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[–]Vermonty_PythonFrodo Baggins[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (52子コメント)

James Comey and the FBI have recommended that no criminal charges be brought against Secretary Clinton with respect to the handling of her private email server. This does not necessarily mean that the Department of Justice will follow their recommendation.

Comey also stated that there was a lot of carelessness involved, and that 110 classified emails were in fact sent from her private server at the time. But in spite of this carelessness and policy-breaking conduct, they still don't believe that a reasonable prosecutor would place charges against Clinton.

I'd like to note that I personally think James Comey and the FBI did everything by the book, and we should accept this from a legal standpoint. He is a consummate professional, and had zero reason to go easy on Clinton. He isn't the bad guy. Please don't act like he is the bad guy. He did his job and he did it well. I'd like to also note that this is my own stupid, personal opinion. According to some of you, it's apparently necessary for me to say that because I'm not allowed to have my own opinion and share it with you, or something.

That does not mean that her political reputation should be forgiven. There was massive negligence and arrogance and stupidity involved, but she did not commit enough wrongdoing for a reasonable charge to be brought against her.

Me personally? I don't want to put someone as careless as her in the White House.

EDIT: Sanders camp has said that FBI decision today does not affect decision to stay in the race. That means we need to KEEP FIGHTING, and ensure that we win as many platform victories as possible between now and the convention.

Sign the Petition. Tell the DNC Platform Committee that we do not want pro-TPP language in the Democratic Platform. And be sure to join the campaign's OFFICIAL social media push at Noon Eastern to spread the word!

[–]DriftingSkiesArizona - Bernie Squad - Gunnery Sergeant [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Do you by any chance know if there are any continuing investigations into RICO charges relating to the Clinton Foundation, or if this concludes all current investigations into Her Royal Highness?

[–]bluefishredfish89 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think you're talking about the Arnebeck case. That's a separate case and, last time I checked in, has yet to be filed. If it goes forward, it will be a civil case, not criminal.

[–]Crissie2389Missouri [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Comey also stated that there was a lot of carelessness involved, and that 110 classified emails were in fact sent from her private server at the time. But in spite of this carelessness and policy-breaking conduct, they still don't believe that a reasonable prosecutor would place charges against Clinton.

Yet if it was me or another Snowden they'd be being arrested right now, because they wouldn't have the money or influence to bribe their ass out.

[–]bonyponyrideNew York [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not your fault, but this is the worst thing I've ever read. I didn't get a drumroll or a card out of an envelope, just this, right there. Queasiness. Weakness. Sadness. So dark.

[–]gideonvwainwrightOhio - Bernie Squad - Cadet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

On a related note, from the folks at CNN:

Hillary Clinton has an opportunity that has eluded Democratic presidential nominees for decades: Being the candidate of big business.

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As Trump railed against the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal and threatened to withdraw the U.S. from the North American Free Trade Agreement at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other leading business lobbies publicly condemned the GOP presumptive nominee. Their warning: Trump's policies would spell economic disaster.

The extraordinary rebuke from the business community was a reminder of just how upside down politics are this year. It comes as Trump is looking to garner support from the GOP establishment just weeks out from his party's convention in Cleveland this month. It also opened the door for Clinton to court corporate leaders and donors who, in a typical election year, may have been inclined to back the GOP nominee.

Even before Trump's speech in Pennsylvania last week, the Clinton campaign was actively reaching out to industry leaders across the political spectrum. Former Walmart executive Leslie Dach has been involved in outreach efforts to business leaders on the campaign's behalf, according to a source familiar with Dach's role.

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Former U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk said he was disappointed when Clinton came out against TPP. He chucked: "But I understand the dynamics of a Democratic primary."

"Clinton seizes opening as Trump alienates big business" http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-business/

[–]afleeceblanket [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

and we should accept this from a legal standpoint

lol k

[–]Vermonty_PythonFrodo Baggins [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The people who spent thousands of hours investigating this from a legal standpoint came to the conclusion that Clinton shouldn't be charged with a crime.

That doesn't mean what she did wasn't awful. It doesn't mean that what she did doesn't make her unfit for the White House. But unless you're secretly a better authority on criminal investigations than the director of the FBI, I don't think it's wrong to accept his statement.

[–]afleeceblanket [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So in other words "shut up and accept it because you don't know what you're talking about".

You sure you're not a shill?

"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions."

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/james-comey-hillary-clinton-fbi-director-full-speech-text-transcript-read-no-charges-statement/

[–]johnskiddlesBernie Squad - Cadet [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The platform is a piece of paper that Clinton will burn like her daily schedules.

[–]Vermonty_PythonFrodo Baggins [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I wouldn't be too sure about that. We've already won a handful of concessions.

[–]johnskiddlesBernie Squad - Cadet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying changing it isn't possible. I'm just saying ignoring it is easier.

