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[–]hello_uncle_leo 25 points26 points27 points  (0 children)
I can't imagine her last moments, or her family's reaction. So sad.
[–]redditdire 52 points53 points54 points  (1 child)
Thread at world news already deleted.
[–]secretlyaplant 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
There's a new one up
[–]LOLebLebanon 65 points66 points67 points  (29 children)
Inna lillahi wa inna illahi raji'un.
You have my deepest condolences. No civilian should fear getting killed, especially children.
[–]singularineet 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
You have my deepest condolences. No civilian should fear getting killed, especially children.
Thank you. Every such death diminishes us all.
[–]evgenetic -59 points-58 points-57 points  (27 children)
what if those civilians directly and actively support israeli oppression of palestinians? (not talking about that girl of course, it's just that your argument made me think of that a bit).
[–]GavrielBA 9 points10 points11 points  (10 children)
Let's say we reverse it: "what if those civillian directly and actively support Palestinian oppression of Israelis?" Then there should be a proper trial and justice. Israel doesn't have capital punishment, by the way. I don't see why things should be any different the other way around unless you just hate Jews.
[+]evgenetic comment score below threshold-23 points-22 points-21 points  (9 children)
Palestinian oppression of Israelis
but there's no such thing, palestinians don't have the barest means to oppress anyone. so it's a bit of a pointless proposition to think about. nevertheless israel already heavily promotes collective punishment of civilians whether somehow involved or not, bibi already put it in action after this incident.
[–]ANP06 5 points6 points7 points  (5 children)
Ironic that you accuse Israel of collective punishment in a post about an innocent child who was killed by a Palestinian simply because she was Jewish...talk about collective punishment. If you Palestinians honestly think Israel is your oppressor...fine...but to act like you are on some higher moral ground is a joke. These types of attacks have been the norm for Palestinians for over 50 years.
[+]evgenetic comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (4 children)
it would maybe be ironic if israel didn't kill 10 or even 100 of times more of palestinian children in its whole existence.
[–]ANP06 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
Ya maybe if you rely on Hamas distorted made up death tolls....or maybe if you disregard the fact that Israel never, NEVER, intentionally targets civilians...unlike Hamas who despite Israeli warnings of an impending attacks tells their people to stay in their homes...and then uses those people and civilian areas as launching grounds and places to store ammunition...and has fired over 13,500 rockets aimlessly into Israel over the last decade.
It would be ironic if you had one bit of criticism for the Palestinian leaders and didnt blame every single thing that happens on Israel.
[–]evgenetic -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
i'm not here for debunking the most lowly and banal hasbarism...
when israel knows very well that its bombardments and attacks will cause at least the same amount of deaths to palestinian civilians as to combatants, while launching thousands of those attack, and all that to stop rocket attacks that have an extremely low chance of hurting anyone, you just can't call it as "not intentional" seriously.
i'm israeli so i'm not going to waste time criticizing palestinans and their leaders, it's their problem.
[–]ANP06 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Thats war man...especially when your enemy uses its own people as human shields. The only reason those rockets dont pose a threat is because Israel has iron dome and builds bomb shelters everywhere. If you are Israeli you should know that. You should also know that the rockets fired out of Hamas are only one form of attack.
A country has a right to defend itself, and Israel should not just sit back while Hamas fires thousands of rockets simply because they have a low chance of killing someone. Thats like saying I should be allowed to throw rocks at my neighbors house because it probably wont hurt anyone.
It is very much unintentional and in fact, Israel, especially considering they have been at war their whole history, has killed only 100k total arabs which includes militants and civilians and that is an extremely low death toll. In the recent Iraq war millions died, in Syria in the past couple years alone hundreds of thousands have died.
If youre Israeli, I take it you are one of those people that did whatever they could to not serve your country.
[–]evgenetic -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
i'm not here for debunking the most lowly and banal hasbarism...
[–]GavrielBA 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
You totally missed the main point of what I was trying to say. Focus on "if we reverse it" rather than what you focused on. Heck, who am I kidding, you don't give a flying spark on what I have to say unless it fits your predefined ideology. sigh
[–]evgenetic 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
just think a couple steps ahead before moaning about me ignoring your arguments. even if i play your stupid game of reversing it, does it really seem to you that proportionally more palestinians will find themselves as "supporters" of terrorism than israelis with their massive reservist force and military industrial complex?
[–]GavrielBA 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
My OP wasnt replying to you anyway, so eff off with your butthurt please
[–]birdgovorunIsrael 2 points3 points4 points  (15 children)
What does it mean to "directly and actively support israeli oppression of Palestinians"? Be more specific. This description is too general and can mean a thousand different things.
[+]evgenetic comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (14 children)
actively working for expulsion of palestinians and/or land confiscations in order to built own housing in those lands. lobbying for collective punishments and increase of their severity, and the severity of occupation and diminishing of the rights and opportunities of palestinians. preparing children for- and serving in the army to put those oppression policies into actions. financially sponsoring all of what i mentioned before.
[–]birdgovorunIsrael 6 points7 points8 points  (13 children)
Ok. Then no - people who do those things obviously should not expect to be killed because of it. This is also reflected in international law, which doesn't classify civilians who are engaged in those activities as combatants, and therefore they aren't legitimate targets by any western standard.
[–]evgenetic -2 points-1 points0 points  (12 children)
what they should expect is a different question is altogether, and what international law allows was not the point of contention to begin with.
[–]birdgovorunIsrael 6 points7 points8 points  (11 children)
The original statement was "no civilian should fear getting killed". So what they should justifiably expect is precisely what is being debated. The international law reflects basic moral principles and values - it is a basic indicator of what is and isn't justified.
