Thoughts whilst playing New Vegas again after playing Fallout 4...

slothking69 · 7時間前

Yeah I agree with all of your points. I think they are both great games for many different reasons. Fallout 4 had quite a few quests that I thought were great as well, and I really enjoyed the main story quests despite not great writing. I put in about 120 hours into Fallout 4 on PS4 and enjoyed every minute of it. New Vegas is my favorite game of all time though and I'm currently doing a new play through on PC with mods. I haven't played it in years and I'm excited because the only DLC I played was Old World Blues. I've heard great things about the rest and I'm excited for new Fallout content. I also picked up Fallout 2 during the steam sale and I am excited to try that out as well.

AboynamedDOOMTRAIN · 3時間前

Your point on the towns made me realize the building aspect of 4 would have been a ~~million~~ 20 times better if I'd gotten to be the mayor of 1 big town rather than 20 little ones. I'd have been so much more invested. I might actually care about defending it then. Also wouldn't hurt if there had actually been a reason to do it outside of the related achievements.

Wheredoesthetoastgo2 · 4時間前

I've always said that obsidian needs to write the game plot and dialogue and Bethesda with locations and maps

Socksockmaster · 3時間前

I agree about exploration but for me it's less about the locations and more about the incentive to scavenge. In fo3 and NV I pretty quickly learned to ignore almost all items except for armor and weapons, but in fo4 literally every item that can be picked up has some worth for wearing/using/crafting. Makes the looting experience much more satisfying IMO and is one of the things I think I'll miss most playing the older games.

GammaG3 · 7時間前

Yeah, these points, I agree with them all, although I should note that the combat in NV is a bit of an improvement on 3 because here you could actually aim down the sights as well as the inclusion of weapon mods (albeit it was a very limited system). And the fun in NV comes from the RPG and interaction as opposed as the constant gun-play in 3 and 4.

GuruAlex · 3時間前

Kind of an odd point to add but fallout 4 had a much better survival mode. Companion perks felt better also

hongus32 · 5時間前

Although they differ a lot, I truly believe FO4 was an excellent jump to the next gen. Hopefully in the future we will get a new fallout with the great combat mechanics of FO4, a story as rich as NV, and better story driven DLC (no more settlement DLCs)

HouseTully · 5時間前

I agree except the faction armour and system. For me on the two 80+ hour playthroughs I've done that whole thing was almost entirely broken. I'd have factions randomly aggro despite having positive rating and neutral armour. In fact the only time I really used the faction armour was in an attempt o fix broken aggro levels. I'd fast travel to let's say an NCR zone only to have them open fire despite never doing anything against them. Then I'd have to basically glitch the game back to having them be positive towards me even though I was idolized. It was a good idea that's very poorly executed.

blankdeck31 · 2時間前

My biggest gripe going from 4 back to NV again was the in ability to run. (Which in the grand scheme is small but annoying) I found the story much more interesting in NV as well. In 4 it felt like I just ran around shouting "WHERE IS MY SON SHAWN" until I found him. NV had groups and people to interact with that shaped the story and relationships where as in 4 I felt factions were used to just show which group you sided with.

So in my opinion F:NV had better story telling and faction interaction while FO4 had better gameplay mechanics running, gunplay, looting, armor, customization etc.

Your401Kplan · 6時間前

I found new Vegas waaaay more fun to explore. Fallout 4 felt very bland. Every building felt the same.

TripleOGeg · 6時間前

I disagree about exploration, I found Fallout 4 to be empty and boring whereas NV felt interesting and you never knew what you'd stumble across.

Also you used a DLC as an example without including DLC for NV which is a bit unfair.

Also you missed different ammo types.

damncommieghosts · 1時間前

I don't know about the whole AI being better in Fallout 4. Companions have actually saved my ass in combat in FNV, but in Fallout 4, companions run off of overpasses...I can't tell you how many times a companion got me killed in 4.

Bloodhit · 1時間前

Basically most of cons coming from FO3 old engine that's Obsidian really couldn't do anything about.

Tburrrg · 3時間前

I came here expecting only to simply read "Fallout 4 sucks" but this was a very refreshing read.

posidonius_of_rhodes · 5時間前

On the Con: Exploration, this is highly subjective. I personally think the opposite because I have such a deep connection with the originals, and how much I hate dense, closed areas like cities.

I always imagined wandering open wastes as what Fallout was.

Paris_Who · 3時間前

I'd like to add a few things as im replaying FO4/New Vegas and 3 at the same time right now.

4 Definitely has the better gun play, but Melee in 3 and new Vegas feels more fluid. However there's no weight to melee weapons in 3/NV making them all feel sameish.

3/NV's crafting system are shit, I find myself actively avoiding everything unless I KNOW i need it for a schematic I have. I do like Schematics though, being able to make weapons is really awesome and should have been expanded on in 4 in other ways. Especially with the lack of variety in Melee weapons in 4.