[–]GeorgePantsMcG [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No offense, but this shit is over. The crooks won.

[–]bhtooefrOhio - Bernie Squad - Lance Corporal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There actually is a way for her to lose still. An unreasonable prosecutor.

Only way to get that, though, is to vote for Trump, which I sure as fuck won't do. (I'll be voting for Jill Stein.)

[–]caulijure [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks for sharing, but with all due respect let's allow people to make up their own opinions, not soothe possible outrage. I don't know why this is pinned here. If it's worthy of merit, it will be upvoted. If not, down it will go.

[–]YourPapy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is unbelievable. She is not fit to be president, being so careless with classified information. Why do the people voting for her think this is okay? Why would anyone think this is okay?

[–]HereForTheJedi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well put.

[–]HereForTheJedi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well put.

[–]lastwordisyours [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'd like to note that I personally think James Comey and the FBI did everything by the book

I'd like to note that I don't agree and your opinion means absolutely nothing to me.

[–]finkramsey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that's some pay no attention to the man behind the curtain shit.

[–]Vermonty_PythonFrodo Baggins [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Glad that's settled.

[–]_-reddit-New Jersey [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What's next for us now that all hopes of indictment is over?

[–]Vermonty_PythonFrodo Baggins [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The DoJ can still issue an indictment. FBI Recommendation != actual action taken.

But regardless of that outcome, what's next is that we keep the political revolution alive. We elect candidates that reflect Bernie's spirit and platform, and we start to reform congress one seat at a time.

[–]banjosbadfurdayPennsylvania - Bernie Squad - Cadet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

1) Julian Assange (though I'm not holding my breath)

2) Something from 2ccifer leaks (see parenthetical for (1))

3) Clinton Foundation stuff?

[–]SocksElGato [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Her bad judgment in this whole scandal just proves she's not fit to handle the country.

[–]ISaidGoodDeyNew Jersey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That last sentence is key. Yeah she may not be a criminal (or they don't have the evidence at least) but its clear she is not fit to be trusted with the presidency

[–]Senor-K [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

She didn't leave evidence that she broke the law badly enough that a reasonable prosecutor would go forward with it.

[–]flameruler94Pennsylvania - Bernie Squad - Private [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The story of the Clintons

[–]LinkReincarnat3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No they just said they cant prove it because they cant prove intent. Which is utter bullshit. They didn't even touch on emails that proved she was doing it to avoid FOIA requests.

[–]collinch [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

but she didn't break the law according to the FBI.

Listening to the press conference this is not at all how I interpreted his statement. He seems to indicate that very much so she broke the law and her offense was egregious, but he still doesn't recommend charging her.

EDIT: He edited it. Nevermind.

[–]flameruler94Pennsylvania - Bernie Squad - Private [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well yeah, criminal charges are for us peasants

[–]Vermonty_PythonFrodo Baggins [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're right. I revised my original statement.

[–]joe2105 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I just don't understand how he can say that gross negligence is illegal (which it is under the espionage act), say that they absolutely had gross negligence, and then recommend to charges due to no precedent.

[–]axiomsofdominion [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The legal system isn't about breaking laws. Its about the expectation of a successful case. No reasonable prosecutor would go after the Clintons with this level of evidence. Of course they would go after someone who had less ability to fight the case legally, financially, and in the media.

[–]ArchPower [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

He showed his yellow belly in the face of the Clinton machine. "By the book" would have indicted ANYONE ELSE. I worked alongside the VA for over a year, and it was quite clear that any Release of Confidential Information would have been a minimum of 10 years in prison.

[–]HammeredandPantslessGeorgia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yup. Any normal GOV'T employee would have been in prison LONG ago for this.

[–]axiomsofdominion [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

She did break the law, they just said no reasonable prosecutor would bring a case. Did you not even listen to the speech?

[–]Vermonty_PythonFrodo Baggins [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

You're right. Already revised. I was typing too fast.

[–]lost_fogs [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

but she commit

Did you miss a word there?

[–]Vermonty_PythonFrodo Baggins [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Lol. Missed several words. Trying to do a dozen things at once at work but wanted to make sure this announcement got pinned to the thread.

[–]lost_fogs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No problem. Thanx for a timely summary!

[–]TheNewThirteenConnecticut - Bernie Squad - Cadet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're doing just fine, Aidan. It's a big update.

[–]TheNewThirteenConnecticut - Bernie Squad - Cadet [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

This is what I took away from it. Maybe not a criminal, but extremely careless and negligent. Definitely not befitting the title of POTUS.

[–]axiomsofdominion [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No it was criminal. He said that. He only said that a reasonable prosecutor wouldn't bring a case.

[–]garbonzo607New York [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Time for an unreasonable prosecutor then. ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ

[–]ashleyalexiss [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Agreed.