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[–]Rapinedel94 -9ポイント-8ポイント  (77子コメント)

This is pathetic. Yet another full priced remaster that the sheep will be all over. You should all be taking a stand against this sort of thing. Stop buying old content with a few bells and whistles for the price of a new full length title. This may not be as bad as the Skyrim remaster as at least it has three games with DLC but the strategy with these remasters this gen has really killed my confidence in gaming going forward. Shame on those who purchase this instead of getting them on 360/PS3 like you should.

[–]RememberNobleGaming 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Shame on those who purchase this instead of getting them on 360/PS3 like you should.

You know, not everyone here owns a prevous-gen console...Not everyone has played BioShock here either.

[–]Rapinedel94 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then they should buy one. You can get a 360 for 90 dollars here in Australia pre owned. Not only can you play Bioshock but you can play a heap of other exciting games the same people wouldn't have played so it's a win win! The 'not owning a previous gen console' is not a good enough excuse.

[–]MattAaron2112 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

Or maybe people can make their own decisions in life? Some of us are excited to play through these again in 1080p at 60fps (if IGN and co. are reporting that correctly). Bringing older games to newer consoles isn't something that started this generation, and I sincerely hope you know that. It's been going on for decades, and that's because these things sell. People DO want to pay for the convenience of playing a superior version of their favorite games on their everyday console so they don't have to go digging in their closet to bring an old system out just for one game.

[–]Rapinedel94 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

If you're excited about that you're clearly easily pleased. For 99 bucks I expect new quality content. I played through the Bioshock games after they came out and got them all on 360 for 5-10 bucks. People supporting this rubbish are contributing to less games being made in the future in favour of these packages.

[–]MattAaron2112 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

99 bucks? What are you on about? And 2K making money off this helps them fund more projects, both originals and updates.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm in Australia which I should pointed out. Games that are $60 for you are $99 standard retail for us although sometimes you can get them a little cheaper.

Unfortunately the profits from this don't just go back into taking more risks, that's not how the industry functions anymore.

[–]MattAaron2112 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Gotcha, that was my guess but wanted to make sure.

As for the profits, that's impossible to say if we don't work for 2K. Sure, it's not usually the case anymore, but 2K has gone out of their way time and time to say that Bioshock is a "permanent" franchise and heavily insinuate that there's a future for the franchise even post-Levine. What better way to gauge customer interest in future Bioshock entries than with prettied-up versions of the originals? We'll have to wait and see.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I see what you're saying but I just find that a trap. 'Lets gauge future interest in the series by seeing who re-buys the game'. If the series was on the ps1/n64 then I'd give Them the benefit of the doubt but the last entry which was critically acclaimed and commercially successful was around 4 years ago.

They are releasing this because they know there's interest and it's easier profit then going straight Into Bioshock 4 and that's the unfortunate thing. Let's say we lived in a utopia where remasters and re-releases were banned, we'd be seeing Bioshock 4 a lot sooner if that was the case.

[–]MattAaron2112 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not necessarily, though, if there's no indication for 2K that they should be investing millions of dollars into making it. It could go either way. The remaster might not help, but I certainly don't see a way that it's hurting. It's cheap to produce and will make a lot of money. Here's hoping they put it to good use.

[–]TheVeldt323wG Frenzy - 55207 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, because there's only remakes coming out now, no high quality original games or sequels.

[–]Rapinedel94 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't say it's all bad. But what you'll find is this gen you either get AAA games or indie titles, you don't get much in between (the technomancer is a good example of something in between) and the 360 was perfect for finding B grade games for your favourite genres once your explored the AAA ones.

[–]Will_BooshWill Boosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Alot of people supporting this 'rubbish' are people who didn't get to play the game before. What is the problem?

3 full games with all the DLC remastered in 1080p, 60fps with upgraded textures and exclusive commentary video with Ken Levine, I am very much excited.

Seeing salty people like you makes me laugh, just pipe down and play your Xbox, if you don't want the game don't fucking buy it.

[–]Rapinedel94 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

What do you mean by before? The game is readily available on the Xbox 360 and has been for years, it's not like the circus has been and gone, it's there on the shelf for you to buy.

The video is going to be all over YouTube in a day so I have zero interest in spending $99 AUD on it. You'd have to be a serious fanboy to throw away your money like that. Why not buy a brand new game instead and support developers bringing out new content? I'm not going to pipe down. People like you are the reason this gen is full of remasters, a focus on tech and resolution and games have taking the backseat.