[–]evgenetic -1 points0 points1 point  (10 children)
that seemed like a general statement to me, i assumed you're asking something more personal. for example i personally would expect palestinians to take revenge on me or even my family if i did all those things settlers are involved in doing. perhaps settlers feel what they're doing is completely justified and palestinains should in no way feel vengeful and act on those feelings.
the degree to which international law reflects ideal norms of morality (even the western ones it alleges to reflect) is far from perfect.
[–]birdgovorunIsrael 3 points4 points5 points  (9 children)
Realistically, some Israelis might expect "revenge" simply because they know that Palestinians like murdering Israelis. This is true also for kids: a child who knows that Palestinians sometimes murder Israeli children in their beds can realistically be afraid that this might happen to him as well. But this, I think, is obvious, and I don't know what there is to debate about it. The statement "no civilian should fear getting killed" isn't intended to tell us what is realistically happening, but what should happen. It reflects a moral stance about what is right and wrong, and what should be different if we want the world to be right. Murdering civilians for the reasons you described isn't morally right or justified, regardless of what the Palestinians think.
[–]evgenetic 0 points1 point2 points  (8 children)
It reflects a moral stance about what is right and wrong
well that's what i'm trying to debate, because it doesn't seem necessarily right to me that the people who fuel the israeli oppression and war machine would be seen as as innocents deserving of full protection under international law (and yes, i realize that it currently does protect them). the question of who should be regarded as participant in the conflict is more difficult than how you're trying to present it.
[–]getyourownthememusicאיו"ש 47 points48 points49 points  (1 child)
My sister taught her in school 😞
ברוך דיין האמת, נשמה יפה...
[–]TheLastSovietSniperIsrael 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
Wow. That hits close. I'm sorry.
[–]manniefabianIDF / Beit Shemesh[S] 51 points52 points53 points  (8 children)
BD"E
Edit: her name would more correctly be: "Hallel Yaffa Ariel"
[–]MatagyahItaly 27 points28 points29 points  (0 children)
my god
[–]pretentiously 8 points9 points10 points  (5 children)
That crime scene is horrific. It's such an awful way to die, and she was so young too.
[–]ghostofpennwast 9 points10 points11 points  (3 children)
this is so fucked. For someone to kill a young girl in cold blood just because of political disagreements...
it is so evil.
[–]pretentiously 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
It's so senseless. This girl didn't do anything to warrant such a brutal, premature ending to her life. And now she'll never get to grow up. She'll never experience so many amazing things. All so some asshole could make a statement.
[–]iwantogofishing -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
It's also sad that the terrorist grew up to be a hateful person and stopped seeing other people as humans.
Because of hate, two kids now lost their futures.
[–]SentByHim 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
he was taught it, it wasn't some twisted accident of fate, it was someone raised and trained so they'd do things like this. IIRC, it's part of some of the school's curriculum. How do you fight against that? It's a cultural problem, it's a civilization that teaches, endorses, and promotes hate, specifically toward Jews. This is a top down problem among the Palestinians, and one that's almost impossible to solve. You'd have to reeducate an entire population, many of whom don't want their minds changed.
[–]NewfiePS4 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
lets just hope she had a quick and painless death
[–]eaturbrainzfast rap smolan israel 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
That color shouldn't be in those places. And there's a teddy bear.
[–]blackdew 73 points74 points75 points  (30 children)
Post about the attack removed by /r/worldnews mods because apparently it's a "local crime story" - https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4qkjph/13_year_old_israeli_girl_killed_by_palestinian/
[–]Drangleic_Soldier 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
All the while there's a story about two Muslim girls being denied Swiss citizenship because they wouldn't swim with boys. ヽ（´ー｀）┌
[–]TUbit17 24 points25 points26 points  (15 children)
That subreddit pisses me off to no end.
[–]Alarabi98Kuwait comment score below threshold-29 points-28 points-27 points  (14 children)
It's filled with White people who think they have special privileges, they don't care about others...
[–]GavrielBA 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
I don't know why the dislikes. Yes, most reddit is filled with white people who are here just for lulz and ignorant bashing masquerading as righteousness .
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    [–]Alarabi98Kuwait 3 points4 points5 points  (8 children)
    Then I guess you've never been to my country :) Not All Kuwaitis are selfish assholes who think they are better than the world. Thankfully they are in the minority.
    [–]True_Stock_CanadianCanada 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
    Hey, man, on a completely different topic, how is Kuwait to visit for a westerner?
    [–]Alarabi98Kuwait 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
    Its a nice place to tour for a week. In terms of jobs, you'll get good pay depending on the job offers. If you're a westerner then you shouldn't really worry, people will just leave you alone and/or be friendly.
    [–]True_Stock_CanadianCanada 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    "Canadians have been denied entry into Kuwait because their passports bore: (a) an Israeli visa; (b) an Israeli border stamp; or (c) an Egyptian or Jordanian border stamp issued by an office bordering Israel (such a stamp would indicate entry from Israel)."
    Oops, well nevermind then!
    [–]Alarabi98Kuwait 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
    Law is law. Can't do anything about that. But then again, why did you get your passport stamped. I thought Israel doesn't do that anymore.
    [–]lookitsgordo 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    And likewise not all white people think they're better than the world lol
    [–]Alarabi98Kuwait 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I'm talking about the people in /r/worldnews not white people in general m8.
    [–][deleted]  (2 children)
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      [–]JWAxeManUSA 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
      I got banned from posting there for telling a nazi to fuck off.
      [–]Jasonberg 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
      Getting banned from there is a badge of honor.
      [–]Tanuki_Attack 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
      Why is this "local" when they have shit like orlando in it.
      [–]iwantogofishing 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Aren't all news local? Or from the other end: we all live on a tiny rock in space, everything is pretty much 'next door'.
      [–]Anon49Israel 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Keep posting it. Their community will keep upvoting it.
      this is still up though.
