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A conspiracy on /r/conspiracy: Does a single moderator of /r/conspiracy openly believe a controlled demolition brought down WTC7? Is this a conspiracy at all? (self.conspiracy)

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We know flytape thinks the Saudis did it, therefore I feel no need to include that moderator in the discussion.

Does anyone want to share their thoughts on WTC7?

*This is not meant as an attack on any moderator in particular. This is meant to understand certain things about those we put our trust in to run this subreddit in a proper manner.

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[–]SovereignMan 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

Does a single moderator of /r/conspiracy openly believe a controlled demolition brought down WTC7?

You (and probably everybody else here) already know from my posting history in /r/911Truth and in this sub that I think the evidence definitely points to a controlled demolition... so I have no idea why you're including me in your list.

I also have no idea why you think it even matters. This sub is about all kinds of conspiracies. Are you also going to hold it against mods if they don't agree with the flat earth theory that has been posted so much lately?

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

I think the evidence definitely points to a controlled demolition

Can you state that clearly? Like this:

"I, /u/sovereignman, believe that controlled demolitions alone, not fires, like NIST claimed, or debris, like others claim, brought down the 7 World Trade Center at 5:21:00 pm EDT on September 11, 2001."

[–]alllie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or at least that a few members of the Bush administration facilitated the attacks on 911.

[–]SovereignMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

believe

No. I'm not going that route. Beliefs are for believers. I'll stick to evidence. I said what I meant and I said it quite clearly. However, I'm willing to go the extra mile and weight it:

The preponderance of evidence points to there being about a 95% certainty that it was a controlled demolition.

And, just for alllie, I can say the same thing (95% certain) about people in high positions in the government being complicit.

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I said it quite clearly.

No you didn't, which is why I asked you to spell it out for us.

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

"I, /u/sovereignman, believe the evidence that controlled demolitions alone, not fires, like NIST claimed, or debris, like others claim, brought down the 7 World Trade Center at 5:21:00 pm EDT on September 11, 2001."

Is that better? Or do you want to keep dodging?

You are a moderator of a sub called 911truth yet you won't say what most 911 truth advocates have no problem saying.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one is required to believe in a conspiracy to be a moderator.

[–]SovereignMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I reiterate:

Beliefs are for believers.

Call it dodging if you want. I don't really care. I'm done playing this game.

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You are a moderator of a sub called 911truth yet you won't say what most 911 truth advocates have no problem saying.

This isn't a game. If it were, you would have been benched long ago.

A moderator of 911truth won't go on record stating that controlled demolitions brought down WTC7.

That's all I needed to know.

[–]SovereignMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

A moderator of 911truth won't go on record stating that controlled demolitions brought down WTC7.

I already went "on record" stating:

The preponderance of evidence points to there being about a 95% certainty that it was a controlled demolition.

so your statement is 95% untrue.

Here's an idea: If you're going to repeat anything about me (or anyone) in this sub, then how about quoting what I actually did say instead of spinning it with wording that implies something that's not true?

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Until you put the words "wtc7" in your statement, you're obfuscating.

A moderator of 911truth won't go on record stating that controlled demolitions brought down WTC7.

Your obfuscation is expected and not surprising.

Edit: I'm shocked you won't say this sentence:

"I, /u/sovereignman, believe the evidence that controlled demolitions alone, not fires, like NIST claimed, or debris, like others claim, brought down the 7 World Trade Center at 5:21:00 pm EDT on September 11, 2001."

[–]SovereignMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah, I had no idea that you wouldn't consider "it" to mean WTC7. You just can't get away from that "believe" garbage, can you?

Thus sayeth I, /u/SovereignMan: The preponderance of evidence points to there being about a 95% certainty that a controlled demolition brought down the 7 World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. The time was at approximately 5:21 PM but I'm unsure if it was daylight savings time or standard time. NIST NCSTAR 1A has conclusively been shown to be fraudulent.

Now, I'm tired of this game. That's as good as you're going to get. The other parts are irrelevant.

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The preponderance of evidence (implying there is evidence to be considered that isn't controlled demolition; can't fully commit I see?) points to there being about a 95% certainty that a controlled demolition brought down the 7 World Trade Center

A mod of /r/911truth won't conclusively state a controlled demolition brought down WTC7.

You just can't get away from that "Official Conspiracy Theory" garbage, no matter how ridiculous it looks that you won't go all in.

Thanks for taking the time to at least engage /u/sovereignman. It's rather telling that this post is at +2 karma with over 46 comments. It's a topic that needs discussion, whether you think so or not.

