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Side Notes: another fellow GamerGater wrote a Python script that gets submissions up on SRS and gets both the SRS submission and the linked comment's (in this case, KotakuInAction's posts) point values; these values are represented by a red line and a blue line, respectively.
Yup, I butchered the title. Sorry I'm a hard science reporting on a soft area.
EDIT: Here is a link to the raw data (in CSV format) and their respective graphs. They are organized by submission ID (sid) and comment ID (cid).
EDIT 2: Apparently, an SRS user thinks that upvoting their top comment will make this post look bad. The graphs (for the sake of comparison) in the data also show they (likely can) do upvote brigades as well. See this longer explanation.
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[–]Helium_PugilistProbably sarcastic, at least snarky 273 points274 points275 points  (42 children)
Thing is, whenever SRS brigades and someone calls them on it /u/kn0thing says they're working on a technical solution... cuz ofc you cant ban subs that are in the clique right, no those are right so lets just ignore the rules for them.
[–]FSMhelpusall 122 points123 points124 points  (17 children)
But if anyone else does it it's BANHAMMER BANHAMMER BANHAMMER BANHAMMERRRRRR
[–]RicwulfSkip 86 points87 points88 points  (15 children)
But if anyone else does it it's SHADOWBANHAMMER SHADOWBANHAMMER SHADOWBANHAMMER SHADOWBANHAMMERRRRRR
FTFY
[–]Darkling5499 85 points86 points87 points  (13 children)
BUT GUYS SHADOWBANS SHOULD NEVER EVER BE USED ON REAL PEOPLE ONLY BOTS / SPAMMERS WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING TO DO THAT WE SWEAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
[–]RicwulfSkip 62 points63 points64 points  (12 children)
You know what the funniest thing is? Prior to shadowbanning, they used "normal" banning, ones that gave you a message like "You have been banned for X hours because you Y". The whole point of a shadowban was to not tell the spammers so they didn't know (and therefore not make a new account).
Now they have brought out the new suspension system... that works exactly like the old banning system. This suspension system is also what took them over a year to come up with.
If anyone still thinks that the admins are fair and equal are deluded. They have no intentions of being fair and honest to their users.
[–]Darkling5499 21 points22 points23 points  (11 children)
they get to act like that because there's no viable alternative to reddit. voat can't handle the traffic, and as a recent post here showed most big subs seem to run an automod script that auto-removes posts with the word voat in them, so even if it could handle the traffic most people don't know about it.
[–]RicwulfSkip 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Voat is the most known, but there are a couple others. I didn't mind Snapzu for something a little different, and I go back every now and then.
[–]Millenia0 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Cant handle the traffic? The place is pretty dead.
[–]Darkling5499 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
i meant that as if there was a reddit migration to voat.
[–]FuckAllRedditCEOs 2 points3 points4 points  (7 children)
there's no viable alternative to reddit
Since reddit does not make money and relies on investors funds to survive, reddit is not viable either. Enjoy it while it lasts.
[–]RicwulfSkip 0 points1 point2 points  (6 children)
Go to the Reddit homepage. Look to the left. See that Daily Goal bar? I have yet to see a day where it doesn't go over 100%. I'm sure there are days were it only reaches about 95%, but I have seen a plethora where they reach 107%, even 115%, easily making up those short falls.
This is the Reddit Gold bar. It pays for Reddit. Everything else is cream on top.
[–]FuckAllRedditCEOs 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
Implying they're not lying, either in how many they sell, and how much they need.
[–]RicwulfSkip 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
Why? What purpose could that achieve?
It isn't like it would be to attract investors, the investors would quickly find that information out and if it is false.
Unless you can come up with a motive for why they would do such a thing, this sounds pretty tin hat.
[–]Hadrial 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I love that bar because it doesn't ever say how much is needed or how many golds/creddits were bought. The can basically do whatever they want to it and nobody will know!
[–]DT777 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Wasn't the justification for banning FPH something like combination Harassment and Vote Brigading?
[–]kungfukai 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
BANHAMMER 40K: EXBANINATUS
[–]SnackBier 35 points36 points37 points  (1 child)
That promise was made about 6 months ago - I think at this point I am gonna need an ETA...
