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[–]Nautica1983 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hell, atleast shes honest about it. This is another reason i stopped approaching girls. Literally no point in doing so when your unattractive. The outcome is always the same.

[–]kachofugetsu 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you honestly believe that it's a girl who wrote that. It's probably someone who posts here.

[–]Oberon95 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same here. Let them come to you, then you know you aren't doing anything wrong.

[–]Neko_ShogunUgly, boring, socially impaired and emotionally fucked 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literally no point in doing so when you´re unattractive. The outcome is always the same.

Pretty much why I gave up on all things romantic. There is no point, there never was.

[–]SpikeDescending 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

At first this made me mad, but after reading it a second time, it's refreshing. I would actually appreciate it if people were just more honest about this shit instead of continuing to pretend that "personailty is more important than looks!" or "Confidence is what's really sexy!" At least this author isn't lying to anyone and getting peoples' hopes up. What she has to say is harsh, but at least she's not sugarcoating any of this with promises that some women might find ugly guys attractive.

Hey, this is the crux of the issue, and it's one I rarely hear spoken aloud, but it needs to be said: in previous times, women would settle for men who weren't conventionally attractive, high wage-earners, or sexually potent (or a combination of the above), because society was set up in such a way that women finding male mates was often times a matter of survival. Women were shut out of the workforce, for the most part, so making a living depended on finding a guy to be with. Thus, men who weren't 10+s with shitloads of money used to at least have a shot with women. All kinds of women were with men just because they had to be.

Not anymore. Now that that's not necessary to have to settle for a flawed man anymore, the truth comes out: a lot of women, if given a choice to be with a man or not be with a man, would opt for the latter. And if they DO choose to be with a man, that dude had better be PERFECT or else. So now that het women don't need to be with men for their own survival (even though het men still feel like they need to be with women, unfortunately, just to feel like human beings...), more and more men are left alone and unhappy while their female counterparts are alone and enjoying their new freedom, their independence from men. Women everywhere see this situation as benefitting them, so why in the world would they acknowledge or even care about how shattering and damaging this situation is going to be for men down the road? "Male tears," amirite?

But yeah, she speaks the truth: women have stopped settling. The sooner guys start dealing with that honestly the sooner things will start to improve for everyone. Because it's not like we're going to replace or reverse the gains feminism has granted women. We're just going to have to acknowledge these changes and adapt to this new reality. If that means being alone forever, then...well, that's life. You play the hand you're dealt, you know?

[–]ChadTC7wasteland wanderer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

now that het women don't need to be with men for their own survival (even though het men still feel like they need to be with women, unfortunately, just to feel like human beings...)

Aren't there plenty of men who abstain from women as well? What makes you think "men need women just to feel like human beings", if the same doesn't apply to women?

more and more men are left alone and unhappy while their female counterparts are alone and enjoying their new freedom, their independence from men. Women everywhere see this situation as benefitting them, so why in the world would they acknowledge or even care about how shattering and damaging this situation is going to be for men down the road?

Even if we accept your position as true, what do you expect women to do? Sleep with men arbitrary men so the "male collective" feels better?

[–]lord_blackfang 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Troll or not, this is truth.

[–]FullMetalLonermale 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugly men who act “confident” act out of character

that's why most of this PUA shit never works. If the girl isn't interested in you at first sight, there's absolutely no point in trying.

[–]Crystal_LogicFeelcast: 100% chance of no gf 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

I trapped between "She is absolutely right and I wish women would be more honest about this." and "This reads to perfect to be true."

Yes women are also visual being and no amount of personality will overshadow and ugly face or a deformed body. Somebody with a good personality, makes a good friend, somebody you like spending time with. Sombody with good looks makes you want to fuck him and is therefore boyfriend material. Why should anybody go for the personality of someone when there is zero sexual attraction due to looks? Being friends with him yes, but no one will push themselves into a relationship because the guy has some great humor or fantastic hobbies.

[–]Himeros79 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You assume because a guy is not traditionally good looking, that there is zero physical attraction? Just as men can look past physical flaws, so can women. And a good personality can serve to heighten physical attraction. I mean, there's no clear reason (that I can see) why a 6 in looks with a 10 in personality is going to be less sexually fulfilling than a 10 in looks with a 6 in personality is. Surface level attraction is not indicative of sexual anything.