[–]Will_BooshWill Boosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

People that didn't have a 360 but got a Xbox One???

I do buy new games, but I also like remasters so I can replay the games I haven't touched in years.

So apparently people like me don't support developers, even though we are buying their products?

I've seen plenty of new IP's and sequels, way more than remasters.

Basically you're chatting from your bumhole mate.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who are these people who never owned a 360 but bought an Xbox One, surely there can't be many. Even if ghats the case a 360 these days is very cheap and there's absolutely no excuse not to pick one up and explore all the amazing games that aren't BC and probably won't be for a long tom odd at all.

Stop being a rude prick. I'm trying to use logic with you and your resort to insulting me etc. you aren't supporting developers here, you're supporting publishers. Do you really think the devs want to work on a remaster? I'm sure plenty of them would rather be working on new and exciting ideas.

Not chatting out of ass at all, check the 360 era, there were far more new IPs that gen of the AAA and B grade standard. we rarely see them this gen outside indie games. I love indie games, but they're a different experience to big re-releases. Stop being a fanboy and stick to the facts.

[–]Will_BooshWill Boosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know let me just go around and collect names, I'm only being rude cos apparently I am a 'moron' who is 'easily excited' by the prospect I will be able to play a remastered version of one of my fave series, as well as everyone else who is getting this product you have insulted.

Also don't call me a prick you cretin.

[–]Narutosuns2fan 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

Shame on people for wanting to get some of their favorite games of the old generation remastered with all the dlc? I own all the bioshocks and personally don't care about playing them in backwards compatibility, especially if it plays poorly with it, and will gladly pay 60 to experience this amazing game series again. No one should be ashamed of wanting to do this.

[–]Rapinedel94 -1ポイント0ポイント  (13子コメント)

Well the more you do this the less reason big studios have for making new and innovative game. They'll figure hey, we'll make one game sit on our hands for a while and then remaster it because these morons all just re-buy it right?

[–]theTeamsFlagXbox 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean I buy every copy of Halo 2 I see, just got a mint condition brand new standard edition from a local game store and I paid $60 for it.

If people love a game let them spend what they want. I normally don't like slot of games so the ones I do love I usually buy a few times.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's completely different. You are buying it as a collectible and that isn't damaging to the industry. This is damaging to the industry because when remasters like this succeed publishers want more of it because it's easy low risk profit. It means they'll look for ways to do more of that and less into taking risks and being innovative.

[–]killbot0224 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

They're still making new games.

These remasters are almost all outsourced while the developers work on new games.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Then where are the B grade games this gen? Aside from The Technomancer I can't think of many this gen yet there were loads of them on the 360.

Games are expensive to make and publishers are going for re-releases instead of further new IPs and projects. Yes there are still name games but the new IPs are few and far between as are the B grade games.

[–]killbot0224 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Indies and mid-range games are coming out every week.

And rereleases are coming out in addition to internally created new games.

There is an argument that the "remaster" studios would be creating those B titles instead, but the upfront cash entices them to subcontract for remasters.

I think there is less of a market for B-grade games that still charge full price in the way they used to. The game world is so much bigger, and the relative level of polish can vary soooo much that a game like Technomancer seem out of place at full price.

Recore and Ratchet & Clank both headed to a lower price point, for example. Indies are anywhere from $15 (new) to $40, but are smaller studios that need fewer sales to be profitable.

The middle is a very tough place to be, and the B-grade games have just been flat out replaced by the indie scene, for the most part.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Technomancer isn't perfect but it's honestly filling a void that's missing at the moment. The majority of RPGs are being casualised and those B level games often filled that void in the past and now they're on the way out. There's some great indie titles but they're not going to fill the void the B level games did for a long time and it's part of why the 360 was much better three years into its run.

[–]killbot0224 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

B level games often filled that void in the past

I totally get that. I bought in on Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, and Torment: Tides of Numenara precisely because of this. I'm still hoping to see a Baldur's Gate 3 some day...

Torment might even come to consoles, since Wasteland 2 did. So the games are definitely around.

I'm also hoping the two forthcoming System Shocks stay a bit hardcore, and the Underworld too. Underworld and SS3 are being made by old Looking Glass guys (Neurath and Specter, to start), which bodes well, and they kicked the market obsession with . They have already leaned on Kickstarter, so it's clear they didn't have big pub support (or also didn't WANT it? As a pub would immediately water it down)

These entrepreneurial guys are still around, but I think the focus for them continues to stay to the PC end first due to the openness and margins, and the presence of existing fans for "hardcore" RPG'ness. Then if they have success they can get the backing to do the ports.