[–]CountVonVague 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Surely, OP will deliver
[–]david-me[M] 62 points63 points64 points  (8 children)
Congratulation on your submission to SRS. You're doing the world a great service. We need more attack helicopters like you.
[–]findingmrnemo 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
We need the whales as well.
[–]Durzo_Flint 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
Silly Mr Nemo, SRS are the whales :D
[–]frobalt 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
The lack of self-awareness on SRS truly is staggering.
They're projecting their own issues onto us.
They don't realise that brigading doesn't just mean down-voting, it can mean upvoting too.
Personally, I don't know why they don't implement a rule there that you have to link to archived versions of posts. Having a rule like this would be the best way of deflecting any 'SRS brigades' accusations.
[–]blackfiredragon13 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
Out of curiosity, how exactly do you guys know when the SRS storm rolls in? First guess of mine would be a script/bot searching for posts linking here? Because the only other thing coming to mind is sifting through the SRS feed. And the last one I find akin to shoving rusted soup can lids down my throat in terms of enjoyment.
[–]GuyAboveIsStupid 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
I simply watch SRS because they link to the funniest content on reddit
[–]david-me 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
This they do. They provide a wonderful service. I'm getting a hardon with their recent obsession with KiA.
[–]ohthatwasme 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Maybe that's why I see you everywhere....
[–]david-me 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Their bot shows up in our modqueue. Automod removes it for us.
[–]Synchrotr0n 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
Wasn't the post locking option that was the "technical" solution that admins created to counter brigades? Because mods are totally making good use for that tool to counter brigades.
People are making comments I dislike? Obvious brigade, better delete the top comments and lock the post so the "wrong" people can't comment. Meanwhile anyone manipulating votes that fits the moderator's views get a free pass since there's no algorithm to detect this kind of manipulation.
[–]EtherMan 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Locking does not stop voting, so no.
[–]jmerl1n 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
Realistically, it'd be really really easy to detect this behavior and automatically ban people, or just not count those votes.
[–]findingmrnemo 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
I bet they already have a solution, but don't want to use it as that would mean they have to ban SRS.
[–]CountVonVague 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
I think they're just watching, turning whatever data they have squeeze from people into profit before telling anyone or implementing any solutions. SRS is like a private honeytrap and it's funny
[–]EtherMan 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
There's a lot of changes that is easily detected that still takes reddit months and even years to make... It's kind of obvious that the reddit coders are simply piss poor at their job...
[–]cha0s [Code Monkey]tat tvam asi 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Hey, I applied!
Won't go near SF tho
[–]EtherMan 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I didn't say that them being piss poor at it was somehow related to reddit causing it or something. I know nothing about your coding skill so cant say if it would improve if you were hired either. All we know, is that as it stands right now, the skill of the coders is piss poor since they're wasting a LOT of man hours to implement even basic stuff. Even considering reddit's poor codebase (it's bad... Like, really bad), it's still a piss poor tempo to implement stuff if they were even a half decent coder.
[–]cha0s [Code Monkey]tat tvam asi 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I'm just talking a little shit, don't mind me.
[–]daneelr_olivaw 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Technical solution, at least temporary would be easy.
Check if the downvotes come from users that share many similar subscriptions (with the exception of default subs and the sub of the target submission). If one particular subreddit stands out from the pool of total upvotes/downvotes, there's a high chance that it's a brigade.
[–]richmomz 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I've been seeing this admin excuse for five years now. Of course they don't seem to have a problem swinging the shadowban hammer on anyone outside the SRS/SJW clique, but if SRS gets caught brigading suddenly it turns into an insurmountable technical problem.
[–]GaryTheBum 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
The "technical" solution would be simply banning their sub, since it's rather obvious they're breaking the rules. ofc that won't happen and SRS knows it, so they get to play by their own separate rules compared to every other sub on the site.
[–]Limon_Lime37k + 48k Knight Commander - Order of the GET 108 points109 points110 points  (20 children)
Yeah, they do. I've had it happen when I called Jim Sterling a faggot.
[–]Tufflewuffle 159 points160 points161 points  (13 children)
It's a bit unfair to faggots to compare them to Jim Sterling.
[–]ClockworkFool 59 points60 points61 points  (2 children)
Quite right. Milo's fans have very little common with Jim.
Is it wrong that I enjoy that Milo's fans voted to refer to themselves as Faggots? Or that he was honestly trying to get hold of r/Faggots at one point?
