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Hanging up my spurs. Goodbye reddit moderating and goodbye /r/crappydesign. (self.solidwhetstone)

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EDIT 3: Final edit- I've decided to merely set the subreddit free rather than close it. See here for more info.

EDIT 2: I've opened up /r/crappydesign in read only mode for the next 24 hours so that the community can archive the content in whatever way they see fit.

EDIT: I have created a FAQ thread with answers to the most popular questions. I have done my best to answer even the harshest criticisms. You can read it here.

This was the video that was the tipping point. If LIVE THREADS are going to be censored from revealing the truth of what's going on on reddit- this place is doomed. (EDIT: It has come to light that the removals were due to the person updating the feed. Nevertheless- everything I say below still stands- reddit has been guilty of censorship throughout this debacle.)

I'm closing down /r/crappydesign permanently. The subreddit has 180k subscribers and generates 2M pageviews per month. I won't stand by and be responsible for revenue being generated that I believe stifles freedom of expression. I'm very sorry to the awesome community of /r/crappydesign. This subreddit was my baby. I grew it from subscriber one. We accomplished a lot over the past few years- and maybe even raised the social consciousness of creating better design. But I simply cannot in good conscience support reddit any longer.

I'm also stepping down from my position as moderator of /r/art which means my career as a default mod is over. The moderators over there voted to bring the subreddit back online and I allowed it because I believe the mod team should have consensus. I also gave them the option to vote me out (they voted unanimously to keep me) but that doesn't make me feel good about staying. /r/art generates around the same number of pageviews per month- 2M, and continuing to moderate there will mean I am complicit in the silencing of free expression.

I am going to start the annoying and arduous process of replacing my subreddit subscriptions with other places on the web that offer similar content. I've also turned adblock back on. I not only protest this recent action against Victoria- I protest what it represents- an attempt to stifle innovation, corporatize community discussions, and silence dissent. I am protesting this in the loudest ways I can by turning my back on reddit in the most extreme ways I know. It saddens me because I love reddit and I love these communities. But I want to set a good example that this is simply not acceptable. We need to leave this website.

Thank you all for the great memories- even you /r/conspiracy. Though you banished me, I hope I have proven that I am indeed not a shill by my actions ;)

Of course you will still see me around reddit from time to time. It's hard to leave. But you will see my ass as I attempt to leave and my middle fingers in the air.

Goodbye reddit moderation.

EDIT: Going to bed- thanks for the well wishings many of you. Feel free to leave more questions/comments and I'll get to them in the morning. Cheers.

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[–]Fishboxkuow 2210ポイント2211ポイント  (158子コメント)

I'm so proud that you are strong enough to stand up for what you believe in, good for you!

[–]Silent_sniper15 927ポイント928ポイント  (108子コメント)

Absolutely. Most mods caved after six hours. Good on OP for standing firm in what they feel is right. Someone around here needs to do it.

[–]_thedarkknight 370ポイント371ポイント  (77子コメント)

I wish more mods had standards like this guy.

Most of them are just useless.

[–]ShibaHook 296ポイント297ポイント  (66子コメント)

The mods of the defaults are afraid of the admins threatening to replace them. They fear that loss of power.

[–]LazyPancake 219ポイント220ポイント  (41子コメント)

I don't think it's necessarily always a fear of loss of power. Imagine you built up this great thing, for free, in your spare time. Then, someone comes and takes a shit on your face, removes your baby, and then you're just fucked and confused. Left with nothing but salty tears and injustice.

If they left the subs down, Reddit would find new mods. It's not hard. Finding good mods is hard. I, too, want to watch the world burn, but I see the practical side of why some of these subs brought themselves back, and I don't think it's a power grab.

[–]Kicken_ 72ポイント73ポイント  (29子コメント)

The Reddit admins (from first hand experience with krispykrackers, who I believe is now supposed to be handling community relations?) kind of have an attitude of any/every subreddit being theirs, no matter how much time, effort, or work you put in to it. And they really have no problem being insensitive about it. Sure the admins put in work for the back end and deserve credit for that, but they certainly let their ego blind them to others' efforts and contributions. In short, yes, you're right, from first hand experience.

[–]rafay_M 9ポイント10ポイント  (25子コメント)

Surely, they can't replace them all. The reddit default mods all having to be replaced at once would implode the site like digg.

Absolutely an unacceptable loss for the reddit admins. Right now they'll placate them, but over the long term, they will put thought into how to replace them. Or at least, to not allow their site literally destroyed by them. This blackout is a blatant show of power and reddit is not going to allow the mods to threaten the existance of reddit like that again.

[–]Let_you_down 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't think it matters much anyway. Most of us are just waiting for a certain place on the web to be ready to handle all the traffic.

[–]BurntPaper 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Voat.co for anybody out of the loop.

[–]IsaacM42 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aww, I just got here.

[–]prox_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (15子コメント)

That thought crossed my mind immediately after reading the subs which went private are public again, too. Pao's Reddit will undoubtedly move in the direction of limiting and diluting the power of mods, if it hasn't already.

Pao and the investors will not stand by as the mods seem to be a huge risk for future profits.

I saw a comment by a mod today where he told the option to make a sub private is already taken away from him (have to search which one it was, will edit later).

Edit2: it seems, being a mod is like before Blackout2015. Nothing has changed. I let this stand , so everyone knows what happened in this discussion.

Edit: Here is the mentioned post by a mod, /u/allthefoxes (mod of /r/pics, /r/circlejerk, /r/shutupandtakemymoney, /r/self, /r/theydidthemath): http://i.imgur.com/fxxVx7g.png

"... However, this is out of my control, I don't have the ability to edit subreddits settings anymore, somebody must have seen my antics and gotten a bit tired of it. ..."

