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Unpopular opinions thread [July edition] (self.reddevils)

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I think this Mou will eventually drop Rooney from the first team in the upcoming season. If not, I'm afraid Wayne will become our own Gerrard from his last years at LFC, a club's 'icon' shoehorned into the first team, despite declining form which will hold us back

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[–]BloodyMess111 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

Rooney - Not our best centre mid (or even second best). Not our best no.10. Not our best striker. Stop trying to shoe horn him in to the team. His place is on the bench.

[–]iflythewafflecopterSpanish Llama 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think a lot of Rooney's favour is less to do with his performance on the pitch and more to do with what he contributes to the locker room and as a leader.

[–]bertonomusMartial Law 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm of the opinion that Rooney has one more season in him sitting right behind the striker/forwards. His work rate is remarkable. I don't think any other player has the downright hunger he has other than maybe Martial and Rashford. He's also one of the best passers of the ball, very Scholeslike imo. So for me, this coming season I can definitely still see him as our captain and a starter.

[–]thecricketnerdSmalling -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's kind of our Muller. Not the best at anything necessarily but his presence very often is uplifting.

[–]BloodyMess111 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't seem to be that uplifting the last 2 seasons.

[–]danskzwag 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney is average in all positions he plays

[–]MrD3athGiggsy 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mkhitaryan's stats have been inflated because BVB were playing some of the best attacking football in the world at the time. He is not going to produce/score nearly as many goals for a team in transition.

However, he is surely a big upgrade to our right wing.

[–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the big question; does Mkhi have great stats because the team plays so well, or does the team play so well partly because of Mkhi? Can be asked of many players arriving on our shores lately. However, you can't deny Jose's eye for an attacking player

[–]zapv 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't disagree that his goals and assists stats are probably inflated. I don't think the rest of his stats are at all inflated though. He's genuinely a world class dribbler and chance creator who puts in a great defensive shift.

[–]PX44 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Darmian isn't considered good enough at RB for us because his offensive contributions are found lacking, but we should focus on the primary role for the position, which is defensive, where he is fine.

The only reason his offensive contributions became so important, was because of 1) how LVG sets up teams to play, but really, 2) we've had shit all for wingers for the past season - Lingard and Mata are not very good, and we have finally grabbed somebody that could be a credible threat without pulling defensive players up the pitch.

[–]jza792Martial 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't think we should sign Pogba.

[–]mufcirclejerk 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why not?

[–]BloodyMess111 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We have 10 average centre midfielders, why do we need one world class one..."

[–]epicboarMata 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

the fee

[–]redaleksJose Mourinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not our money and the club has more of it than they know what to do with. Pogba is already a top midfielder and only improving, he's well worth it.

[–]ZlatanMourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not our money

I've seen this argument a lot and I disagree. It's still the club's money and our success depends on how effectively we use it. We can't go around spending 100m on one player and neglecting other areas of the squad. Pogba isn't a once in a lifetime player where we could justify spending this kind of money. He's great, but not 100m great.

[–]jza792Martial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes the fee like others have said but i just think its embarrassing to break the transfer record on a player we let go on a free. Another thing is that i feel Pogba plays best in a 3 man midfield.

[–]mgoblue5472Jose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The price of pogba is what would bother me. Feel like we can use that kind of money more efficiently

[–]OhHayJohn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pogba would sort out a major weakness and give us a star. I don't see how buying three average to good players (the like of Herrera, Rojo etc) would be better business than getting a world class player like Pogba, who would make us a far, far better team.

[–]shihvvbSchneiderlin 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Darmian is a good RB. Before attacking, a RB should know how to defend which Rafael did not know.

[–]kw9403Rooney -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this popular saying of the week

[–]BertrandRusJose Mourinho 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

idk if this is popular or unpopular but I think Rooney isn't good enough at midfield for us. He might hit those cross-fields balls and from time to time play an ok through ball but in spite of all that, he's just painfully average when it comes to the basics i.e controlling the ball, dribbling and basic passes

E: (Is this an opinion?) I think people are over exaggerating the Mourinho-Rooney love story. I think once Mourinho realizes the glaring weaknesses of Rooney which can't be ignored when it comes to being a CM, he'll drop him to the bench and play him like Schweinsteiger has been played in the Euros (coming off the bench to see off games)

[–]BloodyMess111 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, Mourinho won't give a shit about Rooney if he doesn't perform. He liked him once, so what? He's chased Gerrard for years, does that mean we're going to sign him? No. Rooney is looking more and more like he is on a downward spiral. He's only 30, but he's been playing at the top level for 15 years now, and it's starting to show.