[–]Crystal_LogicFeelcast: 100% chance of no gf 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Looks are the only thing that matters. As I said, a good personality is the best way to make firends, not find a gf.

[–]qckthr2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

being this insane

[–]VoicelessBerserk 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

She's actually right. Maybe not everyone has this understanding, but everyone has this reaction to ugliness, because the reaction is a natural human reaction. I'd even say it's an evolutionary skill to detect and avoid bad genes. While most people don't get that and will try to hide it and be nice about it, this girl gets it and says it how it is. Of course that doesn't make her less bitchy.

It all comes down to how you view the world. Should a person fake it and force (torture) him/herself to look past the ugliness or should the person just ignore ugly people and go by his first natural reactions. Which approach is more human?

[–]FindingInspiration 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would only be torture in extreme cases, eg the person is extremely overweight. However, in a lot of moderate cases (the guy is average), I don't see a long term sexual relationship being torture. Only one person can be the most attractive in the world, and everybody else isn't just settling.

[–]qckthr2 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

guaranteed people in this sub are still going to purport "confidence > looks". fucking people don't listen when someone tells them the truth. LOOKS ARE ALL THAT MATTER.

[–]lonesomeloser234Someday somebody's gonna see inside 3ポイント4ポイント  (20子コメント)

The comments don't like her.

[–]qckthr2 10ポイント11ポイント  (19子コメント)

the majority of comments against her are from men, the ones supporting her are from women. that proves her point

[–]FindingInspiration 6ポイント7ポイント  (13子コメント)

Well, I'm a guy, and I know I don't treat or think of unattractive girls like the author of this article does. This article is straight-up bigotry, and should be treated as such.

[–]qckthr2 7ポイント8ポイント  (12子コメント)

i'm a guy and i dont agree with her

thus proving my point

she's talking about how women feel about men, not the other way around

[–]FindingInspiration 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

Are you saying that women are fundamentally crueler and more judgemental then men?

[–]qckthr2 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

im saying women only care about looks. idc whether that's cruel or not. it's an idea that hastily silenced anytime its said.

[–]FindingInspiration 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

So, I'm going to take a risk of sounding like I'm an idiot, but here goes. Growing up, I feel like the media, kids movies, schools, etc. reinforced the idea that we should value what's on the inside more than the outside. I think outside factors SHOULD matter when they can be changed, e.g. someone who is out of shape is indicative that they don't take adequate care of themselves. However, hatred for factors set by genetics, like height, I think is inappropriate. If you dont judge someone based on color of their skin, or other similarly uncontrollable factors, why is it suddenly becoming so culturally accepted and encourages to judge and hate short/balding men? Height has no bearing on any real practicality in our age, aside from reaching things on a high shelf or, for a very select few, having a better shot at professional sports.

[–]qckthr2 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

i only partially agree. i think people should be judged by unchangeable genetic factors. it doesn't give people false hope. for example, i have an ugly face. i would feel better off knowing that i am genetically inferior and witnessing overt emphasis of that rather than hearing platitudes like "lift" or "be confident" or "my friend is a trash can and he died drowning in pussy because he knows how to salsa dance". the fact is women don't care about any of that. they don't care about what you do. they don't care about what you like. they care about one thing and one thing only: looks. once you are deemed average or good looking by a woman, you are set. then distinguishing features come in, like interests, chemistry, etc.

being told that you are genetically inferior is necessary in order to stifle the elevation of false hope. not giving men the opportunity to get hurt. moreover, the government should enable assisted suicide for all those who have no dependents. that way ugly men who are unhappy with their lives can end it without going through excessive or oftentimes illegal means.

[–]FindingInspiration 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay, see, this perspective is something that resonates with me very much, but I think that it is disturbing that it does. You just suggested that men with ugly facial features should be able to have assisted suicide since no woman will ever look past external factors and that love is just a false hope. In my view, that is a seriously frightening viewpoint if that is what we have come to as a culture. I mean, isn't that messed up? That people who don't get lucky with the genetic dice roll have no inherent value and should just kill themselves so the attractive among us don't have to look upon them?

