others as well is severely flawed. No one can testify to this harsh treatment other than blacks.
      [–]elesdee 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
      Remember that time we rounded up the Japanese and put them into concentration camps? They seem to be doing ok now.
      [–]nixonrichard 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
      Are blacks allowed to talk about white police officers?
      [–]philhartmonic comment score below threshold-18 points-17 points-16 points  (1 child)
      I dunno, were white police officers systematically oppressed by black men for fuckin centuries?
      [–]nixonrichard 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
      It's like you have a crappy hand in a game of victimization cards against humanity.
      [–]BendAndSnap- 14 points15 points16 points  (4 children)
      I don't see other poor racial groups doing the same
      [–]President___Trump 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
      hispanics are pretty close
      [–]philhartmonic comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (2 children)
      You also don't see any other poor racial minorities that were worked, bred, and traded like livestock in this country for hundreds of years. And sure, formal slavery has been over for a while, followed immediately by reconstruction, segregation, de facto segregation, violent oppression of any attempt at political organization, shit education, and the war on drugs - creating a large pool of poorly educated minimum wage workers with few, if any, alternatives available to them.
      Yeah, it's a little bit fuckin different.
      [–]robswar93 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
      You mean like asians? Or the irish?
      [–]philhartmonic -9 points-8 points-7 points  (0 children)
      Oh you really got me there. Totally comparable.
      [–]DarrenX 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Wtf you expect to happen when you're surrounded by poverty, hate and struggle. You don't know what it means to be black. 50% of crime or not.
      That's true, but I don't think you are understanding what /u/InsideItAllFeelsSame is saying. To a nervous police officer approaching a given situation, it doesn't matter why there's a higher propensity to violence. All he knows is that he's more likely to have a problem with a black person than a white person, which causes him to act more suspicious towards the black person (which, statistically speaking, will wind up in more shootings), which understandably pisses black people off even more... and the cycle continues.
      I don't know the answer, I'm just glad I don't live in the US.
      [–]BengBus 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Being poor doesn't mean you have to be a piece of shit with no morales.
      [–]xitzengyigglz -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
      It's a vicious cycle
      [–]igor_vovchanchyn2 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Blacks will NEVER practice introspection and realize the problem is with their gang and thug culture, which is the REAL source of this problem.
      I could point to you more than 10 articles of black on white crime, where the perpetrators had malicious intent, and it wasn't even ambiguous. But these are not covered or picked up by the media because it doesn't fit their agenda to perpetuate racial tension.
      [–]TSutt 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Absolutely. They make it about race but it has absolutely nothing to do with the color of anyone's skin. It's about priorities set within a sub-culture that only allow a negative feedback loop of desperation & violence. I can't remember the gentleman's name but he was a prominent civil rights activist in the 60s. He referenced a study done in Germany after WWII where children born from White GIs & Black GIs were studied to see if an insight could be made on any differential between IQ, proneness to violence, etc. Everyone scored equally across the board regardless of their heritage. It isn't skin color, it's culture.
      [–]zzaz comment score below threshold-63 points-62 points-61 points  (48 children)
      Let's take a guess...Trump supporter?
      edit: Wow, I triggered these Trumpets hard. Sorry guys, don't let me interrupt you blaming black people for the institutional racism they've been subjected to in our country. Viewing a statistic in a bubble without considering any additional factors and then using that to preach hate against black people is textbook racism.
      [–][deleted]  (12 children)
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        [–]PolaRican 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
        Ad hominem
        [–]bizzybone78 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
        Reality is too painful for you, I surmise.
        [–]Pimp_My_Bride 24 points25 points26 points  (3 children)
        FBI statistics are R A C I S T!
        [–]PUTINsTiTs comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (1 child)
        Using stats to justify your racism is Racist
        [–]steverogres87 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
        I'm voting Johnson so I wouldn't know, but are Trump supporters known for stating facts or something?
        [–]softawre 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
        when does affirmative action end? serious question.
