Actually, you're wrong. The problem is you're naive. You smiled and listened as your social studies teacher taught you how to be a good citizen. You don't question, think, or reason. You do what you're told because you're a good little cog. You go ahead and insult me, lil buddy. Smarter, better people than you agree with me. Read Noam Chomsky. Read Edward Bernays. Read Carroll Quigley. Read HL Mencken. Read fucking anything. The system is rigged, it has been for a long time. The only people who don't realize that are the uninformed, uneducated rabble like yourself who spend too much time propping up their realities with propaganda than actually learning anything.

You have yet to refute or even address a single point I have made. You are just rambling at this point. Okay, those are some names. What have they said that contradicts what I am presenting to you?

Also, for someone saying "go ahead and insult me, lil buddy", your entire post seems to be filled to the brink with insults. I've presented arguments, I've presented statistics and facts to support them, and I've reasoned out my position. You, however, seem to be incapable of going more than two sentences without calling me a shill or a "pleb" in some capacity or insulting me in some other manner.

I think this is because you recognize you don't know how to address my points, so you're lashing out. Hopefully you'll do the adult thing when you calm down and internalize this discussion and actually provide critical thinking to the points I've raised, rather than brush it off and insist that I am, somehow, the one who is acting unreasonable here.

Again, ad hominem attacks and logical fallacies are all that you people have. It takes no time at all to look up valid information about 2016 election fraud. Again, you don't care about learning. You don't care about being informed. You care about the world conforming to your belief systems. You believe government loves you and cares about you, and so when anyone comes to you with anything that challenges those beliefs the cognitive dissonance is so painful, so overwhelming, that all you can do is supplant reality with what makes you feel better.

What ad hominem? An ad hominem is saying you are wrong because of something unrelated to the discussion. E.g., you can't know about economics because you're fat! That's an ad hom. Me saying you're acting crazy (i.e.: insulting you) and then reasoning out my points and presenting refutations afterward, supported with statistics and facts, is not an ad hominem attack.

This entire paragraph is just the most condensed and spectacular demonstration of psychological projection I have ever seen. I actually have the itch that I'm in some kind of matrix simulation right now because it's astounding that this level of dissonance is actually existing in front of me. I'm sure you're going to respond to this with some whine parade about how I'm not addressing your points or something, but the thing is, you're not making any. You literally typed an entire paragraph that is 100% either insults toward me or rhetorical misdirection. .

Respond to the facts. The only fact you brought up was that Dems were labeled as independents and independents weren't transferred to Dem properly, and thus could not vote in closed primaries or caucuses. I responded to that fact that that number was only 180,000 estimated -- Hillary won with a difference of 3,000,000 total votes and it's impossible that the estimate of those disenfranchised votes are off by a factor of 15x and that all those votes would have went to Bernie as well. I also responded with the fact that Hillary won 12 out of 18 open primaries this 2016 contest, where those disenfranchisement issues are irrelevant to the discussion. Bernie, however, benefited from that disenfranchisement -- at one point 9 out of 15 of his victories came from closed contests and he won 7 out of the 9 total closed caucuses. There is no interpretation I presented here -- these are simply facts that you refuse to address. You can brush it off with "do your own research" or call me a CTR shill or whatever else -- you know, deep down inside yourself as well, that these facts refute your argument and you don't know how to address them, so you're lashing out in anger, and it's pathetic.

If you have some other evidence or facts you would like to present, we can discuss that. However, at this point in time, you have made one argument -- Hillary stole the election through voter disenfranchisement. I refuted that with the facts above. At this point all you're doing is attacking and lashing out at me because you don't know how to address them.

You keep saying the evidence is 'easy to find' and it's 'out there', so why don't you actually present some arguments?

Again, your comments prove just how out of touch with reality that you are. 2008 wasn't a revolution. Obama continued the same Bush era policies, just as Clinton will. They're both status quo shills that pander to the public while serving their top donors, the banks and the corporations that profit from having a President in their pocket.

