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[Rival watch] Manchester United: Bailly, Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan, and now Pogba for 120M EUR (Di Marzio) (self.Gunners)

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And Mourinho.

Do you think that this is a good window for them? Who do you think we need to buy to match these 4 players? We can't spent what they can, Jesus, did you see the wages they're paying?! They've also completed all of their business already and will wrap up Pogba after EURO 2016.

I'm sorry mods, if this thread breaks any rules, but every thread in /r/soccer is filled with Liverpool fans saying Klopp will win them the title with Mane and Matip and Gegenpressing, and incredibly salty Juventus fans who believe that their club is the biggest in the world and no way would Pogba even think about leaving, so I thought I'd create a thread just for us Goons to talk about our direct rivals.

Cheers!

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[–]MrBigShot247COYG 26ポイント27ポイント  (12子コメント)

Fucking hell. Wish we had that kind of money to splurge with.

[–]moystard 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not like it's been that successful for the past few years. Shiny new players do not necessarily make a team competitive, especially the first year.

[–]pirateOfTheCaribbeanDat Guy 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Di Maria and Depay were almost £100m down the drain.

[–]BadApplePineapple 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

More like £50m. PSG paid a lot of money around £44m to get Di Maria from United. United bought him for £59m.

[–]awiyum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Depay cost £26m rising to £34m due to add-ons. So more like £30m down the drain.

[–]naryn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes the long wait between May and August more palatable though. But I agree, signing a lot of players rarely improves a team too much, look at Spurs and Liverpool following the sales of Bale / Suarez or United over the last few years

[–]thesanefreakIn Özil we trust 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A man can only hope

[–]opacino [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Utd fan here: But you have that kind of money. You could go out now and spend a 100 M pounds on a player.

[–]moystard -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not like it's been that successful for the past few years. Shiny new players do not necessarily make a team competitive, especially the first year.

[–]alphamax112 83ポイント84ポイント  (23子コメント)

That kind of spending is just another proof Mourinho is just a cheque book manager

[–]mcafcLe Coq for long term DM 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

Seriously. If they get Pogba along with thess signings, even Moyes would be expected to win the league.

[–]HillClimbRacer 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Finding a negative in actually signing players? Nice one. Arsenal should be emulating United save for Pogba and spending serious cash on a world class striker and not listen to frugal fools like you.

[–]14DeadsoulsWe're gonna sign a striker this window, for sure. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Arsenal should be emulating United

We don't make 1/4 of what they do though. We can't even spend £100m per year financially whilst they can go over £300m before FFP comes into play - then they can go even further if they don't mind making a loss.

[–]AcidShades 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? Who did he spend big money on at Porto or Inter? At Inter they actually SOLD Ibrahimovic and got Eto'o, Milito and Lucio. Wow how could he not win with spending like that?

At Chelsea he sold Mata, Luiz, KDB, Lukaku and purchased Costa, Cesc, Matic and Luis. He sold class players and bought a different set of class players that he felt fit better in his team. You could argue about the shortsightedness but he did not go on a Perez or a Sheikh Mansour like spending spree there. To me it seems like he had a clear vision and it won him the league.

At Real Madrid, a club that has a history of spending like no other, transfer windows during his reign had some of the lowest spending by club standards (inflation adjusted).

I personally do not think he spends ridiculous money. I do not even think spending money is bad. It just screams of sour grapes coming from us because not even a single person would complain if we spent a 100 million pounds this window.

Hate him for being a bully, hate him for being an asshole but to downplay his ability and his accomplishments is bitter. I wish we would collectively channel the rage we are feeling currently after reading that headline towards our own management and board instead.

[–]thehonorablechadMystery Striker 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's just evidence of how terrible/wasteful they've been over the past 3 seasons that Mourinho immediately felt the need to spend that much money.

[–]pirateOfTheCaribbeanDat Guy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think Mourihno is responsible for all of these signings. Utd were going to buy Zlats whether Jose was there or not.

Manchester are a public company and they need to constantly boost their brand to maintain share prices. This is why they have decided to make galacticos signings every summer; even when they aren't a perfect fit.