      [–]spartan6222 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      It was local crime, now it is known she is a US citizen, making it world news, I reposted
      [–][deleted]  (6 children)
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        [–]Dear_OccupantUSA 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
        Did you seriously just link that subreddit in /r/Israel.
        [–]armchair_hunter 11 points12 points13 points  (4 children)
        A subreddit run by the mods of /r/european.
        Totally trustworthy and certainly uncensored /s.
        [–][deleted]  (3 children)
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          [–]introshIsrael 27 points28 points29 points  (1 child)
          ת.נ.צ.ב.ה
          May her soul be bound in the bundle of life.
          [–]Shadowex3 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          הי״ד.
          [–]heysaft 78 points79 points80 points  (10 children)
          I just checked /r/Palestine. This is what the title looks like there:
          "1 Palestinian, 1 Israeli killed, another wounded in Hebron-area settlement attack"
          Oh, and it was downvoted. Fucking terrorist scum
          [–]yourmomsbox2000 17 points18 points19 points  (1 child)
          Here is the first para on that story
          BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) -- A Palestinian teenager was killed on Thursday morning in an Israeli settlement in the southern occupied West Bank after carrying out an attack against a 13-year-old Israeli girl who later succumbed to her wounds, as one other Israeli was wounded in the case.
          [–]ilikekingdomhearts 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
          Holy shit that is maddening the way it's phrased.
          [–]manniefabianIDF / Beit Shemesh[S] 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
          [–]LordPhantom 28 points29 points30 points  (5 children)
          That sub is straight cancer. So many cowards
          [–]ShamanSTKUSA 71 points72 points73 points  (3 children)
          To be fair, it's downvoted because it's maan and the highest rated comment with 22 votes is
          Let's rephrase that:
          "Palestinian terrorist shot after murdering an Israeli girl in her sleep".
          Let's not lump them all together.
          [–]JIDF_Shill2Israel -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
          That's because you guys brigaded it.
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            [–]ilikekingdomhearts 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
            There is certainly some fact distortion here sometimes. Let's not pretend to be perfect.
            [–]ZachofFablesProtoss Zealot 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
            At least they posted it. /r/Arabs and /r/Islam (the places where actual Palestinians hang out) just ignored it like they always do.
            [–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points  (25 children)
            To any fuckhead that is looking at this now and justify this cold blooded murder as a reasonable and expected response for the occupation: You are the human garbage of this world and I wait to see how you justify when your own child is murdered in cold blood by a maniac. You can oppose the Israeli policy and current government (as I do) but the moment you justify this you are getting within the moral level as the murderer itself.
            [–]anglofiler 4 points5 points6 points  (24 children)
            Who justifies attacks on children? They are not independent, voluntary actors in this conflict but are inserted into it by their parents, so they are blameless by definition.
            [–]CooosemekTel Aviv 20 points21 points22 points  (22 children)
            You would be surprised, go spend some time in /r/Palestine and even /r/IsraelPalestine and you will see plenty of justification.
            [–]anglofiler 1 point2 points3 points  (12 children)
            I have seen much understanding and some empathy—never justification. Why should there be? This type of murder is in no one's interest and serves no tactical nor strategic objective.
            Care to point to an example?
            [–]birdgovorunIsrael 2 points3 points4 points  (10 children)
            Well, it is a matter of fact that there are many Palestinians who think that murdering Israelis, even Israeli children, is justified. One such example is the terrorist who did this, and many other Palestinian terrorist organizations and their supporters. Otherwise it wouldn't be happening.
            [–]anglofiler -3 points-2 points-1 points  (9 children)
            As I am sure you know, there are plenty of Palestinian children killed by the IDF. Does that mean that Israel or the IDF "justify it"? "Otherwise it wouldn't be happening."?
            In this case, there is no evidence that there is anyone except for the perpetrator who can be assumed to be "justifying" this horrific deed.
            [–]birdgovorunIsrael 5 points6 points7 points  (8 children)
            I'm not sure what you are talking about. Almost every Palestinian terrorist organization had openly justified and engaged in the murder of Israeli civilians, including children. Buses full of men, women and children used to blow up in Israeli cities almost every week. There are actual polls that show Palestinian support for terrorist actions against Israeli civilians. There is evidence of Palestinian support of terrorists who murdered civilians and children.
            I also don't understand your comparison with the IDF. The vast majority of children killed by the IDF were either killed because they were directly engaged in hostile activities that endangered the lives of others, or because they were in vicinity to legitimate military targets that were bombed. This clearly isn't the case with Palestinian terrorism, which targets civilians regardless of what threat they pose, and for the sole purpose of killing them.
            [–]RealityKing4Hire 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
            There are actual polls that show Palestinian support for terrorist actions against Israeli civilians.
            Of course there are. Look at what Israel has done to their country. Now this doesn't justify killing children by any means, but Israel has been performing genocide on the Palestinians for decades.
            [–]birdgovorunIsrael 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
            Of course there are.
            Good. I'm glad that you are agreeing with me that many Palestinians do justify the murder of children, just like I was saying.
            Israel has been performing genocide on the Palestinians for decades
            k
            [–]RealityKing4Hire -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
            k
            Good. I'm glad that you are agreeing with me that many Israelis do justify the genocide of Palestine, just like I was saying.
            See what I did there?
            [–]RichardArschmann 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
            This crime is 100% unjustifiable under any modern humanitarian law. Crimes like this induce skepticism about whether or not Israel and Palestine can live in peace with each other.
            [–]WenieWaggler -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
            They've been fighting for over 2000 years and you just now realized they don't make good neighbors?
            [–]anglofiler 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
            They've been fighting for over 2000 nearly 100 years
            FTFY.
            [–]CooosemekTel Aviv 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
            I am not referring to this incident specifically, I am referring to other incidents of the children of settlers being murdered in cold blood and the response on the subs I mentioned being that it's justified, because their parents are settlers and that makes them combatants.
