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[–]FireJayz -12ポイント-11ポイント  (50子コメント)

This sub is so retarded lol. Consoles:

-Are more affordable than PC's which some may prefer

-Are more consistent than PC's which some may prefer

-Force all users to use a controller, creating a bigger skill gap which some may prefer

This sub just proves the existence of ignorance and not considering alternate viewpoints.

Either you realize I am correct, and upvote me. Or you downvote me and prove my point. Either way I win.

[–]MilkManEXi7 4770k @3.5ghz | 8gb DDR3 | GTX 970 | Acer XB240H 8ポイント9ポイント  (18子コメント)

This sub is so retarded lol.

Accurate.

Consoles:
-Are more affordable than PC's which some may prefer

Inaccurate. Consoles are more expensive on the long-term, requiring monthly subscriptions to services and more expensive games, even considering the used market. PCs are a larger up-front investment, but cost less throughout a console's lifespan. Not everyone can afford the fairly significant first hit for a PC, though, so consoles do still have some utility there.

-Are more consistent than PC's which some may prefer

Inaccurate. A PC is as consistent as one is careful with it. If you only game on it, it will never surprise you. If you install dodgy shit and click banner ads, then your PC isn't being inconsistent, you are.

-Force all users to use a controller, creating a bigger skill gap which some may prefer

Inaccurate. It creates a lower skill ceiling.

This sub just proves the existence of ignorance and not considering alternate viewpoints.

Inaccurate. It doesn't prove anything other than that circlejerkers gonna circlejerk.

Either you realize I am correct, and upvote me. Or you downvote me and prove my point. Either way I win.

You said something about not considering alternate viewpoints?

[–]FireJayz -3ポイント-2ポイント  (16子コメント)

Inaccurate. Consoles are more expensive on the long-term, requiring monthly subscriptions to services and more expensive games, even considering the used market. PCs are a larger up-front investment, but cost less throughout a console's lifespan. Not everyone can afford the fairly significant first hit for a PC, though, so consoles do still have some utility there.

I spent $400 on my console. I would need to spend over $1k for a PC. That means I get 10 years of subscriptions before I even match the PC price.

My original point is accurate.

Inaccurate. A PC is as consistent as one is careful with it. If you only game on it, it will never surprise you. If you install dodgy shit and click banner ads, then your PC isn't being inconsistent, you are.

So basically purchase a PC to use for gaming, and a PC to use as a PC. And the PC won't surprise you as long as you use it for gaming only. The fact that it has that caveat makes it less consistent.

My original point is accurate.

Inaccurate. It creates a lower skill ceiling

Which literally allows the existence of a larger skill gap.

My original point is accurate.

Aaaaaaand were back to where we started.

You said something about not considering alternate viewpoints?

I do consider other points. PC is better in some ways. It just isn't objectively better, and in many cases it's worse.

[–]MilkManEXi7 4770k @3.5ghz | 8gb DDR3 | GTX 970 | Acer XB240H 3ポイント4ポイント  (14子コメント)

I would need to spend over $1k for a PC

No you wouldn't.

So basically purchase a PC to use for gaming, and a PC to use as a PC. And the PC won't surprise you as long as you use it for gaming only. The fact that it has that caveat makes it less consistent.

No, just don't do dodgy shit with your PC. They don't infect themselves. They don't break themselves. You don't even have to be particularly careful, just not pants-on-head retarded. This is the closest thing you had to a legitimate point, but you have to admit to being inept for it to be valid.

Which literally allows the existence of a larger skill gap.

No, a lower skill ceiling means that the difference between the best and worse player is less vast. A larger skill gap would be, for example, someone playing with a gamepad against someone playing with a mouse and keyboard, which is only possible on a PC.

[–]FireJayz -4ポイント-3ポイント  (13子コメント)

No you wouldn't.

Yea if you want a worse PC, which leads to the lower consistency I referred to.

No, just don't do dodgy shit with your PC. They don't infect themselves. They don't break themselves. You don't even have to be particularly careful, just not pants-on-head retarded. This is the closest thing you had to a legitimate point, but you have to admit to being inept for it to be valid.

Even people with thorough understands of PC run into viruses from time to time. A small percentage of the population is able to completely avoid viruses. So basically you need to either be in the top 10% of computer knowledge or buy two PCs. Regardless of what you are pretending to argue, it is a valid point against PCs.

someone playing with a gamepad against someone playing with a mouse and keyboard, which is only possible on a PC.

Perfect. You just proved my point. You are forced to use a keyboard and mouse to be on an even playing field. On console the playing field is even by default.

No matter what you say, there are reasons why console is preferred and superior in some instances. You literally can't win this argument because of that.

[–]MilkManEXi7 4770k @3.5ghz | 8gb DDR3 | GTX 970 | Acer XB240H 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yea if you want a worse PC, which leads to the lower consistency I referred to.

