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Unpopular opinions thread [July edition] (self.reddevils)

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I think this Mou will eventually drop Rooney from the first team in the upcoming season. If not, I'm afraid Wayne will become our own Gerrard from his last years at LFC, a club's 'icon' shoehorned into the first team, despite declining form which will hold us back

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[–]MrD3athGiggsy 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mkhitaryan's stats have been inflated because BVB were playing some of the best attacking football in the world at the time. He is not going to produce/score nearly as many goals for a team in transition.

However, he is surely a big upgrade to our right wing.

[–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the big question; does Mkhi have great stats because the team plays so well, or does the team play so well partly because of Mkhi? Can be asked of many players arriving on our shores lately. However, you can't deny Jose's eye for an attacking player

[–]zapv 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't disagree that his goals and assists stats are probably inflated. I don't think the rest of his stats are at all inflated though. He's genuinely a world class dribbler and chance creator who puts in a great defensive shift.

[–]tocitusMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not all that worried about Mkhi - I keep reading from Dortmund fans about how he's a one season wonder (since he left anyway... bitter) but he's always been a good player, apart from one season at Dortmund under Klopp when everything went to shit for them.

At Shaktar he was good, at Dortmund he was good and then shit and then great.

At Utd he'll be good - I don't think he'll set the world alight and be top of assists/goals but I think he'll be a hard-working winger who'll be perfect for counter-attacking football.

[–]BloodyMess111 17ポイント18ポイント  (14子コメント)

Rooney - Not our best centre mid (or even second best). Not our best no.10. Not our best striker. Stop trying to shoe horn him in to the team. His place is on the bench.

[–]Takley 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not our best centre mid (or even second best)

Yet performed better in CM than any of the rest of them last season, in his first real try, whilst shifting positions in the middle of the season.. so..

Not our best no.10

Yet continued to get double digits in goals and assist when playing and others who played instead didnt.Who is instead? Mata? Dont make me laugh. Herrera? Even more laughable.

Not our best striker

Same as above previously. Thing obviously change now hence why we arent asking him to play as our CF.

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nope, Carrick was our best midfield performer.

[–]HuzaifaElahiTony Henry -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last season? no chance

[–]Takley -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, he wasnt, carrick was bang average for most of the season

[–]ZlatanMourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Rooney is a confidence player. He plays better when he thinks the team can win. I know this sounds strange but that's what I've noticed over the years.

He's also better as a support player than a main man. He was great playing being RVN where he can be free of the burden of producing the goods. I see Zlatan as the player who can bring out the best in Rooney, who should play as number 10 this season.

[–]BloodyMess111 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

If he only plays well when he THINKS the team can win the captaincy should be taken off him immediately

[–]ZlatanMourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sports psychology is a thing, no matter how many of you prefer to ignore it. It's a big reason why LVG failed, and THE reason why SAF has been so successful over the years compared to other managers.

[–]thecricketnerdSmalling -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's kind of our Muller. Not the best at anything necessarily but his presence very often is uplifting.

[–]BloodyMess111 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Didn't seem to be that uplifting the last 2 seasons.

[–]thecricketnerdSmalling -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not like we were splendid without him.

[–]bertonomusMartial Law -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm of the opinion that Rooney has one more season in him sitting right behind the striker/forwards. His work rate is remarkable. I don't think any other player has the downright hunger he has other than maybe Martial and Rashford. He's also one of the best passers of the ball, very Scholeslike imo. So for me, this coming season I can definitely still see him as our captain and a starter.

[–]iflythewafflecopterSpanish Llama -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think a lot of Rooney's favour is less to do with his performance on the pitch and more to do with what he contributes to the locker room and as a leader.

[–]Launch_a_poo -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who's our best #10 then if not Rooney (I'm assuming Mkhitaryan was bought to play RW)?

[–]BloodyMess111 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously? Rooney is a terrible number 10! I really don't get what people on here see that I'm not when they suggest he should be our 10. Mata, for starters is a far better 10. Mkhitaryan is a better 10. Herrera would be a better choice at 10 than Rooney. He possesses none of the attributes necassary to be effective in that position. He's been tried there many times and it never works.

[–]jza792Martial 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

I don't think we should sign Pogba.

[–]mufcirclejerk 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

Why not?

[–]BloodyMess111 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We have 10 average centre midfielders, why do we need one world class one..."

[–]epicboarMata 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

the fee

[–]redaleksJose Mourinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not our money and the club has more of it than they know what to do with. Pogba is already a top midfielder and only improving, he's well worth it.

[–]ZlatanMourinho 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not our money

I've seen this argument a lot and I disagree. It's still the club's money and our success depends on how effectively we use it. We can't go around spending 100m on one player and neglecting other areas of the squad. Pogba isn't a once in a lifetime player where we could justify spending this kind of money. He's great, but not 100m great.

[–]Savage9645Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

But still £100m isn't that much for us. We make £120m a year on just our kit sponsorships and we will also be selling players this window. We can sign Pogba and still strengthen other areas.