            [–]WenieWaggler 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
            Both sides have attempted to justify doing horrible shit. Not just the Palestinians.
            [–]uncannylizard 0 points1 point2 points  (7 children)
            Feels like you are looking for and inventing reasons to be outraged. There are like 1 or 2 people that I know of on /r/Palestine who would ever justify terrorism out of all the people on that sub, and everyone who justifies terrorism on /r/israelpalestine has been banned a long time ago.
            [–]ANP06 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
            1 to 2 people on /r/Palestine? Are you serious? I got banned there for criticizing them for the endless support of Barghouti as their ideal leader despite the fact that he is sitting in Israeli prison on five life sentences for being the mastermind behind the first and second intifada. Every single Palestinian leaders has explicitly encouraged and praised these types of attacks. When you support the Palestinian leaders you support terror - there are no two ways of looking at it. Its like saying you support Hitler but you dont support him massacring Jews.
            [–]uncannylizard 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
            You are straight up BSing. Abbas has condemned all significant attacks and the Shin Bet and the IDF both credit him with stopping hundreds of attacks.
            [–]ANP06 -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
            Lol no he hasnt, and any credit given to him by Israel is simply to keep him in power over Hamas..its not like they dont believe he is a terrorist who will likely pay the family of this murderer. Abbas was Arafats right hand man and I can pull up countless press conferences in arabic where he praises attacks like these.
            [–]uncannylizard 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
            No the Israeli political leaders condemn Abbas. Its the IDF and Shin Bet who praise him. And no, Abbas calls for peace in english and in arabic and condemns all these attacks. Stop making up stuff.
            [–]ANP06 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
            OK - thats why he was hand selected by Arafat as his right hand man and eventual leader of the PLO...because his views are so different from Arafats...
            If you dont believe Abbas has consistently encouraged terror than you havent been paying attention.
            Also, praising Abbas at all is just demonstrative of the biggest problem plaguing the Palestinian people. He has literally gotten rich off the backs of his own people, reportedly worth over 200 million. Arafat died a billionaire. All of the Hamas leaders are either billionaires or multi millionaires. Not only do they encourage terror, but they take money meant for the people and get rich.
            Corruption and terror is the Palestinian leaders way.
            [–]uncannylizard -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
            Now you are throwing around right wing propaganda points that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. Everything you can think of. "corruption is bad, maybe ill throw that in there to further slander the Palestinians".
            [–]SentByHim 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
            I agree, it's a top down problem
            [–]birdgovorunIsrael 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
            Justifying attacks on children and claiming that the children themselves are personaly responsible for it are two completely different things. One can easily do the former without doing the latter.
            [–]Alarabi98Kuwait 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
            RIP
            [–]Heliopolis1992Egypt 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
            As an Egyptian and a human I wanted to present my condolences. No matter what my opinions are on the conflict or settlements, children should not be murdered in the name of any cause.
            [–]SunshineJonnyUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
            Amen.
            [–]SentByHim 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
            As an Egyptian and a human
            thanks for the clarification :) lol
            [–]taeem 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
            Is there an article associated with this? So sad. May she rest in peace.
            [–][deleted]  (5 children)
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              [–]manniefabianIDF / Beit Shemesh[S] 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)
              Here take this -> /s
              [–]akivachaimארץ ישראל לעם ישראל על פי תורת ישראל 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
              Thanks achi.
              [–]Paladin_of_TrumpIsrael 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
              Is that really necessary?
              [–]TUbit17 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              Sadly yes
              [–]LetsSeeTheFacts comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (0 children)
              This is trolling. The user should be banned.
              [–]audioburglar 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
              Kids killing kids. Moreover for a political/religious reasons. Stop the Earth , I want to get off now.
              [–]razzinos 12 points13 points14 points  (4 children)
              A new palestinian hero was born
              Are we going to pay his family few millions as we did with turkish "freedom fighters"?
              [–]anglofiler 11 points12 points13 points  (3 children)
              Comparing the military attack on a boat in international waters where activists who chose to be there were killed—regardless of whether you justify the attack or what it reasons were—to an attack on a defenseless, sleeping child brought into a conflict zone by its parents is ridiculous and shameful.
              Criticizing the deal Israel made with Turkey can be easily done without such a comparison.
              [–]razzinos -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
              I dont see a difference between giving compensation to marmara activists and to the family of this killer. None should get a penny
              [–]anglofiler 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
              I dont see a difference
              Precisely. You should.
              By lumping everything together, you lose support and cannot advocate any part of your cause. The world views the nuances of the situation and if you say "they are the same", then you lose anyone who thinks that the Marmara activists were legitimate—as do most people outside Israel—and they will not oppose the child murder. You make justifying the child-murder that much easier.
              [–]razzinos 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
              I dont need support of these who might support child murder due to reddit post.
              [–]pretentiously 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
              Here is the link to the BBC article. RIP Hallel Yaffa Ariel
              [–]first_five-eighth 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
              This one is so horrific even the BBC can't whitewash the headline.
              [–]BrahmsAllDay 4 points5 points6 points  (29 children)
              Let's see how Mr. Security will react to this. Let's see how our tough guy Minister of Defence will react to this. Our children are being slaughtered while they sleep and our impotent government can only offer up words in response..
              [–]TUbit17 8 points9 points10 points  (28 children)
              Do we really want another war? My friends were fucked up from protective edge and I don't want to see the guys 2 years younger have to do the same shit.
              [–]BrahmsAllDay 10 points11 points12 points  (24 children)
              Another war will happen whether you like it or not. The only question is how many more Israelis need to die before we actually do something about it.
