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[–]abd9344 42ポイント43ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I love the media plastering "No new Wrongdoing Uncovered" on all their headlines, basically saying we all knew the worst parts already so there's nothing to worry about.

Disgusting.

[–]shinypretty 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, stop being so judgey. We've had plenty of time to get used to the old wrongdoing.

[–]yep45Constitutionalist 25ポイント26ポイント  (15子コメント)

I forget who it was who pointed this out (maybe Ben Shapiro?), but a few other big issues are that:

  1. Congressional Republicans absolutely suck at selling their agenda to the public, so they just see lots of hearings and investigations without Republicans actively making a case for why they are necessary.

  2. Some Republicans just take it too far and try to swing for the fences, saying things like "Obama/Clinton knew about the attack in advance and did nothing" or "Obama/Clinton personally gave the orders to stand down" and when they fail to convincingly prove these things, it undermines their whole case, even if they were correct about many other horrible examples of incompetence

[–]Billyin_4c 14ポイント15ポイント  (10子コメント)

I was listening to Ben today and he basically said that the media will play things off like they don't matter. When Benghazi happened, it was just too soon to talk about. We didn't have all the facts. Now when this report comes out and we have all the facts, oh that's old news, why do you keep bringing this old stuff up. Liberals get away with it because they are never held accountable and they know that.

[–]heyyoudvd 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's the exact same argument that was used to push the Iran deal.

"Negotiations are still ongoing. You can't criticize the deal until you know the details."

"Negotiations are complete. You shouldn't criticize the deal because it's done. Time to move forward."

[–]Duality240 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reminds me of that nut ball Pelosi saying we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it.

[–]bbuck96 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like having a nut allergy, eating a random dish, and then (surprisingly) having a reaction. But hey, you had to eat it to find out if it had nuts in it!

[–]enmunate28 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't we have all the facts when the last report came out?

[–]whatwereyouthinkingLibertarian Conservative 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'll accept that (bringing up old stuff) if we can stop hearing about how the 2007/8 financial crash was Bush's fault.

[–]enmunate28 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think bush got the raw deal with that. Yes, he had a hand in it. But GLBA really was the start of that whole thing.

[–]shinypretty 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everything wrong is Bush's fault. It is known.

[–]wolfman1911Boehner thinks I'm the Devil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And have the Obama administration have to accept some level of blame for it's mismanagement of the economy? Fat chance!

[–]ed_merckx 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Very well said.

Certain members of the committee turned it into a witch hunt specifically about Clinton. Like her or not, she's damn good at deflecting those kind of personal attacks. The republicans played right into her narrative that this was all some thing to hurt her future prospects at president.

It's a story the media is going to cover one way or another, by swinging for the fences as you rightly put it, the media was allowed to choose how they covered it. Instead of being "look at the new facts that just came out that shows clinton lied a couple months ago", it became "well more facts came out today that disproved the republican theory that Hillary is personally responsible".

Show the facts and let people come to their own conclusions, the doubt about her becomes so much stronger then. All the email scandal stuff, they are literally playing right into her (although not as much as the Benghazi commission) again. Instead of just sticking to the facts, "here is what you said, here are the 10 times you changed your story proving you lied about what you previously said, and here are all the rules/laws you violated, oh and here's all this other shady looking stuff, but I want to just focus on the facts that we know and how you broke the law". Instead they focused on all that other stuff instead, even doing it a little bit just lets clinton pivot the entire thing back against you, saying it's some unfounded nut job conspiracy theories, put out by the republicans just to hurt her chances for president.

I honestly thinking we could have given all the information to a kindergartner and he would have been able to do more damage to her than the current republicans had.

[–]Mier- 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah when others control the flow of information it's hard to get the word out. Why Fox and other outlets are so important, to break that stranglehold on going public.

[–]whatwereyouthinkingLibertarian Conservative 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even Fox News has trouble getting their audience to take them seriously.

Rather than "Benghazi commission finds that State Dept officials didnt do enough to prepare, or react to the attack in 2012. And that statements made by Hillary following, were false." they say it with more buzz to compensate for the leftist media downplaying it. And we get: "Gowdy Finds Hillary Guilty of Murder!!!" this may sell to your viewer base, but doesn't build trust any more than a pastor standing on the street telling everyone they're going to hell.

[–]say_or_do 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

Way too fucking true... yet there's a split in the seam. I think many liberals who don't trust Clinton believe they fucked up in benghazi but are unwilling to admit it because it would make their star Obama look bad. Hillary kind of has a dusty card up her skirt there.