[–]Nyx_Antumbra 23 points24 points25 points  (1 child)
I don't always mesh with the guy's politics, but damn does he make me laugh.
[–]kaltigur 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
the amazing atheist said something like "i agree with him 25% of the time and find him entertaining 100% of the time"
[–]shard972 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
Yea, as a faggot I would prefer to call him a dipshit or a just a cuck.
[–]ghostofmichaelbrown 24 points25 points26 points  (8 children)
Have you seen his wife? He's definitely got some kind of non traditional orientation.
[–]Axel_Killmurder 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
Is Vogonsexual a thing? Because looking at those two, I'm pretty sure it should be.
[–]maxman14 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
They lie in bed and read terrible poetry at one another. Outside their window a raccoon has died from overhearing it.
[–]blackfiredragon13 8 points9 points10 points  (3 children)
Is there a term for being so in love with yourself you marry what looks like the "opposite sex version" of yourself?
[–]PaoSmear 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Sterling Syndrome
[–]Voyflen 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Mirriage? Matchrimony? Twife?
[–]Hadrial 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Isn't that basically narcissism?
[–]TAKETHATWATER 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
He has confirned multiple times he's bisexual and poligamous.
[–]ghostofmichaelbrown 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
my wife says I have to be a special snowflake but I don't want to be :(
[–]Notmydirtyalt comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (5 children)
Yeah, but with respect your comment calling someone a faggot, even a self confessed gay guy, really isn't anything other than a personal attack on the guy and has really has no place here. I remember once downvoting a comment around here that someone made calling such and such a faggot, I'm not SRS I just think it was childish and below this sub.
[–]kankouillotte 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Maybe, but it's shorter than explaining how he got into an undefined relationship with landwhale pink-haired feminists who hates men and tweets #killallmen, how he totally changed his views 180° between some years ago when his public stance was pretty much current GG stance on the state of video games, but when GG happened he was suddenly as aGGro SJW as can be.
Faggot sums it up nicely, although I would have chosen cuck. Of course for someone who reads it without context, it wont tell him much, but for a regular KiA commenter, that word is enough to remind you who Jim Sterling is.
[–]beeeel 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
I don't know why you're being downvoted for saying that- it seems pretty obvious to me that if the only bad thing you have to say about someone is to call them names, they can't be that bad a person. If people want to call someone's ethics into question, or call them a hypocrit, that's one thing, but just calling him a faggot?
This isn't the school playground.
We're meant to be adults.
[–]YouTubersAreShills 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
Sticks and stones faggots
[–]Goreshock 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
One of the definitions of "faggot" is actually a bunch of sticks, so...
"Faggot and stones."
[–]Notalent13 26 points27 points28 points  (0 children)
Honestly, I'm pretty happy we are now being brigaded regularly by SRS, have a ton of shitty srs alts whinning in our threads, and get hilarious false flags made by them.
It's proof that Ghazi is truly dead and worthless, now they gotta call in the big sjw guns.
Oh also pretty proud of myself for making srs cry twice in a single week. Seriously, they get worked up so, so easily.
[–]Neo_Techni 50 points51 points52 points  (6 children)
You can't say statistical then use it wrong.
Here's statistical proof they likely do!
FTFY
[–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers[S] 25 points26 points27 points  (3 children)
Yeah, I should have said that. Thanks.
gets whacked by a big fish
[–]alexmikli 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
That's my horse!
[–]yoloswag420noscope69 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
That's my purse!
[–]Goreshock 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
...and I don't know you.
[–]anonveggy 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Which also dissolves the weight of the word "proof"
[–]Dyalibya 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Noice
[–]randomthrowaway43212 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
hard science reporting on a soft area.
That's what she said.
[–]full-chan86 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Too bad the admins still won't do a single thing about it.
Oh, well.
[–]Chewiemuse 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Everyone needs to upvote this so it gets to /r/all
[–]AcherosIs fake journalism | Is a prophet 47 points48 points49 points  (7 children)
Correlation, causation.
I know SRS does brigade, but this is EVIDENCE. Not PROOF.
[–]Vice5772 23 points24 points25 points  (5 children)
Evidence is the synonym of proof: https://www.google.com/search?q=Synonym+evidence&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8. They're the same word.
