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Unpopular opinions thread [July edition] (self.reddevils)

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I think this Mou will eventually drop Rooney from the first team in the upcoming season. If not, I'm afraid Wayne will become our own Gerrard from his last years at LFC, a club's 'icon' shoehorned into the first team, despite declining form which will hold us back

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[–]brappoRVN 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Genuinely feel we can get Pogba.

[–]ElocOfTheNorth 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If Real dont move for him, and we can stump up the cash, then there really isnt much saying we wouldnt sign him, is there?

[–]ri0t333Januzaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We may have the cash and Real may not move for him, but is he willing to move back here without CL football?

[–]MrD3athGiggsy 33ポイント34ポイント  (8子コメント)

Mkhitaryan's stats have been inflated because BVB were playing some of the best attacking football in the world at the time. He is not going to produce/score nearly as many goals for a team in transition.

However, he is surely a big upgrade to our right wing.

[–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's the big question; does Mkhi have great stats because the team plays so well, or does the team play so well partly because of Mkhi? Can be asked of many players arriving on our shores lately. However, you can't deny Jose's eye for an attacking player

[–]shtzkriegMartial 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not like he was alone. Aubameyang was one of the best strikers in Europe last season and arguably the season prior to that. Not to mention Marco Reus is on the other wing. He's an improvement on our right wing, but I'm not so sure he'll be the godsend winger this sub has hyped him to be. He will need to adjust to a new team, coach, league, and country. That won't happen overnight, and if he struggles at first we shouldn't be shocked.

[–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The more I think about it, the more I think he'll play him as a 10. There could be more than 1 more signing after him

[–]kwonster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right. I'm afraid he isn't particularly fast like Mata. I'm very curious as to how he'll play. Could be either a big success or big failure imo. We do have runners in Martial and Rashford, as well as big targets like Ibra so he does have the tools to make it a success.

[–]_jdams 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a silly way of thinking. What it shows is that he is capable of being one of a core set of players playing the worlds best attack. That in and of itself is a huge compliment to him. If martial Ibra and he can gel, it means he won't necessarily be a weak link holding the two of them back

[–]tocitusMemphis 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not all that worried about Mkhi - I keep reading from Dortmund fans about how he's a one season wonder (ever since he left anyway...) but he's always been a good player, apart from one season at Dortmund under Klopp when everything went to shit for them.

At Shaktar he was good, at Dortmund he was good and then shit and then great.

At Utd he'll be good - I don't think he'll set the world alight and be top of assists/goals but I think he'll be a hard-working winger who'll be perfect for counter-attacking football.

[–]zapv 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't disagree that his goals and assists stats are probably inflated. I don't think the rest of his stats are at all inflated though. He's genuinely a world class dribbler and chance creator who puts in a great defensive shift.

[–]berzerkerzCarrick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was because of Mkhitaryan. You should see the amount of chances his teammates wasted, especially Aubameyang who made it a habit to shoot directly at the keeper from less than 10 meters out like he did right before Mkhitaryan scored against Liverpool.

[–]TanqPhilWoodward! 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Constant demands that mods ban something is stupid. Reddit provides a mechanism for users to curate what they want to see and what they don't want to see: upvotes and downvotes. If the sub as am a whole likes something, it will be upvoted and more posts of that kind will appear. The opposite when it is disliked and downvoted.

Imho, screaming for bans is saying that what YOU want is more important than the rest of the community in the sub. When the mods do it, it is obviously going against the majority in the sub.

[–]jayhovagoldnovaMartial 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This argument is constantly used and is a very poor one. /r/askscience is possibly the best subreddit on the site. Why? Because it is heavily moderated to keep out people who aren't interested in the sub and just repost puns for karma. Quite a few subs have tried weeks with zero moderation, and they have all proven how bad things get if voting is the only form of curation.

If the mods of this sub (and pretty much any other) didn't remove posts, 90% of the content would be memes, pun threads, reposts, spam, and hackneyed "jokes". I only browse the new page of this sub and I think sometimes people need to see how bad some of the posts are that don't make it to the hot page are. Trust me, if automod was turned off for a day and the mods didn't visit the mod queue, you'd see exactly why every good subreddit has a strong pool of moderators.

