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PoliticsRent-a-riot leaders exposed in UP: Chilling sting operation tapes politicians from across parties agreeing to stage religious violence for Rs 5 lakh (dailymail.co.uk)

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[–]YouKiddin 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yesterday I submitted this story linked to the original news report from India Today and it barely made it to the front page. And yet, a submission from DailyFail makes it. Shows clicks are much higher when the entire story can be crammed into a headline.

[–]Anti_bhakt 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

On randia you also have to factor in who posted the story and whether it shows an x political party in good light or not.

[–]rahulthewall 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shows clicks are much higher when the entire story can be crammed into a headline.

Yes, unfortunately, most people only vote based on the submission headline.

[–]ribiy 39ポイント40ポイント  (13子コメント)

Slight correction:

The story and the sting isn't to manufacture large scale hindu-muslim riots, as the headline and even the first few paragraphs suggest. It is to violently protest against a movie/documentary for publicity in exchange of money.

Big difference.

It's a well known practice and a small time actor/director Raja Bundela also got caught doing this few years back.

It's disgusting but not shocking or some new revelation in media.

[–]badurkel 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

The story and the sting isn't to manufacture large scale hindu-muslim riots, as the headline and even the first few paragraphs suggest. It is to violently protest against a movie/documentary for publicity in exchange of money.

Yes, because the people involved in the former aren't like the exact same ones involved in the latter.

[–]ribiy 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, I didn't mean that. They might be capable of even that, idk.

But this story or sting isn't about that.

Reading the headline I thought there is a machinery/mercenary-army available on call to manufacture riots and killings on a large scale, which isn't the case. Thankfully that is not as easy as PR for a movie.

[–]Kanpuriya 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Holding up placards and shouting slogans are vastly different from killing people and gutting shops.

[–]viksi -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really doesn't take long to turn a peaceful protest into a riot given the right trigger.

Also,a lot of the same people who would show up for sloganeering will show up for riots.

I would chalk it up to poverty and the zealots who whip up religious frenzy.

[–]quinoa515 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

An alternative explanation is that these politicians are basically running a con. They will take the money and do nothing. What are you going to do? Ask for your money back?

This points to a wider problem. Reporters are interested in generating publicity, to attract viewers. They are not interested in actual criminal investigation and prosecutions. Ideally, the reporters should have went to the relevant authorities to launch a proper investigation. Once sufficient evidence is collected, the reporters can have an exclusive story in return for their help.

[–]Xerxesatg1 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why do you think they are running a con and won't do what they promise.

[–]quinoa515 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know whether it is a con or not. But that is certainly a reasonable possibility.

Look at it this way. Someone asks you to organize a riot in return for money. There are 3 options that come to mind.

Option 1. Report to police, and receive no money.

Option 2. Take the money, and do nothing.

Option 3. Take the money, and really organize a riot.

Which option would you pick? Option 2 gives you the benefits with less risk. It is not like someone will file a report about you not holding up your part of the deal after accepting the money.

[–]Xerxesatg1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are always a lot of possibilities but there is nothing to suggest this is the case here.

[–]avatarreddit 13ポイント14ポイント  (25子コメント)

the undercover journalist travelled to Muzaffarnagar, the scene of tragic Hindu-Muslim riots in 2013, to visit its BJP MLA, Kapil Dev Agarwal. In their first meeting, the legislator lost no composure as he heard about the purportedly anti-Hindu subject of the bogus documentary. Instead, he sounded keen to know what was there for him to gain from it.

Of Course, this is how you get promoted in BJP anyways, Sanjeev Balyan and Sangeet Som got involved in riots and were awarded union minister posts, this guy is thinking that he too needs to follow their footsteps as that is what the high command rewards. Meanwhile their friends in SP handle the muslm side of things, they both feed off of each others polarization.

[–]BeefJanataParty 14ポイント15ポイント  (24子コメント)

BJP-SP can be the best of allies. Both feed off riots and discontent. Modi is just Mulayam with a higher body count and an excellent PR agency.

[–]Ngotha 0ポイント1ポイント  (23子コメント)

If we are doing body count, the Congress beats the BJP+SP+TMC+ pretty much all other parties combined. Except maybe the Maoists. Surat Riots, Hyderabad riots, Bhagalpur riots, Nellie (which has a direct cause in Indiraji giving millions of Bangladeshi illegals the vote), have we had any detailed commissions or findings and arrests made after that? Nope, the Tiwari Commission report has been buried and never even published.

Buy this, the author (Japanese, so no "sanghi conspiracy" here) says that the blame is on the central govt of Indiraji for imposing elections on a state at combustion point, post which the blame is on the state (Congress again) for watching by idly as the massacre took place after instigating the violence in the first place. Here is the extent of which the commission is buried,

In 1983, the Tiwari Commission was set up to enquire into the matter, and it submitted a report of its findings in May 1984 to the state government. But the report was never tabled. A few civil society organisations obtained copies of the report through the Right to Information Act, but for all practical purposes, this 600-page document remains out the public consciousness to date.