[–]PAO_SAFESPACE_POLICE 30 points31 points32 points  (4 children)
It is not scientifically speaking. Evidence is part of a proof but is not necessarily proof on its own. You can't say for a fact that SRS was the cause of this without a negative control.
Also, this would be better evidence if, for example, it involved hundreds or thousands of posts linked by SRS compared statistically to random posts that could be considered similar but that were not linked by SRS. This still wouldn't be proof because the difference between linked and unlinked posts would add a confounding variable, but it would be a much stronger correlation. I wish someone with the time and skills would do this.
That said, I'm as convinced as the next guy that SRS brigades but all there is to show is anecdotal evidence.
[–]EtherMan comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (3 children)
The terms, even in science, is synonymous. The problem here is that correlation is not evidence. You can collect as much correlation as much as you want, and the correlation will not become evidence.
There's only one case in science where correlation is regarded as evidence, and that is when in climate science and even there, it's not considered evidence strong enough to support a scientific theory and instead, only used to support the stronger evidence.
[–]AndySchlafly 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Proof is definitely not synonymous with evidence when used in a scientific context. Science is inherently probabilistic and tentative in nature.
Correlation is evidence of a correlation between variables. It's just doesn't provide evidence of an independent variable that is affecting the dependent variable.
[–]EtherMan 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
So it's not synonymous, it's just synonymous, and correlation is evidence, it just isnt evidence... Yeaaaa... Perhaps you should take a second to think about what it is you're actually writing there...
[–]AndySchlafly 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
You could always ask an adult to read it to you.
[–]Reddisaurusrekts 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
On mobile so I can't check, but do the rise in SRS score pre-empt the change in comment score?
That'd suggest causation because any confounding factor you'd assume would operate simultaneously, and if there is causation, it can only work forwards temporally.
[–]Internet_Aristocrap 34 points35 points36 points  (22 children)
Here's some evidence that /r/Subredditdrama also brigaded this subreddit:
1) A GamerGater speaks against the child exploitation/pedophiles on 8chan, KiA downvotes them to hell. [-79]
This highlights why vote brigading is such an important issue. What if a neutral party, interested in knowing what GamerGate's stance on child exploitation was, were to stumble upon the post-brigade comment; they would get the impression that KiA doesn't support the exploitation of children by pedophiles on 8chan, but the pre-brigade comment demonstrates this is not the truth! Damn those SJWs for manipulating covering up censoring the truth!
[–]fezvez 4 points5 points6 points  (19 children)
Yeah, I am a bit unsure about the moral stance of KiA
So, pedophiles are horrible people, right? (cf Randi Harper Sarah Nyberg) Denounced by KiA and shit.
But what you explained/showed was that KiA's opinion on "sharing pictures of young clothed little kids" is that it's legal and thus is completely fine. And if you try to censor it, you must be a dumb SJW.
I am having a problem with this disconnect (Yeah, I know, I deviated from the brigading topic)
[–]Reddisaurusrekts 22 points23 points24 points  (0 children)
What you think is morally correct and what you think people's legal rights are should be different.
Morals are important, and so are laws, but they're different and distinct concepts that have different uses and serve different functions.
Eg.
I think paedophilia is pretty disgusting, but I don't think paedophiles are necessarily bad people because it is/can be a mental illness the person has no control over.
And i certainly don't think just being a paedophile should be criminal, if you never act on the impulse.
Likewise anyone who defends paedophilia as being ok or acceptable is definitely a bad person in my book, but also shouldn't be jailed just for what they say, no matter how disgusting and wrong I think it is.
Morality != Legality
[–]beeeel 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
paedophiles are horrible people
Not necessarily- only if they act upon their urges. I might be sexually attracted to a woman in a bar, but I wouldn't just slap her ass, because that would be harassment. Same for the paedos.
KiA's opinion on "sharing pictures of young clothed little kids" is that it's legal and thus is completely fine.
As far as I'm aware, KiA is completely pro free speech, so support people's rights to share this stuff.
Personally, I am also in favour of free speech, but I'm also against the explotation of children, so whilst I don't see an issue in sharing existing photos of children, I am against taking new photos.
Does that make sense as a moral stance, or do I need to reword it?