              [–]TUbit17 6 points7 points8 points  (23 children)
              Maybe if we didn't need to risk our soldiers to protect the people living in settlements and instead just had to focus on our borders less Israelis would die. Maybe if the religious were forced to send their kids to the army then they wouldn't be the scum of the country leeching off of our taxes, having tons of kids and getting better government aid than those who serve we wouldn't have so many Israelis dying.
              If the international community didn't have the west bank to use as justification for palestinian support and we let them patrol their own borders, they would support us when attacks continued.
              [–]ANP06 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
              Violence against Israelis predated occupation and pre dated independence...its incredibly idealistic to believe attacks will stop if Israel were to stop building settlements.
              [–]TUbit17 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              That's literally not what I said. I was saying that we need the left wing to understand that attacks won't stop and a unilateral withdrawal is an easy way to prove that/ destroy that excuse.
              [–]garbagecoderMurica 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
              Please. The Palestinians will never stop using Israel as their scapegoat, state or no state, occupation or no.
              [–]uncannylizard 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
              "I have faith that occupation and settlements have nothing to do with the Israel-Palestine conflict, therefore I now have given myself permission to expand settlement for the rest of eternity". How very convenient.
              [–]TUbit17 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              I agree but maybe the us can stop funding them.
              [–]YairJWell #7 2 points3 points4 points  (8 children)
              Excuses are a thin cover over the real motivations, and easily replaced.
              [–]TUbit17 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
              I agree they are excuses but taking away excuses at a low cost to us (we do not need the west bank for any reason other than to appeal to the religious) isn't a bad idea.
              [–]scisslizz 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
              taking away excuses at a low cost to us
              Is the entire Israel/Arab conflict just a spat on the Internet?
              [–]TUbit17 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              I don't understand
              [–]JWAxeManUSA -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
              Yes but the strategic advantage of calming things down by abandoning the settlement policy is undeniable. Israel should build up, not horizontally. Don't give them excuses. Let the world see their zealous hatred for what it is.
              [–]YairJWell #7 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
              Rewarding evil can only encourage it.
              [–]JWAxeManUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              I mean, it's not so much about evil as it is about all the civilians.
              [–]uncannylizard 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              Speed up the settlement expansion. Israel never tried that before.
              [–]scisslizz 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
              Israel evacuated Gaza, and has received nothing but grief and rockets.
              [–]JIDF_Shill2Israel 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
              were forced to send their kids to the army then they wouldn't be the scum of the country leeching off of our taxes, having tons of kids and getting better government aid than those who serve we wouldn't have so many Israelis dying.
              Funny,this is also correct about Israeli Arabs and if you switched the words you would be banned instatly.
              [–]TUbit17 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
              Yes... Similarly to how Arabs can kill Arabs and black people can use the n word I can critique parts of my society of the same race/ethnicity/ whatever the correct word is.
              [–]Jasonberg 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
              The delusion that these murders (Kiryat Arba, Tel Aviv, etc.) have ANYTHING to do with the West Bank is a sickness that requires strong medicine.
              The people that would blow themselves up at the Turkish airport or go over a yishuv wall to stab a sleeping girl are not going to stop killing because they have some land in the West Bank.
              They don't want the West Bank. They don't want Gaza. They don't want Jews on what they believe is their land ANYWHERE. And once the Jews are gone, they will continue against Christians and whomever else doesn't bow down to their beliefs. This is Sharia and you are hallucinating off the Tel Aviv mayor's fumes to believe that anything other than combat against these psychopaths will work.
              The people of the settlements are the canary in the coal mine. The war against radical Islam requires a buffer, just like the Golan provides in the north.
              [–]TUbit17 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
              I'm not trying to change those people. I'm trying to change the left wing people who don't understand what they support.
              [–]Jasonberg 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              That's all you can do.
              Keep it up!
              [–]BrahmsAllDay -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
              Maybe if we didn't need to risk our soldiers to protect the people living in settlements and instead just had to focus on our borders less Israelis would die.
              Maybe if we just "went back to Poland", less Israelis would die...
              Maybe if the religious were forced to send their kids to the army then they wouldn't be the scum of the country leeching off of our taxes, having tons of kids and getting better government aid than those who serve we wouldn't have so many Israelis dying.
              Are you joking? Dati leumi send their kids to the army..I agree on haredim, but you can't lump all "religious" together..
              If the international community didn't have the west bank to use as justification for palestinian support and we let them patrol their own borders, they would support us when attacks continued.
              Support us in what? What will be "allowed" to do if Tel Aviv comes until constant rocket fire that we can't do now?
              [–]ChicoBean 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
              I understand that you're young, but this is so incredibly naive. Stop buying into this bullshit that this has anything at all to do with the "settlements." This has been going on in all of Israel for 100 years already.
              [–]TUbit17 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
              Fuck off. I'm not trying to change the Palestinians minds I'm trying to cut off their money from the west. Don't insult me and then go on to argue against something I didn't say. I know the Palestinians will keep attacking I said that. I know it's only about Jews existing... Force the international community to learn this by.
              [–]Nowhrmn[removed by request] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
              How did you manage to say this without being downvoted into the dust...?
              [–]ferretRapeIsrael 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              It's never going to stop. The same battles you and I fight today our grandchildren will fight when we are gone.
              [–]eaturbrainzfast rap smolan israel 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              People in this sub are going to be angry, but you're right. A war without a strategy and a goal is just emotion.
              [–]eddiebruceandpaul 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
              I'm sure there will be marches in Ramallah and Gaza calling for an end to the murdering of innocent children.
              [–]Jasonberg 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
              There will be candy passed out so children can learn to hate and kill just like the new martyr.
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                  [–]donkey_supremeIsrael 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                  They're gonna cheer in the streets after this.
                  [–]JIDF_Shill2Israel 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                  It has nothing to do with the 100s of terrorists who were before him,all "lone wolves",isolated cases amirite?
                  [–]Menial_Tasking 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
                  Not Israeli. Only saw this after scrolling down on /r/All for a long time. I qm sorry for the loss everyone feels.