This perspective is a combination of entitlement between people who have assets they've done nothing to earn, and learned self-hatred by people who simply didn't get the best number when the dice were rolled.

[–]godandgoddess 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How many women with sideburns, a mustache/body hair in general, acne, and frizzy hair have you asked out?

[–]ledankexepeople = shit - Slipknot 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can confirm, am average looking and drowning in pussynot

[–]SomethingAnxious 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Average is far from enough, be that your looks or personality. Only 20% of men get 80% of women these days. Women consider most guys to be unattractive.

[–]MisfitLove5 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

How can you tell that when everyone is anonymous?

[–]qckthr2 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

a lot of the anons mention their gender

[–]MisfitLove5 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because it's impossible to lie on the Internet, right?

[–]qckthr2 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

yeah you're right. therefore nothing is real.

[–]MisfitLove5 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of what is on the Internet needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt, that's for sure.

[–]SomethingAnxious 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not short, fat or bald (the traits the 'woman' mention to be disgusting), yet I still get 0 positive reception :(

[–]tatoff 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least she actually has the courage to say what they're all thinking.

It might sting, but it's much better to hear an honest, hurtful truth, than a pandering, comforting lie.

[–]oizz 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

This sounds suspiciously like some bitter dude doing a bit of creative writing.

[–]smthsmth 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

i don't think a guy would go through the trouble of adding asterisks(sp?) to swear words, e.g. "b*tch". in my experience, only women do this. so socialized to be polite that they won't "swear" on an annonymous post.

so either a guy was dedicated enough to write in in the style of a woman or it's just her natural writing style.

[–]oizz 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Since this is some random anonymous post, it's anyone's guess who wrote it, but these are the concerns that grind the gears of guys on incel/mgtow boards. I'd be flattering myself to think attractive women would even give people like myself enough mindshare to write long, vitiriolic posts about it.

[–]smthsmth 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

yea "it's anyone's guess" but it's not 50/50. the writing style is much more like a woman.

her main point is that you uggos should know your place and stop bothering her. she wrote it out of frusteration with dealing with unwanted attention, not to help you.

[–]FindingInspiration 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, I don't say this lightly, but this girl is an entitled bitch. The vitriolic way that she espouses blatant lookism here is just, frankly, offensive. It may be true and consistent with the way most people think, but this kind of thinking is just wrong.

As a person, I'm accepting of people of different religions, sexual orientations, ethnicities, etc. Culturally, we are encouraged to do the same. Unfortunately, we have drawn an odd line with lookism: hating men that are "short" and "balding", which are two factors dictated ENTIRELY by genetics, is simply bigotry. It's wrong. Her perspective that relationships should only be based on looks, and that emotional and physical validation should be separate, is very regressive. As an unattractive forever alone guy, I may be biased, but no amount of self-hate can make me see the linked passage as anything but disgusting.

[–]Agitavtomobil 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a vile person. There's a difference between acknowledging a double standard/ a tacit rule in society when it comes to dating and being caustic purely for the sake of circlejerking your ego.

[–]blancaweiss 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a guy pretending to be a woman, I don't know if it's satire or he's trying to help out his "bros".

[–]Zebra1234567 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is written by some dude, and that's for sure. It's waaaay over the top, almost parodic.

[–]FullMetalLonermale -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's waaaay over the top, almost parodic

there's the evidence that this was written by a woman.

[–]Neko_ShogunUgly, boring, socially impaired and emotionally fucked 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like this.

The honesty is refreshing.

[–]pfthewall 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd rather be single than be anywhere near that woman.

[–]VladAndersen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey dont sweat it folks, robotics and automation is advancing every year and they can simulate almost anything nowadays, especially if you're just looking for some companionship, a comforting embrace after a long day at work, someone to talk to, or you just want someone who is asthetically pleasing near your level, that stuff is pretty easy to simulate without the annoying stuff you would have to put up with.

At least for me, if it were a choice between a robot and women like the author of the article.... then I'll take the fuckin robot XD

[–]UnknownXV 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, this is the truth. Is she rude about it? Sure. But it isn't her fault. It's life, biology. Drawing the short straw when there are no redos definitely does suck.