Full comment of mod /u/allthefoxes (couldn't verify through comment history, seems to be deleted):

edit: Alright, we fucked up apparently, Sorry guys. To us, it doesn't make sense to stay private when our demands have been met.

We cannot reasonably wait and be private months for new mod tools, and we did not think people would want us to wait another arbitrary 12 hours. There is no backroom consensus on how long to stay dark, though a few subs agreed on 24, I was against 24 since I thought we needed till the admins actually dressed us. They did, far earlier than I assumed, so I was hung ho for going un-private. I wanted this to be as short as it could be

Clearly, I was wrong here, and I am sorry

However, this is out of my control, I don't have the ability to edit subreddits settings anymore, somebody must have seen my antics and gotten a bit tired of it.

I apologize for our mistake. I hope you will forgive me.

[–]allthefoxes 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

This is false. Admins had nothing to do with pics going public and not letting them go back.

I had my ability to make the subreddit private taken away by another mod, not by an admin.

That's because I made the reddit private again after getting 100 "kill yourself" pms and didn't want to deal with it.

[–]prox_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

So you were one to make the sub go public again? And therefore didn't have the option to un-private a sub again?

Doesn't look like this in your comment but can be be bad wording or wrong context.

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    [–]Kicken_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's not a sustainable cycle. Reddit can't employee enough mods to keep their payroll low. But they can't use poor quality mods either without significant detriment to the site's quality. And they can't have high quality unpaid mods whilst remaining negligent.

    [–]MiloBaggins 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    They would just add their paid admins as a mod for each of the default subreddits for "quality control". Obviously no other moderator (including original owner) would be able to strip their control. Other mods can give up their position on one of the largest websites on the Internet if they don't like it or keep following whatever censorship rules come down from on high.

    For what it is worth this by itself wouldn't create a terrible site necessarily - it just offers nothing unique when the community no longer decides on the content (that was the main appeal of Reddit).

    [–]rafay_M 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The other mods could make a protest...

    but in general, i agree with you. Ending the protest was a bad move

    [–]Gimli_the_White 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Surely, they can't replace them all.

    "They can't fire us all!"

    • Air Traffic Controllers, ca. 1981

    [–]westromebestrome 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes, but what was previously hard-working volunteers will now have to be replaced by paid people if they want that sort of control.

    [–]troglodytis 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Popcorn tastes good. -Reddit

    [–]biblioero 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Let them eat popcorn!" -Kn0thing Antoinette

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      [–]Jbones159 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

      What if, ultimately, those same mods end up getting locked out and replaced in their respective subs anyway? I could see it happening with some of the subs that won't give in completely to the admins every whim.

      [–]LazyPancake 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I think that's fucked up, but if that's the way the cards fall, then that's on the admins. If they want to play that dirty, I know there would be extreme backlash.

      [–]rafay_M 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It already will. The recent blackout was an immense show of power. IT showed that default mods acting collectively could destroy reddit, because at that point, even forcing the default subreddits open would trigger mass user revolt, digg-ing reddit into its grave overnight.

      Now, they won't allow their $260 million company to be put on the whims of this fucking crowd of net-savvy college kids. They will put in measures to prevent something like this happening again.

      and no, for fuck's sake, it wont be "ensuring communication and not pissing them off" alone. It will involve diluting that power of mods to destroy reddit.

      [–]prox_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Seconded. I think the same. Should be prominently and as fast as possible discussed by the community.

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        [–]cayne 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Indeed. Yet, I don't understand what "loss of power" they fear. It's not like they have any "real" power in the first place.

        It would be different if they would earn a portion of the ad-income of their respective subreddit, but that's not the case. So why be "so afraid" of leaving as a mod?

        [–]krymz1n 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Human sentimentality / sunk cost fallacy

        [–]GryffinDART 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Do default mods like get paid or anything? I've always wondered if there was compensation or if they just like having power over people...

        [–][deleted] 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Moderators get none and aren't allowed to take compensation for their work.

        [–]Booblicle 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The mods are what makes and breaks subreddits, but don't get a dime from doing so - at least in a direct manner. For some, it's about that sense of power no matter how false it is. For others, it's about creating and building something bigger than yourself, and for some it's just a way to keep active.

        I was a moderator for a short time

        [–]ClitInstantWood 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They do it for free.

        [–]_thedarkknight 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

        The only thing they have going for them.

        [–]atb77 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Their power is already lost, then

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            [–]KwebbelkopMOD 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Damn right. All mods caved in, and it was very disappointing. Show a little backbone, not whoring page views once traffic comes back on mid day.

            [–]DogPawsCanType 27ポイント28ポイント  (14子コメント)

            what do they even cave to? What do they get out of moderating?

            [–]PPSHRegime 62ポイント63ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Eventually believe it or not moderating can feel great inside. You know you're helping a community grow, and it feels great. People would rather dwell in this happiness then truly realize what might be going on around them, so they just cave in. It is the easiest route to get back to the happiness. Technically you get nothing material out of it, may at best it could help when applying for a job of similar criteria. I haven't moderated on Reddit but I have other places before. Anyways OP realized it wasn't right to ignore what was going on around him and decided it would be best to leave, which is pretty great.

            [–]eppic123 35ポイント36ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Some become mods because they have love for the community, others become mods because wanna have power over others. Either way, if a mod loses interest in their voluntary work, they often become huge dicks towards the community.

            [–]K41namor 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

            This is serious question. How do people mod if they don't get paid for it and provide for themselves. I read a post about a guy getting a tour of the new York offices from Victoria plus all the other stuff I read that she did. It's hard to believe all that and no pay. Are all these mods stay at home parents or what?

            [–]modestmoos 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly so this clarification may be unnecessary. Victoria was not a mod, she was a paid reddit staff member who was one of the only direct lines between reddit and the community. She did get compensated for her work but subreddit moderators don't and aren't allowed to.

