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BLM protesters demand that police groups don't march at Toronto Pride - thoughts? (self.ainbow)

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pride-parade-toronto-1.3662823

Well. I'm not from Canada but this seems like a huge step backwards for pride. Why shouldn't the Canadian police forces have floats at Pride?

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[–]10art1The indefaggotable 10ポイント11ポイント  (30子コメント)

BLM is a bunch of whiny assholes, and if they're going to throw tantrums like this, I'm more than happy to tell them to not let the door hit them on the way out. This march isn't about them, and they're doing everything they can right now to make it about them.

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[–]theherpsHigh commander of the patriarchy 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

A coment posted here gets linked to SRS and it wasn't mine?

I'm really not bringing my A-game, better step it up

[–]10art1The indefaggotable 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Redditor says the obvious, and gets upvoted. Look at how ridiculous we look!"

Thanks /u/ladyoftherealm for passive-aggressively virtue signalling.

[–]theroseandswordsMtF / 30 / Queen of the Patriarchy 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

You triggered SRS. I'm impressed.

[–]theherpsHigh commander of the patriarchy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm jealous of him tbqh

I-I'm oppresive too r-right?

[–]10art1The indefaggotable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's my privilege ;)

[–]Batsy22 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (10子コメント)

Oh hell yeah it's about them. Black queer people, especially black trans women, are routinely targeted by police. Maybe not all cops are bad, but it's in really poor taste to have them march in pride while they continue to victimize the most vulnerable members of the queer community.

[–]theherpsHigh commander of the patriarchy 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

If BLM wants to have a march they can organize their own, not take over ours.

[–]Batsy22 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why is it yours though? Queer black people are also queer

[–]throwaway12345412 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Some my little pony fans are gay, pride can still probably do ok without a single pony in the vicinity

[–]10art1The indefaggotable [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

hey thats me :D let's Rainbow Dash it up in here!

[–]throwaway12345412 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Great! Here's an idea, why don't we get a herd of ponies and use them to harass organizers and try and stop the whole parade unless they change the name to the "MLPride parade"

[–]10art1The indefaggotable [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Would be a great parody.

"Black Lives Matter demands police go away in Toronto LGBT march. In other news, pimply neckbeards demand to march with ponies in the march."

[–]theherpsHigh commander of the patriarchy 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

BLM is not an explicitly queer group though. Most of them are heteros.

If it was any other group of mostly straight people disrupting a pride event all of r/ainbow would be calling them out, but apparently criticizing BLM is verboten.

[–]Batsy22 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

BLM was literally co-founded by a queer woman. Stopping anti-queer violence has been one of the main things they're pushing for.

[–]theherpsHigh commander of the patriarchy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That doesn't mean that most of them aren't straight.

Also, if they're willing to disrupt an LGBT specific event to push their own interests, I wouldn't hold out hope of them doing fuckall about ending violence against us.

Finally, given how many people they manage to piss off, any association with BLM would only hinder LGBT rights.

[–]10art1The indefaggotable 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh hell yeah it's about them.

If you'd like to stay home, too, I'm sure we'll somehow survive.

[–]evilpenguin234Pokemon Master -3ポイント-2ポイント  (12子コメント)

This march isn't about them

TIL it's impossible to be both LGBT and black

[–]10art1The indefaggotable 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

That's not what I meant at all. This march is about LGBT people. If members of BLM want to participate, they may as long as they participate as LGBT members, not as anti-cop shit stirrers. This is about LGBT rights, let's not forget that.

[–]evilpenguin234Pokemon Master -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

You're aware that Stonewall, one of the first LGBT-equality movements, was started by black trans women being "anti-cop shit stirrers", right?

[–]xbettel 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The majority of people were gay white men.

[–]10art1The indefaggotable 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have not seen any credible sources saying that, but stonewall did have a diverse mix of people, I know that. It wouldn't surprise me if one or more of the people leading the riot were black.

That said, I think it's completely irrelevant.

[–]theherpsHigh commander of the patriarchy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

And you're aware that things have changed since the sixties, right?

[–]evilpenguin234Pokemon Master -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

For white gays? Sure. For everyone else? Not a whole lot of difference, especially when the police are concerned.

[–]Batsy22 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

And LGBT rights require focusing on the most vulnerable set of queer folks, which are queer people of color. And that means any LGBTQ related struggle has to also be about fighting against racism which includes fighting against police brutality.

[–]10art1The indefaggotable 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

And LGBT rights require focusing on the most vulnerable set of queer folks, which are queer people of color.

Says who? Who is this all-powerful person who decides what the LGBT agenda is?

LGBTQ related struggle has to also be about fighting against racism

facepalm

I guess my favorite food is now driving to the park, because completely unrelated things are the same.

