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[Rambling]Recently started New Vegas again... (self.Fallout)

SlingsterMinutemen が 投稿

And boy oh boy does this sub have some rose tinted goggles. First 3 hours of my playthrough involved going from Goodsprings to Novac.

I've said it in comments and I'll say it again here. Every single thing that happened to me on that journey was entirely expected and predicted by myself. 10 minutes walking down a road that had literally nothing to explore, no enemies or loot made me realise how empty this game actually was, and then I thought back to posts like "FALLOUT 4 IS SO EMPTY COMPARED TO NEW VEGAS".

Really? Is it really? Because I remember getting sidetracked at least 7 times on my way to Diamond City, and then also having unexpected things happen to me even 100 hours in. You guys critique Fallout 4s radiant quests and random events, but they actually make it feel more lively and like a real world.

It's so boring pressing Q and just pointing my mouse at the end of a long highway. In any other RPG you'd expect that to be overconfidence, surely you're an idiot and you'll be killed by enemies! But no, In New Vegas - look left, a badly sculpted hill with nothing on it. Look right, another badly sculpted hill with a bit of grass on it.

I also decided to test out the ever so circlejerked dialogue of New Vegas. Yeah, it felt great having multiple different options to say to an NPC. But then I noticed that "I will help you kind sir" and "For fuck sake, you better fucking pay me you idiot" gets the exact same happy response from the NPC.

Most dialogue choices end in the exact same line being given to you. Wow, how expansive.

Before you say something about me not experiencing the game to its fullest, or me just wanting to rant about "le best game" - I'll just tell you that I've got over 1000 hours on New Vegas. I love it and hold it dear because of the nostalgia I feel, the Vegas setting is something I've always enjoyed and that's why I loved NV so much.

Probably wasted my time with this rant post, but I've been wanting to do this for a while now - Going back to New Vegas to see if this circlejerking is actually true. Most of it isn't. To have the nerve to say that New Vegas was crammed full of content whilst 4 was empty sounds insane.

New Vegas is so empty I need to ask you: Is the semi-expansive dialogue and multiple quest endings worth it for a game that is absolutely disgusting in terms of gameplay, world building, content and depth?

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[–]shenanergans 41ポイント42ポイント  (8子コメント)

Oh boy you're gonna catch flak for this one. Let me just say that I agree with you for the most part. That being said, RIP in peace.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Maybe, then again most of my posts slip by unnoticed and never get more than like 3 comments.

I just wanted to vent somewhere, and where else is better than the prime New Vegas Circlejerk Central!

EDIT: nevermind, the hordes are arriving.

[–]Richard73034 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's almost as if people have different taste in games. There were no hordes of people circle jerking this game on this subreddit,plenty of people prefer 3 over NV or 4 over both. No mass group of people thought the gameplay was on point, no one thought it was any more lively or immersive than 3 or 4.

My problem with 4 wasn't how alive everything felt or how well detailed the world was, because we all know it very well was. The problem was the lack of content it had for the size and scheme of it. Going to a random location would hardly yield a new character or interesting quest/backstory. Instead it was one of the other 100 places that was just filled with random raiders and one legendary enemy. That's all the game had in store for people who wanted to explore. The game's storytelling was weak, and overall there was a major lack of quests. With Far Harbor we saw a legitimate story flesh out in front of us with characters and backstory, not some random house that you had to shoot up.

The dialogue in 3/NV is no doubt better. Sorry, but just because some options yield the same cheery or unhappy response in 3/NV doesn't make it worse than 4. It's still leagues better. In all honesty I think you're pulling this "circlejerk" out of your ass. If you want to go vent to people who actually feel that way, go to r/gaming or r/games.

Edit: to clarify, I think most of the users here like all the Fallout games. Hell, I go back and play the classics from time to time.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

to clarify, I think most of the users here like all the Fallout games

So those posts about FO4 being an utter disgrace to the RPG genre and how Bethesda need to pass the reigns to Obsidian were all just jokes then?

Oh right.

[–]Diabols 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

to clarify, I think most of the users here like all the Fallout games

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Majority of posts are about how bad fallout 4 is.

""""MOST users like it"""""

[–]Richard73034 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

"To clarify, I think most of the users here like all the Fallout games"

"Most"

Do you know what that word means?

Right.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So the hundreds of upvotes and comments about how those posts were right were just jokes then?

The majority of front page posts about how bad Fallout 4 was were jokes?