Additionally, upvotes don't really represent anything. A lot of unmoderated niche subs die because people post content unrelated to the niche and it gets upvoted to the top of the page. The posts are full of comments asking why it has been upvoted, but when a sub hits /r/all it's less and less likely that people will care about which sub that pretty picture was posted to.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with British politics. Think of the mods as the House Of Lords. Posts are submitted, much as laws are. These are voted upon by the House Of Commons (us as users). After that, they are scrutinised by the House Of Lords (mods) who determine their fitness. It exists to prevent poorly thought out laws (posts) from reaching the public.

[–]SmoothMarble 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Herrera has been awful so far. I was extremely excited when he signed but I don't think he's up to it. Trying your best doesn't get you a pass at United

[–]danskzwag 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

Rooney is average in all positions he plays

[–]Kambei1311 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

A lot of denial about his level of decline at the moment.

[–]BloodyMess111 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't understand why this sub is so defensive when discussing our own players.

[–]johnsom3Ronaldo 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jack of all trades master of none

[–]The96thPoetRemember the name, Waaayne Rooooney 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you mean this past season or two then sure.

But you're having a fucking laugh if you don't think Rooney used to be an absolutely world class striker.

[–]Takley -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sub is an absolute fucking joke when it comes to Rooney

[–]Phase_SpacedBrave Mou World 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

My hope is that Mou has the balls to be the guy to drop Rooney... or at least reduce his amount of time on the pitch.

[–]BloodyMess111 34ポイント35ポイント  (43子コメント)

Rooney - Not our best centre mid (or even second best). Not our best no.10. Not our best striker. Stop trying to shoe horn him in to the team. His place is on the bench.

[–]ZlatanMourinho 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Rooney is a confidence player. He plays better when he thinks the team can win. I know this sounds strange but that's what I've noticed over the years.

He's also better as a support player than a main man. He was great playing being RVN where he can be free of the burden of producing the goods. I see Zlatan as the player who can bring out the best in Rooney, who should play as number 10 this season.

[–]BloodyMess111 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

If he only plays well when he THINKS the team can win the captaincy should be taken off him immediately

[–]ZlatanMourinho 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sports psychology is a thing, no matter how many of you prefer to ignore it. It's a big reason why LVG failed, and THE reason why SAF has been so successful over the years compared to other managers.

[–]BloodyMess111 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know it's a thing. I would've thought my comment made that obvious. If the man you look to lead your team only does so effectively when he thinks you can win he's no leader that I would follow. Every time he has a shit game he's basically saying "we can't win this one boys"

I refer you to Roy Keane in Turin, 1999. THAT is a captain.

[–]Launch_a_poo -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney has been a great captain. You seen him consoling the players after England's Iceland loss and you've heard stories of his speech before the Man City game etc.

His place in the team is up for debate but most would agree he's been a good captain

[–]benitinRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I on the other hand think Rooney plays better when things are going tough, he loves a good fight.

Some of his best seasons has been when we didn't win the league for example 2009-10, 2010-11, Moyes season partially.

I'm not trying to say he only plays good when things are tough he has performed very well & consistently throughout his career at utd & have won us many trophies, I'm just saying he never backs down from a fight & almost enjoys it more, Fa Cup final is an very recent & good example of that.

[–]Launch_a_poo 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Who's our best #10 then if not Rooney (I'm assuming Mkhitaryan was bought to play RW)?

[–]BloodyMess111 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Seriously? Rooney is a terrible number 10! I really don't get what people on here see that I'm not when they suggest he should be our 10. Mata, for starters is a far better 10. Mkhitaryan is a better 10. Herrera would be a better choice at 10 than Rooney. He possesses none of the attributes necassary to be effective in that position. He's been tried there many times and it never works.

[–]Launch_a_poo -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I disagree, the position allows him to make late runs into the box and also drop back into midfield and play diagonals to the wings. It's a simple tactic but it works and he can produce goals there.