I agree that even with all their big signings their team remains crap. Di Maria and Depay were £100m down the drain. I do think that given a big check book, Mourihno can build a good squad. He has already started gobbling up defenders.

[–]naryn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Zlatan was the cheapest even considering he's probably on 300k p/week. He was a free transfer unlike Mkhitaryan and definitely Pogba.

[–]batspace 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

If they get Pogba they are definitely the favorites to win the league. We'd have to sign a world class striker like Aubameyang/Benzema/Lewandowski/Higuain to compete with them. We'd also likely need another CB as well to pair with Koscielny. Don't think Morata/Lacazette will cut it if Pogba returns to Old Trafford under a Mourinho regime with Zlatan up front.

[–]Nayr91 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's assuming that Zlatan doesn't flop?

[–]yzct 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any player in the league could flop, it's a non point.

[–]Fulp_Piction 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But an old player coming into a new side in a new league playing in a squad with 4/5 players who themselves have just been bought is much more likely to flop.

[–]14DeadsoulsWe're gonna sign a striker this window, for sure. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Favourites? I'm expecting them to fight for 3rd. Maybe in 17/18 but next season I don't think they'll be there in March.

[–]naryn -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really?

Even with Pogba I'm not sure I'd rate their team better than ours or City's.

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[–]Teleman_Frank 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking outrageous the state of modern football tbh. Oh how I miss my childhood haha

[–]Testastic 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone who really wanted us to sign Zlatan and even more so Mkhitaryen; I don't know how far they'll go with them but yes, this is a good window for them.

Since Vardy turned us down, Higuin is the only other forward player we can pursue that could make this window of ours good enough for me.

edit:typo

[–]sophandros 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

How much did we spend last year?

How much did Spurs, City, Liverpool, United, and Chelsea spend?

What was the order of finish for those five and us?

Now, this is not to say that we should stand pat. I think we should and will make some moves, but we need to be smart about it. Buying for the sake of buying won't win many games.

[–]thosefilthyhobbitseswenger's zipper 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

value of signings in the last 3 seasons

Man U - 280m

Arsenal - 150m

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]Throwawaytidder 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair play to Mourinho and United. Getting their business done, top class players and all money that they have earned. Reckon it'll be between them or City for the title.

[–]chiefokeefe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly what Mo did at Chelsea and they won the title that year.

[–]arsenal971 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Remember when these Muppets let Pogba go on a free hahah

[–]PB49 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

We have got Wenger bro. The GOAT manager. Don't worry

[–]dr_vegapunk -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Bro didn't you know we are broke. All hail the great manager who literally sacrificed everything to be our manager! He didn't sign for real madrid you hear!

[–]PB49 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah man.. Wenger built Arsenal. The club was nothing before him. I don't know what would happen to Arsenal when Wenger leaves one day, probably a decade from now

[–]dr_vegapunk 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

I hope we already have a Wenger duplicate ready for when he gets too old b/c I can't imagine not being this successful. Imagine if we actually came in 5th or not get out of the group stage of cl, I think I couldn't handle such failures. I don't even wanna think about those horrors because if we overspend a little, we will go all the way to the championship and become like leeds or even worse out of the football league :gasp:

[–]PB49 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

But you will have to make peace with the fact that we will not be successful after Wenger leaves. Wenger is already massively overachieving with our squad. We have been in CL for 20? years without spending a penny.

[–]naryn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's not overachieving with this squad, he definitely was between 2008-13 though

[–]dr_vegapunk 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yea just incredibly overachieving with the 4th highest wage bill and 5th most spent on players, pretty close to Chelsea on wages actually, and never even challenging for the title. We came in 2nd with 71 points last season when everyone was shit while the year before we had 79 points. We don't overachieve we are average. To give you an example. Let's say you are taking an exam and you get C's when you expected B's or A's. But your friends shit the bed. Does that make you satisfied? Honestly to me, no. We are competiting against ourselves and should look at where we were last season to the one before or the one before or the one before. I honestly believe we haven't improved much at all.