[–]Complexitylvl9001 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like egos will clash one way or another with Rooney and Ibra this year, I know Ibra talks about the massive respect he has for Rooney and how he's world class, but Idk if they'll click.

[–]Launch_a_poo 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

I think Rooney is still good and deserves to start regularly

[–]mufcirclejerk 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Genuinely curious as to what in the last 2 years has convinced you of this.

[–]kw9403Rooney 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't say I think he deserves it but logically I think he we'll be a guarenteed starter under Mourinho no matter what

[–]arron77 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably the fact he is one the top for producing goals and assists, his leadership, the fact he actually gives a fuck, experience. The list goes on, get rid of experienced players who understand the club and see what happened to Arsenal.

[–]BloodyMess111 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't an unpopular opinion. You get chased out of here with pitch forks for suggesting otherwise.

[–]Complexitylvl9001 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

On Rooney, I think Mou had to guarantee him a first team position didn't he?

[–]WaxTaxMax 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where did you get that from?

[–]Complexitylvl9001 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

http://www.punditarena.com/football/ckelleher/jose-mourinho-contacts-wayne-rooney-assurance-hell-remain-uniteds-top-man/

[–]BloodyMess111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You said Mourinho was told to assure Rooney of a first team place. This doesn't say that at all.

[–]WaxTaxMax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It says Mourinho called and assured Rooney a role in the team. Where does it say that Mou had to guarantee a first team position to Rooney?

[–]wet4wet4sergioMartial 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Selling Mata to Everton is a huge mistake and will come to bite us back in the arse.

[–]mufcirclejerk 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

We're weak at right back. Valencia is hugely overrated by this sub and not good enough to wear the shirt. Hasn't been for a few years. Darmian might come good but isn't ready to start. Ditto Valera. Ditto TFM. We are desperately in need of a talented right back.

[–]kw9403Rooney 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know it'd anecdotal but since hes come back from his injury he's looked good enough. If not we have to trust in Darmian. You can't sign world beaters in every position and waiting a year or 2 for Darmian to reach his peak wouldn't be a bad idea. Darmian isn't bad enough to ride the bench and we might as well sell him if that's the plan, how else would he develop

[–]tamasuperstarDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's also being very harsh on Tony V, he's definitely fit to wear the shirt.

[–]CosmicGravyMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

While he has been good since his return, people seem to have forgotten how poor Valencia was prior to his injury. He's not getting any younger so depending on him to play like that week in week out would be foolish. I will put my faith in Darmian to come good again under Jose as I feel he is a vastly better RB than Valencia.

[–]Shaggydog__One Darren Fletcher. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we might see Bailly at RB next season. It's just a hunch that I have, and he has played full back before for Villarreal.

[–]ZlatanMourinho 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Darmian is good enough. He hasn't settled because there was no consistent/competent winger in front of him all season. Plus he's been played at left back and occasionally centerback too which further disrupts his natural game.

[–]danskzwag 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sanches and TFM are similar and we really haven't lost out on signing him

[–]zapv 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, I don't think Sanches will ever be world class. He's a physical beast, but his technical quality doesn't impress me.

[–]Shaggydog__One Darren Fletcher. 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even with the signings of Mkhi, Bailly, and Zlatan, we'll still strugge to get into the top four if we have Herrera and Schneiderlin as our 1st choice midfielders.

[–]zapv 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still think Schneiderlin will come good for us, but I think most would agree we need another midfielder. Not a CAM, but a real midfielder. Pogba is still extremely unlikely in my opinion. In general proven midfielders are hard to come by and we've already missed out on a few.

[–]yuma712Shaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't downvote in an unpopular opinion thread idiots.

[–]mrpiggywinkles52Rooney -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny how peoples moods to Rooney have changed from his end of the season performances where people were calling him our best CM and Especially during the good games for England, one game has completely changed the opinion of him.