        [–]zzaz -5 points-4 points-3 points  (5 children)
        KiA? Man, they're just coming out of the woodwork now.
        [–]iHeartCandicePatton 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
        What's wrong with KiA and why is that remotely relevant?
        [–]zzaz -6 points-5 points-4 points  (3 children)
        I'm not sure how else you wanted me to respond to 'what a retard'. Did you want a cookie?
        [–]iHeartCandicePatton 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
        Nobody said you had to respond.
        [–]zzaz -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
        I guess I shouldn't have, it's starting to sound like you were referring to yourself.
        [–]the_regressive 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
        "I think murder is OK because of racism"
        [–]BlackLivesMattered [score hidden]  (0 children)
        B-b-but it's systemic!! They'd all be super successful if we would just get of their backs!
        /s
        [–]ThisJokeSucks -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
        It's amazing how sensitive trumpers are, considering how much they like to paint their opposition as easily offended.
        [–]JumpyPorcupine 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        Downvotes come from adding nothing to the conversation. Check the rules.
        [–]keithioapc 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
        Trump supporters who were actually racist wouldn't downvote you for that categorization. Only non-racist trump supporters would downvote for that reason. So you getting downvotes from trump supporters is actually more indicative of them not being racist.
        Personally though I just downvoted you because you were off topic, plus bringing politics into this like that was pretty crass, plus I dislike people who bitch about downvotes.
        [–]zzaz 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        Trump supporters who are actually racist probably don't even realize it. Just like the person I was responding to, they think everything they believe is perfectly reasonable.
        Also, not that it matters at all and not sure why you brought it up, but I wasn't bitching about downvotes, I just edited because I had a post timer from the downvote brigade and couldn't respond to people individually.
        [–]Creep_Jack 0 points1 point2 points  (8 children)
        'I hate racism but I still think it's okay to judge people by political leaning'
        You're a hypocrite and a moron.
        [–]zzaz -1 points0 points1 point  (7 children)
        I judged him by the words he posted.
        [–]Creep_Jack 0 points1 point2 points  (6 children)
        Didn't know statistics and reason are enough to label someone as a trump supporter.
        [–]zzaz -1 points0 points1 point  (5 children)
        Other posters have addressed this extensively. But if you're the sort of person who latches on to this argument, you're probably a racist without realizing it.
        [–]Creep_Jack -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
        Typical liberal argument, 'I know you better than you do, Internet stranger I've shared three posts with'
        Fuck off, kindly
        [–]zzaz [score hidden]  (3 children)
        You could continue to go on thinking "statistics say the blacks are violent", or you could consider for a moment the reason for those statistics. Could it be...maybe it has to do with the way black people have been treated in this country?
        Some food for thought, if you're capable of it.
        [–]Creep_Jack [score hidden]  (2 children)
        Yeah, they're treated like a protected class, given much better social/welfare benefits and free rides to colleges for comparatively worse grades.
        Meanwhile, impoverished whites and asians still commit far fewer crimes than relatively well off black people. Huh, isn't that weird.
        [–]zzaz [score hidden]  (1 child)
        I can see this isn't going to get anywhere. You're blind of the situation faced by people less privileged than yourself. I'll let you have the last word, goodnight.
        [–]As7ro_ -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
        So you're blaming institutional racism on black's committing crimes when they kill their own brothers 10x as much as they kill anybody else? What rock are you living under. Not even a Trump supporter here and I'm downvoting you because you are clueless
        [–]HHHillary [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Have you ever wondered why there seems to be so many black people committing crimes compared to their population? Why our prisons are so full of black people? Like, what is it that caused that to be?
        Are you even aware of how blacks have been treated in the United States and how that treatment has consequences?
        [–]TM3-PO -24 points-23 points-22 points  (0 children)
        And flys a Confederate Flag
        [–]RandomDudeOnReddit -8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
        You know it
        [–]sexualinterpolation 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        There I said it.