                  This is ridiculous. /r/Worldnews should be ashamed.
                  What kind of coward attacks a child?
                  [–]NewfiePS4 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
                  What kind of coward attacks a child?
                  a pussy a straight up pussy
                  [–]asdfjlk55 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
                  Don't insult female anatomy by comparing it to this scum.
                  [–]SentByHim 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  my thought exactly, I can't say I've ever met a pussy I fully disapproved of.
                  [–]iranianshill 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                  Beautiful little girl, heart breaking... May her soul rest in peace and may her attack rot in a pile of shit for all of eternity.
                  These are the kinds of attacks westerners should be exposed to in order to understand the reality of this conflict but world news won't let this story through.
                  [–]-Freiheit-America 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  This is just fucked. So fucked. Fuck this piece of shit. Fuck anyone who tries to defend this piece of shit's actions. Goddammit, I fucking hate this world sometimes.
                  To all my Israeli friends, stay safe!
                  [–]FlankerlAustria 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Just sad.
                  If only there was a way to transport the entire Cave from Hebron to somewhere else.
                  [–]ferretRapeIsrael 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Fuck. This.shit. May her memory be a eternal blessing.
                  [–]stonecatsNYC 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  mean while world media focuses on a washington active shooter,
                  which turns out was a drill someone in the media mistook as real.
                  jews world over heart breaks over today's news, and is sicked by
                  the "free speech" tolerated incitement that promotes it, while the
                  folk on /r/worldnews overlook this as just another dead jew story,
                  so business as usual...
                  for those not aware - kiryat arba is a militant bunch of religious jews,
                  the local arabs don't know it yet, but they just poked a hornets nest.
                  [–]yummie4mytummie 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Oh my heart
                  [–]skullblasta 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Rest in peace :'(
                  [–]mirbachur 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Baruch database hahemes
                  [–]jflyeah 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  This is all so petty and caused by an ancient and outdated religion the land is not holy.. It's beat it's dirt, non fertile. It's sad that there is so much hatred and anger brought on by religions that are "full" of love and joy. It's just sad the rest of the world looks on with pity and shame. Especially those who hold no religious values. Taking innocent lives for a god who's not even helping supporting or Saving as he supposedly did in ancient times in this land. Idont want to bash religion but this is hard to watch and no one will want to help for much longer if neither side can help themselves.
                  [–]MatagyahItaly 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  This story really shocked me, I wrote a post on facebook and surprisingly lots of people liked it and told me that this was terrible. I know that a lots of you will think that this is useless and that crying after but not doing something before is stupid, but somethimes this stupid things help me to have at least a bit of faith in human being and to believe that not all the propaganda hit its objective.
                  [–]81boxLebanon 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Absolutely revolting. Rest in peace.
                  [–]qmechanUSA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Baruch dayan emet. Rest in peace.
                  [–]random_number_string 0 points1 point2 points  (11 children)
                  The New York Times headline reads: A 19-year-old Palestinian killed a 13-year-old girl in her bedroom in a West Bank settlement
                  Assholes.
                  HYD. :'(
                  [–]jewamiUSA 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                  Honestly, this is a much better headline than the bullshit that has been out in the past; any complaints about this one are just nitpicking in my view. In the past it would have been something like "Palestinian Killed by Israeli Security After Allegedly Stabbing Girl" or something like that. This headline specifically says without question that the Palestinian terrorist was the one who did this horrific act and the accent is put in his action rather than the fact that he was killed after.
                  [–]random_number_string 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  I could be mistaken, but I believe those kinds of headlines are much more common in European media than from the New York Times.
                  For example, the headline of the Tel Aviv shooting in the NYT was: "Palestinian Gunmen Open Fire in Tel Aviv, Leaving Four Dead." It's a slight deflection of responsibility, a better headline would be "Palestinian Gunmen Open Fire in a Tel Aviv Cafe, Killing Four," but that would be a quibble.
                  ETA: Actually, an ever better headline would be "Palestinian Terrorists Kill Four Jews in Tel Aviv Cafe Shooting Spree."
                  ETA2: New tweet from them: "A 19-year-old Palestinian stabbed a 13-year-old Israeli girl to death in her bedroom in a West Bank settlement" with a link to an article with a slightly different headline.
                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                  Link?
                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Thanks. Every time I read those things, I hate the media a little bit more...
                  [–]AlwaystruePalestine -1 points0 points1 point  (5 children)
                  Honest question: what's wrong with that?
                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                  They didn't say she (or he? Different sources) was a terrorists.
                  [–]uncannylizard 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Honestly? Thats what you are worried about?
                  [–]random_number_string 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                  First, it doesn't describe the Palestinian as a man, which in newspaper parlance he would normally be. Under 18 is a boy, 18+ is a man, regardless of how immature most 19-year-olds are. By leaving out the word "man" it leads people to think of him as a minor since he's still technically in his teens.
                  Second, it didn't describe the girl as Jewish, leaving it ambiguous for people who aren't especially informed about which people live in a "West Bank settlement." It doesn't automatically lead people to think "this was a terrorist attack on a Jewish child," it leads people to think "this was some kind of crime based on unknown factors."
                  Third, conversely, by describing her as a girl who lives in a West Bank settlement it's a wink and nod to people who are informed that this attack was justified in some way or that it's the fault of the Jews living there.
                  The unbiased headline is, "Palestinian man murdered 13-year-old Jewish girl in her bedroom in 20th* terrorist attack in Israel since Ramadan began."
                  *I made this number up for illustrative purposes.
                  [–]uncannylizard -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
                  He is 19. There is no misinformation or misimpression here. It does not say "Palestinian teen". It says Palestinian 19 year old. There is zero bias.
                  And no, girl killed in settlement is obviously Jewish. 0.00% of people were confused about the ethnicity here.