[–]Richard73034 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly what the fuck are you talking about. There are no posts on the front page with thousands or really even hundreds of upvotes shitting on the game. Of course you'll find some with people criticizing the game, but no one is trashing 4 as hard as you're trashing NV right now. Of course you'll see that shit if you look, but we all love the same games here, there's no reason to be sour about anything. Just play the game and if you like it, then great. Good for you. But there's no reason to be this bitchy about defending it because you'll have to really be looking to find someone who truly hates it in this sub.

[–]MrFrapsG.O.A.T. Whisperer 15ポイント16ポイント  (9子コメント)

I agree, exploring isn't all that interesting in New Vegas. The quests guide you down the same route almost every play-through. Fallout 3 didn't have a cut-clear path for the PC, and it allowed you to move around freely in the wasteland. Fallout 4 followed the footsteps of Fallout 3, and I never felt confined to a single route.

New Vegas has some of my favorite quests, but exploration is really important to me as well.

[–]Kraze_F35G.O.A.T. Whisperer 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Definitely. I think it would be amazing if Obsidian wrote the story for a Fallout game and Bethesda made the world.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Let Obsidian do the dialogue that the sub oh so very much loves.

Let Bethesda make a dense, detailed world that doesn't get boring within 2 hours.

Dream game.

[–]ManceRaid 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Let Obsidian do the dialogue that the sub oh so very much loves.

Did Obsidian kill your mother?

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

What? Lmao...I'm acknowledging their strong point. Don't be that big of a fanboy that you take anything towards them as an insult.

They can't make an interesting world. Bethesda can. So let them do the writing.

[–]gibidyfibidy 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

They can't make an interesting world. Bethesda can.

I didn't realize that teddy bears/skeletons in sexual positions makes for an interesting world.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

They don't, they add little easter eggs to see on the way.

However, walking down a road in Fallout 4, I see fires in the distance, I see a little shack hidden behind some trees...I see a building not far away, I hear some enemies coming down the road - I hide because I can't kill these super mutants, I'm too weak. They pass by me in a line and I slowly emerge from the shrubbery and continue along the road.

In New Vegas. I press Q once. I point my mouse at the end of the road and then wait, take a sip of my drink. Take a bite out of my food. I see a hill off in the distance. I see a few trees over there. No enemies in sight. Literally nothing around me to verge off the road and explore...

[–]gibidyfibidy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you think that trees, a shack, fire, buildings, and high level enemies make a world interesting, you must be easily impressed.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes it feel more alive. You read the part about a completely unpredicted enemy patrol and twisted that into "high level enemies".

It makes me feel like I'm in a world where things are still happening without me. These super mutants weren't here yesterday, they caught me off guard - this world is lively and unpredictable.

[–]ZimZimZeroin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't know you were such a big fan of reductive arguments about pedantic details.

[–]BearPokerYou Damn Hussies! 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've been playing NV recently because of the xbox backwards compatibility and I have to admit Obsidian nailed the barren desert a little too well.

[–]SidbobNCR for life 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was partly because of console limitations. Fallout 3 wasn't exactly a bustling metropolis either.

[–]Diabols 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The spaces between interesting areas always felt full and useful to me, largely because I grew up near the Mojave and all its useful plants are immediately recognizable.

That being said, Obsidian actually did plan a lot of random events for the game, but they were cut due to the fact that they had one year to make NV.

[–]Unlifer 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a ton of emptiness in NV's world.

I recommend installing Random Encounters, Monsters Mod, IWS, and Better New Vegas for adding more content to the world.

[–]Diabols 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And also the No POI/Quest Markers mod. It disables quest arrows and point-of-interest triangles on your compass but keeps them on your map, so the game stops training you to follow the compass and forces you to familiarize yourself with the land.

All that aside, it makes sense that the community needed to add more content to the game. It's hard to make a game with all the little details and random encounters of Bethesda and still finish it within NV's one-year time constraint.

[–]JesusLesnar 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

Of course you predicted the events, you've played it before. Also:

absolutely disgusting in terms of gameplay, world building, content and depth?

Absolutely disgusting is a much too far considering how many quests are in each location, how many characters you can interact with and how many ending each quest has.

To be perfectly frank: I don't believe that this was your honest experience replaying New Vegas. I think you're tired with it's admittedly sycophantic following here and are jerking in the opposite direction. Some of what you said is accurate, the space between the locations is emptier than in Fallout 4, but the idea that that makes it "absolutely disgusting" is just laughable.