That's 1 out of 6 mods. I guess I'll have to make posts asking every single mod individually. It would have been so much easier to get it out in the open here, rather than keep asking the same questions and be obfuscated repeatedly.

Edit: words, lots more words

Edit2: You'd probably rather be done with a 911 truth advocate asking a mod of 911 truth what most truth advocates know happened on 911.

We haven't even touched on the controlled demolitions of WTC1 and WTC2 yet.

[–]Putin_loves_cats 7ポイント8ポイント  (17子コメント)

The question is... Does it matter and do we want an echo chamber? I really do not care if the mods believe in what I think is possible about the Flavian's and Christianity, as long as they are cool with me posting it.

What I do care about is whether they are free from their bias in their voluntary job and allow even the most fringe (ie. goes against what they believe/think). I really wouldn't want a mod who believes exactly what we all think. That could end up being a very bad place. The conspiracy theory crowd are all dispersed on many different beliefs/thoughts.

The point is, they need to be neutral and honestly, I do not care what their personal beliefs are as long as they allow open conversation and enforce the rules. Why does it matter if the mods believe the Saudis did it or if it was a Mossad/CIA job? They are not forcing people into a box, we all can discuss what we think (as long as you're not an ass and break the rules) and the mods are behind the screen just moderating.

[–]one23four5six78nine 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

Isn't it kind of a fair question? Wouldnt it be odd if majority of the mods of /r/christianity were athiest? Or if the mods of /r/guns were anti gun? Or if the mods of r/restoretheforth were actually anti 4th amendment or the mods of r/.... you see what I mean?

It's not that any of the mods have to be 9/11 truthers, or building 7 cheerleaders, but it seems to be a fair question to ask where they land on an issue that's kind of fundamental to r/conspiracy.

[–]alllie 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

911 is a litmus test.

[–]sheasie 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

it seems to be a fair question

the only fair question to ask: Are they modding fairly?

[–]Putin_loves_cats 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

This, exactly.

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2kol78/james_corbett_host_of_the_corbett_report_creator/clndesi

Well, here's a few examples.

http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2k7xng/hi_im_richard_gage_founder_of_architects/cliujk0

I asked the mods to erase ALL questions that the fake richard gage answered, and theres still bullshit answers left, 6 months after the fact.

Notice how ridiculous the answer is to the question!!

[–]Putin_loves_cats 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

People fuck up dude.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsH4CrwExCQ.. I've talked with all the mods, they are all people.. We all fuck up.

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

-fake richard gage comment

Imagine the 2 towers after they were hit: there's an upper section and of course the larger, lower section.

As an analogy imagine you are standing with a large bowling ball resting on your head. Your head can support the weight, right? Now imagine that same bowling ball drops 6inches onto your head. can you still resist the bowling ball? Yes of course you can.

What are you defending again? This is disinformation paraded as truth.

[–]Putin_loves_cats -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're saying that a mod actively performed in disinfo. What is your point and proof? I'm not defending any one, but you seem to be cheery picking. People fuck up, realize that. Look at Hitler and the English support in the early days...

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hitler disinformation sidebar during 9.11.14 anniversary.

fake gage ama insures no more 911 ama's from the pros.

I see a pattern.

[–]Putin_loves_cats 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Hitler was a bad Goy ;), but not as bad as the Bush's, Rockefeller and DuPont funding him ;). Naughty, naughty, Hitler should be spanked. Also, lets throw in IBM, Hitler couldn't of gotten the registrars if it wasn't for them. Hitler was a bad goy, but a good man.

[–]alllie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm still pissed about that.

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

People fuck up dude

7 months and no mod has removed all the fake richard gage answers.

That's not a fuck up.

Neither is a mod who knows dick about 911 truth trying (unsuccessfully) to argue fake richard's absurd points.

That's called disinformation.

[–]one23four5six78nine 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you, that is the most important thing. Would you agree this sub is more personal than others? Like mods are more willing to interact and be part of the crowd? I don't think it is unfair to ask them to share their views on what's arguably the biggest of conspiracies.

[–]thefuckingtoe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2kol78/james_corbett_host_of_the_corbett_report_creator/clndesi

You are one of my favorite commenters on this sub. Read those comments with an open mind, considering who is defending whom.

peace and love

[–]Putin_loves_cats 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I get what you are saying, but, if they are not neutral, that leads to censorship. As long as they allow free speech, I'm cool. If flytape thinks the Saudis did it, yet still allows post about the Mossad/CIA connection, I'm cool. Not singling him out, just saying. Maybe he/they could learn something from the free flow of info. This is how ideas are spread and knowledge is learned. As long as they are neutral and allow the free flow of info (if you're not breaking the rules), I'm cool and do not care what they believe in personally. Will I discuss with them and debate? Of course, which is how it should be.