It's horrible for me, because most of what we're judged on cannot be improved. We can buy new clothes, clean up acne, get a tan, build muscle. But that doesn't matter if you're short, bald, etc.. those can't be fixed.

Meanwhile all a girl has to do to be attractive to almost any man is not be fat, apply a bit of makeup, and be nice. Literally that's it. If she really wants to seal the deal, throw in playing video games too, and voila. Every guy wants you. If you're short or tall doesn't matter. If a girl somehow went bald, getting a wig is entirely socially acceptable. I'd gladly date a girl who was bald but wore a nice wig.

Ugly guys are trapped in a corner with no rope out.

[–]loneWolfProgrammerProfessional Loser 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I read that up to the word "patriarchy" and then closed it.

Feminazi bullshit

[–]oizz 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

that's the part that got you?

[–]-Fletcher- 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is obvious b8 and not how all women think

[–]HulkkisFinland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with refusing to date someone you dont find physically attractive. A lot of the other things "she" said were insane though.

[–]tupac_fan -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

TL;DR but very good. That's why I say f_ck everybody, and f_ck this hoe.

[–]brazil84 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree that it's probably a man pretending to be a girl.

By the way, it's a lot of fun to hit on girls who are way out of your league. They may not like it, but there's no law against it.

[–]adrianmalacoda25M -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

b8 r8: 7/8. Looks like plenty of people bit it, but it's way over the top, especially all the stuff about patriarchy.

Halo effect is a thing but it's more subconscious. No one will outright say "he's creepy because he's ugly." In their mind, he's creepy because he's just creepy. The distinction ("it's creepy when he's ugly, but okay when he's hot") is made subconsciously.

[–]pfthewall -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

One thing this woman forgets is that different people have different preferences. What she may consider ugly, another person will consider attractive. Unfortunately she can not see that because she falls into the trap of believing that her opinions are universally true.

[–]JedYorksMake FA great again -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

"It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the guys are around.

If said ugly guy doesn’t pick up on social cues that I’m not interested in getting to know him, it makes me even more uncomfortable than just him being there already does. I have to deal with this sht constantly everywhere I go, and it never stops. Guys, please, learn to KNOW YOUR PLACE!!! We ARE visual, just like you are. We only want GOOD LOOKING guys to approach us. If you’re any combination of short, balding, fat or 10 years older than me, please, for your own sake and mine, kindly FCK OFF! I don’t date your kind. Yes, I mean “kind” as in “different species”, because that’s what you are to me. I’m a human being, not an uggo like you, and I don’t do bestiality. You should be socially aware enough to know disinterest when it’s right in front of your homely ass face! Ugly men who act “confident” act out of character, and that’s creepy. Know your place and leave your genetic superiors ALONE!! It really is that simple. Don’t like it? THAT’S TOO D*MN BAD!! You’re not entitled to sex or companionship."

roasties, not even once.

[–]LittleWindowpane 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least she does not go as far as considering us unattractive men as repulsive. It's happened to me; women often want absolutely nothing to do with me, even platonically. Sometimes, they think quite nasty things about me when they suspect I am FA.

[–]MisfitLove5 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lmfao you guys are so fucking naive for believing this was written by a girl. It's clearly a dude looking to troll. If it really is a girl who believes this shit, she's in the huge minority who will have a dose of reality hit her in the face when she hits 30 and are is used up and no one wants her.

[–]Myocarde 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thing is, it's anonymous, and she'll most likely find some provider when arrived at the age of 30, if she can keep her mouth shut, regarding her opinions (hell, even without, if she's attractive enough/aims for the right beta - the kind of things attractive beings can get away with...).

She'll bear his presence, and he'll pay for whatever she'll ask, because that's how he'll have been told to behave, taking care of her every needs, and won't be wise enough to tell her to go fuck herself, because, well... Little to no experience, and will be happy to have someone by his side (lol).

[–]asiandaredevilAlone, normal, happy. -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair I'd rather be alone then be in a relationship with a stuck up bitch who cares only on looks, even if I looked like Ronaldo

[–]TheGynophobeGirls are scary -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i hope this "thing" lives forever, so she can experience eternal pain and suffery