[–]Kraze_F35G.O.A.T. Whisperer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I predicted most of the events on my first playthrough. The writing is great, but the game itself is very predictable. (I know 3 and 4 are as well, but I'm just making a point about New Vegas also being that way)

[–]-GeneralDerp-The Institute of ILLUMINATI 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

But then I noticed that "I will help you kind sir" and "For fuck sake, you better fucking pay me you idiot" gets the exact same happy response from the NPC. Most dialogue choices end in the exact same line being given to you. Wow, how expansive.

That is exactly a major problem in Fallout 4, lol. I haven't seen that in NV. I'm not calling the game perfect or anything, but that part was BS that you said.

Also FNV has a lot more roleplaying, you can have your own character that you can develop, you can be the bad guy (In Fallout 4, you really can't. They tried making choices grey, but instead made every choice pretty much good)

[–]Puddimans-FINFollowers 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dont forget that if you are stupid (low intelligence) you sound like that aswell.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just said in my post that I acknowledge the deep dialogue and RP of NV.

My point was that the rest of the game is close to garbage, and it's not worth sacrificing a boring, empty game for a few more things to say.

I also brought up the point of it getting the same response, because I tested it last night. I said the equivalent of "I dont fucking care, as long as you pay me I'll do your shitty job" but the NPC response was like "GREAT! THANK YOU KIND SIR! I KNEW YOU WERE A GOOD SAMARITAN!"

[–]SegglesRule 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

Are you actually surprised by what happens from Sanctuary to Diamond City? Are you really? There's zones of enemies set up across the map, and there's wandering enemies as well. New Vegas has more distinct spawning locations, but you could predict FO4 as much as you may FNV. It's way denser, certainly more beautiful in parts, but it is going to be predictable at a certain point.

FNV looks like shit compared to FO4 because, A) it is pretty old comparatively and B) it's more sparse. A lot of what you're mentioning is thematic to the setting, from the empty dessert to sparse communities with not all that much going on. It's less vibrant, yes. It's in warring factions part of civilization, as opposed to the wandering in the wastes part, which is more adventurous.

It's not crammed full of "content" the way that FO4 is, absolutely. However, it is crammed full of story and has extreme depth in characterization. Generally, FO4 isn't like that. Calling it "disgusting" definitely seems like an attempt to snap back at the FNV fans that snark all the time about FO4. Eat a snickers, you become a diva when you're hungry.

[–]liquidsolidussnakeWelcome Home 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think a lot of people will argue that NV can be pretty sparse at times. And I will agree that the dialogue system is far from perfect.

That being said, I've replayed NV recently and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I did have some minor mods on it (mostly stuff to improve the UI and pretty the game up a bit.)

What draws me to the game is mostly thing like tone, writing, and freedom of choice.

I think that despite the issues that Fallout 3 and NV have with their dialogue systems, the writing in NV is still superb. Full of quotable lines and memorable conversations/characters.

As far as tone, well I'm just a sucker for the wild west aesthetics of the Mojave and the glitzy sleaze of Vegas itself. The game is a bit sparse on content, but I find what is there to be more interesting to look at.

I also feel like NV gives a much wider selection of ways to deal with situations. Unkillable NPC's are a pet peeve of mine, I'll admit, and I enjoy the ability to slaughter who I please, except kids, bit there are certain ways to deal₩ with that (thanks NexusMods.) And even when the options are limited, I think NV's illusion of choice is more convincing.

I just think it's down to personal taste. I can see how you would feel the way you do, and I think Fallout 4 is a great game, but I do prefer NV for my 3D Fallout fix.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't understand how people think NVs writing is superb. I made a note of this last night whilst playing.

The NCR. I've never met these people before. I've never done business with them - yet all it takes is a "I CAN HANDLE MYSELF" and they let you into a quaranteed town (primm) for no reason.

[–]liquidsolidussnakeWelcome Home 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm talking more along the lines of dialouge/characterization. And the thing with the overly trusting factions has been a problem in pretty much every game. The the BOS in 3 (because of pre-established connections) and the Minute Men in 4 (because of desparation) are OK, IMO. I think the NCR are the only ones in NV with that issue though. I think in every game it's just a case of the writers going "gotta get this plot moving somehow."

[–]OisteriO 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

TESTEST

[–]OGNick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I am going through the game for the first time. I agree with everything you say.