        B.R.A.V.E
        [–]Raunchy_Potato 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        This needs to be higher. The black community has had a systemic problem with violence for decades. This is just another example of it.
        [–]away2020 comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points  (5 children)
        So you admit there are reasons behind the death of black males by cops based on race?
        [–]d3m0m4n 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
        And? Pretending race doesn't exist doesn't help and would only end up in more crime
        [–]away2020 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
        In what context? As far as institutionalized racism? If so, good. To start working on the problem is acknowledging it exists in the first place, justified or not.
        [–]d3m0m4n 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
        In the context of a majority of crimes being committed by a certain race.
        [–]away2020 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        And then what? Is your point that the fault lies solely on blacks and not the police?
        [–]ElBomberoLoco comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (0 children)
        Looks like the Klan is handing out gold.
        [–]thebigpink comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (0 children)
        Bunch of BLM groups getting together, of course someone is going to get shot. This isn't the end of it.
        [–]Most_Juan_Ted -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Law abiding citizens no matter the race shouldn't have to fear for their lives just because of their race. Law abiding police officers shouldn't fear for their lives simply because they're police officers. You sound silly.
        [–]plzdontcallmeginger[🍰] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Black people are CONVICTED of 50% of violent crimes. There's a difference.
        [–]spru2 -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
        I called it, stormfront is already pushing their bullshit propaganda.
        [–]Gffcom 0 points1 point2 points  (7 children)
        ^ white guy scared of black people
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
        Nope. Just posting the facts.
        [–]Gffcom 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
        ^ uses statistics to justify his fear
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
        No fear, just counteracting the lies peddled by Obama the race hustler.
        [–]Gffcom -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
        Haha. LOLed IRL. You just destroyed any sound basis you might have had for your arguments. Now your just the guy who thinks racial issues are an Obama plot haha!
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
        Go listen to the press conference he gave today and tell me he isn't racially decisive. He basically told the black America that there is a white judicial conspiracy against them.
        [–]Mobile_Artillery 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Ignore these guys man, some scumbag posted this on SRS so you're probably going to get downvoted and attacked a bit by all the attention needing social rejects who use that sub, but you are right.
        [–]cityterrace -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
        It sucks, but what this guy says is the truth. It's human nature for police to become nervous of black people if so many of them commit murder. Far more men commit violent crime & murder than women. So police are more wary of men than women. But no one accuses the police of being sexist.
        If left-handed people committed 50% of crimes, then the police would be just as suspicious of southpaws. It doesn't mean they hate left-handed people.
        [–]Brocones comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (0 children)
        Fuck you and fuck whoever gave you gold
        [–]AshNazg comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (0 children)
        You act like you're the first person to make these points.
        [–]grass_cutter -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
        Lol yeah just tell gangbangers to knock it off. Why didn't I think of that?
        [–]hobbrito comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
        What an original thought. You are quite the liberator!
        [–]Gffcom -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Small but important correction. African-Americans make up 13% of the population yet are convicted of 50% of all murders in the United States.
        [–]SidTheStoner -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        What do you expect when they have been set up to live like that for years?
        [–]softawre -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        African-Americans
        Black people, you mean? Or do they all hail from Africa? There's no black people that are from Europe?
        [–]ghostChoppa -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
        Cool statistics guy. Where does the other 50% come from? I need this for papering writing. Yea I'm that guy.
        [–]allamingo -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
        Anyone have a link to a source on this information? Just curious.
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
        Department of Justice crime stats
        [–]allamingo 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
        Do you have the actual link/pdf to where you got it? I'm not agreeing/disagreeing, just genuinely curious to see these stats. Not really sure why I got downvoted but I've tried googling but it can only really find statistics about the victims on DoJ's site.
        [–]twoohsixer -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
        White men commit the majority of mass murders. We should take guns away from all the white men. There I said it.
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        That is actually not true. They do not commit a statistically disproportionate number of mass shootings relative the percentage of the country that is made up of white people.
