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[–]Mattvisionancap 13 points14 points15 points  (10 children)
Leftists can't be anarchists, because leftist policy can't exist without a government. Just about as contradictory as being against fascism, and attacking everyone who disagrees with you.
These people are the biggest morons on the planet.
[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights -1 points0 points1 point  (9 children)
Holy historical revisionism. Anarchism has always been a left wing movement. The majority of anarchists argue that capitalism can't exist without a state enforcing property laws.
You can disagree with them, but spewing bullshit like you did above isn't going to make any sort of point.
In anarcho-capitalism you guys don't even want to get rid of government, you just want to replace all of it's functions with privately controlled institutions. So you essentially trade government for landowners; who are then empowered to create/enforce/adjudicate laws however they like through private mercenaries/laws/courts. Haha, Hoppe even argues that people don't have the right to free speech on private property.
You're neofeudalists, who have a penchant for respecting anti-democratic movements, promoting monarchism, and associating with people like Hayek - who worked for actual fascists. You have no claim to the term anarchism.
[–]youtubefactsbot 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
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[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
What a well thought out response.
[–]woadhyl 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
The credit should go to adam sandler and tim herlihy. Its like they were thinking of your post when they wrote it.
[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
You put zero thought into a post, linked a worn out video/meme, and did nothing to refute what I was actually talking about - but I'm the stupid one?
Alright champ.
[–]woadhyl 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I never called you stupid, dumb ass.
[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Congrats on this pointless exchange
[–]Mattvisionancap 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
In anarcho-capitalism you guys don't even want to get rid of government, you just want to replace all of it's functions with privately controlled institutions.
Private institutions are voluntary, while government is not. If I could choose which police force I employ to protect my property, I'd choose the one that doesn't constantly extort people and harass minorities. And other police forces would be pressured to follow suit in order to compete. In a way, an AnCap society would be democratic in the sense that we'd vote with our wallets, and the problem of tyranny by the majority is avoided.
So you essentially trade government for landowners; who are then empowered to create/enforce/adjudicate laws however they like through private mercenaries/laws/courts.
Yes, because all of those things do serve their purpose. We're just against these things being initiated through force, which is what government, unlike private institutions, does.
And again, when these things aren't supported by a violent monopoly like government, these people will be pressured by competition and supply/demand forces to not piss off their consumers by abusing these things the way government is able to. Having a "no prostitution" policy makes sense in your restaurant, but if you own a motel, it's going to drive away business.
Haha, Hoppe even argues that people don't have the right to free speech on private property.
Ah, here's where I get to use an example of capitalism in action. Here on Reddit, censorship is rampant as fuck, and everyone is always complaining about content/comments being deleted for shady reasons. Well, Reddit has the right to censor on their own property; guess that means capitalism = nazi, right? Wrong. When censorship here began to cause an uproar, people began flocking to a site called Voat, which upholds a strict free speech policy. The people demanded a site that didn't piss them off with authoritarian censorship policy, and Voat filled that demand. If you don't want to be censored, go to some property where censorship is not upheld, it's that simple.
You're neofeudalists
Feudalism was a form of government, where the serfs were forced to farm, and the monarch was a violent monopoly. They had no choice in king (and no, democracy is not a choice, for the 49%), or lords, or knights, or even the choice to boycott. It was all forced on them, and as a result, the state did not (or at least rarely did) better its treatment of the people because there was no market incentive not to piss them off.
who have a penchant for respecting anti-democratic movements
Democracy is a form of government, is it not? I will admit an alarming amount of ancaps seem to spread it for Trump and Pinochet, but it's not like our endgame is to create a more perfect union. Democracy is mob rule, basically choosing to be lynched by an angry mob over executed by a king. At least there's the possibility that >50% of the mob realizes what they're doing is immoral and stops, but as far as liberty goes, I'd rather not be executed at all.
promoting monarchism
Yes, in our revolution we shall crown a man emperor of Ancapistan, and bow down to his highness' unquestionable rule.
You have no claim to the term anarchism.
The difference between AnCaps and AnComs is that AnCaps believe property can exist without government, while AnComs don't. Thing is though, that property rights can be enforced defensively, just like a person protecting themselves from murder. Leftist policy on the other hand, such as "contribute to my commune, hand over the means of production, don't ever offend someone who isn't a cis white straight male", that requires an entity to actively police society, seeking out violators and coercing them to obey.
[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Private property isn't voluntary, and the person in Ancapistan who doesn't own property is left with the same choice he has now - choose a master. You can pretend that there would be more variety, but history doesn't support that. Feudal society was based on property owners creating law, and it resulted in monarchical rule.
You guys use some absurd redefinition of "force". What you mean is "justifiable force" - you support a landowner enforcing whatever law they see fit, you just don't see government as justified force. It's still force. You claim this will be subject to market pressures, but landowners in the past have written and enforced law - they have been incredibly oppressive. It's why governments are constitutionally restrained now instead of being directed at the landowners whim.
The difference between moving your online presence and moving your physical presence is pretty significant. That said, it doesn't matter that there are other options. You advocate restriction of natural rights at a landowners discretion.
Feudalism was actually a contractual agreement between Lords (landowners) and vassals (rentors) that was dependent on a series of fealties, which were contractual agreements. You guys should actually read what you're talking about here. Feudalism was a government in the same sense that Anarcho-Capitalism is - a private owner creating law and protection services via a series of private contracts. For example, there also existed freemen that weren't contractually vassals to a Lord. It's unsurprising that you don't know history though, its obvious from what you've advocated.
First, "defending property" works both ways. You could be attempting to steal common property in anarcho-communism. That said there's far more to anarchism than anarcho-communism.
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