[–]robonubbins 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
No, they brigades the comment to make it appear that the KIA community had upvoted it... They can then use comments like this in places like SRS to point out how awful a community this is. Etc.
[–]standardsftw 3 points4 points5 points  (15 children)
As unfortunate as it is, KiA has inconsistencies like this. When games like Cibelle come out, people here will laud the game as some political agenda and that it's dumb. They're right. On the other hand, games like Hatred and BlockLivesMatter come out and KiA will do everything to "defend their right to make" said game, yet when cibelle, sunset, gone home, etc, come out, KiA doesn't make that argument.
This entire subreddit has gone a bit too far off the deep-end of "damn those SJWs" and people are too quick to, 1) label something SJW because they disagree wtih it, and 2) they're quick to not apply the same principles they do to themselves to "SJWs".
Don't get me wrong. I hate ghazi, srs, you name it, but some people here need a reality check. Some of us have just swallowed the narrative and have become what we hate.
[–]EtherMan 15 points16 points17 points  (6 children)
You're not being honest there... A game can be bad, and you can still defend the maker's right to make it. You're saying that KiA defends Hatred and BlockLivesMatter to be made... And it's correct. They have every right to make those games. Does that automatically make those games good? Ofc not, but they have every right to make them anyway. And for Cibelle the same is true. Just because it's a bad game, does not in any way change that they have every right to make it.
[–]standardsftw comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (5 children)
"Just because it's a bad game, does not in any way change that they have every right to make it." This is absolutely true, but you'll almost never see KiA argue this. You'll hear them say how Hatred has a right to exist, but when you talk about Gone Home, you hear that it's "not a game" and that it's awful. It is awful, but that distinction made is pretty telling of how people here think.
I mean, if you want to be completely honest, Gone Home likely had more thought put into it than Hatred. Hatred was just a twin-stick that was as brutal as possible. Gone Home was bad, yes, because the story was uninterested, but the developer(s) put a lot of effort into what they thought was good.
[–]cha0s [Code Monkey]tat tvam asi 18 points19 points20 points  (3 children)
Uhhh, do you think that might be because games like Hatred have undergone a coordinated campaign to attempt their censorship and Gone Home was universally praised by that same media?
Why would we ever need to "argue for the right to exist" for a game that is heavily praised in the media? That doesn't make any sense at all. Who would we even be arguing against?
[–]standardsftw comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (2 children)
But where was Hatred actually censored, and who tried to censor it?
Google "Hatred". Hell, the first articles are websites we actively disagree with talking about it, and none of them are asking for it to be banned or anything such. The only site pushing that to even a minor degree is Polygon (and that was a single writer, with him barely mentioning it once in his article). Hell, the biggest bout of censorship it saw was it being taken off of greenlight and almost immediately being brought back.
"Why would we ever need to "argue for the right to exist" for a game that is heavily praised in the media?" You're strawmanning my point. I'm not saying you should be out, actively fighting for the right for games like Gone Home to exist. I'm saying that it's deeply ironic that when a game like Hatred comes out, despite it being pretty mediocre at best, you yell from the rooftops about how great it is simply because it's controversial or agrees with you politically, and yet when another SJW game comes out, you hate it because it's a SJW game.
[–]cha0s [Code Monkey]tat tvam asi 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Opinions are ironic? Okay.
Remember how it was pulled from Greenlight? That was weird! Let's pretend it never happened.
[–]DiaboliAdvocatus 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
I'm saying that it's deeply ironic that when a game like Hatred comes out, despite it being pretty mediocre at best, you yell from the rooftops about how great it
Cite it.
I remember plenty of people saying it's a shit game (I had zero interest in a le edgy twin stick shooter from the start). The closest I remember to people saying it was a great game is people saying they were going to buy it to spite the people who wanted it censored.
[–]EtherMan 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
This is absolutely true, but you'll almost never see KiA argue this.
Because no one has claimed otherwise... Why would anyone argue against something that has not been said?
You'll hear them say how Hatred has a right to exist, but when you talk about Gone Home, you hear that it's "not a game" and that it's awful.
And it's not. It's an interactive story. Not a game. But that does not somehow mean anyone thinks it has no right to exist.
It is awful, but that distinction made is pretty telling of how people here think.
What people here think is pretty consistent so far going by the public opinions stated by the community, which is simply that there are good games and bad games, but that does not impact the right of it to exist...