                  And it is a west bank settlement. If they described the attack as occurring in Israel it would be false. Your version of the headline is 100% wrong. The attack did not occur in Israel. It occurred in a west bank settlement.
                  Your headline is worse than the New York Times headline in every single conceivable way. It contains less information, it is less precise, it contains wrong facts. Its just terrible in all ways.
                  [–]random_number_string 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  He is 19. There is no misinformation or misimpression here. It does not say "Palestinian teen". It says Palestinian 19 year old. There is zero bias.
                  The fact that you object to calling this person a man shows your own bias. In fact, in the very first sentence of the article he's referred to as a teenager, while later in the article an 18-year-old female is referred to as a woman.
                  Like I said above, the New York Times's policy is to refer to people 18+ as men and women. And here they violated it, for what reason do you think? Newspapers are usually sticklers for their style rules.
                  Plus, why his age important but his gender isn't? Not all terrorists are men.
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                    [–]anglofiler 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
                    Do you know anything about the killer? Why do you assume that he needed incitement?
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                      [–]anglofiler 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
                      Walk a mile in his shoes. The reality of his daily life may have been enough to turn him into a killer. No incitement required.
                      [–]ANP06 -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                      Have you been to the West Bank? Its much closer to Israeli society that Somalian society. The strife the Palestinians like to complain about so much pales in comparison to much of the underdeveloped world.
                      [–]anglofiler 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                      His shoes. Him as an individual. There is no generalization possible on this and he certainly does not compare to some average or typical individual, whether in the OPT or anywhere else in the underdeveloped world.
                      The point is, that the whole "incitement" shtick seeks to ascribe responsibility for an individual's actions to someone else—the inciter, as if he would not do it of his own accord.
                      Read some of Giveon Levy's descriptions of what life is like for the Palestinians in the OPT and assume the person was heavily affected by some trauma—as nearly everyone there is, at some point in their life—and you will see that there is no need to add anything. There is enough potential reasons there, in that person's biography, to explain almost anything.
                      [–]ANP06 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      So now you are trying to justify murder...gotcha.
                      [–]eaturbrainzfast rap smolan israel -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                      בחימר לא יאירה, לא יחזירה לכאן.
                      [–]shiv68 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                      So sad.
                      [–]Nowhrmn[removed by request] comment score below threshold-52 points-51 points-50 points  (83 children)
                      It's sad that children are being sent to live at the front of a neverending war.
                      RIP Hillel.
                      [–]akivachaimארץ ישראל לעם ישראל על פי תורת ישראל 17 points18 points19 points  (4 children)
                      That line of thinking crumbles once you realize that there was an attack in Tel Aviv on people eating ice cream a couple weeks ago. Face it: anywhere a Jew is in the entire Middle East, s/he is in danger of being slaughtered by a terrorist for the simple reason of existing.
                      [–]Weyl-fermions 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
                      Jews in France Jews in Belgium
                      a Jew anywhere is in danger of being slaughtered by a terrorist for the simple reason of existing.
                      [–]Nowhrmn[removed by request] 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                      Anyone anywhere is at risk of being killed by terrorists. You can even be Muslim and ISIS will kill you for no reason. In spite of that, we still need to behave reasonably.
                      [–]Weyl-fermions 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      In Charlie Hebdo, for example, the terrorists targeted journalists because they didn't like their journalism.
                      They then targeted Jews because they were Jews. What did they have against French Jews? That they were Jewish.
                      [–]uncannylizard 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      Huldai, mayor of Tel Aviv after the Sarona attack: “We can’t keep these people in a reality in which they are occupied and [expect] them to reach the conclusion that everything is all right and that they can continue living this way".
                      The fact that attacks happen in Tel Aviv does not mean that these attacks have 'nothing' do to do with the occupation and settlement of Palestine.
                      [–]manniefabianIDF / Beit Shemesh[S] 24 points25 points26 points  (25 children)
                      Victim blaming.
                      [–]TheNoobArserYet Another Joo 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
                      You said yourself it's a never ending war - if people give in and don't live where there might be attacks the terrorists won. There is no point in doing that, especially if attacks can reach Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.
                      [–]tayaravakninLazy, Underpaid Zionist Shill 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
                      It's sad that someone could blame the choice of where to live for her murder.
                      It's even sadder that if I said Palestinians shouldn't build illegally in Area C near settlements (as they regularly do) and a Palestinian teen was murdered in their bed, you'd probably not say a word about "sending children" to the front.
                      [–]Nowhrmn[removed by request] 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                      I don't approve of Palestinian parents putting their children in harm's way, but I don't have an issue with Palestinians building in Palestine (Area C). Why should you? If "Jews can build houses" in Palestine along with their segregation and military coterie to keep out undesirables, why not Palestinians?
                      [–]urmomsgoinoutwsqueak 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      Same guys who call IDF murderers for killing protesters and leave out the fact that they throw molotov cocktails.
                      [–]TheLastSovietSniperIsrael 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                      Fuck off.
                      [–]BrahmsAllDay 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
                      Yeah Jews..go back to your homes in Poland. Only then will your children be safe..
                      [–]Nowhrmn[removed by request] -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                      You are really obsessed with Poland. It's okay, no one is sending you back.
                      [–]AlwaystruePalestine comment score below threshold-26 points-25 points-24 points  (41 children)
                      A very important point that must not be lost in this horribly sad story. This girl's family decided to live in Kiryat Arba, a town that is nowhere near Israel, in the midst of a population that both the Israel state and most people in this sub treat as enemies of Israel - it's a point we have no trouble remembering when children are killed when Israel bombs Gaza ("their parents voted for Hamas", "Hamas uses human shields", etc.).
                      [–]koala-conspiracy 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
                      "Hamas used human shields" vs "deliberately target a kid".