            [–]K41namor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            No that makes sense thanks

            [–]eppic123 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

            She was an employee, not just a mod. Of course she had an office and she has been paid for her work.

            A mod can literally be everyone. You click here create a sub, and you're a mod. You could invite me as a mod and I'm now a mod on your sub. There is nothing special to it. And the reason why larger subs have 10 or more mods is that they are not "stay at home parents". Some have a regular 9-5 job and moderate in their free time, some work night shifts and have some time for it in the morning, some live in Europe and are available when Americans are asleep, and so on. Most mods are just doing this as a hobby, from their home.

            [–]AKshotu12 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I don't know why your being downvoted, I'd like to know the answer too.

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              [–]dolcedroga 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Someone around here needs to do it.

              And that should be also us, the community, moving to sth else.

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                [–]Blewedup 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

                I'm kind of amazed that this seems to be the only person who is walking away.

                [–]Gimli_the_White 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                The only high-profile mod who's announced their departure and had it noticed.

                Plenty of people are leaving.

                [–]Blewedup 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                I guess my question is why anyone would give away their labor for free. It seems to me that reddit runs on willful slavery. That's not a very good business model.

                [–]Gimli_the_White 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                You're absolutely right.

                It wasn't planned - it happened organically. Reddit started as a single site. After a period of time they created subreddits, and allowed other people to create their own. Back then subreddits were small, like most are today. There also wasn't the massive obsession with controlling content.

                It's the growth of default subs and the constant pruning of submitted links that turned moderators into the near full-time jobs they've become.

                And you're right - it was a very bad move to allow this to happen. Over the past five years, the Admins should have worked on hiring content admins to manage any large subreddit. That's probably the big misstep that will be the key to reddit's decline.

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                  [–]Sososkitso 25ポイント26ポイント  (34子コメント)

                  Dumb question but which subs are actually being censored I've been trying not to pay to much attention to this drama the last month. I know the fat sub got shut down but what else? Why or what on crappydesign? Got censored?

                  [–][deleted] 35ポイント36ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  Check out /r/undelete /r/longtail and /r/removedcomments

                  [–]Sososkitso 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  Why haven't these subs been censored or shut down to stop the "truth" from getting out there? I'm confused is this true censorship that prevents a point of view from getting out there or censorship against ignorant people? Ex: a dictator such as hitler, Castro or any other would censor things to appear the way they want the people to see them. But censoring the kkk or west baptist church is censoring ignorant hate/ideas. If they are trying to censor things to appear in good light leaving subs like the ones you posted open seems stupid.

                  [–][deleted] 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  News gets millions of eyeballs, Undelete gets thousands.

                  Me and three other guys visit Longtail.

                  Also, most of the stuff ending up in Undelete is for a vague rules violation, which the mods will claim is not technically censorship.

                  [–]adremeaux 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Because they aren't really censoring things and the word is being comically misused.

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                      [–]Veggiemon 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      instant bury?

                      [–]Murtank 65ポイント66ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      People downvoted a useless karmawhorey comment and he had to come up with a reason to blame it on censorship

                      [–]Veggiemon 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I am not sure but I think he might be trolling, that's the exact type of edit one makes on /r/circlejerk. And his original comment is just stupid enough that it could have been made as a joke and yet upvoted genuinely. "Someone asked for a source on censorship? I'll just say "everywhere" without providing examples.

                      Not that there's any way to tell anymore, Pao's Law is in full effect. It's like Poe's Law but you just assume you're talking to an idiot and not a parody.

                      [–]modestmoos 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's never safe to assume. It's a natural tendency, but it's never a good idea.

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                          [–]Darktidemage 171ポイント172ポイント  (14子コメント)

                          HEY if "crappydesign" was your baby why not start your own site "Crappydesign.com" that is basically just 1 subrreddit?

                          [–]sagetrees 69ポイント70ポイント  (11子コメント)

                          That's what I would have done, hell an instant 180K worth of traffic? That's a lot of people and a fucking lot of your own potential ad revenue. Doesn't sound like there is much of a game plan going on here.

                          [–]DidUBringTheStuff 113ポイント114ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          there's a difference between clicking something because you're already on a website that serves as a hub for you and going to an individual website in addition, for only one thing. Of course if it's something I'M passionate about, I'm totally there, but donno if everyone in a particular subreddit is truly that dedicated.

                          [–]sagetrees 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Very true, it's not likely everyone would come over but if the OP is really that dedicated to the subreddit then I think creating his own website would be a good next step. Others mentioned that art professors etc actually used the crappydesign subreddit in their classes so it seems that it would be a worthwhile endeavor.

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                              [–]groo667 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Or create the subreddit on a different site, like frizbee.co or voat.co. frizbee is promising because its open source with mainly p2p servers, though they had to buy a real server too to speed it up.

                              [–]Meatsim1 914ポイント915ポイント  (51子コメント)

                              Finally a mod with a backbone, good on you. I wouldn't mind if you simply kept it private for weeks or longer if needed, sorry to see you go

                              [–]solidwhetstone[S] 500ポイント501ポイント  (39子コメント)

                              There's a remote possibility if Ellen Pao is replaced with an actual good CEO. Time will tell.

                              [–][deleted] 149ポイント150ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              please be a dear and repost whatever Pao posted in /r/defaultsubs please and thank you

                              [–]Sodium0mg 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Is that sub for default mods only?

                              [–]Anexium 80ポイント81ポイント  (22子コメント)

                              Apologies if I am misinformed, and I am typically only a reader and observer on the net.

                              The problem is not Ellen Pao contrary to belief. She is a result. A result of the commercialisation of this site. When something gets popular, people see money in it.

                              A business management CEO cares not about what the community wants. Its about profit margins. Welcome to the next mainstream site, boys. It probably won't get better.