I mean, if you want to be completely honest, Gone Home likely had more thought put into it than Hatred.
Game or not does not rely on if it has any thought put into it. There's quite a number of definitions for "game"... None of which fit Gone Home. As for it being good or bad... Also has no relation to how much thought has been put into it. There's plenty of games that have a LOT of thought put into them that are still bad games. And I'm not sure Hatred is a good game either... But as we agreed on earlier, this has no relation to if a game has a right to exist or not... And what a dev thinks is good... does not make it good.
[–]Mattk50 8 points9 points10 points  (6 children)
Your making a false equivilence. KIA doesn't call for censorship of these games, it criticizes them directly on their own merits. Defending devs that are activity being censored is very different.
[–]standardsftw comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (5 children)
I don't know what you're on about. I'm not talking about censorship. What you're saying is intentionally misleading. You're saying this game is being "censored" as if there's an outside force trying to quell all information about it. That's simply not true. A very niche forum is deleting discussion about it, but neogaf is also a forum no one cares about nor takes any insight from. Now, if this game were being removed from greenlight or something like that -- that would be a form of censorship.
"it criticizes them directly on their own merits" Sure. We call Gone Home bad because it's, yknow, bad, but when will you ever see people say the same thing about a game like this? Almost never. People are supporting this game from a political standpoint, not because they're judging it based on its merits. This is where KiA has gone wrong. They're pushing an ideology.
[–]Mattk50 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
You mentioned hatred, i don't know about blocklivesmatter. I also know about the GTAV incedent and also the dead or alive incedent. These three are all textbook cases of censorship and attempted censorship in hatred's case.
in all the hatred threads when that was happening, the comments were all pretty much "this game is shit but it should still be sold" "this game would have never been popular if SJWs hadnt tried to censor it, it's not very good". This is a good position to have. If censorship is attempted, we fight the censorship. Is wanting no games censored "supporting THIS ONE GAME from a political standpoint"? I don't think so.
[–]standardsftw comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (2 children)
"f censorship is attempted, we fight the censorship." Yes, and that's fine. I never disagreed with this. Often times people deleting comments on some foreign imageboard or forum no one cares about is considered "censorship" here, though, which is outright false.
" Is wanting no games censored "supporting THIS ONE GAME from a political standpoint"?" No, and I never said this. I said that most games like BlockLivesMatter that come out are only really supported because KiA agrees with them on a political standpoint. I mean, really, neogaf not talking about it is hardly it being censored.
[–]Immahnoob 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
I never disagreed with this. Often times people deleting comments on some foreign imageboard or forum no one cares about is considered "censorship" here, though, which is outright false.
And here you are, not knowing the definition of "censorship".
I mean, really, neogaf not talking about it is hardly it being censored.
I believe you have some consistency and reality issues. They deleted the topic about it because they were triggered as shit, there are archives about it.
[–]Mattk50 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Censorship doesn't have to be a government action, that example, in the right context, is most certainly censorship.
I think this is the crux of our disagreement. You want to change the definition of censorship to something its not, thus leaving us without a word to describe politically and otherwise motivated deletion of expression by everyone else.
Regardless of how you want to define your stupid fucking words, i maintain that politically motivated deletion of expression on imageboards, reddits, what ever, is a serious issue.
if the neogaf moderators had to delete a topic about it, neogaf's terrible community most certainly wanted to talk about it. And i would advise even their terrible community filled with terrible idiots move to a community where they are allowed to speak their mind and discuss topics of interest without being subject to the whims of hotpocket tier moderators.
[–]Immahnoob 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
You're saying this game is being "censored" as if there's an outside force trying to quell all information about it.
You should re-read the definitions of both censorship and self-censorship.
A very niche forum is deleting discussion about it, but neogaf is also a forum no one cares about nor takes any insight from.
Besides this being untrue since devs and other important people have posted there, and some important information goes through them first.
This is where KiA has gone wrong. They're pushing an ideology.
We've always pushed an ideology, maybe you should learn what ideologies are.
[–]Immahnoob 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
KiA doesn't make that argument.
Saying "This is shit", does not mean "You can't make it".
You can take as many shits as you want. Besides that, I don't need to support Cibele and the other crap because they have never been under attack, unlike other games that we have defended.