Now let us look at Bhagalpur, in a horrific riot in which more than a 1,000 died, the Justice NN Singh commission placed the blame yet again on, the Central Govt (Rajivji), State (Congress run), you might want to read this,

“One thousand workers belonging to the Congress Party were called to Bahera (an Assembly constituency in Darbhanga) by Maithili Brahmins (a snide reference to Jagannath Mishra and what was then the Congress’s core constituency in Bihar) and were asked to wear caps bearing slogans ‘Garv say kaho hum Hinduhain’ and ‘Radhe Shyam Baba ki jai’.”

After a pause, he added with a condescending flourish, “You try to understand the actual position in Bhagalpur... Shiv Chander Jha, who was the Speaker, was deadly against Bhagwat Jha Azad (another Congress leader). It was due to them and a few of their men that these riots... (interruptions)... they were behind these riots.”

You might also want to read, The Production of Hindu-Muslim Violence in Contemporary India by Paul Brass, makes a good case for how,

Both feed off riots and discontent.

Either your memory is very short or decades of propoganda have blinded you, either way you need to educate yourself.

Now if you say,

Congress, BJP, SP can be the best of allies. All feed off riots and discontent, with the BJP and SP having learnt what the masters of engineering riots and discontent, the Congress fairly quickly,

No disagreements there.

[–]_dexter 10ポイント11ポイント  (20子コメント)

I have explained this earlier and will explain this one again. Riots which have state actors (specially where they go ahead to seal cabinet berths) are not the same as the ones where there are none. There are certain parties who have unmatched records in the former and in fact have their whole rise dedicated to it. Accept that and move on. Also, read up on z-score normalization.

[–]BeefJanataParty 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Probably. It makes you wonder how BJP despite being a minor party in independent India managed to rack up so much body count. Also makes you wonder what would be the state of the country if RSS/Hindu mahasabha fanatics seized power after independence.

[–]hypocritesrule -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of these days you may want to read about the riots that wracked Hyderabad after it was retaken by the Nizam and how the greatest icons of Indian secularists, Nehru and Patel, knowingly allowed the Hindus a week to vent their anger on the Razakars and their supporters.

The RSS/Hindu types were politically insignificant for the first few decades after independence because the holy Congress had already appropriated that plank with their 26 statewide cow slaughter bans, countless small and big riots etc.

[–]viksi 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Job creation : right wing style.

one of the blokes was asking for 5 lacs for a mob of 50 , so that's 10k per person for about half a days work. I wonder how much the margins are for the middle man. But considering that the daily wages are about 300 rupees a day in small town, it sounds like a good day's work.

Do a protest march ( Exercise) Make new friends (socialize) shout some slogans burn an effigy... ??? profit.

[–]archfrion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The more things change the more they remain the same.

[–]PoornachandraTejaswi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

FIR's should be filed against guys like these, not fucking Tanmay Bhat!

[–]Cool_Man474 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would chalk it up to poverty and the BJP as a state sponsored and non-state sponsored.

[–]vedula_k95 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

can we kickstart a campaign to assassinate them?

[–]Priyon 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Of course. When a stupid Neta can announce a bounty on someone's head so openly without caring for law or what he just did, why shouldn't citizens be able to do the same and announce a public bounty on his head and hire crowdfunded assassins?

[–]vedula_k95 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

its just bullshit talk,or did they actually announced a public bounty and it was taken care of?

[–]Priyon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, doesn't it happen around every major political arena? Retarded BJP goon announcing lakhs of money on Kanhaiya's head...before that it was some Congi monkey announcing money on Modi's head in 2013...and none of them ever even got a single frown from police, court or their masters, let alone punishment. And this is a drop in the ocean.

[–]parminds -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can we kickstart a campaign to castrate and then slowly crucify them ?

[–]peaceful_anarchist 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm surprised there have not been any cases of vigilantism yet.

[–]Priyon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. I wonder how Indian population can put up with so many of these illiterate, feral pigs that are our politicians. Revolutions have happened around the world for less.

[–]1581947 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

5 lakh? at least quote a higher amount. An average middle class fresher with a job can afford a riot with few years of savings.

[–]Thoreaufan 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, an average middle class fresher with a job is never going to hire them, is he?

[–]1581947 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ya, that comment was made in poor taste. But still those idiots are ready to cause so much trouble for so less.

[–]Thoreaufan 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

5 lakh is a significant amount, unless you're urban poor.

[–]DalitTheUntouchable 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

For people with 1.6lpa salary, 5 lakh barely pays for the groceries of their maids annually.

[–]shash747 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the actual fuck.

[–]samacharbot2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a series of sting operations spread over 10 days, India Today TV has unravelled how several leaders cutting across political lines are ready to stage dangerous religious violence for money.

  • Whatever youll say, well do, said Parminder Arya, sitting on a bed in a Noida hospital.

  • Everything will be arranged, the SP leader answered back.

  • Ill have to prepare 50 to 60 men... Five lakh (rupees), Irfan said.

  • It exposes what we have always believed: that the SP and the BJP have same modus operandi, said the Congress spokesperson.

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[–]esmeister 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking assholes

[–]DalitTheUntouchable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The MLA was invited to an event by the host of the event, and asked to create a disturbence, by the host only.

How is this a riot? This is a publicity stunt done by the host, as far as the mla knows.

[–]Dr_Wren -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Once sufficient evidence is collected, the reporters should have went to the front page.