Mata has his strengths but he needs to play penetrating passes more often and needs to be stronger at retaining the ball under pressure. Herrera hasn't shown too much since he's joined us IMO

[–]Tech-Kid96Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If that's the case he's better off as a CM. Rooney's lack of close dribbling skill or ability to open the defense makes him an incompetent 10. Long passes to the wings is not what a 10 should look to do all the time. David Silva, Hazard, Ozil, Cazorla, Eriksen, etc. they're the type of players we should look for in a 10.

[–]ciswhitegaymale 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Memphis as well, should be on the bench.

[–]Takley -2ポイント-1ポイント  (19子コメント)

Not our best centre mid (or even second best)

Yet performed better in CM than any of the rest of them last season, in his first real try, whilst shifting positions in the middle of the season.. so..

Not our best no.10

Yet continued to get double digits in goals and assist when playing and others who played instead didnt.Who is instead? Mata? Dont make me laugh. Herrera? Even more laughable.

Not our best striker

Same as above previously. Thing obviously change now hence why we arent asking him to play as our CF.

[–]BloodyMess111 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

Do you actually watch games? He's had a fucking terrible season.

[–]Takley -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol there's only one person here who clearly didnt watch his midfield games

[–]ireallyamsomethingRooney -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Did you only watch the first half of the season?

[–]BloodyMess111 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Lol, no I watched the second "half" as well where he lost his place to an 18 year old and was desperately being shoe horned in to positions he can't play.

[–]ireallyamsomethingRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Okay, that clearly shows you're biased. He had a poor 2015, but he had a brilliant start to 2016. Scored and assisted around 10 goals I guess in a month. A few Man of the match performances..then got injured. And after he returned he was routinely one of the best players even while playing CM(becoming a crucial part of our FA cup victory).

People were going crazy with their criticisms of Rooney here last year, some even wanting to sell him in the January transfer window, which disappeared slowly and turned to praise in 2016 (when Fellaini became the scapegoat)..now that is a pretty big evidence too of how much he improved this year.

[–]BloodyMess111 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The acceptance of mediocrity is really sad these days.

[–]ireallyamsomethingRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because that's where the club is at this stage. If we had world class midfielders Rooney probably wouldn't be deserving a place there.

[–]BloodyMess111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have average midfielders and Rooney still doesn't deserve to be in there!

[–]The96thPoetRemember the name, Waaayne Rooooney -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who was better at CM? Basti was largely injured and there's no way you could say Herrera or Carrick played better. So that only leaves Schneiderlin

[–]BloodyMess111 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like I'm losing my mind here.

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Nope, Carrick was our best midfield performer.

[–]HuzaifaElahiTony Henry 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last season? no chance

[–]The96thPoetRemember the name, Waaayne Rooooney -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck?

[–]Takley -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nope, he wasnt, carrick was bang average for most of the season

[–]harps86Carrick 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

He was. But unfortunately for us he was still our best CM.

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bang average for most of the season but still our best midfield performer. Our midfield was shit in general last season.

[–]iflythewafflecopterSpanish Llama 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think a lot of Rooney's favour is less to do with his performance on the pitch and more to do with what he contributes to the locker room and as a leader.

[–]bertonomusMartial Law -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm of the opinion that Rooney has one more season in him sitting right behind the striker/forwards. His work rate is remarkable. I don't think any other player has the downright hunger he has other than maybe Martial and Rashford. He's also one of the best passers of the ball, very Scholeslike imo. So for me, this coming season I can definitely still see him as our captain and a starter.

[–]BloodyMess111 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, his passing is fucking horrendous. Don't let 1 out of 5 successful Hollywood balls fool you into thinking he's some sort of Pirlo. And please, don't ever, ever, compare Rooney to Scholes.

[–]shihvvbSchneiderlin 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Darmian is a good RB. Before attacking, a RB should know how to defend which Rafael did not know.