        [–]Rotaryknight -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
        just some more statistics. You got the violent crime rate WRONG Blacks account for 52% of murders last year, whites 45%.
        Violent crime which includes murder, blacks 38%, whites 58%.
        Aggrevated assault blacks 34%, white 63%
        Whites takes the cake on anything that has to do with liquor.
        Blacks have more robberies, but yet whites have larceny thefts
        [–]arbearokc -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
        • Men make up 50% of the population but are responsible for 90.5% of murders.
        • Men make up 50% of the population, but are responsible for 80% of arrests for most crime.
        • Men make up 50% of the population, but are responsible for 88% of violent crime and * 95% of new court commitments for violent offenses.
        • Men make up 50% of the population, but are nine times for likely to be incarcerated.
        • Men make up 50% of the population, but are responsible for 85% of domestic violence cases.
        That is why some women are suspicious of you. There I said it. If men want to have better relations with people, the community as a whole needs to seriously take a look at itself and behave in a different way.
        [–]chiron1500 -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
        Yawn and we would still be in caves if women were the leading gender.
        [–]arbearokc 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Cool opinion, you misogynistic piece of shit. It's hilarious that you're so unsuccessful that you take pride in the accomplishments of white men from centuries—and even eons—ago. You really must have literally nothing going for you.
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Is there a "male life matters" movement ecouraged by the President, Hillary and Bernie Sanders, that blames women as the root cause of the issues you described above?
        [–]ayyy__1mao -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
        So basically, individual black people should be held accountable for the actions of millions of other black people who they don't have any control over.
        That sounds like the same logic that leads someone to shoot four random police officers due to the actions of other officers.
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
        No, not at all. However, leaders of the black community, and other respected figures like the US President should be standing up and telling black Americans some uncomfortable truths, rather than the tired "you are living in a racist country" narrative that they have been riding for the last 30 years (see Obama's speech today for proof of what I am talking about.)
        [–]ayyy__1mao -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Do you really think they're unaware of that truth? The majority of the victims of black crime are also black. They live the reality of black crime every day.
        Holding individuals accountable for the actions of other members of their race is textbook racism. It's no different than hating cops because of the actions of the ones who abuse their power. Which is why these four cops who had nothing to do with yesterday's shootings are dead.
        [–]neversayalways -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
        You're an aashole and an idiot. You can't systematically oppress a people and then blame them for the consequences of it. More blacks are criminals because more blacks are poor. Blacks are poor because they are oppressed. It's that simple.
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        We have scores of Asian and Indian immigrants in this country. We have very few special programs designed to help them in comparison to the billions poured into programs designed to assist black people. Many Asians are dirt poor and live in dirt poor Asian neighborhoods....how come I've never heard of one of these communities described as a "war zone" with scores of people being killed every year? How come all of these poor immigrants are able to live in this country and make successes of themselves?
        [–]hoopdizzle -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
        Being the same race or ethnicity as other people does not make them all part of a "community". If other white people are committing crimes I dont think, "Wow, this is really reflecting poorly on my community, I need to do something". Its not my responsibility, and I dont expect to be lumped together with their behavior just because of my appearance
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Of course not, but what "black lives matter" is doing is they are screaming out against police, corporations, and the 'white establishment' as the cause of these problems.
        What I am suggesting is that their energy would be much more productively served if they turned inwards, and especially if their leaders turned their focus inwards. There are some truths that Pres Obama refuses to address with black people.
        [–]lowfrequencysounds -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
        None of those numbers justify the routine killing of innocent people.
        The fact that you can't comprehend that shows you have a lot to understand about the role race plays in our society.
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
        When did I ever say it justifies it? What I said was there is a reason that some police officers treat African-Americans with suspicion, and it is backed up with DOJ/FBI crime statistics.
        [–]TallWhiteRichMan -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
        so if your black youre a violent criminal who scares this guys
        [–]InsideItAllFeelsSame 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Nope..all I did was provide the actual crime data.
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