[–]Will_BooshWill Boosh -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

'morons'...

says the guy crying over video games

[–]Rapinedel94 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I enjoy them and don't want to see the industry suffer further over people buying into cash grabs time and time again.

[–]Will_BooshWill Boosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

How is the industry suffering by gaining revenue?

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stop being close minded. When publishers see little effort translate into big profit they want more of that. That means less risk and less innovation and they'll instead look for projects like remasters that they can make easy money off of.

[–]Will_BooshWill Boosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A company only has enough series that will garner enough revenue for a remaster...

I'm not being close minded, I am being accepting of a company releasing a product that alot of people are going to want to play.

[–]ThatRandomHero 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

3 full games

[–]Rapinedel94 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

3 full games you can buy for 5-10 dollars each on the consoles they were developed for.

[–]StormShadow13#teamchief 1ポイント2ポイント  (24子コメント)

People can do whatever they want with their money. And like others have said, not everyone owns a 360 or PS3. Not to mention they aren't BC and now they may never be. Just for clarity, I own them on X360 but I'll likely buy it again. I'll take Rapture remastered 1080p 60fps anyday. I may wait for a sale though because I do agree that 40.00 is a better price.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (23子コメント)

Didn't say you can't, I'm just saying the more who buy this at full price will contribute to less new games being developed and more of these packages to maximise profits.

[–]StormShadow13#teamchief 0ポイント1ポイント  (22子コメント)

Didn't say you can't

No you didn't but you did say shame on you for wanting it. I do agree with you on Skyrim though, I may be a bit biased because I absolutely loved Oblivion and never finished Morrowind plus I really don't like Skyrim all that much. My opinions aside though, I still feel that it's too soon for Skyrim and Oblivion or Morrowind would be better choices for remaster.

I hope they still become BC but I just have this feeling that 2K is killing the BC availability because of this. I also think that Red Dead BC was killed in favor of a remaster they will announce when they announce the next game.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (21子コメント)

You know what, I'd be happy enough with a remake of Morrowind because it'd be a serious undertaking and feel fresh. My main issue is with remasters for games that are easily available and pretty much just get a touch up. When a tiny job gets them maximum profit it spells trouble for the industry because publishers start to see what they can get away.

The only reason Skyrim is getting the remaster is because it's minimal effort whereas Morrowind and Oblivion would take them time. I'd love to at least see a port of Morrowind on the arcade, it's such an amazing game and it'd be great to play it again with achievements.

[–]StormShadow13#teamchief 1ポイント2ポイント  (16子コメント)

The only reason Skyrim is getting the remaster is because it's minimal effort

Yup, exactly! They already basically have it done as they said they ported it over in preparation for Fallout 4. The thing that really sucks is PC players don't have to buy any of these again. If they own Skyrim, they get it free. If they own Bioshock 1 and 2 they get it for free while us on consoles have to pay 120.00 if we want both. It's a really shitty deal.

The PC version will include all three games, but only the first two will be remastered. BioShock Infinite already works well on high-end machines. If you already own BioShock, BioShock 2, and/or Minerva's Den, you'll get the upgraded versions free.

Taken from here

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow I didn't know about the Bioshock deal, that's a real slap in the face especially with Microsoft trying to bridge the Xbox One and PC

[–]StormShadow13#teamchief 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep! If they own Bioshock 1 and 2, they don't get Infinite free since it's not a remaster but still, they are all on sale right now so they can get all for like 10.00 when we're having to pay 60. I don't own any of them digitally so if they did that for us, I wouldn't get it anyway but it would still be a nice gesture.

[–]killbot0224 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

have to pay 120.00 if we want both

easy solution

Don't "want both"

Go without. You know the deal with consoles. Backward compat is never guaranteed.

[–]StormShadow13#teamchief 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Backward compat is never guaranteed.

Not talking about backward compat. I'm talking about how PC gets the REMASTERED versions for free if they already own the base game. Even if you only get 1 of them free is still better than 60.00

[–]killbot0224 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

You already own it on PC.

You don't already own it on XB1/PS4. You have to pay for the work done to port it. Even if you owned it digitally on XB (you can't on PS3), it would only be playing on emulation so can't be upgraded at all. So there's no way to just deliver an upgrade for free.