[–]lazyassedartistTier -1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Mkhitaryan could be a great combo with Darmian, Mkhi's defensive abilities will allow Darmian to roam forward and hopefully improve his attacking while Darmian's defensive prowess will mean Mkhi can drift into the 10 position intermittently without worrying about about leaving the right flank too exposed

[–]kw9403Rooney -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this popular saying of the week

[–]HuzaifaElahiTony Henry 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just using one rival as a relative example: Xhaka, a fit Wilshere, Ramsey, Ozil and Cazorla all waltz into our midfield - that says all you need to know as to whether a midfield signing is needed or not.

[–]craigybachaManchester United -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even Coutinho and Firminho would... we definitely need a quality central mid or 10.

[–]Launch_a_poo 23ポイント24ポイント  (20子コメント)

I think Rooney is still good and should start regularly

[–]mufcirclejerk 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

Genuinely curious as to what in the last 2 years has convinced you of this.

[–]kw9403Rooney 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

I wouldn't say I think he deserves it but logically I think he we'll be a guarenteed starter under Mourinho no matter what

[–]ZlatanMourinho 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

He's a perfect Mourinho player, who expects his attackers to have high work rate and help out defensively. It's a big reason why he wanted Rooney so badly 3 seasons back.

[–]johnsom3Ronaldo 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

THREE SEASONS ago.

[–]kw9403Rooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be fair even 3 seasons back people were saying Rooney was past it, so its not exactly like much has changed

[–]Born2Kill_Memphis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really, he was the only one trying during the 13-14 season.

[–]kw9403Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When Mourinho enquired him wasn't that the season we bought RVP?

[–]arron77 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Probably the fact he is one the top for producing goals and assists, his leadership, the fact he actually gives a fuck, experience. The list goes on, get rid of experienced players who understand the club and see what happened to Arsenal.

[–]mufcirclejerk 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

he is one the top for producing goals and assists

In a team which has finished 7th, 4th, and 5th he's good enough to start. For a team which wants to win the Champions League, he should not start.

his leadership

Come off it. He's not exactly Keane or Vidic.

the fact he actually gives a fuck

Eh?

experience

Yeah that served him well against Iceland.

[–]BloodyMess111 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

10 shit games and 1 good one is more than enough it would seem.

I am shocked, shocked, how overboard people are going about these "dominating" centre midfield performances. I must've looked down at my phone when that was happening.

[–]Takley -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ye but who cares about goals and assists, his passing isnt perfect so he has to be dropped

[–]TheFormidableGiantRooney 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's had one good month in those two years. January 2016. Madness

[–]BloodyMess111 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

This isn't an unpopular opinion. You get chased out of here with pitch forks for suggesting otherwise.

[–]Launch_a_poo 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your comment saying he should be on the bench has more upvotes though and looking around the thread there are plenty of other posts with upvotes saying he is average.

The opinion he should start is definitely the unpopular one

[–]BloodyMess111 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends what time of day you comment...

[–]Complexitylvl9001 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

On Rooney, I think Mou had to guarantee him a first team position didn't he?

[–]WaxTaxMax 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where did you get that from?

[–]Complexitylvl9001 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

http://www.punditarena.com/football/ckelleher/jose-mourinho-contacts-wayne-rooney-assurance-hell-remain-uniteds-top-man/

[–]BloodyMess111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You said Mourinho was told to assure Rooney of a first team place. This doesn't say that at all.

[–]WaxTaxMax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It says Mourinho called and assured Rooney a role in the team. Where does it say that Mou had to guarantee a first team position to Rooney?

[–]PX44 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Darmian isn't considered good enough at RB for us because his offensive contributions are found lacking, but we should focus on the primary role for the position, which is defensive, where he is fine.

The only reason his offensive contributions became so important, was because of 1) how LVG sets up teams to play, but really, 2) we've had shit all for wingers for the past season - Lingard and Mata are not very good, and we have finally grabbed somebody that could be a credible threat without pulling defensive players up the pitch.

[–]tiger1296Masturbinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The modern fullback I'd abiut balancing attack and defence, darmian is like two generations too late for his position.

[–]FlyingSnoopyPaul Scholes, he scores goals! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ivanovic never did a very good job on the attack and was excellent under Mourinho. Zanetti was basically a third centre half under him too.

[–]wet4wet4sergioMartial 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Selling Mata to Everton is a huge mistake and will come to bite us back in the arse.