Obama continued "Bush era policies"...? Really? Are you absolutely insane? Jesus Christ dude, get off the kool aid, this is absolutely ridiculous. You've completely divorced yourself from reality to pander to your own delusions.

In literally the first 100 days Obama made great effort to distance our path from Bush's policies. For instance, within the first few weeks he made a drastic shift away from the war on drugs that Bush championed -- forcing Federal Agents to relax enforcement on marijuana laws and only go after cartel distributors and got them off of targeting legal distributors in states that allowed it. He has, for his entire candidacy, fought and pushed for LGBTQ+ rights and repealed DADT. He rolled back Bush's anti-Stem Cell research laws. He stopped torture and released torture memos to the public. He got us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. He pushed forward revolutionary new laws that has helped wane us off of fossil fuels and will continue to do so.

This is just outright fucking offensive to every single group that has benefited under Barack Obama. 2008 certainly was a revolution, it's just that you are too fucking privileged to have benefited from it. He passed the Affordable Care Act and got 8,000,000 (40% of uninsured) Americans health coverage. MILLIONS of people are now alive because of that act, and it's only going to be expanded under HRC. Yeah yeah MUH IT'S NOT SINGLE PAYER. Single Payer isn't the fucking be all end all goal -- Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland all use systems like the ACA. He enforced gun control laws. He drastically cut down on nuclear warheads through mutual disarmament treaties with Russia and others. He opened relations with Cuba. He passed Dodd-Frank which was the largest financial sector regulation since the Great Depression. He opened relations with Iran and signed the nuclear deal, stabilizing the region. And he has, de facto, began the process of Guantanamo closing -- with the amount of prisoners being reduced to double digits at this point with the rest having plans to be transferred out.

I've been trying to be polite as much as I can, but I'll just up and say it: You're fucking whacko, and you're fucking delusional if you earnestly believe that Obama "continued Bush era policies". Like there's no cute way to say that. You're fucking ignorant, you're fucking privileged, and you lack any amount of real world perspective. Gun control, Iran relations, pulling out of Iraq/Afghanistan, torture, dodd-frank, healthcare, Cuba relations, nuclear disarmament, military spending, LGBTQ+ rights, stem cell research, environmentalism -- these are all areas where Obama and Bush actively made wholly opposite decisions on. In the last 8 years this country has become significantly better, it's just it became significantly better for non-white cis straight middle class people so obviously you didn't notice. Yes, it isn't fucking perfect and neither is he, but people don't have to be. He made this a much better place than it was in 2008, and advanced liberal policy in the process.

The reality is that you live in a bubble where selection bias shields you from ever having to recognize you have no idea WTF is going on.

See "psychological projection"

Lecture? The problem is you don't know what is being discussed, and because you have no frame of reference on which to go on, the easiest thing for you to do is insult people. You are a parrot.

Let's break this down, in case the reader missed it.

the easiest thing for you to do is insult people. You are a parrot.

LMFAO.

You repeat talking points that have no basis in reality, you simply repeat what CNN or MSNBC or FOX tells you.

I don't watch any of them. For someone whining about "talking points", at least I have any. You still have yet to present anything resembling an argument beyond "SHIIIIILLLLLLL"

You're like a flat Earther, no amount of photos of the Earth is going to change your point of view. You're the product of successful indoctrination. You can't be challenged by ideas that conflict with what you believe because you don't care about learning, you care about reinforcing what you believe.

Are you stroking yourself while you write this? I feel like I'm reading a fan fiction here.

Furthermore, as was stated before, I do not need to prove to you what I am saying. The burden of proof is not on me.

We're going for a BINGO here.

It takes absolutely no time to look up what a scum bag Clinton is and how she benefited from a rigged system that weeds out anyone who challenges the establishment.

Like Obama?

What exactly does this have to do with the facts I presented above? Or are you just going to ignore that and just keep insisting your'e right anyways?