And nobody forces you to upgrade. If you don't own them, $60 for 3 games you don't own is pretty good

Plus PS is a market less tolerant of high prices on releases because there is so much perpetually available.

Hopefully Neo/Scorpio usher in an era of ongoing backward compatibility so we get an ever-expanding console library in the same way. It will kill off remasters pretty soundly.

[–]StormShadow13#teamchief 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

So there's no way to just deliver an upgrade for free.

There is definitely a way to do so. While not free, if you owned Dishonored digitally on X360 you get a hefty discount on the Definitive. So while they may not be able to do it for everyone who owns it, they could do something for those that own it digitally. I don't own a single one of them digitally but I'd still like to see that happen.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is nothing good about this. There is an easy way out of wasting your money on these remasters and that is by buying a cheap Xbox 360 and buying the originals for cheap. $60 for the three games is not good when there's a cheaper alternative. There's heaps of amazing games a lot of people haven't played on 360 and frankly, if they haven't played Bioshock I can pretty much guarantee they've ignored other integral parts of the consoles library .

[–]killbot0224 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Most of these games are not easily available for PS4 or XB1... XB1 backwards compatibility is till slow in coming (tho it's largely about permission), and it's non-existent on PS4 (thank you for the boondoggle that was CELL)

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Buy a 360 which you can get cheaper then this collection. You'll have access to Bioshock and hundreds of great games You've never played, problem solved.

[–]killbot0224 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would be amazed if I can get a working 360 and a DLC-complete Bioshock trilogy for $60.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I didn't say you could get it all for $60 USD, I said you can get the 360 for $60 or less.

The amount of great games on 360 most haven't played is worth it to spend a little more on going back and getting the console instead of this collection.

[–]rawbeee 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

The only other upcoming remaster I know of is Skyrim, and that doesn't bother me because it was never guaranteed to come to BC. All 3 BioShock games have been listed, separately, as coming soon to BC since the beginning. Turning around and making a collection bundle is ridiculous as I'm sure they already grabbed a few sales that were made from the BC "guarantee".

[–]Rapinedel94 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

There's been a ton of remasters this gen, not just up and coming. Completely agree that it's ridiculous.

[–]rawbeee 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah but have there been a lot since BC has been a thing? I don't really keep up with these things.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Some developers have decided to make the remasters instead of making their games BC like Bethesda and Warner Bros. that way they can resell the game with minimal work done. Return to Arkham is in development but just recently delayed. I don't think BC means as much to them because there's still a market for the PS4 with these re-releases.

[–]rawbeee 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah but those games don't bother me as much because they were never explicitly advertised as games that would make it to BC.

Sure it's annoying, especially with a price-tag like $79.99 CAD for Skyrim, but at least it wasn't ever guaranteed to be coming to BC, unlike the BioShock series.

[–]Rapinedel94 -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

Skyrim remastered is a genuine insult to console owners. It's free on PC FFS, that should be enough for people to see it's an absolute cash grab aimed at people they consider to be brainless.

[–]rawbeee 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's free for PC because they can basically already achieve the same results with mods and the like. I do think it's a hefty pricetag for a 5 year old game, but I disagree that it's a slap in the face. It's bringing the game to current-gen consoles with updated graphics and mods which console players cannot already achieve. It's an upgrade for console players, not so much for PC players.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's exactly my issue though, I'd the results are already there on PC then the work has already been done, how are they justifying the $80 AUD for it? They aren't they just know enough will buy it regardless of what price tag they throw on it. It honestly takes away some integrity from what was a series full of integrity and heart.

[–]rawbeee 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

The results are already there because people other than Bethesda put in the work to make it so, that's not possible on console.

[–]killbot0224 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hint:

This isn't a full-price remaster. This is a bundle of 3 games for the typical retail price of 1 game.

Skyrim is a full price remaster.

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Skyrim is slightly cheaper then a full price game at least in my country.

It doesn't matter that it has 3 games in it. I can get all 3 even with DLC far cheaper then with this collection. It is a blatant cash grab.

[–]killbot0224 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can get it to play on your PS4 and XB1?

Amazing.

Where did you find it?

[–]Rapinedel94 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't be a condescending prick. You can buy a 360 along with the 3 games for not much more then buying this collection on release. Not only that, but you'll have access to a huge library of great games you've ignored for years. There's no reason not to do this over buying this cash grab of a collection.

[–]fastcar25 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone that had never played many of the games being remastered this gen, I'd rather play a remastered version. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in that.