                              [–]sworeiwouldntjoin 100ポイント101ポイント  (19子コメント)

                              True, but that's kind of like saying cancer isn't the problem, it's the result of exposure to carcinogens. While technically accurate, it's also still very much a problem.

                              [–]fuckthiscrazyshit 20ポイント21ポイント  (18子コメント)

                              Correct. But if you went to the doctor, the first thing they're going to tell you is get the fuck away from whatever caused the cancer. Only then, can they treat the cancer effectively.

                              [–]-Mahn 17ポイント18ポイント  (14子コメント)

                              Or put in other words, replacing Pao won't do shit if the overall vision of the company is still to make money above everything else.

                              [–][deleted] 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

                              Which is why we need a non-profit foundation running it. Wikipedia has (some might argue about some things, for the most part) not turned to crap because it's funded by donations and not advertising.

                              ...not sure how Reddit could do that at this point, though, so it probably would require a new site designed from the get-go to operate that way. And getting everyone to abandon reddit to switch to it. Not an easy task, but if things get bad enough here, maybe...

                              [–]ScionoicS 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Non profits can still be profit driven. Its the company that doesn't make money. If they pay their staff huge salaries, the company makes no money. If they pay a hosting company that they own for sever space, that's an expense for the non profit and income for the other company. Non profits have tons of tricks to funnel money away from them selves.

                              [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It all depends on how you set up the foundation. Surely there's a way to structure things that makes it difficult to manipulate it for profit. Maybe... Anyway, It beats an explicitly for-profit corporation that clearly has aims at profiteering from the community in ways they don't approve of...

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                                [–]TheZanno 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                from what i understood it was to try and make reddit not hemorage money like it currently does as it has been in the red for ages

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                                    [–]_thedarkknight 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I wish most mods had standards like you.

                                    Keep being awesome.

                                    [–]bleachigo 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Your fellow moderators are pussies, good on you man.

                                    [–]Eli-Thail 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    You realize the entire reason she was brought in by the shareholders was to find ways to monetize the site so that it stops operating at a loss, right?

                                    At the end of the day, all the protesting is the world is not going to convince those shareholders to keep giving the Reddit corporation free money. If cutting the site down to three subreddits which turn a profit of a nickle a day is what it takes, that's what they'll do.

                                    Because the alternative is simply shutting the place down.

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                                        [–]refinedtranquility 400ポイント401ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                        r/crappydesign was one of my favorite subs. I'm so disappointed to see it go, but I understand why you felt the need to leave. Thank you for all the quality content you provided, and for speaking out about the ridiculous censorship and suppression of free speech that is becoming status quo (with no respect to the fact that our views and community involvement continue to provide revenue).

                                        [–]11037leonkuwata11037 53ポイント54ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        FUCK THAT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUBS

                                        [–]EasyFunMoney 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

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                                        BulL S hi T mE

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                                        [–]LoThro 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        That's a crappy word design. /r/crappyworddesign

                                        [–]thefablemuncher 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        There's already a new one. /r/CrappyDesign2 is here to satisfy all our crappy design needs! It already has almost 4,000 subscribers.

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                                          [–][deleted] 37ポイント38ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          /u/solidwhetstone, please consider a backup of current posts as opposed to nuking it. As you can see, /u/opion and others utilize what you've helped build as a learning tool.

                                          [–]EdmundTheJust 29ポイント30ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                          Agreed. If there's any way to back up current posts, please do so. It would be a shame to see the work of all the subscribers to /r/crappydesign disappear forever because of Pao.

                                          [–]fforde 53ポイント54ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                          It would be a shame to see the work of all the subscribers to /r/crappydesign[1] disappear forever because of Pao.

                                          Pao is not the one destroying post history, it's these mods. They have legitimate complaints but destroying post history is a completely disproportionate response. They are curators of these communities, not owners. There are legitimate issues, but that shouldn't give these mods the right to destroy post history simply because they are upset.

                                          [–]Hollyw0od 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          So technically it'd be like a curator at the Museum of Natural History destroying the T-Rex skeleton because the museum director pissed them off. I wonder if that would carry the same "doing it for the principle" stigma.

                                          [–]jakoph 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          The museum curator is much worse....only because a T-Rex skeleton is like a billion times more substantial than anything posted on /r/crappydesign.

                                          [–]Wordshark 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Dude, t-rex skeleton is crappy design. Can't even reach his own dick.

                                          [–]cwthrowaway4 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          B-b-b-b-b-but, censorship!! Never mind that the "tipping point" for this guy was a complete misunderstanding. He is surely right with his other demands of this privately owned business and can destroy an entire community that 180,000 other people built if he wants to. Because he's a righteous mod!

                                          And all these people who frequent /r/crappydesign supporting this guy, what are they thinking?

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                                                [–]mr78rpm 59ポイント60ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                If you ever start up something, or locate something like /r/crappydesign, please post about it in the custom installers forum at remotecentral.com. I missed that sub entirely but would LOVE to visit and perhaps contribute. You'd be amazed how much we audio/video installers have to say about design stupidities!

                                                [–][deleted] 49ポイント50ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                /r/crappydesign

                                                the admins will open it up and it will be restored, many other famous subreddits have had mods removed.

                                                I ask did the main mod of the /r/crappydesign leave it to a vote, or just shut it down, they make it sound like they made the subreddit by themselves, when other mods, and posters all contribute

                                                its there chocie but the way they expressed their right seems a bit shortsighted, its like burning down a family home

                                                [–]AsAChemicalEngineer 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                No they won't. The head mod of /r/wow got axed for behind the scenes site rule breaking, not making /r/wow private.

                                                He could've left /r/wow private forever and that would've been his choice, but the mod crossed a line and we had to insert ourselves.

                                                https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3bxua2/reddit_is_tearing_itself_apart_riama_raskreddit/csqo43m?context=3

                                                SWS is perfectly within their site rights (though I vehemently disagree with their decision) to close the sub.