[–]the_special_juan -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm genuinely worried that we're going to sell him to Everton and he will hit his peak. I mean, in most cases, it's around 28-ish right?

[–]The96thPoetRemember the name, Waaayne Rooooney 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even so, it's only Everton mate.

[–]pearlz176The Ginger Prince 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

How dare you?! With their new sugar daddy, they can win the Champions League this season imo.

[–]BertrandRusJose Mourinho 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

idk if this is popular or unpopular but I think Rooney isn't good enough at midfield for us. He might hit those cross-fields balls and from time to time play an ok through ball but in spite of all that, he's just painfully average when it comes to the basics i.e controlling the ball, dribbling and basic passes

E: (Is this an opinion?) I think people are over exaggerating the Mourinho-Rooney love story. I think once Mourinho realizes the glaring weaknesses of Rooney which can't be ignored when it comes to being a CM, he'll drop him to the bench and play him like Schweinsteiger has been played in the Euros (coming off the bench to see off games)

[–]BloodyMess111 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, Mourinho won't give a shit about Rooney if he doesn't perform. He liked him once, so what? He's chased Gerrard for years, does that mean we're going to sign him? No. Rooney is looking more and more like he is on a downward spiral. He's only 30, but he's been playing at the top level for 15 years now, and it's starting to show.

[–]mrpiggywinkles52Rooney 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Funny how peoples moods to Rooney have changed from his end of the season performances where people were calling him our best CM and Especially during the good games for England, one game has completely changed the opinion of him.

[–]BloodyMess111 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No it hasn't. If you look through the comments of most on here calling Rooney average you'll see their criticism is consistent. They may not have said it as much as this sub generally can't take criticism.

[–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rooney plays well in CM under no pressure, but I can't see him transforming into a Scholes. Scholes' magic wasn't just his passing range and ability, but his choice of passing. He controlled the tempo of the game, and was the conductor of our attacking tempo. Can't see Rooney growing into that role. It's easier to see that watching him play internationally rather than in a post match thread where the result generally dictates peoples moods and opinions

[–]mrpiggywinkles52Rooney -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think he'll be scholes but I think if given the chance he could be a great box to box midfielder, what games have we seen him under pressure? Leicester and Iceland, he did great in the Leicester match not so much against Iceland, 50/50. Your judging a player based on 2 matches and the match where he played badly the entire team had a bad night apart from Rashford, I'm sorry but that match is not enough to base a decision on. Neither is the Leicester game, the jury is still out on Rooney, people here are acting as if he has no chance.

[–]WaxTaxMax -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Now anyone who's in support for Rooney in this thread is getting downvoted as well.

[–]mrpiggywinkles52Rooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which given that it is an Unpopular opinions thread...

[–]jza792Martial 10ポイント11ポイント  (17子コメント)

I don't think we should sign Pogba.

[–]mufcirclejerk 10ポイント11ポイント  (12子コメント)

Why not?

[–]BloodyMess111 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We have 10 average centre midfielders, why do we need one world class one..."

[–]jza792Martial 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes the fee like others have said but i just think its embarrassing to break the transfer record on a player we let go on a free. Another thing is that i feel Pogba plays best in a 3 man midfield.

[–]TanqPhilWoodward! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we get Pogba, we are probably playing a 433.

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's been reported in L'Equipe that Jose envisions a 4-3-3 with Pogba, Rooney and another in the mid.

[–]epicboarMata -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

the fee

[–]redaleksJose Mourinho 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's not our money and the club has more of it than they know what to do with. Pogba is already a top midfielder and only improving, he's well worth it.

[–]ZlatanMourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's not our money

I've seen this argument a lot and I disagree. It's still the club's money and our success depends on how effectively we use it. We can't go around spending 100m on one player and neglecting other areas of the squad. Pogba isn't a once in a lifetime player where we could justify spending this kind of money. He's great, but not 100m great.

[–]Savage9645Rooney 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

But still £100m isn't that much for us. We make £120m a year on just our kit sponsorships and we will also be selling players this window. We can sign Pogba and still strengthen other areas.