[–]one23four5six78nine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% on board and in agreement with everything you just wrote.

I think (and I'm giving toe the benefit of the doubt) that this post was to open up discussion and hopefully not to have a mod post their view and then attack them for it.

[–]Cptcutter81 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

do we want an echo chamber?

It already is an echo chamber. It's always been an echo chamber. No where in normal society can you make half unsubstantiated claims that get made on here and get even a hundredth as many people agreeing with you. It's simply due to everyone who comes here having a similar critical disposition, so people are more likely to agree.

And there's nothing wrong with that, as long as the sub acknowledges it.

[–]quietthomas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mods are all double agents for cointelpro reverse-counter-insurgents anyways... which means you should trust them whole heartedly as they only tell the truth.... or at least, the truths that the big government jewish banking communists don't want you to know (so basically the legit truth)...

...have I mentioned that you should trust the mods?

[–]LetsHackReality 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mods rock here.

That is all.

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What I know is that WTC7 was in free fall for over 2 seconds. Free fall means that an object is doing nothing at all but falling and accelerating, so it's impossible that any downward "crushing" could've occurred, thus the explanation in the official story is laughable as it is in almost all other respects.

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    [–]one23four5six78nine 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Why does it matter if he asks?

    [–][削除されました]  (5子コメント)

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      [–]one23four5six78nine 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I remember that fiasco. I tried to be neutral because I'm not around here enough to know if it is weird or not that non conspiracy stuff is posted. I don't think it is a huge issue, I think that r/conspiracy is kind of turning into a "hangout" which is a nice thing. It is kind a safe spot for people to just interact on whatever they think is worth talking about, and if the community thinks it's junk they can down vote it.

      I don't think that toe is doing it to be a douche though, I think it's important that members of /conspiracy ought to be as dedicated to finding conspiracies inside our sub as they are to finding them outside of the sub. We'd be naive to think this place is insulated from its own shinanigans. Maybe Toe is doing what he thinks is best, the community might not agree, but it probably isn't best handled by turning it personal. I think that's were everything gets derailed. We as people are very quick to go on the defensive, myself included, when our OC line of conspiracy thought gets holes poked in it and challenged. Maybe just give Toe the benefit of the doubt. We should all just be giving each other the benefit of the doubt, it's a powerful favor we can all do for each other and it will really help original ideas flow freer.

      Thanks for listening.

      Signed,

      Toes alt account.

      Jk

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        [–]thefuckingtoe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He is a hypocrite. He wants control. He is melodramatic and clearly has a hidden agenda.

        I'm all for sharing & being open minded.

        -mae's best of (don't worry about answering unless you say that

        a. wtc 7 came down in a controlled demolition

        b. the fire did it)

        a or b. simple

        You're not a mod, nothing to be scared of. A or B

        [–]one23four5six78nine -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Peace back at you home slice.

        [–]alllie 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

        That Hitler thing encouraged others to think we were Nazis and drew more Nazis to the sub. It wasn't just that Hitler apologist film was posted, it was sticked to the top of /r/conspiracy for a week or more. So mod complicity. And that big bright Hitler graphic was put in the sidebar. More mod complicity.

        [–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Not to defend that action or the video but I actually learned a lot about the rise of hitler from the video. I had no idea about a lot of what that covered. That does not make me a Nazi. Its good to get all perspectives on everything. If it did bring more Nazi's here then good they can join just about every other outcasted ideological group that comes here to discuss conspiracies. Maybe they will learn something and realize that we the peasants are all in this together.

        [–]alllie 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Yes it does make you one.

        [–][deleted] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        so instead we should all ignore that part of history all together.

        [–]thefuckingtoe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Does anyone want to share their thoughts on WTC7?

        I believe you aren't a mod (your name is not on the mod list) yet you also didn't answer the simple question this post is about.

        What are your feelings on WTC7? Share them.

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          [–]thefuckingtoe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I cannot speak to demolitions.

          Why? You aren't a mod, so it isn't a big deal.

          [–]thefuckingtoe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I will take this down if a moderator believes this is attacking their moderation.

          I think we should open up a dialogue.

          [–]HaltNWO -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          A moderator's job is to moderate, not toe the line. Do the rules of reddit or this subreddit state that conspiracies have to be believed? No.