                                                [–]SadDragon00 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Yea I don't understand, if he closes it can't we just do a redditrequest and get it back?

                                                [–]DreadPiratesRobert 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                He has to be completly inactive on reddit for a couple months I think, not just mod actions, but I think even logging on counts.

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                                                    [–]everydaylauren 131ポイント132ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                    Reddit admins make decisions without consulting the users = COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE, GIVE US WARNING, PUT IT TO A VOTE

                                                    solidwhetstone makes decisions without consulting the users = GOOD JOB, YOU'RE A GREAT PERSON FOR MAKING A DECISION OUT OF THE BLUE AND STICKING TO IT

                                                    Okay then.

                                                    [–]Krolitian 199ポイント200ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Ellen Pao's work ethics has enough crappy design in it for me.

                                                    [–]Kyyni 71ポイント72ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Yeah, /r/crappydesign isn't really even needed anymore, as you can just go to front and see the shitshow for yourself.

                                                    [–]eggpie 39ポイント40ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                    The owner of the live feed, /u/justcool393, told me that he was removing a lot of posts on the feed that he felt were spam and cluttering out relevant news. In particular he said that he removed the constant posts about the petition to remove Ellen Pao as they were updating every thousand or so signatures, and it was very spammy. While I personally believe that this is an awful time to be doing any kind of censorship, even if it was cluttering the feed, I can at least understand why he felt the need to do it and why he would have done so. As far as news articles being censored, I would ask him for more info on that, perhaps he knows more about what was going on.

                                                    [–]justcool393 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                    I'll comment here since I got the username mention, but the news articles I believe was just ones that were removed in the haste, as there was many things being posted at that time.

                                                    You can't un-remove posts from the feed once they have been removed. FWIW, the same article was posted a little later, and was not removed.

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                                                      [–]rmmcclay 43ポイント44ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                      Such a closure of a subreddit will do fuck all to rock Pao's boat. But it shure as hello will rock the members of that particular community. I don't dig seeing communities used as ideological war fodder.

                                                      [–]Telthien 55ポイント56ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                      I support your decision, but in fairness, the live thread was supposed to be about neutral updates, and the ones you see being removed in that video aren't neutral updates, they're unnecessary commentary.

                                                      [–]Decyde 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      So, I guess your final pic for /r/crappydesign is that of a picture of Reddit.

                                                      [–]Murder_Boners 39ポイント40ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                      Tomorrow you'll wake up and realized that nothing has changed, your protest is meaningless and you have killed your subreddit for no reason.

                                                      [–]poopinspace 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      People are just stupid. Now I just wish Ellen Pao could take over the subreddit and reopen it.

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                                                        [–]AdvocateForLucifer 139ポイント140ポイント  (53子コメント)

                                                        I think this is really dumb. You're stepping down over the censorship of the live thread? Dude, you don't even know who was removing those posts. It could have been any one of the guys running it, either trying to start shit or who just didn't think it was relevant. This entire fucking thing has just been blown so out of proportion. At least open the subreddit back up, so that the users don't have to suffer because you're throwing a temper tantrum with the rest of reddit.

                                                        Edit: Just got banned for disagreeing. So much for hating censorship.

                                                        [–]VashetsWhistlingDog 46ポイント47ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        The hypocrisy made me giggle.

                                                        This whole Saga needs it's own Bravo TV show.

                                                        [–]JitGoinHam 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Lol he banned you? what a jackass

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                                                          [–]chocobo-selecta 54ポイント55ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          Attention whoring at its finest.

                                                          [–]ghjm 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          For fuck's sake. Disable submissions if you must, but don't take down years of user created content. You're supposed to be a steward, not an owner. Shame on you.

                                                          [–]kerlonmoura 92ポイント93ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                          Who are you to close an entire subreddit? That's plain egoistic and disrespectful...

                                                          [–][deleted] 49ポイント50ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          It wouldn't be Reddit without idiots like this thinking they're causing a new civil rights movement.

                                                          [–]iedueuioe 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          unilateral censoring to protest against censorship and disengagement from the masses.

                                                          the irony...

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                                                            [–]OcelotWolf 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            Why not just make it so you can't post? As of right now you can't browse /r/crappydesign/top anymore. Why not just make it "read-only" so we can at least enjoy what's already there?

                                                            Or is that part of the point/protest?

                                                            [–]letitfall 83ポイント84ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            You'll regret it in like 3 days when no one cares anymore. Must've felt nice to be on that high horse and close a popular subreddit though

                                                            [–]squarepush3r 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            yaeh, seems like a selfish move, will he boycott every company that has fired an employee before?

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                                                              [–]shaggorama 55ポイント56ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              Dude, are you kidding? This is idiotic. You're only getting patted on the back for this behavior because /r/Blackout2015 has become a huge anarchistic circlejerk. You're unnecessarily punishing the subscriber base of that subreddit.

                                                              We need to leave this website.

                                                              Come on .This is ridiculous. No we don't. This isn't even what the blackout was about. The people who organized the blackout weren't trying to burn reddit down. That's why they reopened their subs back up after a few hours. Most subs that participated weren't even closed for 12 hours. The people who organized and (most of those who participated) were protesting what they perceived to be reddit not taking the needs of its moderators seriously. They weren't trying to burn the website to the ground, like you apparently believe is appropriate.

                                                              Please reconsider.

                                                              [–]thaw12 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Let him leave. /r/Crappierdesign and /r/crap_design have risen up in its place.

                                                              Isn't this one of reddit.com's strengths? The creation of new communities?

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                                                                [–]NinjaLarvitar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                So what if the admins stopped censoring things and went back to their original ways. Would you then forgive them or hold a grudge against them. And would you bring back /r/crappydesign? I'd love to know. Thanks :)

                                                                [–]just4luck 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Do you do this for free?