[–]Batsy22 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Things interact with each other. Read up on the concept of intersectionality. There are people who suffer from multiple forms of oppression. You can't have a conversation about stopping homophobia or transphobia without including queer people of color which inherently involves fighting racism.

[–]10art1The indefaggotable [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Things interact with each other. Read up on the concept of intersectionality.

Oh trust me, I am very well read on the concept. Intersectionality is basically taking 2 completely unrelated issues and smushing them together to increase your oppression points.

But I'm not going to argue with you, I have you tagged on RES as "racist against whites" from before, so I don't see anything meaningful coming from this discussion.

[–]throwaway12345412 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

intersectionality

Christ I hate this nonsense that people have voluntarily contaminated their brains with. Goddamn plague infecting half of the western world it seems like

[–]theherpsHigh commander of the patriarchy 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

here is the statement BLM released

Basically for some terrible reason Toronto pride agreed to give them an "honoured group" status, and BLM still disrupted the parade, showing appeasement does not work with them.

I am on the executive committee for the pride celebrations in my city, and a good working relationship with the police force is quite helpful. They provide security for the parade, and in the past when people have disrupted our events, the police took care of it right away. It would make even less for pride in Toronto to not want the police (as one of BLM's demands to not have the police provide security for the events) as any event with that many people in attendance will need police help with things like croud control.

In conclusion: a good relationship with the police is valuable, and that BLM will just take and take, no matter how much you give them, and that association with them will only hurt our image.

[–]BasedPeaches 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm half black (it's also my skin color) and I think BLM is just a load of bs, all they do is whine and hate on police, they're so counterproductive and making a fool out of themselves

[–]signal-zero [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What methods of protest and action do you think are appropriate that they should be restricted to doing?

[–]DigUpStupid1 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is about you guys, why let them disrupt your event?

[–]theherpsHigh commander of the patriarchy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spineless organizers who cave too easy.

[–]theroseandswordsMtF / 30 / Queen of the Patriarchy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's stupid, and insulting to GSM people in my opinion. Pride events are specifically designed for GSM people to be out in public, in protest of the public stigma that had historically existed against GSM people. While BLM's stated goals may overlap with some members of the community, they are not universal however, nor do they go hand in hand with the purpose of pride events.

There is a time and a place to protest the issues BLM says that they are against. Pride is not one of them. Pride is for the GSM community, not for activists dealing with race relations. BLM is willfully upstaging the GSM community here. It doesn't make their issues any less valid, but it is extremely disrespectful. It also adds to a long list of BLM activists being unnecessarily disruptive to events being unrelated to their cause.

[–]Jess_than_three\o/ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, here's a thought: any group can reasonably dictate terms at its own events - but at longstanding events that they are allowed to be a part of but are not the focus of? No, you don't get to demand anything, I think.

[–]throwaway12345412 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thought #1:

Tell them to get fucked

[–]signal-zero -4ポイント-3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Anti-gay groups and Police have some overlap in social conservatism and tend to pull from the same recruitment pools. Plus given how police treat transwomen (particularly of color) and LGBT groups in general , having police marching in a pride parade when up to recently they were enforcing homophobic laws seems a bit backwards.

[–]DontThrowMeAway242[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sure but people change their attitudes, do they not? I mean, I'd bet that many of the people marching have been homophobic in their attitude previously. And I say that as someone who was homophobic as a child. That was kinda just, how it was. You'd probably struggle to find a Canadian police officer who has arrested someone for homosexual activity, seeing as it was decriminalised in the late 1960s.

[–]signal-zero -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's pinkwashing. What strides in policing have they made to cut down on hate crimes involving our community? How do they treat trans* sex-workers?

[–]theherpsHigh commander of the patriarchy 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

>making progress is bad, I wanna fight the police forever

commies pls go

[–]signal-zero -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

When good cops cease holding other cops accountable for misdeeds, they cease being good cops.

Marching in a pride parade doesn't suddenly mean substantive police reform has happened with respect to policies involving our community. All it means is that somebody in the higher ups of the police force has a good eye for optics.

[–]evilpenguin234Pokemon Master 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Robot Hugs did a good comic on this last week. What the police forces are essentially doing is the optics panel, while BLM wants them to go further and reach the activism panel

[–]theherpsHigh commander of the patriarchy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Literally every interaction I've had with the police they've been fair, even when they found me in a dress and heels, passed out drunk, lodged under a car (no, I don't recall how I got there).

Learn how to properly deal with police and watch how much easier things get.

[–]throwaway12345412 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, start shooting at them and then get someone to protest when they win the gunfight

[–]throwaway12345412 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I sure as fuck want the police marching side by side with everyone else in pride. Not all gay people are left of Pol Pot