I am enjoying the game but I liked FO3 better. The exploring was much more satisfying.

I will say, the dialog in NV is much better overall but I haven't been impressed with the writing for the quests. Especially Caesar...the things he asks you to do and such are pretty idiotic.

[–]Hessian14Not just saying that because I have to 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

Here's where we differ. I agree wholeheartedly with your points mostly. Just as I feel you would agree with the reasons I don't like fallout 4. Most people who like fallout 4 over new Vegas have different priorities with what they want in their games. I want a story-centric society engaged in total war. You probably want a treasure filled wasteland filled with secrets and nice combat. And there's nothing wrong with that. Here's where I draw the largest distinction between nv and 4 (and to a lesser extent, 3): in nv, everywhere you go and everyone you meet is important- in 4, everywhere you go and everyone you meet is special.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

Bit tired of people on this sub telling me what type of RPG I prefer. I love a good story and fun quests. Fallout 4 has a good story and fun quests imo.

New Vegas is a series of "HELLO, RANDOM PERSON I DO NOT KNOW. HERE ARE MY MOST TREASURED SECRETS. PLEASE DO THIS IMPORTANT MISSION FOR MY FACTION"

NCR choose to send a random guy instead of a squad of their strongest troops?

[–]ManOfDill 11ポイント12ポイント  (12子コメント)

Huh, so one of my paladins is recommending you simply because you survived beside him, used a computer, and found a gizmo. Imma make you a knight, give you some power armor, let you freely come aboard my airborne military base and bring anyone/thing you want up here despite me hating synths and hey, Nick Valentine, I don't want to burn you here and now but instead let you roam as you please on my base.

[–]MojaveWalkerFollowers 3ポイント4ポイント  (15子コメント)

Okay sir, I was tolerating your views on the game structure and saw your points, although I do not agree with them, then you had to say that little bit at the end, New Vegas is shit in terms of world building and depth, you've awakened the beast and inside of me.

SO LISTEN HERE!

New Vegas has possibly the most well crafted and detailed setting on any game I've ever played, those first few hours of the game you blasted are so important to the story because they give you insight into the pros and cons of various different factions, you learn of the cruelty of the Legion, but you also gain some insight into why they do what they do. You are shown the NCR, a noble group but you get a sense that they are in way over their heads and they are stretched very thin, and what's best is that most of the NPC's have their own unique opinions to that you can talk to them about, some people are indifferent, some are completely ignorant, some people see this as black and white as can be, and it gives you the sense that this is a world where there is no black and white and we are left to form our own opinions, and this is in the beginning hours of the game, this is before you are exposed to the full force of the NCR, the ideological monologues from Caesar or the Old World promises of Mr. House.

Calling New Vegas a game without depth and poor world building is ludicrous, you are literally insulting the game's strongest point, and the one we all love it for.

[–]mirinthesky 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

pros and cons of various different factions,

Which all want their enemies to end by nuking or destroying them or you choose the "make friends with all the baddies" solution. Most people praise the ending, but it's pretty bland.

[–]jdfred06 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's more dialogue in New Vegas' Good Springs, along with choices related to your character, than the first half of the main quest in Fallout 4.

The first quest in NV has more skill checks than the entire game of Fallout 4. Seriously.

It's fine to have opinions, and I don't discount your position, but NV has far more dialogue options and character choice than 4. In that way it is far more in depth. This seems very close to objective fact, simply based on dialogue choice.

In fact, other than combat, 4 is far more shallow than NV.

It's an uphill battle to convince anyone that's played both games that Fallout 4 has more depth than New Vegas. I applaud your effort, but feel that it's a war that's unwinnable.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

You get a bunch of dialogue choices that get the exact same response yeah.

Fallout 4 beats NV in world density, world detail, liveliness, world depth and things to do.

New Vegas is literally the epitome of "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle". It has a lot of dialogue, but everything else, literally everything else, is empty and boring.