[–]b_deam 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

up her skirt there.

What nightmares are made of.

[–]Banecn 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Don't suppose you could pass the eye bleach or hook a brother up with a mem wipe please?

[–]b_deam 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't suppose you could pass the eye bleach

This is the best I could do.

[–]do_you_know_doug 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like to wipe it with a cloth?

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tissues of sadness or joy?

[–]Banecn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure that's a used tissue moment either way.

[–]ClassicCarPhenatic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a snuke up that snizz.

[–]PM_me_side_job 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hillary needs to be in prison

[–]PumaplayssdReagan was best 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell this to r/ShitRConservativeSays

Itll be hilarious watching them try to realize that Congressional Hearings dont make convictions, but neither does the media, which they also think does.

[–]optionhome 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Love the cartoon. Reminds me so much of the OJ trial where reason was discarded in favor of lies.

[–]CJH_Politics [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Umm... I heard a VERY conservative AM radio host this morning praise Obama and criticize the military... are you sure you just don't understand the report? It seems Obama/Clinton did nothing wrong and it was military leaders who screwed up.

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

It was the military that told the families of the deceased that it was a Youtube video?

[–]CJH_Politics [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Is that really important? What matters is how we responded DURING the crisis and that was badly fumbled by the military, not by Obama or Clinton. In fact from what I heard from conservative news sources is that it was the republicans who prevented them from having the support they needed (gotta give them credit for being able to point the finger at themselves when appropriate, something liberals will rarely do)

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

You do realize that the reason why there was a Benghazi commission was because of how badly the Administration handled the response, right?

I heard from conservative news sources is that it was the republicans who prevented them from having the support they needed

That's the dumbest thing I've heard. That's actually really, really dumb. We have forces set up to respond. They were ready and waiting to respond. Someone gave them the order to stand down and divert. We still don't know who gave those orders (Hint: It was Hillary).

The military was blamed for how this was handled, because all they did was listen to orders as they came in from POTUS, SECDEF, and the State Dept (Clinton).

[–]CJH_Politics [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Dude... an extremely conservative "obama sucks, hillary sucks, praise the military" am radio host that I listen to on the way to work every morning told me this morning that it was the republicans fault they didn't get the support they needed because of some funding issue or something... that's all I'm saying.

The military was blamed for how this was handled, because all they did was listen to orders as they came in from POTUS

...and what I heard today, from conservatives, is that the president did absolutely nothing wrong.

I'm not here to argue this point, I'm just telling you what I heard on WSYR out of Syracuse this morning...

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Dude... an extremely conservative "obama sucks, hillary sucks, praise the military" am radio host that I listen to on the way to work every morning told me this morning that it was the republicans fault they didn't get the support they needed because of some funding issue or something... that's all I'm saying.

And they are entirely wrong. Whoever said that, is a complete moron and should be laughed at.

...and what I heard today, from conservatives, is that the president did absolutely nothing wrong.

Did I say he did? I said the Administration... That includes the whole executive, to include the State Department.

[–]CJH_Politics [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Every single one of those is a leftist rag. It also doesn't help that they are entirely unrelated and doesn't relate to reality. We have to talk about reality here. The reality is, we had response teams ready. They were ordered to not go to Benghazi. The question remains, "Why?"

[–]CJH_Politics [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Every single one of those is a leftist rag

If you dismiss every argument because you don't like the source is it a Genetic Fallacy, an Ad Hominem, or a No True Scotsman?

They were ordered to not go to Benghazi.

Where did you hear this? I ask because it's absolutely not true and the official final report does not say anything like this. Talk about "relating to reality"...

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The Huffington Post is hardly a source. The first one supplied no actual documentation, facts, or statistics. It was just quotes. The Daily Kos quoted the Washington Post. Think Progress lets the cat out of the bag that it was in response to the Obama Admin stonewalling them and lying about what happened, but is still untrue for what happened prior to the attack (thus actually falsifying your argument entirely). Washington Post quotes Barbara Boxer, then the Huffington Post, but finishes with this nugget:

“However, there was no supplemental or OCO request made by the President for additional diplomatic security enhancements in FY 2010 or FY 2011,” the report pointedly noted.

The Washington Times cites no sources.

The MSNBC article was post-fact of Benghazi. Again, your argument is entirely moot.

Although Panetta ordered the deployment of a Marine Fleet Anti-terrorism Security Team, or FAST, those assets were sent to Tripoli and no military assets were sent to Benghazi, the report alleges.

That's from a leftist rag. Get it together, please.