                                                                [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                The irony of receiving gold for this!

                                                                [–]eppic123 238ポイント239ポイント  (185子コメント)

                                                                Isn't it a little selffish to kill an entire sub only because you don't feel like being a mod anymore? Just give /r/crappydesign to someone else.

                                                                [–]iedueuioe 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                someone else made r/crappydesign2.

                                                                will need time to let it get re-populated with more crappy designs.

                                                                [–]Phoen 57ポイント58ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                Hm. I don't like this whole I'm the captain and I decided to sink my ship with me.

                                                                [–]plif 36ポイント37ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                Yes. Thousands of people submitted content to your sub. I guess some of it is archived, but still...

                                                                [–]paincoats 108ポイント109ポイント  (102子コメント)

                                                                Exactly what i thought. I really liked crappydesign, I don't give a shit about this reddit drama.

                                                                [–]_remedy 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                Giving it to someone else would be pointless because he isn't doing it just to leave reddit. Giving it to someone else would still giving reddit page views.

                                                                [–]CarolineTurpentine 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Except he's still giving reddit page views himself. He's stated that he will stick around until he finds an alternative that has the serves to handle s reddit hug. So he's a hypocritical douchebag who killed a community because he's throwing a hissy fit about internet drama.

                                                                [–]mr-agdgdgwngo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                Maybe people want to give reddit pageviews with the content they generated themselves. Who's he to stop them?

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                                                                  [–]squarepush3r 29ポイント30ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                  The admins were assholes for firing Victoria, so he has to prove he is a bigger asshole by perm closing a sub.

                                                                  [–]eppic123 49ポイント50ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                  Why is he an asshole to us and not to the Reddit staff? Reddit will hardly take any notice of him closing his sub and for sure it won't make any financial difference. It will only make a difference to us, the people who were browsing /r/crappydesign almost every day.

                                                                  [–]poppaman 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  In a way he is, even if he hands it off he is still generating ad revenue for Reddit and creating more pageviews and more possibilities for gold.

                                                                  Its a move that affects both sides but ultimately he'd rather take away their money than keep our entertainment.

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                                                                      [–]fandette88 43ポイント44ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                      Agreed. He wants to leave as though he's a hero. For what? Removing thousands of users content? So he doesn't agree with people getting fired and how the CEO is acting? Isn't the CEOs of lots of services we use shit? Banks, gaming companies, Steve Jobs, even leaders in your government.

                                                                      So what do we do about it? Shit on Reddit - the place most of us go to relax and check out news.

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                                                                        [–]proudbreeder 93ポイント94ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                                                        So why are you censoring /r/crappydesign?

                                                                        [–][deleted] 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        Is it bad that that video made me spurt up uncontrollable giggles? I get why you're upset, and you're not wrong, but "fight the power?" F-f-ight the power?

                                                                        It's not like this is the Black Panther movement of 1960s California

                                                                        [–]Captain_Lambkin 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        You're fucking over 180,000 people, because why?

                                                                        You don't actually know why Victoria was canned do you?

                                                                        Once you have subscribers, especially in these numbers it's no longer yours you egotistically fucktard. What about concensus of the subscribers?

                                                                        [–]everydaylauren 256ポイント257ポイント  (97子コメント)

                                                                        How inconsiderate. All this does is harm the users; let us decide whether we not we agree with a website's policies. You're certainly not the only person with a vested interest in that sub and, like all subs, it is the users who submit the content that makes it popular in the first place.

                                                                        Ironic that you're protesting against censorship and unilateral decision making by privatising a sub (and making all its historic content inaccessible) without asking for the opinions of its users. Two halves of the same coin.

                                                                        [–]Lucavious 90ポイント91ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                        Reddit is a series of links. The content hasn't gone anywhere. Start your own sub and moderate it if you disagree with the creator closing it down.

                                                                        [–]squarepush3r 54ポイント55ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                        couldn't agree more

                                                                        [–]KarmaSaver 35ポイント36ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                        Right, I'm sure he's poured in a lot of work on the sub, but the users are the ones who made it what it is today. Without them it'd just be an empty sub with a pretty design. This is the wrong move.

                                                                        [–]MightyMorph 64ポイント65ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                        hes a fucking mod, ANYONE can be a mod. ffs i don't get these drama queens. Acting like they made reddit what it is.

                                                                        THE FUCKING USERS WHO SUBMIT CONTENT MADE REDDIT! not some fucking idiot who spends his time deciding who gets to post and what posts are approved or not. they're fucking volunteers, acting like they are some fucking children seeking attention.

                                                                        shutting down a 180k subreddit because "buhu i want to say what i want and i cant on a privately owned website." jesus christ what a bunch of fucking drama queens. Just close your accout and leave. This doesnt hurt reddit it hurts the 180k people who were sharing content and enjoying a service.

                                                                        edit: whats even more hilarious is that mods deleted my other comment calling them drama queens. Kind of funny that they keep stating they want to boycot reddit and make sure we are free to speak our minds then turn around and shadow delete comments they dont like.

                                                                        [–]cwthrowaway4 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Kind of funny that they keep stating they want to boycot reddit and make sure we are free to speak our minds then turn around and shadow delete comments they dont like.

                                                                        Well that's just because you don't understand what free speech is. Free speech is when you want to harass fat people all over the internet and make death threats against Ellen Pao.

                                                                        /s

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                                                                          [–]jubil4 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          If he wants to stop being part of that subreddit, that's fine. But he should leave that decision to each of the subscribers. What he has done is an abuse of power, and a huge disrespect for the thousands of people that contributed to the sub. If he is so important, the sub would fall apart without him, but it wouldn't, because the whole community is what makes a subreddit successful. There are hundreds of people who could moderate it just as well as he did. Sure, he deserves respect for starting the community and helping it grow, but the fact that he feels entitled to destroy it without even consulting them is astoundingly selfish.