[–]ZlatanMourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're still lacking in depth in many areas, which will be one of Mourinho's key concerns as he prefers 2 reliable players for every position. We might have a ton of money but spending half our transfer budget on one player means we sacrifice depth in other areas.

[–]redaleksJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Neglecting other areas of the squad? We've already brought in a CB, a striker, and a right winger. Buying Pogba has not and will not (if it were to happen, which I tend to believe it won't) prevent the club from buying talent for other areas of the pitch, seeing as the club has plenty of money to go around.

[–]jza792Martial -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes the fee like others have said but i just think its embarrassing to break the transfer record on a player we let go on a free. Another thing is that i feel Pogba plays best in a 3 man midfield.

[–]TanqPhilWoodward! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we get Pogba, we are probably playing a 433.

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's been reported in L'Equipe that Jose envisions a 4-3-3 with Pogba, Rooney and another in the mid.

[–]mgoblue5472Jose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The price of pogba is what would bother me. Feel like we can use that kind of money more efficiently

[–]OhHayJohn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pogba would sort out a major weakness and give us a star. I don't see how buying three average to good players (the like of Herrera, Rojo etc) would be better business than getting a world class player like Pogba, who would make us a far, far better team.

[–]BertrandRusJose Mourinho 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

idk if this is popular or unpopular but I think Rooney isn't good enough at midfield for us. He might hit those cross-fields balls and from time to time play an ok through ball but in spite of all that, he's just painfully average when it comes to the basics i.e controlling the ball, dribbling and basic passes

E: (Is this an opinion?) I think people are over exaggerating the Mourinho-Rooney love story. I think once Mourinho realizes the glaring weaknesses of Rooney which can't be ignored when it comes to being a CM, he'll drop him to the bench and play him like Schweinsteiger has been played in the Euros (coming off the bench to see off games)

[–]BloodyMess111 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, Mourinho won't give a shit about Rooney if he doesn't perform. He liked him once, so what? He's chased Gerrard for years, does that mean we're going to sign him? No. Rooney is looking more and more like he is on a downward spiral. He's only 30, but he's been playing at the top level for 15 years now, and it's starting to show.

[–]PX44 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Darmian isn't considered good enough at RB for us because his offensive contributions are found lacking, but we should focus on the primary role for the position, which is defensive, where he is fine.

The only reason his offensive contributions became so important, was because of 1) how LVG sets up teams to play, but really, 2) we've had shit all for wingers for the past season - Lingard and Mata are not very good, and we have finally grabbed somebody that could be a credible threat without pulling defensive players up the pitch.

[–]danskzwag 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney is average in all positions he plays

[–]shihvvbSchneiderlin 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Darmian is a good RB. Before attacking, a RB should know how to defend which Rafael did not know.

[–]kw9403Rooney -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this popular saying of the week

[–]Launch_a_poo 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

I think Rooney is still good and should start regularly

EDIT: Replaced "deserves to" with "should"

[–]mufcirclejerk 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Genuinely curious as to what in the last 2 years has convinced you of this.

[–]kw9403Rooney 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wouldn't say I think he deserves it but logically I think he we'll be a guarenteed starter under Mourinho no matter what

[–]ZlatanMourinho -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's a perfect Mourinho player, who expects his attackers to have high work rate and help out defensively. It's a big reason why he wanted Rooney so badly 3 seasons back.

[–]arron77 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Probably the fact he is one the top for producing goals and assists, his leadership, the fact he actually gives a fuck, experience. The list goes on, get rid of experienced players who understand the club and see what happened to Arsenal.

[–]Takley -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ye but who cares about goals and assists, his passing isnt perfect so he has to be dropped

[–]BloodyMess111 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't an unpopular opinion. You get chased out of here with pitch forks for suggesting otherwise.

[–]Complexitylvl9001 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

On Rooney, I think Mou had to guarantee him a first team position didn't he?

[–]WaxTaxMax 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where did you get that from?

[–]Complexitylvl9001 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

http://www.punditarena.com/football/ckelleher/jose-mourinho-contacts-wayne-rooney-assurance-hell-remain-uniteds-top-man/

[–]BloodyMess111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You said Mourinho was told to assure Rooney of a first team place. This doesn't say that at all.

[–]WaxTaxMax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It says Mourinho called and assured Rooney a role in the team. Where does it say that Mou had to guarantee a first team position to Rooney?

[–]Complexitylvl9001 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like egos will clash one way or another with Rooney and Ibra this year, I know Ibra talks about the massive respect he has for Rooney and how he's world class, but Idk if they'll click.

[–]AdnanJanuzaj11Januzaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Rooney has always managed to work with other players. Even van Persie. They might not have passed to each other very much but they only played for one year under Fergie and didn't have the time to develop a chemistry yet. Also Rooney missed significant parts of that season due to injury.

Just look at Rooney's ball to van Persie against Aston Villa.