[–]ZlatanMourinho -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We're still lacking in depth in many areas, which will be one of Mourinho's key concerns as he prefers 2 reliable players for every position. We might have a ton of money but spending half our transfer budget on one player means we sacrifice depth in other areas.

[–]johnsom3Ronaldo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You aren't getting for much money the club has right now. We don't have a transfer but budget when players like Pogba become available. The club doesn't have to sacrifice anything anymore.

[–]redaleksJose Mourinho 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Neglecting other areas of the squad? We've already brought in a CB, a striker, and a right winger. Buying Pogba has not and will not (if it were to happen, which I tend to believe it won't) prevent the club from buying talent for other areas of the pitch, seeing as the club has plenty of money to go around.

[–]mgoblue5472Jose Mourinho -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

The price of pogba is what would bother me. Feel like we can use that kind of money more efficiently

[–]OhHayJohn 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pogba would sort out a major weakness and give us a star. I don't see how buying three average to good players (the like of Herrera, Rojo etc) would be better business than getting a world class player like Pogba, who would make us a far, far better team.

[–]tocitusMemphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly this. Who else are we going to buy? Andre Gomes for £30m? He seems so inconsistent whenever I've watched him.

Would much rather the club smash out £100m on Pogba who stays for 3-4 years and helps to attract other stars too.

[–]Victoria_Lucas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pogba is 23 and could be our midfield general for 10 years. £100 million is worth it.

[–]BadApplePineappleDe Gea 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Definitely not unpopular but I don't want Rooney in our first XI next season. I don't think he's good enough to be our CAM or CM. I hope Jose will buy a CAM and CM (I know Jose wants Pogba but I'm perfectly fine if he wants to use Herrera next season as long it's not Rooney in midfield) this summer. It's time to move on from Rooney. And I don't think Jose likes Rooney as much as he did couple of years ago. Hopefully we will see a new player behind Zlatan this summer.

[–]mu_37 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

he needs to learn from the other greats before him and accept being on the bench,Rooney is not the kind of player who accepts that and this is the big problem IMO.

[–]IDespot90Jose Mourinho 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

As 300 k per week player Rooney should be world best and he is not even league best.

[–]danskzwag 8ポイント9ポイント  (14子コメント)

Sanches and TFM are similar and we really haven't lost out on signing him

[–]TanqPhilWoodward! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will go a step further: the majority of supporters didn't want him, especially at 80M, until Bayern bought him.

[–]omegaxLoLAnder Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

As someone who's watched both of them play very frequently (even more Sanches games), they could not be any more different in the role they both play.

[–]danskzwag -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but they have the same strengths and weaknesses both are strong and athletic , both have poor positioning and passing

[–]BloodyMess111 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Similar in that they're both young and black? Because otherwise, positionally, I'm not seeing it. Both high calibre youngsters sure, but totally different players for me.

[–]danskzwag 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

One is a cm and one a b2b apart from both have similar positives and negatives

[–]BloodyMess111 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

TFM is a cb/dm

[–]danskzwag 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's also played at 10 and right back even he said he doesn't know what his position is

[–]DelTrottervan Nistelrooy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

His talent reminds me of Seedorf, has a wonderful presence on the pitch for a kid. Bargain for Bayern imo.

[–]HuzaifaElahiTony Henry 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

  1. Different types of players

  2. Sanches has shown more ability and potential than TFM, by acres (not arguing that he's had more game time but it doesn't change that fact)

Its a pointless argument at the end of the day, they are 18 and who knows what will happen. If you had to give me a chance to pick either though, I'd take Sanches and I don't think its too close.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

TFM doesn't have a fixed position yet Sanches is a tank and athletic ball winner, so is TFM both have poor positioning and end product im not fussed that we lost out

[–]zapv -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly, I don't think Sanches will ever be world class. He's a physical beast, but his technical quality doesn't impress me.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

People don't get this what Sanches has to learn doesn't come easy his positional discipline and passing are average

[–]omegaxLoLAnder Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good thing he's 18 then. He will become a great midfielder under Ancelotti, and is a tremendous player for his age.