                      [–]IngrownPubezIsrael 11 points12 points13 points  (17 children)
                      yeah, and what about those sitting in the cafes in Tel Aviv who were murdered by Palestinians? whats the excuse there?
                      [–]manniefabianIDF / Beit Shemesh[S] 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
                      Victim blaming.
                      [–]deanreevesii 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                      You need to look up some fucking logical fallacies.
                      Repeating the phrase "victim blaming" like some kind of retarded mantra doesn't rebut the logical point made by any of the people you're disagreeing with.
                      All it does is show how close minded you are to admitting wrongdoing on the part of anyone who isn't Palestinian.
                      I wouldn't "settle" in a hostile foreign land without expecting casualty, and that you do only illustrates how you're as much a party of the problem as you are a "victim."
                      [–]manniefabianIDF / Beit Shemesh[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                      So explain why Palestinians attack in Tel Aviv?
                      Or why there was attacks before the occupation of the West Bank, or even before the state of Israel?
                      [–]tayaravakninLazy, Underpaid Zionist Shill 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                      This girl's family decided to live in Kiryat Arba, a town that is nowhere near Israel, in the midst of a population that both the Israel state and most people in this sub treat as enemies of Israel
                      Why should terrorists determine where Israelis live, if they can legally buy the land and live on it?
                      Why is that a justification or even "context"? Thou shalt not murder, it's a commandment incumbent in most religions and general non-asshat people, including Palestinians. So why is it at all relevant that the parents chose to buy a house somewhere, to the fact that their teenage daughter was murdered?
                      If someone said, "Well, they chose to go to Somalia" when a person who moved their died, we'd call them a dick and with good reason.
                      it's a point we have no trouble remembering when children are killed when Israel bombs Gaza ("their parents voted for Hamas", "Hamas uses human shields", etc.).
                      The former is something I don't agree with. The latter is not the same. Deliberately firing rockets near civilians with the intent of making it harder to respond because of the presence of human shields is not the same as buying a house legally and living somewhere that isn't perfectly safe. It's not your fault if you move to Chicago and get shot, any more than it is relevant that you chose to move there. What's relevant is that you were shot in cold blood. The same applies here.
                      [–]YellowSox91Israel -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
                      Kiryat Arba is part of Israel.
                      [–]AlwaystruePalestine -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                      Government-sanctioned map, please.
                      [–]Nowhrmn[removed by request] comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (14 children)
                      I don't think any child can possibly consent to living in a war zone. Any parent who tries to raise one there, when they have the choice of living in Israel, should be prosecuted for child endangerment.
                      I mean, if we ignore all the other issues that will get this post downvoted too fast for anyone to see it.
                      [–]birdgovorunIsrael 10 points11 points12 points  (5 children)
                      Kiryat Arba isn't a war zone, and the most deadly acts of Palestinian terrorism weren't in settlements. Considering the amount of wars and terrorism this country had and continues to have - children shouldn't be raised in Israel at all, and every parent who raises his children within rocket range from Gaza or Lebanon should be prosecuted. We should all just pack and move to Australia, right?
                      [–]Nowhrmn[removed by request] 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
                      If it's not a war zone, why is it in a region that is under military occupation as part of a 70 year war, suffering constant violence, and not recognised as Israeli by any country in the world?
                      Israel is yours. It may be unsafe, but it belongs to you. Sending children to face danger in someone else's country when you don't have to is reprehensible. There's no excuse for it.
                      [–]birdgovorunIsrael 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
                      Being under a military occupation has nothing to do with being a war zone. Those terms are unrelated. Have you ever been in an Israeli settlement, or a real war zone? Nearly every place in Israel has been "suffering constant violence" during the last 70 years, and many have seen far more violence than Kiryat Arba. Some settlements are probably objectively much safer for children than certain towns in Israel proper.
                      Israel is yours. It may be unsafe, but it belongs to you. Sending children to face danger in someone else's country when you don't have to is reprehensible. There's no excuse for it.
                      Thanks. So now we know that your opinion has nothing to do with any real concern for the safety of children - it's simply a reflection of your political opinion about the settlements.
                      [–]valleyshrewUnited Kingdom -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                      Israel is yours. It may be unsafe, but it belongs to you. Sending children to face danger in someone else's country when you don't have to is reprehensible.
                      There is no border. Neither Israelis or Palestinians recognise a border. The ceasefire line is not a border, it's just a start for negotiations on the actual border and that was always the intention of it.
                      If Jews started murdering Israeli Arab kids in their beds at night, would you be making excuses for the Jews? Admittedly Kiryat Arba is never going to be part of Israel, but why can't Jews live in Palestine?
                      [–]tayaravakninLazy, Underpaid Zionist Shill 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
                      I don't think any child can possibly consent to living in a war zone.
                      All of Israel is a warzone for terrorists. Just like all of the Palestinian territories are. Does that mean Israel can brush off a death of a Palestinian in Area C as being the result of "living in a warzone"?
                      Any parent who tries to raise one there, when they have the choice of living in Israel, should be prosecuted for child endangerment
                      Yeah, because apparently choosing where you want to live should be determined by terrorist desires, and if you don't roll over, you should be prosecuted /s.
                      "Any Palestinian parent who tries to raise a child in Area C, when they have the choice of living in Ramallah, should be prosecuted for child endangerment."
                      [–]Nowhrmn[removed by request] 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
                      I like that you find Israel's occupation of Area C (which belongs to Palestine) to be comparable to the behaviour of Palestinian terrorists.
                      Sending a child to be part of a colonial vanguard is very different continuing to live in your native land under military occupation and around violent colonists.
                      [–]wheelsofconfusion666 -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                      Neither the palestinians or the israelis are the good guys in this shit. How many of your people have to die before you start pointing your finger at your "leaders that keep this shit going and dont give a damn about you.
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