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The geek identity is fanatical consumerism. (self.Negareddit)

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[–]Futureproofed 14ポイント15ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yeah, no, I pretty much have to totally disagree with this (not even touching the jab at what isn't and isn't art) and I don't really think you know what you're talking about, frankly. On Reddit, maybe, sure; a lot of reddit celebrates passive consumerism. But so many so-called 'geeks' are absolutely not passive consumers at all, but active creators - from analysis, to costuming, to fanworks like art and writing; buying all the stuff with the logo on it is... really a very small part of quite a portion of geeks' identities, if it is a part at all. Of course those people exist... but they're hardly the face of most fandom. Are the people that embrace and transform content, reshaping it and creating from it slavish? Fanatical consumerism? I would rather beg to differ.

Does geek culture, inasmuch as it exists as a consistent thing at all when used as a blanket term for a bunch of different fan nerds put under a large umbrella, have problems? Definitely, oh, yes, definitely. And consumerism can be one of them, depending on the fan and the fandom. Is it the worst or only problem? No... not hardly.

[–]noratat 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

Thank you - most of the self-identified geeks and nerds I knew growing up weren't just passive consumers, they were interested in the creative side as well.

And did the definition of geek/nerd change at some point? I've always associated it with people who had strong interests in a any of a bunch of different things, not just consumer media and games. I grew up with what I would've called a pretty nerdy circle of friends, and most of us pursued careers in our nerdy interests. And those interests ranged from computers to drama and dancing to games to writing.

Like you say, the wider culture around those interests can definitely end up with problems, including consumerism, but I really don't like the implication that it's somehow inherent or that it's only corporate consumerism, when so much of what I've seen runs counter to that.

[–]Futureproofed [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Yeah. I've been a part of several fandoms for years and years - One for nearly twenty, as long as it's been available in my country. Even as a little kid I wanted to create from the media that I connected to - Make a narrative that was mine, shape it the way I wanted to, and then share it with fellow fans - A community. Media took on a life of its own, loosened from its creators, something very vibrant. I would say it was a pretty positive thing for a kid like me to be into, and is still a hugely positive force in my life now. So, I suppose this post just rustled a few of my jimmies because it seemed oblivious to a lot of larger, well-established, and rather old culture.

No, it didn't change, people just like to engage in bickering and hair-splitting over what each term means. Usually 'geek' means a specific interest in something and 'nerd' implies a more STEM-focused interest, but like... they're loose terms. They don't mean one thing.

It's kind of funny. The original post is an odd bit of salty cynicism that, ironically, I find to be rather endemic to Reddit.

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

"Yeah, no," check.

Passive-aggressive quasi politeness masking insults toward OP, check.

Apologism for Redditeur culture, check.

Weak appeal to diversity, "not all geeks", check.

Asking question to oneself that no one else asked, then smugly answering it to pretend to be a college professor, check.

"My country" exotic foreign reference cred-building, check.

"It's kind of funny" attempt to escape sounding upset, check.

Boring-as-hell-and-way-overdone "salty" meme, check.

"Everyone is stupid but me" lamentation at the end, double-check.

Reddit Dot Com

[–]Futureproofed [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

... And the most reddity of all, whining about HOW I wrote the post and twisting it to fit what you want to think I said without actually replying to a single point, instead picking apart phases that rankle your hide for whatever reason and then crying 'dweller!' Like that's the end of the story. That's not a comeback or a debate, it's rank whining.

I don't give a damn what you think, but you and OP both have no idea what you're talking about, and sound remarkably churlish as a result. There - Was that too masked for you?

I'm not upset (but cute attempt to discredit anything I said because it must be an emotional argument that should be immediately discarded), but I am irritated that this is what passes for a discussion.

(As for 'salty', I've been saying it since long before it became a meme, since it's old navy slang, but hey, I guess it's okay to assume I don't know anything but the internet - we're both in this subreddit, after all).

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"I'm not upset"

Bwahahaha

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You even started this one with ellipses.

All you need to do is say "cuck" and that's filling about almost every square of Reddit bingo.

You're a living cliche.

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"I don't give a damn what you think,"

Which is why you won't be able to resist the urge to keep going. Another Reddit cliche square.

[–]ALoudMouthBaby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And did the definition of geek/nerd change at some point?

Yes, big time. If you are over thirty you have probably seen a pretty drastic change in what it means to be a geek.

Starting in the late 90s, early 2000s geekiness started to be associated with wealth, which in turn lead to it being considered to be fashionable/desirable/etc. Bill Gates was kind of an early trend setter, but it really took off with the Google dudes, Sergey Brin, countless other startup millionaires, etc. Geekiness and all the things associated with it went mainstream.

Oh, and the proliferation of cheap consumer electronics. That too.