[–]danskzwag -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

no doubt but with the type of player he is he could also come very limited , plus we never know if he will kick on, plus a acl or knee injury could be devastating for a player like him

[–]yuma712Shaw 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't downvote in an unpopular opinion thread idiots.

[–]harps86Carrick 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that goes for comment replies.

[–]Lost_And_NotFoundJones -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you can downvote the popular opinions which seems to be what most people post. "Rooney's not good enough to play in midfield" that's not unpopular at all that's about what half of people think at least.

[–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

We do not have a leader; a Keane, a Vidic etc. and no amount of attacking talent will compensate for that in games where we're 1-0 down, playing shite and the lads need a bollocking.

[–]craigybachaManchester United 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I think Zlatan will bring some fire with him, and I hope that Smalling will be more vocal.

[–]the_special_juan 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think Basti is that type of player for us. It's a shame he's injury prone. I remember there was a game where up until his substitution, we were playing shambolically. He came on, and calmed everyone down.

[–]craigybachaManchester United 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem with Basti though is that he's hardly going to be fit.

[–]is-an-antRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

We shouldn't sell Mata, we're quite thin in the no.10 position when you think about it. Rooney is the only one, Ander maybe.. but I still see him as more of a cm than cam. we need someone to rotate with Wayne. I don't quite know the details but I think Jose sold mata to us because he had Oscar, and he wanted to develop him. or idk.. something like that. we don't have someone like Oscar rn. so unless James comes along. we should keep Juan around.

[–]IDespot90Jose Mourinho -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He cant play as no. 10 he is easy to defend and pushed out of game, lack agility and he is slow. Even his great technical ability cant be used because of weakness he got.

[–]Shaggydog__One Darren Fletcher. 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even with the signings of Mkhi, Bailly, and Zlatan, we'll still strugge to get into the top four if we have Herrera and Schneiderlin as our 1st choice midfielders.

[–]zapv 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still think Schneiderlin will come good for us, but I think most would agree we need another midfielder. Not a CAM, but a real midfielder. Pogba is still extremely unlikely in my opinion. In general proven midfielders are hard to come by and we've already missed out on a few.

[–]craigybachaManchester United 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I think Schneiderlin will come good, but Herrera is, unfortunately (as much as I like him) not the type of central midfeilder we need. We need a box to box Pogba type.

[–]Dawnriderdevil 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mourinho will play Mkhitaryan as a no.10, Valencia on the right and Rooney on the bench after the first few games.

[–]shtzkriegMartial 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not really sure when this became unpopular, but fellaini is poisonous to our team. He comes in, racks up fouls, sprays his passes all over the place, kills counters, but since he knocks a couple in the back of the net people on this sub bail him out. His mere presence encourages lazy football. He needs to go.

[–]mufcirclejerk 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

We're weak at right back. Valencia is hugely overrated by this sub and not good enough to wear the shirt. Hasn't been for a few years. Darmian might come good but isn't ready to start. Ditto Valera. Ditto TFM. We are desperately in need of a talented right back.

[–]kw9403Rooney 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know it'd anecdotal but since hes come back from his injury he's looked good enough. If not we have to trust in Darmian. You can't sign world beaters in every position and waiting a year or 2 for Darmian to reach his peak wouldn't be a bad idea. Darmian isn't bad enough to ride the bench and we might as well sell him if that's the plan, how else would he develop

[–]tamasuperstarDe Gea 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's also being very harsh on Tony V, he's definitely fit to wear the shirt.

[–]CosmicGravyMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

While he has been good since his return, people seem to have forgotten how poor Valencia was prior to his injury. He's not getting any younger so depending on him to play like that week in week out would be foolish. I will put my faith in Darmian to come good again under Jose as I feel he is a vastly better RB than Valencia.

[–]ZlatanMourinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Darmian is good enough. He hasn't settled because there was no consistent/competent winger in front of him all season. Plus he's been played at left back and occasionally centerback too which further disrupts his natural game.

[–]omegaxLoLAnder Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I found it funny how Valencia suddenly became Mourinho's dream RB according to a lot of people in this subreddit after Jose was announced. I like Valencia but dream RB? Come on...

