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[–]Ser_Rodrick_Cassel -21ポイント-20ポイント  (39子コメント)

can we stop using the word mansplainer altogether please? it's sexists and insulting. being condescending is a not a gender thing, it's a "being an asshole" thing. there are plenty of condescending people of both genders. and why do you care if people do podcasts? if you don't like it don't listen to them that's all. I have occasional anxiety that's worsened by a speaking disorder. recording myself and listening to myself helps a lot with these issues. I was thinking about starting a podcast and it's very frustrating and demoralizing to know that apparently some people will hold that against me in a nonsensical gender war thing. as if talking about which board games and sports I like makes me a "mansplainer".

[–]Alterit 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't want to start yet another fucking thread about mansplaining here. So I'm going to skip it. There are people on both sides here.

But for your last point - no one is saying that people who make podcasts are 'mansplainers.' Make a podcast if you want. No one is going to think you're an asshole for doing that. Unless of course you use it as a soapbox to say asshole things. But, by the sound of it, you have other intentions.

A woman calling out the shit we deal with isn't an attack on men. We're just trying to point out sexism. She's not advocating that all men shut down their podcasts. It's just a bit of proof that men also like to talk. Which should be obvious to anyone capable of basic human logic, and yet the stereotype that women won't shut up still persists. And that stereotype is damaging since it often silences women irl.

[–]dreamendDischargerJust give me pets, caffeine and video games 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not the woman's tweet so much as the choice of title the OP used. The original tweet had nothing to do with mansplaining or anything more than a simple observation about how men really are just as chatty as woman.

The tweet: fine.

OP's title: juuuuust a little sexist.

[–]Alterit 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, the comment I responded to was talking about both things. It seemed like they thought the tweet was saying men shouldn't do podcasts. Which I don't think it was saying. And as far as the title, while I also don't understand how that had anything to do with the tweet, we'll have to agree to disagree about the word itself.

[–]dreamendDischargerJust give me pets, caffeine and video games 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Basically yeah the title really has nothing to do with the tweet except I'm guessing OP made the connection of 'men talking' = mansplaining? which is what I think feels a bit sexist.

The tweet itself I interpreted to mean 'there's a stereotype of women talking to much but so many dudes have podcasts now' which is fair enough.

But have an upvote from me since I don't understand why you're getting downvoted for a discussion.

[–]Alterit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I thought the title was maybe due to the fact that there were mansplainers responding to the tweet itself...? But then why not post those in the screenshot too? Oh well. Just speculation at this point.

And thanks. I don't get it either. Also shrug.

[–]Snackcubus 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

being condescending is a not a gender thing

Being condescending because one is a man and believes he knows more about something than someone else because she is a woman is a gender thing, though. And it's common enough phenomenon with unique causes, therefore, it's developed as its own term.

and why do you care if people do podcasts? if you don't like it don't listen to them that's all. I have occasional anxiety that's worsened by a speaking disorder. recording myself and listening to myself helps a lot with these issues.

That's fine, but if you're whining about other people being chatty, then recording lengthy podcasts of you talking . . . that makes you a hypocrite, no?

[–]thecrazing 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck me, how have you not gotten tired of picking stupid fights here.

[–]praline_pecans 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're totally right that the word "mansplain" does not fit with this post. I noticed too. I hope you decide to make your podcast.

[–]RyugiF2M lesbo, haters 6ポイント7ポイント  (28子コメント)

I agree the post is dumb and kinda sexist. But I feel like mansplaining is a funny word, and it's perfectly acceptable to use womansplaining too, when in the context of "being an asshole and condescending towards someone they perceive as the opposite sex."

I'm sorry about your struggles with your disorder. But personally I would like to encourage you to do whatever the fuck you want. You wanna do a podcast or a talk show on youtube? Go for it. Don't let some jerks on the 'net change your mind.

If you wanna talk feel free to pm me.

[–]Alterit 19ポイント20ポイント  (27子コメント)

I agree the post is dumb and kinda sexist.

Why though? Why, anytime women point out sexism, are we immediately labeled as reverse-sexists? How is that right? If society or some person in particular is being a bigot, then of course they're going get uncomfortable being called out. Our job should not be to protect their feelings, but to get to the root of why they have these hateful opinions. If we keep ignoring this stuff, it will never change.

[–]Trannosaur 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

What trollx am I in where this gets downvoted into the negatives. :/

[–]Alterit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm wondering that myself...

[–]RyugiF2M lesbo, haters 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

Its not "reverse sexist" its just sexist, because anyone can be sexist to anyone else as long as they're attacking someone based off of their sex and characteristics or stereotypes thereof. The post does not try to "get to the root of why we have these hateful opinions," the post simply is a hateful opinion.

What IS getting to the root of the problem is a diologue about how, for example, "men say that women talk too much but women typically just smile and nod for mansplaining. Could it be that men just refuse to respect a woman's words, or could it be that, in some cases, one or the other party knows more legitimately?" Just making a post that attacks based on sex is not at all helpful nor open-minded.

[–]Snackcubus 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

The post does not try to "get to the root of why we have these hateful opinions," the post simply is a hateful opinion.

How is "guys who criticize women for being too talkative but then record podcasts of themselves talking are hypocritical" hateful? Because it points out hypocrisy?

I think it points out that the stereotype doesn't make sense compared with the reality of how much guys talk, too.