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                                                                            [–]gabreski_g650 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            Completely agree. If you have a problem with Reddit leave as a mod and pass if off to someone else. Don't hold thousands of people and their content hostage. You're just seem like an angry dictator who didn't get your way.

                                                                            Edit: spelling

                                                                            [–]mickeysantacruz 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            He built it,if he take it down it doesn't really bother me,as a user i started to came here because of the content and freedom of speech,now it's everything fucked....

                                                                            He can be replaced or another subreddit built,but finding people with THAT integrity is not easy to find...

                                                                            [–]JTD_Rekcile 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            People like you are the reason reddit has turned to shit.

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                                                                              [–]smayple 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Lol, your "tipping point" turns out to be completely irrelevant. That's pretty fitting for this whole "issue". 90% of what is angering people is speculation that they take as fact

                                                                              [–]sterffff 58ポイント59ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                              God, this is fucking childish. Grow up.

                                                                              [–]mr-agdgdgwngo 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              I'm amazed to see so many people in agreement with OP. People are destroying reddit with their own drama faster than the reddit admins ever could. It's extremely fucking childish.

                                                                              [–]LithiumEnergy 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              Far out. There really isn't much wrong with what's going on, and its just selfish to completely shut down a community, it's hypocritical.

                                                                              As the reddit community we can work this out, the admins even stated that they've heard us. Don't be a cry baby so you can get a little bit of sympathy and attention.

                                                                              The community supports the mods, but if the mods are hurting the community we will never fix this.

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                                                                                [–][deleted] 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                /r/crappydesign2 is already up, we don't need this loser.

                                                                                [–]Natten 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Dont like what Reddit is doing? Better help make it worse for everyone else!

                                                                                [–]CosmicKeys 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                Hey solidwhetstone. SRD mod here. I have like a few minutes before I have to run off so this has to be real brief (apologies).

                                                                                Do you know how livestreams work?

                                                                                It was effectively an SRD livestream as we were promoting it, run by two users who offered to manage it. They then modded a bunch more helpful users to contribute to the stream. AFAIK anyone with full permissions can pull anything they like. The "censorship" seemed to be nothing more than two new users in a dispute about what exactly should go in the livestream, deleting each others posts. I was asleep, no SRD mods were around to help run it so things went pear shaped over (this is all second hand info sorry - busy day for us) whether or not updates to the petition counted as new news, as well as other content.

                                                                                Livestreams have been a trial for us and we're still learning what works - it takes a ton of work as you're getting constant stream of PMs and pings on irc. Worse, if users refuse to come onto irc there's no effective way to communicate over quality other than public bickering.

                                                                                You seem like a great mod dude. I don't want you doing something rash over a run of the mill squabble over content. Gotta run, best of luck either way.

                                                                                [–]justcool393 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                I think solidwhetstone's decision had little to do with the livestream, to be honest. But yeah, I think meta-discussions about how to handle it better might be good.

                                                                                [–]JitGoinHam 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                He literally calls it the "tipping point" in the submission you're discussing right now.

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                                                                                  [–]onceuponatime_yet 22ポイント23ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                  For me, the beginning of the end of reddit was anti-Russia hysteria unfolding on /r/worldnews where any voices of concern about war-mongering were silenced, users banned. Then came Monsanto AMA where users were banned, comments deleted, anti-GMO scientific studies removed. I knew AMA turned into PR platform, and while I can welcome promo by folks like Keanu Reeves, when the fucking corporation comes in and shoves their GMOs down our throat, led by a fucking lobbyist posing as a scientist, it was the last straw.

                                                                                  [–]postinthemachine[🍰] 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  I read parts of that Monsanto AMA but forgot to get back to it. Just curious, have you got any information on what had been removed from the discussion?

                                                                                  Cheers.

                                                                                  [–]onceuponatime_yet 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  pretty much everything except for comments like "how awesome GMO are!", "thank you for saving the world" and shit alike. Go find that AMA and see for yourself. What is worse, not only /r/science mods deleted comments, they actually banned users from /r/science forever based on their IP. What kind of censorship shit is that? What is the point of having reddit if users are banned like that? And it was not for some fucking CP or shit like that, these were ppl questioning fucking CORPORATION and its business practices.

                                                                                  [–]PearBlossom 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  The fucking irony, I swear. /r/science mods were bitching about the Victoria situation as well because of upcoming AMAs.

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                                                                                    [–]closetshitlordette 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                    Holy shit, I saw that AMA on my Front page, rolled my eyes, and refused to enter.

                                                                                    Were anti-GMO studies really removed? That is fucking atrocious.

                                                                                    [–]ShrimpFood 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    The problem wasn't with the content, but that many people chose to throw around the word "shill" like it was speech filler. The mods said they'd ban for stupid thought-terminating shit like that already a day before the AMA, and they delivered.

                                                                                    [–]onceuponatime_yet 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    Here is a good post by someone who tried to protest Monsanto AMA when it was announced.

                                                                                    [–]closetshitlordette 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    I agree with him, but my question is: who was deleting studies in the thread? It seems against the grain of what the IAMA mods stand for regardless of their disagreement with this particular user. Were you suggesting that the admins had removed those posts, or not? And if so, couldn't the AMA mods just have reapproved them?

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                                                                                        [–]TestinTestin 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                        Posted from the /r/Art thread. I'd love your response:

                                                                                        I'm sorry, but I don't take anyone who uses "Chairman Pao," "regime," or anything else in a non-ironic matter seriously. Because of that, closing down /r/crappydesign (IMO) seems like a pretty selfish decision. Instead of handing over control, you shut the door on a community with ~180,000 people. But if you're tired of everything, we should expect you to delete your account soon, right? That is, if you really are worried about page views and stuff.