[–]beeeel 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
they would get the impression that KiA doesn't support the exploitation of children by pedophiles on 8chan,
So are you saying that we support the exploitation of children? Because that's not something I'm willing to support or associate myself with. I support free speech, and hence the right to share any legal images, however the way your comment is worded, it's implicit that the majority of this subreddit would also support people taking photos in the school changing room, or making young children pose in sexualised ways, which I don't support.
[–]kankouillotte 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Your comment is full of assumptions on YOUR part. You assume downvoters were punishing the guy for expressing against child exploitation.
But there are many other explanations, thus the rest of your expose doesn't stand, it's build on sand.
In my opinion, the number 1 explanation for the downvoters is that the current discussion was about "should we ban 8chan entirely because they let people discuss <this topic>", and the downvoters felt that as long as it's not illegal, it's within the promise of hotwheels to ban only illegal stuff from 8chan.
[–]Wolphoenix 23 points24 points25 points  (2 children)
SRS brigades don't usually take the form of downvotes. The SRS mentality stems from the goon mentality. They upvote what they consider bad things. That is what they mostly do. That is why the admins say that SRS does not brigade in the sense most of Reddit thinks they do.
[–]stemgang 22 points23 points24 points  (0 children)
And then after they upvote the "problematic" comment, they decry how all the shitlords have upvoted it.
[–]CountVonVague 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
ah, so That's who we have to thank for the cancer
[–]cuteman 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
What would help break up the cancer would be a limit like they have on defaults for subreddit moderation.
Say 10. These people with 20/40/100/200 are ridiculous.
So much collusion and group think off site.
[–]todiwan53k Knight - Order of the GET 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
>new accounts
[–]cuteman 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
>new accounts
Anyone caught trying to bypass the limit can get banned and then muted as they are so fond of doing.
Unless of course the admins have given their blessing, then we will never see such rules or restrictions happen.
[–]PooperSnooperPrime 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
The problem is, there are only so many insufferable losers with the inclination to moderate reddit like its their career. Banning could quickly lead to a shortage of them. It explains how so few moderate so many subs.
[–]cuteman 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
The problem is, there are only so many insufferable losers with the inclination to moderate reddit like its their career. Banning could quickly lead to a shortage of them. It explains how so few moderate so many subs.
Considering what these people do when they get an agenda in their teeth, I'd assert that even regular people off the street would do a better job.
Most mod work is glorified spammer/extra obtrusive troll removal.
[–]PooperSnooperPrime 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I agree, regular people would do a better job. The problem is, they do not want that job. Describe it as janitorial work or spammer/troll removal or whatever, its still unpaid, tedious labor which the average person has better things to do than this job. Which is why those with insufferable personalities, who are normally shunned everywhere (and thus don't have better things to do), are accepted into these jobs which no one else wants. It has the unfortunate side effect of giving them power and forces us to interact with them to varying degrees.
[–]hagamablabla 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
Can someone explain what the charts mean? Is it showing that they upvote stuff they like and downvote stuff they don't?
[–]frobalt 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Presumably, the red line is the score of the SRS submission with the blue line being the score of the comment they link to.
Notice how the comment score goes down drastically as the SRS submission score increases? It's being assume that they correlate because SRS users are brigading said comment.
The first graph shows the comment score recovering.
[–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Is it showing that they upvote stuff they like and downvote stuff they don't?
Casually speaking, that's one way you can look at the graphs. See (going by the prefixed numbers) 792 and compare it to 291 and 523, as one example. Afterwards, look at the content of each and see if they really approve or not. A small warning that there are nuances in the graphs (such as outsiders, people within the subreddits, and so on).
[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Archive links for this post:
I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.
[–]ggdsf 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
can the script get published?
[–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Unless the other user decides to release it here, not at this point in time. From the last conversation up on IRC, the script needs to go through some refactoring and optimization before it can be released.
[–]KingGoogley 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Idk how that subreddit is alive, under new rules of Reddit it should be banned. Basically a Hate group beading more hate, brigades pushing an agenda, unreasonable bans for even the slightest diversion in their meta. Overall toxic subreddit.
[–]AcherosIs fake journalism | Is a prophet 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Rules don't apply to those on the "right side" of history.