Who are actually over achieving are Atletico the fact that they were able to actually go into the last game in la liga with a chance of winning the title is commendable. The fact that they were able to beat Bayern is commendable. Can you tell me a season where we went as under dogs in the cl or pl where we were underdogs and actually blew everyone away like Leicester or Atletico. We are average

And why is not spending anything commendable that is so stupid we have limited resources and use everything we have to actually challenge. The fact that apparently we are saving money for rainy days or something like that is horseshit. I do not and will not accept such losers mentality. What do you think happens to players mentality when they see no accountability or pressure to succeed? Can you tell me a season where there was pressure on any of our players to actually perform or they would be replaced? The ones who did got better like Bellerin and Monreal. That needs to happen from top down starting with Wenger where not competing for the title this season should mean no contract but what do you know there is already papers talking about giving wenger another 3 years contract which is laughable.

[–]alterheroArsenal: 2015/16 2nd Place 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know he's being sarcastic right?

[–]_thebrandonator_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You guys are cunts lmfao

[–]jrrand78 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck United. Their last few transfer windows have been desperate and outrageous and have accomplished little to boost their position (Though they have some good young players now, admittedly).

Those four players and Mourinho do not guarantee anything.

[–]Leinad2012 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

How strong are the souces linking Pogba to United? Like they are linked every season and every season Pogba comes out and says he isn't leaving. I thought this subreddit regarded Di Marzio as a laughing stock journalist bordering on a retarded itk?

[–]northernseoul 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

United fan here just coming over to see what other teams think of the Pogba rumours. Personally I am keen to not get too invested in this. True, every window he is linked and United are also linked with big names who then just sign a new contract (ie, Ramos last year).

However, Di Marzio is more or less on the money with a lot of United news. He broke Darmian before anyone knew (was even in the room and got a photo of darmian signing the contract) along with a lot of other transfers the last few seasons. He's reporting today that a contract is agreed in principle with pogba but no formal bid in so there's still a lot that could fall through but it's looking increasingly more likely.

[–]Leinad2012 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for giving an United perspective on this. I guess jounos have clubs where they have contacts high up so have good info on transfers for that club and not others. Like Ornstein has for Arsenal or Simon Stone at the bbc has with United. Don't think Di Marzio has got an Arsenal rumour right but I've never paid attention to other rumours involving other clubs that he comes out with.

Thing is though, I'm 99% certain it's against UEFA rules to tap up a player (i.e. contact a player with a contract in principle) without putting a bid in for them. So technically speaking, if what Di Marzio is saying is true, then United have broen UEFA rules. Not saying that no clubs do this, but I struggle to see how personal agreements could have been made discretely while the Pogba is playing in the Eruos

[–]Quilpo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a case of other clubs doing the same, it's a case of every other club doing it, tapping up is the transfer equivalent of sticking your arse out to stop people from getting the ball when it's going out, technically against the rules but it's accepted as part of 'what happens'.

[–]essdotc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

United have more money than God, I say let them go crazy with it.

I honestly feel that in the PL, especially now, there is absolutely no guarantee that buying expensive players guarantees you success.

The margins between individual players in terms of performance are razor thin.

If anything, games will be won or lost less thanks to individual brilliance and more thanks to tactical nous.

That's why my money is on Conte at Chelsea to take the league by storm despite United buying the world.

[–]ekb11 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If United sign Pogba and win the title I reckon I would cry and give up football. It just shits in the face of what football should be about, and not cheque book management and buying cultures. I know we all love a star signing, but I love a one club hero more. Raised from the ranks and a true clubman. None of this chasing trophies because you are bigger than a club attitude. I personally find it toxic for football.

[–]elnino19nacho man randy savage -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

yeah mourinho has built a strong team. zlatan will succeed in the prem, he will probably outscore giroud lol.

we need some good attacking players to compete- city, chelsea and liverpool will all be strong next season.

[–]Merteroud 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

liverpool

Just like every other season where they're saying the same thing?

[–]elnino19nacho man randy savage [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Better manager than they have had in a very long time, will definitely challenge top 4 next season.

Honestly my biggest worries are chelsea and united, they'll park their way to a title

[–]Rekyht 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Klopp is a much better manager than they have had in a long time.