[–]TanqPhilWoodward! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Constant demands that mods ban something is stupid. Reddit provides a mechanism for users to curate what they want to see and what they don't want to see: upvotes and downvotes. If the sub as am a whole likes something, it will be upvoted and more posts of that kind will appear. The opposite when it is disliked and downvoted.

Imho, screaming for bans is saying that what YOU want is more important than the rest of the community in the sub. When the mods do it, it is obviously going against the majority in the sub.

[–]wet4wet4sergioMartial 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Selling Mata to Everton is a huge mistake and will come to bite us back in the arse.

[–]Shaggydog__One Darren Fletcher. 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even with the signings of Mkhi, Bailly, and Zlatan, we'll still strugge to get into the top four if we have Herrera and Schneiderlin as our 1st choice midfielders.

[–]zapv -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still think Schneiderlin will come good for us, but I think most would agree we need another midfielder. Not a CAM, but a real midfielder. Pogba is still extremely unlikely in my opinion. In general proven midfielders are hard to come by and we've already missed out on a few.

[–]yuma712Shaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't downvote in an unpopular opinion thread idiots.

[–]mufcirclejerk 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

We're weak at right back. Valencia is hugely overrated by this sub and not good enough to wear the shirt. Hasn't been for a few years. Darmian might come good but isn't ready to start. Ditto Valera. Ditto TFM. We are desperately in need of a talented right back.

[–]kw9403Rooney 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know it'd anecdotal but since hes come back from his injury he's looked good enough. If not we have to trust in Darmian. You can't sign world beaters in every position and waiting a year or 2 for Darmian to reach his peak wouldn't be a bad idea. Darmian isn't bad enough to ride the bench and we might as well sell him if that's the plan, how else would he develop

[–]tamasuperstarDe Gea 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's also being very harsh on Tony V, he's definitely fit to wear the shirt.

[–]CosmicGravyMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

While he has been good since his return, people seem to have forgotten how poor Valencia was prior to his injury. He's not getting any younger so depending on him to play like that week in week out would be foolish. I will put my faith in Darmian to come good again under Jose as I feel he is a vastly better RB than Valencia.

[–]Shaggydog__One Darren Fletcher. 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think we might see Bailly at RB next season. It's just a hunch that I have, and he has played full back before for Villarreal.

[–]arron77 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doubt it, Mourinho will love Tony V, he is a work horse who follows orders without question.

[–]Shaggydog__One Darren Fletcher. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like I said it's just a hunch. I'd be happy to see either Tony or Darmian there, whoever Mourinho chooses.

[–]ZlatanMourinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Darmian is good enough. He hasn't settled because there was no consistent/competent winger in front of him all season. Plus he's been played at left back and occasionally centerback too which further disrupts his natural game.

[–]danskzwag 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sanches and TFM are similar and we really haven't lost out on signing him

[–]BloodyMess111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Similar in that they're both young and black? Because otherwise, positionally, I'm not seeing it. Both high calibre youngsters sure, but totally different players for me.

[–]TanqPhilWoodward! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will go a step further: the majority of supporters didn't want him, especially at 80M, until Bayern bought him.

[–]HuzaifaElahiTony Henry 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. Different types of players

  2. Sanches has shown more ability and potential than TFM, by acres (not arguing that he's had more game time but it doesn't change that fact)

Its a pointless argument at the end of the day, they are 18 and who knows what will happen. If you had to give me a chance to pick either though, I'd take Sanches and I don't think its too close.

[–]zapv -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, I don't think Sanches will ever be world class. He's a physical beast, but his technical quality doesn't impress me.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People don't get this what Sanches has to learn doesn't come easy his positional discipline and passing are average

[–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

We do not have a leader; a Keane, a Vidic etc. and no amount of attacking talent will compensate for that in games where we're 1-0 down, playing shite and the lads need a bollocking.

[–]is-an-antRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We shouldn't sell Mata, we're quite thin in the no.10 position when you think about it. Rooney is the only one, Ander maybe.. but I still see him as more of a cm than cam. we need someone to rotate with Wayne. I don't quite know the details but I think Jose sold mata to us because he had Oscar, and he wanted to develop him. or idk.. something like that. we don't have someone like Oscar rn. so unless James comes along. we should keep Juan around.

[–]mrpiggywinkles52Rooney -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Funny how peoples moods to Rooney have changed from his end of the season performances where people were calling him our best CM and Especially during the good games for England, one game has completely changed the opinion of him.

[–]BloodyMess111 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No it hasn't. If you look through the comments of most on here calling Rooney average you'll see their criticism is consistent. They may not have said it as much as this sub generally can't take criticism.

[–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney plays well in CM under no pressure, but I can't see him transforming into a Scholes. Scholes' magic wasn't just his passing range and ability, but his choice of passing. He controlled the tempo of the game, and was the conductor of our attacking tempo. Can't see Rooney growing into that role. It's easier to see that watching him play internationally rather than in a post match thread where the result generally dictates peoples moods and opinions

[–]WaxTaxMax -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now anyone who's in support for Rooney in this thread is getting downvoted as well.