Worse than what, exactly? If you're shooting for console parity, it costs slightly more than a console. Buying less expensive parts won't make your shit less consistent, though. It's not like you're buying chinese knockoff parts.

Even people with thorough understands of PC run into viruses from time to time. A small percentage of the population is able to completely avoid viruses. So basically you need to either be in the top 10% of computer knowledge or buy two PCs. Regardless of what you are pretending to argue, it is a valid point against PCs.

There is no spontaneous generation of viruses on computers. They are invited in. If you don't trust yourself to avoid them, install an antivirus. Your computer will still be less likely to fail on you than the 360 or PS3 was. Time will tell what kind of life expectancy these current consoles have, but the PS4 is already approaching a 1 in 100 failure rate. At least they're releasing a new one so soon, right?

Perfect. You just proved my point. You are forced to use a keyboard and mouse to be on an even playing field. On console the playing field is even by default.

Your point was originally that there was a greater skill gap on consoles because you're forced to use gamepads, which was a good thing. Now you've moved your goalposts over here, where being forced to used KB/M to avoid a greater skill gap is a bad thing.

No matter what I say, I can't win because your arguments are vague and inconsistent.

[–]FireJayz -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

Worse than what, exactly?

Other PCs. AKA less consistency within the platform.

There is no spontaneous generation of viruses on computers. They are invited in. If you don't trust yourself to avoid them, install an antivirus. Your computer will still be less likely to fail on you than the 360 or PS3 was. Time will tell what kind of life expectancy these current consoles have, but the PS4 is already approaching a 1 in 100 failure rate. At least they're releasing a new one so soon, right?

Incorrect.

Your point was originally that there was a greater skill gap on consoles because you're forced to use gamepads, which was a good thing. Now you've moved your goalposts over here, where being forced to used KB/M to avoid a greater skill gap is a bad thing.

My main point is that there are reasons why consoles are superior. It doesn't matter if I moved the goalposts, my point is being proved. Sorry that you can't counter the fact that I am objectively correct.

[–]MilkManEXi7 4770k @3.5ghz | 8gb DDR3 | GTX 970 | Acer XB240H 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

Other PCs. AKA less consistency within the platform.

So it'll be a Neo/Scorpio situation. Noted.

Incorrect.

Incorrect.

My main point is that there are reasons why consoles are superior. It doesn't matter if I moved the goalposts, my point is being proved. Sorry that you can't counter the fact that I am objectively correct.

You've made no point, other than that you desperately do not want to be wrong, which I truly cannot counter.

EDIT:

Your issue is that you keep trying to find reasons for superiority. What you're actually looking for is reasons for preference, which needs no justification.

As an aside, it's crazy how few people seem to understand what objectivity is.

[–]FireJayz -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

There are certain situations where console is preferred to PC. That means PC is not objectively better. That is my point and I am correct. You can't dispute that without being incorrect, so I win the argument. Bye.

[–]MilkManEXi7 4770k @3.5ghz | 8gb DDR3 | GTX 970 | Acer XB240H 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

PC is not objectively better.

That, if that is your entire point, is meaningless. Objectivity has no foundation in subjective assessment, and "better" is a purely subjective matter. You've spent so much of your time making an argument for a subject that, to a thinking person, needs no argument. Of course it's not objectively better. Nothing is objectively better than anything without first establishing a metric for comparison, which you've avoided having to hold yourself to.

You've effectively said "Shovels are not objectively better than spoons." I, being one for context, approach this from an assumed perspective of hole-digging. "But you can dig a hole much more effectively with a shovel," says I. "Ah," says FireJayz of the sharpest wit, "but can you dig a very small hole?"

No, you're not wrong. You're just not saying anything and have deftly avoided legitimate arguments. You've drawn squiggles all over the tic tac toe board and declared victory.

[–]ScorchingBulleti5-4690K 4.0GHz | GTX 970 4GB | 8GB DDR3 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

You didn't win shit for an argument.

You said that Consoles are sometimes preferred to a PC, respectable. Saying that PC isn't objectively better is completely false.

That's like saying, some people prefer a burger to a salad, proving that a salad isn't objectively healthier.

PC is objectively better, for a few extra hundred dollars, you're given an infinite amount of varieties to customize your PC. You can set up a rainmeter for your desktop, you can set what resolution to play in games, you can edit photos, you can multitask much more instances on a PC than a console.

There is no argument here, a PC is objectively better than a Console. It's a fucking fact that you can't accept because you're desperate to be right.

[–]ScorchingBulleti5-4690K 4.0GHz | GTX 970 4GB | 8GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't need to be top 10% to not get a virus, it's literally as easy as installing uBlock and pressing the right download button.

I have no firewall because it's constant notifications annoy me, and my PC has yet to get a virus.