[–]hugby1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can we please stop making the assumption that Pogba has already signed for United. He is an extremely ambitious player and is much more likely to go to Barca or Real. United meeting the fee doesn't mean he will agree personal terms, so everyone settle the fuck down.

[–]eyeballer94 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://twitter.com/CalcioNews89/status/750813611560472576

[–]pirateOfTheCaribbeanDat Guy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is this a reliable source? I heard his number one choice was Real. I can't imagine he's in a rush to go back to Manchester after leaving on bad terms.

[–]ArsenalboiiAR8 - GX29 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said if he can't move to Real Madrid he'll move to Manchester. He apparently also said that moving back to United was always part of his career plan.

[–]illusiveabI am Ozil -5ポイント-4ポイント  (12子コメント)

Maybe you can buy league titles but you can't buy class

[–]North_Indian[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

Much as I loathe United, you can't accuse them of "buying" the league, or even not being classy. They've earned that money, just like we earn ours, it's not some Sheikh's or Russian mobster's money laundering scheme.

[–]rtdasdwilslad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spending obscene amounts of money, regardless of where it's from, is still buying the league.

[–]illusiveabI am Ozil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Dude you think potentially spending 120M on a single player isn't trying to buy the league? Say what you want about class, but that's desperation at work.

[–]North_Indian[S] 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

Again, it's their money, it wasn't handed to them by some rich guy. They can spend it, they can save it, they can do whatever they want with it.

We spent a lot on Ozil and Sanchez. If we had United's cash and bought Pogba, Mkhitaryan, and Ibrahimovic, would you give a fuck to someone saying to you that Arsenal are "buying" the league? No, you'd say a talent was available, we earned our money, and we're buying him. We'd walk the league with these 3 players.

Instead, we have Giroud and the likes, and for some reason, we're just standing still while everyone around us snaps up all the great talent. First week of July and they've already bought 3 world class players, and one with great potential, while we've done nothing.

Now watch Juventus lurk around Sanchez with this new money. A team that regularly wins the league title and cups, goes on great runs in the CL, is filled with world class players, AND will triple your wages, what's not to like....

[–]rtdasdwilslad 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Juve are even stingier than us.

[–]kashanafc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Firstly, there is no need to undermine arsenal's current crop of players, I am still confident, we have a great team. I understand that we underachieved last season, but when players like Sanchez and Ozil went missing for a good part of 2 months without contributing, we can't do much. I still believe,we only need to buy two players or max three players to make this team a better one.

Already we have made two signings! I have a feeling that Xhaka will be a fabulous player for us. Even without considering Asano, we just need to two more players. one Striker and one CB. So our focus is not on any players Manchester united has bought. So why get upset or concerned , if others are spending big money ?

Maybe they need that upheaval.

[–]cjh1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It does make sense. It also makes me want Arsenal to beat them just to rub all that cash in their face. But they do earn that cash on income not investment.

[–]Merteroud 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Piss off and support your favored Juventus then.

[–]hangaram 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

We also bought class by money.

[–]RicHii3IT'S HAPPENED AGAIN! -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

FFP is such a flawed system.

[–]HillClimbRacer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't City's signings.

[–]14DeadsoulsWe're gonna sign a striker this window, for sure. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can spend £300m a year for 3 years before FFP comes into play for them.

[–]No_Bots -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let's just remember, after all the players that City and the likes signed last year, who won the league. Hopefully Moron-Chester United flops.

[–]ToeTacTic -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

F U N

[–]M4R71NSSince 1999 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck UNited ?

[–]InspironQ -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The dig at Liverpool and Juve is making me think that this is a troll post.

[–]Quilpo -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No way does Pogba go to United.

They've done good business imo, but they've made many signings before and there's always been people saying 'look, they've spent 200m, they're going to be awesome, no wait they're still a bit crap' and even with Mourinho there are no guarantees of anything.

If they get Pogba they will have had a miraculously great window though, but I just can't see it, Real Madrid or Barca will find a way to get him.

[–]M4R71NSSince 1999 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ManU on transfer market

[–]joker_of_the_deck -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did we miss an Abramovich to Man Utd. transfer announcement?