[–]Cozzma -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree. So many locations in NV that appear interesting at face value fall short and prove to be shallow and uninteresting. An example could be those dry lakes with the weird wind effect. They feel out of place as just rectangular fields with other locations around them. They're stick out like a sour thumb and feel sloppily integrated. Some of the most locations in fallout 4 can tell a whole story within themselves without the need to have a quest or dialogue at all. New Vegas's just have some baddies and then it's left to your imagination? Maybe you'll go back for a quest later?
Now it's time to go into uncharted territory. Fallout: New Vegas's story is not good. For the first part of the story you are trying to find a guy who killed you because you are fed the idea that your character is vengeful for his attempt at you life. Really? REALLY? How many people or groups try to kill you on sight in this game? Why not have the same level of anger for them as you do for Benny? If you had that for everyone then your character would be out to kill the fiends or the boomers who also try to kill you unless sertain quests are done. The vengeance you have for Benny because he stole the package you were hired to deliver is spoon fed to you and is just as much of a case of railroading as fallout 4' Shaun story. Now let's take a look at that package... the infamous platinum chip, or as it should be called, the glorified USB stick with a software update. Really? That's what I've been chasing this whole time? This so important that everyone needs to make such a fuss over it? Well it is. I get that. Because it's for Mr House's army... which will ultimately have the ability to take control of the Mojave. Right. That's fair. And Mr House is a well written and interesting character I will admit. He is very grey in many areas which makes it interesting. But let's take a look at the other options... The beginning of the game let's you look at some of the factions. Like the legion! What do they have to offer? Well you introduction to them is a burning town with multiple people either slaughtered or literally fucking crucified. And when you talk to them they threaten you unless you leave. "But trading routs are safer!" They enslave people. "But they're able to hold territory more firmly" Women are objects to them. The legion is purely evil and the Mojave would benefit in no way with them in power.
NCR. They're the good guys to counter the legion. No way around it. You don't like taxes? Okay, how about the worry of raider attacks or mutant god knows what without their protection. The NCR provides stability to the hell scape of the wasteland and their small drawbacks are made up for by these benefits. "But they're already way to thin" are they? Are they now? Because you see NCR camps all over the wasteland. And an embassy in the strip. And two well fortified locations (hover dam and Fort McCarran) The NCR out numbers every other faction in New Vegas easily. Not to mention their support back home. Frankly, the argument that they're spread too thin is just invalid because although there are many examples of them failing to protect some areas or to supply some forts, this is to be expected as they're still trying to wrestle the beast that is the Mojave into their control. They are still working to find the most efficient ways of doing things and the fact that they're waring with another power only makes it more difficult.
This is long as shit but I wanted to say it because I see all these arguments for new Vegas's story and I find it quite silly how strongly people feel for it.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit, I forgot about the dustbowl areas.

First time I played the game, I heard that there was a place called the Ivanpah race track in the dust storm filled areas. It sounded so damn interesting, and I wanted to explore the stormy areas for all the interesting secrets that they would have hidden under the cover of the storm.

Lol nope, nothing there. The racetrack is a tiny bit of road with a little car.

You have a great argument there and some stuff I never even thought about. They got NPCs to say "THE NCR IS WEAK AND SPREAD THIN" but they don't actually show that in-game.

[–]Cozzma -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's exactly what I was thinking about! That race track seemed interesting at first but then upon closer inspection.. eh. I didn't want to bring it up because in fallout 4 there's a racetrack too that's also a disappointment in a more painful way. Although I do think the robot race track is still cool even if you can't race robots:(

[–]Spelcheque -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nostalgia's a helluva drug, and people in gaming subs are junkies.

You may feel more at home in r/fo4. If not r/gamingcirclejerk.

[–]thebrokenfan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I completely disagree, I too started playing the game again and found it to be a hundred times more interesting that 4. I was constantly meeting interesting characters who I could talk to, got tricked into clearing out some geckos before being attacked by the person I was helping. Met people along the road and bandits and NCR troops. It is so much more interesting than the bland and emptiness of 4. Plus with the main story there is a sense of urgency, who sent the guy to kill me? Who is he? Who is this damn robot following me around? Will another assassin be sent after me!? I don't have to READ a hundred different notes and entries, I can TALK to people to learn all there little back stories. I love the combat, I love the story, I love this game more than any of the others.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like you've never played the game before.

Barton Thorn is a boring chore to complete after Ghost Town Gunfight. Lasts about 3 minutes.

I've never met anyone along the roads of New Vegas that wasn't a travelling merchant. Please tell me where you met these interesting characters with 6000 dialogue options on the road.

The first time you play, sure, you might be like "omg such mystery why did benny do this" - but then you find out that Benny is literally another boring character, he isn't some super secret gang leader/hitman - He's a dude trying to make some money and be rich.

I also don't remember having a detailed conversation with Novac Settler either.