                                                                                        [–]falsevillain 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Well, at least there's /r/crappydesign2

                                                                                        [–]mikez2605 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Wow, someone's on their high horse right now

                                                                                        [–]PM_ME_experiments 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        See you later alligator.

                                                                                        [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        "reddit has been guilty of censorship throughout this debacle"

                                                                                        Yeah no shit they're trying to keep their site from getting out of control by idiotic drama queens like you.

                                                                                        "I won't stand by and be responsible for revenue being generated that I believe stifles freedom of expression. "

                                                                                        Yeah you're much better for stifling 180,000 people's ability to interact on what was a great subreddit.

                                                                                        "I also gave them the option to vote me out (they voted unanimously to keep me) but that doesn't make me feel good about staying. /r/art generates around the same number of pageviews per month- 2M, and continuing to moderate there will mean I am complicit in the silencing of free expression."

                                                                                        Clearly another attention seeking move. Why would you give them the option to vote if you're already so intent on leaving? And please, we all know you don't believe you're "complicit in the silencing of free expression." You just want attention.

                                                                                        You've contradicted yourself so many times in this post. You say you love your subreddit /r/crappydesign, yet you take it down along with 180,000 people because of you're views. You say you're gonna replace all of your subreddit subscriptions with other places on the web, yet you'll still be on reddit from time to time. One last thing, you are not setting a good example for this community. The last thing we need is for moderators to shut down more subreddits. We should be trying to get through this together rather than destroying the site.

                                                                                        [–]PandaXXL 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        You run a sub dedicated to yourself? What a fucking tool.

                                                                                        [–]Leon4320 28ポイント29ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                        I'm a massive fan of /r/CrappyDesign and I'm sad to see it go. But if that's what it takes to have our voices heard and have real changes coming, then I suppose sacrifices must be made.

                                                                                        You have my support.

                                                                                        [–]Smigsmug 15ポイント16ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                                        You're a selfish bitch. Your dedication is to the community. So that I'm clear. Make Conde Naste propbably millions, then ditch the community when Ellen does something you dont like or understand? You're all a bunch of cunts. I f I leave Reddit it will be over mods like you who apparently faked concern for years and bailed first time you were presented with an issue from corp.

                                                                                        [–]forgetfularse 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                        Thanks for your efforts, man. Good luck with anything else you get up to.

                                                                                        [–]ThatCollegeWashout 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I'm sorry but this makes zero sense. You're mad about censorship, so you commit your own mass of censorship in protest?

                                                                                        I don't think you've thought this through.

                                                                                        [–]eberkneezer 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                        This was the video that was the tipping point. [1] If LIVE THREADS are going to be censored from revealing the truth of what's going on on reddit- this place is doomed. (EDIT: It has come to light that the removals were due to the person updating the feed. Nevertheless- everything I say below still stands- reddit has been guilty of censorship throughout this debacle

                                                                                        If censorship bothers you so much, why are you censoring an entire subreddit by turning it private ? !

                                                                                        Content is lost to the public and to the content creators when you turn a subreddit private. Turning a subreddit private and destroying access to historic content is a very real act of censorship .

                                                                                        Why not just block new submissions and comments and leave it as a frozen subreddit ? Surely that is closer to your values and wishes.

                                                                                        [–]everydaylauren 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Exactly. Attention-seeking, childish hypocrite.

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                                                                                          [–]Korize 32ポイント33ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                                          So you just decide that you'll fuck over 180k people instead? good on you.

                                                                                          [–]Sanhael 26ポイント27ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                          It was a sub for annoyingly crappy designs. Like, ok, it might be a disappointment to see it leave, but "fucked over?" I don't think I'd take things that far. That implies something a little more serious to me.

                                                                                          [–]MintyTyrant 23ポイント24ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                          Lots of other people collaborated on the sub, creating content etc.. /u/solidwhetstone wasn't some kind of lone ranger who built the whole thing by himself. And let's be honest, it's quite selfish to close something used by 180k+ people down just because you don't really feel like it anymore instead of passing the sub on to someone else.

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                                                                                              [–]sworeiwouldntjoin 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              I love /r/crappydesign, it's one of my favorite subreddits and communities of all time. That being said, I'm extremely glad that you're making a stand on this, so I don't regret your actions at all and 100% support you in this.

                                                                                              [–]fatanddrunk 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                              Is the content of this subreddit (/r/crappydesign/) gone now? If so, I find it a rude thing to do.. I understand and support the blackout and the hatred against Pao and the way the moderators are treated, but deleting all the content users provided is just rude.

                                                                                              [–]victorgrigas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Stand by your convictions!

                                                                                              [–]M0dusPwnens 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                              I not only protest this recent action against Victoria

                                                                                              Did I miss something? I thought we still had no idea why Victoria was let go other than some vague rumors being passed around?

                                                                                              [–]jmnzg 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                              hope all goes well!

                                                                                              [–]mickeyzamora 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                              Wishing you luck we'll miss you :(

                                                                                              [–]jawhasdropped 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Shutting down an entire subreddit completely contradicts the whole "community" thing right? It's just one guy consulting himself to destroy an entire subreddit that many people enjoy. Thats probably not a good thing to do...

                                                                                              [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                              /u/daychilde here. I deleted my account - I only kept this one around to mod in /r/panamacity. I stepped down from my defaults a while ago. But recently I stepped down from /r/discworld and others.

                                                                                              Reddit is in a sad state. I wasn't here quite as long as you - I joined in September 2009 - because of the Glenn Beck thing... it was a good run here, except all the crap that we put up with.

                                                                                              You were a good person. I liked seeing you around.

                                                                                              [–]Guildenstern_artist 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                              Glenn Beck is an idiot.

                                                                                              [–]BriSy33 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Good luck in your future endevors. I may not be a long time Redditor but it's said to see this happening within 4 months after i join the site, Kind of feel like i have a curse following me at this point

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