[–]Shaggydog__One Darren Fletcher. 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think we might see Bailly at RB next season. It's just a hunch that I have, and he has played full back before for Villarreal.

[–]arron77 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doubt it, Mourinho will love Tony V, he is a work horse who follows orders without question.

[–]Shaggydog__One Darren Fletcher. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like I said it's just a hunch. I'd be happy to see either Tony or Darmian there, whoever Mourinho chooses.

[–]Complexitylvl9001 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like egos will clash one way or another with Rooney and Ibra this year, I know Ibra talks about the massive respect he has for Rooney and how he's world class, but Idk if they'll click.

[–]AdnanJanuzaj11Januzaj 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Rooney has always managed to work with other players. Even van Persie. They might not have passed to each other very much but they only played for one year under Fergie and didn't have the time to develop a chemistry yet. Also Rooney missed significant parts of that season due to injury.

Just look at Rooney's ball to van Persie against Aston Villa.

[–]Oblivion2510The a 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Paul Pogba is overrated.

We need another CB and an auxiliary Full back

We need a creative midfielder

[–]fairlyrandomDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We should keep Mata, even if he probably won't start every game, he has qualities and I want to see him play outside of LvG's system again.

For some reason I just feel that if he goes to Everton, he'll do really well, probably against us aswell.

[–]gabokike99not LVG 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully he won't do the StevieG slip up.

[–]DelTrottervan Nistelrooy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% agree OP. Rooney only did well in CM vs easy systems. Reduce his time on the ball and he will be mediocre. His touch, speed of thought and short passing is too crap to play midfield.

[–]craigybachaManchester United 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really hope Mata goes to Everton and I'd bite their hands off for £20-25mil.

[–]Wthelicopt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We need to sign another defender.

[–]Necromanc3rRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Herrera doesn't have the quality to succeed at United.

[–]erfanPFellaini's Chest 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

3 of the top 4 comments read:

Rooney is bad. Rooney is good. Rooney is average.

What even is an unpopular opinion anymore?

[–]An0therkShaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If Rooney can't play as a striker then he shouldn't start in our first team

[–]craigybachaManchester United 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Carrick is over the hill. People saying that he should start for us this year do not understand the fast pace of the Premier League. This, with Basti's injury proneness means we desperately need a central midfielder, else we'll struggle to get top 4.

[–]SmokognitoPark Ji-Sung 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Smalling is the most overrated player in the prem.

[–]ElocOfTheNorth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel he has been solid for us. Not a world beater, by any means, but certainly good enough to be receiving alot of the praise he gets. Why do you feel he's overrated?

[–]arron77 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He gets next to no praise outsipde of the Utd fanbase...

[–]craigybachaManchester United 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Playing alongside a small central midfielder in defence for the last year I think he's done very, very well.

[–]ReflectingGodMata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • Schneiderlin is our best midfielder. He was one of the best midfielders in the Prem for Southampton and a few poor games and the fans turn on him.

  • I know there have been many comments about Rooney so far but it's ridiculous how people have forgotten just how bad Rooney was last season. He improved but consistently put in the worst performances I've seen in a United shirt for the first 19 games. He wasn't exactly setting the world alight the season before.

  • Carrick was appalling when played last season outside that City match. The massive hard-on pundits have for him makes most matches unbearable to watch. He can't be relied on to stay fit. We shouldn't have extended and instead give players like Timbo a chance instead.

  • Martial is great on the left but why are people so certain that's where he is going to stay. He has played equally well as a striker which is the position he says he prefers. Good wingers are everywhere, top strikers are not. Just look at Arsenal. Too add, the chances of Rashford leading the line in 3 years time are slim.

  • Signing Pogba, even if it means breaking the transfer record would be a good idea. Very low risk transfer and we'd be getting the best part out of a decade for a Balon d'Or contender. If we were to sell him later on, we'd make most of the money back on the transfer.

  • I'm not overly impressed on the signing of Baily. Manolas is the far better defender with better technical ability and less mistake prone. He is still only 24 also.