[–]BlackstarDwellerSentinel 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem with nv is that its in a freaking desert, not much to show how the great war affected it

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They could've gone into more depth on Mr.House's laser defence grid and how it helped the city.

[–]GTU875You might not believe in nations. I do. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I won't be hard on New Vegas in terms of combat. It's bad, but given that Fallout 3's was too, I'm impressed by what Obsidian was able to add on like ammo types, etc. Even then, I feel as though a .50 sniper rifle, a gauss rifle and a .45-70 lever action should be competing with each other for the sniper role, as opposed to the gauss rifle being your only sniping option. I feel as though a 5.56 round shouldn't be nipping at the heels of a .308 and the .308 shouldn't be doing that for the .50. Both do things wrong, New Vegas in how unpolished it is, 4 in balance and how limited your options are.

Anyway, I'm going to say something that both a lot of people have said, and that not a lot of people have said. New Vegas, FOR THE MOST PART, has better writing. I say this because while New Vegas has better writing for the dialogue,(the first talk with the Think Tank comes to mind) stories you can find just by exploring(such as Randall Clark), and I'll side with them on the "building a convincing conflict" side of things. That said, I'll give the edge to Bethesda when it comes to the companions they've written. When it comes to New Vegas, there are companions I love, (ED-E, Cass, Veronica, Raul, Arcade) and then the other guys who I'm... okay with. At the end of the day I don't mind any of them. With Fallout 4 I have ones I genuinely love (Curie, Dogmeat, etc.) ones I don't really have any strong opinions on, (Piper, Danse) or ones I don't partner up with due to ideological differences (Cait, X6-88) or just fucking hate, like Strong. I like this better because there's more variety and difference of opinion. I am annoyed that Deacon, Danse and X6-88 aren't pissed as shit to see they're all working with the same guy, and I won't let that slide. It's bullshit. Also, the raiders in Fallout 4 are better. They actually seem like different groups from terminal entires, as opposed to the samey drug-upped weapon and armor shopping center you get in New Vegas.

When it comes to the actual Wastelands themselves... I do like the Mojave. I kinda like wandering around a desert, I'm weird like that. That said, it is really devoid of shit to do(Fallout 4, first playthrough, I was level 30 before I got to the Glowing Sea in 4, and 51 before I stepped foot in the Institute. I don't get that kind of "fuck around fodder" with Vegas) which is annoying, and isn't there a war going on? I should be seeing NCR patrols getting in firefights with Legion raiding parties or at least Fire Geckos fighting Radscorpions or some shit. Instead, I'm pretty sure there's more going on in the actual Mojave desert. For a contested region that avoided almost every bomb thrown at it, it feels pretty dead. That said, I do get a feel of a place that has civilization with New Vegas, which is a problem that's gotten better with Bethesda since Fallout 3, but is still a problem.

All that said, I do consider New Vegas a better game, but I do genuinely enjoy Fallout 4. Heck, out of the Fallout series it's only beaten by New Vegas and 2, and given that those are two of my favorite games of all time, that's very impressive.

[–]wildeverything 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

rose tinted goggles

Nice try, but I just finished the game for the first time last week.

Every single thing that happened to me on that journey was entirely expected and predicted by myself.

Aren't you the person who has played NV over 50 times or am I misremembering?

10 minutes walking down a road that had literally nothing to explore, no enemies or loot

Yay! Another circlejerky comment on NV's boring world. Check out these links.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/4pxpn8/dialogue_with_caesar_vs_dialogue_with_maxson/d4orse5

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/4pxpn8/dialogue_with_caesar_vs_dialogue_with_maxson/d4onqnc

having unexpected things happen to me even 100 hours in

And that doesn't happen in NV? If you're talking about exploration then ok you win. It seems like you prefer 3 and 4's scripted events more than NV's non-scripted ones. And that's fine if you like that more.

gets the exact same happy response from the NPC.

Do you have a link to the interaction? Out of context, it sounds more like another Fallout game I know...

Wow, how expansive

"le best game"

It's hard to take you seriously when your tone is so sarcastic and condescending. You're not changing anyone's opinion by writing like this.

I've got over 1000 hours on New Vegas. I love it and hold it dear because of the nostalgia I feel, the Vegas setting is something I've always enjoyed and that's why I loved NV so much.

Are you serious? I find it hard to believe that you loved NV so much because it sounds like you either really don't like it or you're just frustrated and jealous that NV is more well received here.