[–]RyugiF2M lesbo, haters -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Its not pointing out hypocrisy in this context, because I'm pretty sure that actually 90% of all men who use the internet don't actually all have podcasts with 0 followers. That's why it's attacking and sexist, and not pointing out hypocrisy.

[–]Snackcubus 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm guessing the 90% was supposed to be hyperbolic, but even if it weren't meant to be, "most men have podcasts no one listens to" is hateful?

If people complain women talk too much, but at least some men do a whole bunch of talking at length in podcasts . . . how is that sexist? How is that attacking men?

[–]RyugiF2M lesbo, haters 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It does not change the fact that using a false statistic in order to be attacking is attacking, as opposed to complaining about ACTUAL hypocrisy.

[–]Snackcubus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Again, I don't think the statistic was meant to be taken literally.

If I say, "It's a billion degrees outside," I don't mean it's actually a billion degrees outside.

[–]Alterit 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

I agree anyone can hold sexist/racist/homophobic views. Just saying that's what we get called. But again, it's not sexist to point out sexism.

And yeah, this isn't getting to the root of the problem. Because we're still trying to call attention to the problem. And honestly, no matter how she said this, someone would have a problem with it.

But again, this is not attacking men in any way. It's just pointing out a double standard.

[–]RyugiF2M lesbo, haters 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is attacking men, because I'm pretty sure that it's not a viable statistic that 90% of all men who use the internet actually have a podcast that no one watches.

[–]Snackcubus 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're making it sound like she said 90% of men need to be burned at the stake or 90% of men are violent and abusive or something.

I feel like a hyperbolic stat over something innocuous like having an unpopular podcast, which directly contradicts the stereotype that women are the chatty ones, isn't really that harsh or hostile or hateful.

[–]RyugiF2M lesbo, haters 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It does not change the fact that using a false statistic in order to be attacking is attacking, as opposed to complaining about ACTUAL hypocrisy.

[–]Snackcubus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really surprised that you genuinely took the 90% statistic to be sincere. It's really not supposed to be.

[–]Alterit 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

'80% of women own refrigerators but rarely use them' - isn't an attack. It might not be true, but it's also not sexist. Her statement is benign. I would wager 90% of podcasts in general have 0 listeners, but that's just how it goes. Most self-published books will be unread by someone other than the author. Most paintings won't be hung in a museum. Most actors won't get famous. None of that is specific, but it's closer to the truth than not. In context, all the tweet is trying to say is 'women are told they talk too much, but men talk just as much.'

[–]RyugiF2M lesbo, haters 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

In this context it is an attack, it is not a constructive discussion in any way. It's spiteful, petty, and childish.

[–]Alterit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just don't agree. I don't see anything here attacking men for making podcasts.

[–]Ser_Rodrick_Cassel 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

of course pointing out sexism is good. but that's not what this post is doing. I don't see it identifying a specific occurrence of sexism and describing how and why it's wrong. all it's doing is making a vague attack against an entire gender.

"mansplainers everywhere" (...) 90% of dudes (...)

that's not pointing out sexism. it's just a gross generalization.

[–]Alterit 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

How is it an 'attack' to say 90% of dudes have podcasts? Generality, sure. But not an attack. And again, I'm not getting into an argument about if 'mansplaining' is an attack.

I don't see it identifying a specific occurrence of sexism and describing how and why it's wrong.

Crazy how women have the stereotype of being chatty

That's the specific - the stereotype. The why it's bad should be obvious.

[–]RyugiF2M lesbo, haters -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Using a false statistic in order to be attacking is attacking, as opposed to complaining about ACTUAL hypocrisy.

[–]Alterit 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

She is complaining about actual hypocrisy... That of the persistent idea that women talk too much, when men talk just as much.

[–]RyugiF2M lesbo, haters -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

She was complaining about hypocrisy while committing it.

[–]Alterit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

But she's not saying it's a bad thing that a lot of men have unpopular podcasts.

[–]Radians -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree the post is dumb and kinda sexist.

why, anytime women point out sexism.

Generalism vs specificity. Wonder who seems more logical here.

The comment + comment chain + post are fairly black and white. You seem to be the one starting a meaningless argument. Sorry if you don't like comments from the peanut gallery. Just my two cents.

[–]Alterit 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

We have one example here to rail on. But if you hang around feminist spaces long enough, you'll see the pattern emerge where 'women points out sexism' followed by 'is called a man-hater.' It's not unusual. And that is exactly what that comment was trying to do. Claiming it's sexist to point out sexism.

Wonder who seems more logical here.

You seem to be the one starting a meaningless argument.

And you're clearly trying to gaslight me.

Edit: But just so you don't think I'm pulling this out of thin air, here are some anti-feminist posters from the beginning of suffrage that show what women who call out sexism get in response.

I would say feminists being called 'man-haters' is as common and old as the idea that all feminists are ugly. It's obviously effective at shutting down discussion, which is why it still happens.

[–]Radians 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And you're clearly trying to gaslight me.

Yea you're right. I was antagonizing when i shouldn't have been. Was an "in the moment" sneer.

[–]BernieKernelSanders 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

can we stop using the word mansplainer altogether please?

nope

[–]thatchersnipples -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

maybe reconsider making yet another podcast, and try toastmasters and therapy. tm is very considerate of disabilities such as speech disorders.