[–]herpderpfeynmanFX 8350, R9 390, 16 GB DDR3, Silver Arrow SBE 2ポイント3ポイント  (29子コメント)

or I just don't care enough while I'm here enjoying my desktop pc

[–]FireJayz -3ポイント-2ポイント  (28子コメント)

Which costs more than a console, gives varying degrees of resolution and lag depending on each user's PC, and allows you to use a skilless mouse and keyboard.

Console gaming is far more competitive and takes more skill to succeed at.

[–]larkin54 2ポイント3ポイント  (23子コメント)

Yes and that's why all the pro scenes are console based.... oh shit wait does aim assist and the fact that controllers are inherently imprecise mean that the skill ceiling is actually much much higher on PC due to more precise controls and no assistance? I think it does.

[–]FireJayz -3ポイント-2ポイント  (22子コメント)

oh shit wait does aim assist and the fact that controllers are inherently imprecise mean that the skill ceiling is actually much much higher on PC due to more precise controls and no assistance? I think it does.

Nope. Your statement is objectively incorrect. Aiming on console requires more skill even with aim assist. Aim assist is pretty much nothing compared to auto aim (mouse).

[–]herpderpfeynmanFX 8350, R9 390, 16 GB DDR3, Silver Arrow SBE 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Aim assist is pretty much nothing compared to auto aim

so why aren't you a pro at counter strike if it's so easy as auto aim?

[–]FireJayz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't play counterstrike. I don't play PC. Even if I did it doesn't imply I should be a pro. There is still a skill gap on PC, its just smaller than on console, and only for people who need to boost in their aim because they aren't skilled enough to aim on console.

[–]herpderpfeynmanFX 8350, R9 390, 16 GB DDR3, Silver Arrow SBE 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

keep being delusional when you haven't played fps on both platforms.

I played cod mw1 & 2 on xbox for more than 3 years and played counter strike since 2005. I and many other people will tell you it takes far less skill to play console fps.

[–]InstantsFX-8320, MSI R9 290, 8GB DDR3, 1TB HHD 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

There is no auto aim or assistance on mouse. You have to move the mouse with precision not just move your joystick close to the enemy and let aim assistance do the rest like on you shitty console. Keep playing in 60 fps 1080p. You are stuck in 2006 buddy lmao.

[–]FireJayz -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

Ya because you can literally click exactly where you want to shoot. A baby can play as well as you.

[–]InstantsFX-8320, MSI R9 290, 8GB DDR3, 1TB HHD 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

Please sir lets 1v1 and I'll show you a skill gap :) Oh wait you don't own both a console and PC and are just speaking opinions out of your ass LMAO

[–]FireJayz -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

How can you show skill gap in a 1v1? That actually doesn't make sense. Nice try lmao, but I won this argument a long time ago.

[–]InstantsFX-8320, MSI R9 290, 8GB DDR3, 1TB HHD 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

What are talking about you gave up and declared PC gaming superior to consoles. I won the argument.

[–]ScorchingBulleti5-4690K 4.0GHz | GTX 970 4GB | 8GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Saying it takes more skill to aim on console is like saying it's hard to win a 100m dash with two broken legs.

Of fucking course it is, the aiming as actually fucking garbage to the point where developers had to increases the aim assist on The Division and Overwatch.

[–]FireJayz -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep. Therefore console creates a higher skill gap where people can't automatically lock onto you and destroy you. Sounds like more fun to me (and everyone else who plays console).

Guess PC isn't objectively better, and I win this argument (which was obvious from the beginning)

[–]ScorchingBulleti5-4690K 4.0GHz | GTX 970 4GB | 8GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? Looking in someone's general direction and having the system stick to them is skill for you?

With a M&K, you're no locking on to shit, you clearly haven't played both to figure this out for yourself.

[–]BlindSp0t4690k@4.5GHz/1080/DasKeyboard/Zowie FK2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know it's totally possible and allowed to do competitive shooting blindfolded. If you want to be gimped, you're free to do it. However I don't think a single professional shooter would compete with such a handicap. It's pretty much similar in competitive gaming, except that some people accept to be gimped there. I guess the auto aiming does allow you to do that.

You know what takes more skill than a controller? A wheel. Why don't you see people playing with a wheel (except for that one youtuber)? Because it's improper to play FPS. Pretty much as the controller is.

[–]herpderpfeynmanFX 8350, R9 390, 16 GB DDR3, Silver Arrow SBE 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

skilless mouse and keyboard

wow, confirmed for troll

[–]FireJayz -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually I'm 100% factually correct.

But you just confirmed that you're a sheep, so congrats!

[–]herpderpfeynmanFX 8350, R9 390, 16 GB DDR3, Silver Arrow SBE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

keep being delusional

[–]PikmonsterEVGA GTX 960 2GB | FX 6300 | 1 TB Hard Drive | 8GB Ram 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nice b8