To have the nerve to say that New Vegas was crammed full of content whilst 4 was empty sounds insane.

That's very narrow-minded of you. If you're looking for exploration and FPSs then Bethesda Fallouts are probably up your alley. If you like writing, and RPGs, then you'll probably like NV more.

Fallout 4 is so empty I need to ask you: Is the exploration worth it for a game that is absolutely disgusting in terms of RPG elements, world building, content and depth?

I'm being a bit cheeky but FTFY :)

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Proper edgy comment here. I like this format of argument because a lot of people on reddit do it and it achieves nothing.

It makes the comment look like a huge written section of arguments, but it's actually you quoting me and then giving 2 lines of your own words.

[–]magnumjenkinsRailroad 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Ok so the only thing you enjoy about New Vegas is the " semi expansive dialogue". According to you, literally every other aspect of the game is garbage, but you still like the game. So now your trying to solve a circlejerk with a circlejerk, and you not even going to fully commit to your counter-circlejerk? Im just not sure what you're trying to accomplish in this post. It came down to "New Vegas sucks, Fallout 4 rules" So, whats your point?

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

You obviously read my post with the intention of commenting like a jerk afterwards. My post specifically told you WHY I love New Vegas, if you read it you will find out the hidden secret!

My point is that New Vegas is over exaggerated on this sub. The only deep thing about the game is the dialogue. The world is empty, the gameplay is clunky and boring, there is nothing to explore or discover.

[–]magnumjenkinsRailroad 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I read the whole thing. You said you like the setting and the dialogue. All posts like this do is perpetuate horrible content in this sub. I don't come here to read thousands of arguments on which game is better because I already know which one I like and couldn't give a fuck less about what you think of it frankly.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I made it clear that my post was rambling and me wanting to test whether the sub has biased views of New Vegas. I came to the conclusion that that is true.

If you don't care about arguing then good on you, but you posted your comment in the first place.

[–]magnumjenkinsRailroad 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I just want you to realize you made a post about how New Vegas is bad with intention of getting a rise out of people that think New Vegas is good. There wasn't ever a test, you just worded your post to get the desired results.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I literally just closed New Vegas, came to /r/Fallout and wanted to vent my findings. I've been thinking about this for months.

I literally said in my post that I wanted to see if New Vegas was as deep as the sub says it is.

So obviously I wanted to provoke a response. If you don't want to argue, then stop arguing.

[–]magnumjenkinsRailroad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh man, it's worse than I thought.

[–]ManceRaid -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You have a shit personality, man.

[–]Mexican5020Tunnel Snakes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not trying to get downvoted for saying 3 is better then NV(which it is imo) but world building is one aspect bethesda deffinitly dominates in

[–]ZimZimZeroin -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

I know exactly how you feel.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Completely agree about Goodsprings. On all of my playthroughs I solve Goodsprings half an hour into the game...and then literally never see the town again. There's no reason to go back there ever.

Laughing at those comments about how the game has tons of things to stumble into. A 2 stage quest that has nothing to do with anything and has no impact is not a very interesting thing to "stumble upon"

"Go to nipton and then come back and tell me what you saw" - amazing quest

[–]danny420We got ourselves a chupacabra with an automatic weapon 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because sniper lady couldn't leave her post to check the smoke, or whatever, gosh! Ragging on the fetch type quests is futile, they exist in every Bethesda and rpg type game.

I say I like FNV the most of the 3 Beth titles but I haven't played it in a year while I've been enjoying 4 so take that how you will. But absolutely disgusting? Just another case of reddit hyperbole, I'm sure.

Goodsprings is literally tutorial town and going south is for beginners, Deathies and Cazzies the other way!

To each their own of course.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sniper lady couldn't even fucking SEE Nipton from where she was standing, let alone the smoke from the town.

New Vegas has so many quests that don't need to be quests, they should be unmarked quests they are that short.

There's something wrong with your world building when the entire southern half of the map is "tutorial town" and filled with places that you wont visit more than once.

[–]danny420We got ourselves a chupacabra with an automatic weapon 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hey now, just Goodsprings is tutorial and leave sniper lady out of this from here on! She's a nice lady, gave me binos once..

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You stole her binoculars, she needed those!

[–]Morally_ObsceneCommie Tracker 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

To look at the town through the mountain.

[–]SlingsterMinutemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

She literally can't see anything. No wonder she's such a good sniper, they've never seen her snipe anything, she probably just tells them that she's good.