[–]elbanditofrito 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Does this algorithm track submission/comment voting prior to being linked? It isn't "proof" unless it does; with that said, it's ignorant to believe brigading doesn't occur (especially when np linking is not enforced).
[–]SinfulSound comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (16 children)
"brigading is the stupidest complaint on the internet. Literally "people with different opinions are coming here to express them".
God forbid anyone threatens the echo chamber.
[–]TomValiant 12 points13 points14 points  (15 children)
Brigading is not "expressing your opinion", it's mass downvoting.
[–]SinfulSound comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (14 children)
From unique ip's. It's hardly a malicious attack from an individual. It's people expressing thier opinion in whatever form. If you were complaining about not being able to share your opinion you might have a point. If you are complaining about reddits system then complain about that instead of people using it.
[–]TomValiant 10 points11 points12 points  (11 children)
Even so, downvotes aren't supposed to be used for expressing your opinion, they are made to mark low-effot comments and posts.
And as I said, mass. When a post gets linked on SRS or subs like it - and they disagree with it, sometimes they go over to the post and downvote all the comments.
[–]SinfulSound 0 points1 point2 points  (10 children)
They aren't used that way and never have been.
[–]SinfulSound 1 point2 points3 points  (8 children)
Yeah no one gives a shit. Down votes are never used that way. Even in this thread.
[–]TomValiant 1 point2 points3 points  (7 children)
I just looked at your comment history, I am not even going to try arguing with someone who is clearly mental.
[–]TomValiant 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
Now I genuinely want to stab you.
[–]Mattk50 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I tend to agree that the entire anti brigading rule is a bit silly. What i think is more important is that the rule is being lamentably unfairly and unevenly enforced to further specific political agendas.
We have more people, anyways. If the brigading rule was removed we'd be at the advantage.
[–]UnchainedMundane 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
From unique ip's. It's hardly a malicious attack from an individual
But it is an attack from a group. One person doesn't like the comment, so they bring other people who they know won't like the comment, and in that group of people they each downvote the comment because they don't like it.
Yes, it's just each person's opinion, but it's also a greatly skewed view of the opinion on that subreddit, as the opinion of the brigading group is given far more weight than it would have been given without the brigade. Most people involved in the brigade are not regular participants of the subreddit and would not have come across the comment otherwise.
So the crime is not the downvotes, but the skewing of apparent opinion according to your own agenda, by bringing in your personal army.
[–]ShitAltSays comment score below threshold-24 points-23 points-22 points  (7 children)
I don't think anyone on SRS really denies it, they will at most say
  1. anti-Brigading is silly
  2. I forgot that I was linked here and accidentally voted.
But, what I'm actually interested in, does SRS get brigaded? A lot of times when something is first linked(a lot of KiA's), it will get pretty heavy downvotes including the comments. Then the comments on SRS are all "xd oops, we brigaded ourselves" but I'm seriously leaning towards the idea that its SRSters downvoting.
[–]ProJoe 27 points28 points29 points  (0 children)
they emphatically deny it.
[–]brotherjustincrowe 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
I can say as a fact that if you post there and get upvoted, and KiA/TiA/any number of others are in your post history, you'll be banned for brigading without a second mention.
It's okay though, you can message the mods and they'll call you a crybaby.
[–]ShitAltSays comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (2 children)
I only comment on SRS but they've never banned me.
I get the updoots.
[–]brotherjustincrowe 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Give it time.
[–]morzinbo 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
I've never commented on SRS and I'm banned.
[–]EmptyEmptyInsides 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
I don't know about SRS specifically but I'm pretty sure I've seen KiA linked threads get brigaded. It seems pretty blatant when the vote patterns are much more in line with KiA's opinions than those of the sub's regular posters.
And I don't know how anyone buys the argument that archived links stop brigading. It shows intention on the sub's moderators to be anti-brigading but that's about it. Having to copy/paste a link is really not a significant obstacle. Imaged links with URL/thread title cropped out go a little further but even then the URL is usually just a couple seconds of googling away.
That's not to say there's a big portion of people here doing it but with thousands of readers you really don't need a lot to make an impact.
[–]Ls777 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Obviously biased position, but we definitely have gotten brigaded by you guys before. Worst one I recall is when we had that sticky that encouraged posting links from subs that we don't usually allow links from
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