Orphan_Script · 2時間前

Agreed on all points. Enjoying combat in FNV is like purposely stepping back in time. It's just a rudimentary hitbox system with poor AI. If you grew up playing games like that, it probably ages better for you.

One other thing, which also has to do with dialogue and writing, are the depth of the characters. Take Johnson Nash vs. the leader of Abernathy farm. Or the leader of Covenant vs. the leader of the Boomers. Or Kellog vs. Benny. I think Veronica has more quest-content associated with her than most of the Fo4 companions combined- and the companions are the most interesting characters in FO4. In every case, it helps the characters feel multidimensional and most importantly interesting when there is more dialogue and more content associated with them.

Vizkos · 1時間前

"Enemy AI technically falls under combat, but meh."

I wouldn't know, I always shoot from a distance. Sneak and Anti-Material rifle ftw. #bestieWithBoon4Life I will admit though, if you don't get 1 shot kills, AI in Fallout 4 is much better...they will actually run in your direction and/or blind fire in your direction even though you aren't detected.

I agree with you on all other points. I haven't played any of the previous Fallouts since release, but I've put enough hours into them (400+) to have a strong memory footprint of what they were like. One thing that made me really stoked about Fallout 4 at E3 last year was the fluid looking combat. Ultimately, the main shortfall of Fallout 4 is that the game feels empty after completing it. There are no real interesting radiant quests (at least Skyrim had assassinations and raids that you can treat as infiltrations).

Muscly_Geek · 1時間前

While the "run and gun" control scheme isn't anywhere near as good as FO4's, I really liked that grenades required switching, and how slow VATS was.

It let you shoot it out of their hands, and blow them up.

indylord · 1時間前

Honestly, I think a lot of conversations in NV feel like cardboard cut outs of real conversations, especially when talking to big characters such as Graham or Ulysses; they don't feel like actual people. 4 gets a lot of hate for dialogue options leading to similar outcomes, but that's always been the case for video games as a whole. When you take off the rose tinted glasses, NV isn't going to be as good as you remember; it's usually been treated as the "underdog" of the series up until the "not-RPG" 4 came out, creating a cycle of incredibly passive-aggressive posts either aimed at 4 haters or lovers. That's just my 2 cents.

daJamestein · 59分前

I find the combat serviceable, and the UI is clunky after enjoying the fluidity of Fallout 4's gameplay, but I still believe that New Vegas is the much better game.

Firstly, it's a better Fallout game. The RP, the characters, the story, the choices, the conversations, it's engrossing, it's deep and it offers you a new experience ever time, giving you a reason to go back and try new characters and quests. After owning the game for three years and beating it four times, I'm still finding new things to do and explore.

And, the only point of yours I strongly disagree with is the exploration. In Fallout 4, there was no real point. There was nothing interesting off the beat and track. In New Vegas, I could set off in any direction and wind up somewhere new and interesting, I might even find a quest or two. In Fallout 4, there was no reason or incentive to.

This is why, after all these years, I love New Vegas to the bone and other than Metal Gear Solid 2, it's my favourite video game of all time. However, I have an open mind, and I haven't tried Far Harbour yet, so maybe my opinions will change once I get round to it.

Sigourn · 47分前

The problem with Bethesda's and New Vegas' exploration lie on a fundamental level.

Bethesda doesn't know how to organize exploration. I know because I've played Gothic 1, and it feels VASTLY different than Bethesda's take on open world RPGs. It's even better than Morrowind. Exploring is meaningful, items are cool, enemies are strong and as you get stronger you open up new areas to explore. There's a reason to explore, something that I feel Morrowind lacked from time to time. "Why should I bother entering that tomb?" crossed my mind quite a few times, but in Gothic you never know what sort of goodies you can find in a cave, and it's ironic I say this considering Morrowind did the loot aspect far better than Skyrim (where the loot was levelled and pointless anyways), with its handplaced daedric artifacts, glass equipment, and the like.
In addition, Bethesda sometimes forces exploration on the basis of acquiring items that improve your stats. For some reason they don't do this on The Elder Scrolls, where it would make sense (given the magical nature of the game), but they do do it on Fallout. People actually justify the existence of some locations because "you can find a Bobblehead there!".
Obsidian chose a desert location for the game. It is bound to be boring. But some things could have been done to mitigate this: add locations, caves, perhaps even sandpits you can climb down and find some sort of underground complexes and emergency fallout shelters. That way the desert aspect remains on the surface (literally), but in caves and underground the world map really opens up and gets much bigger.
Overall, like I always say, I find that New Vegas' world is very predictable after only one playthrough. Morrowind, by comparison, is much more vast, much more diverse, caves and locations hidden throughout the world, literally going a few feet past your usual exploration zone let's you find new places to enter.

In the end, I'd rather have Obsidian's approach as long as they set the game in a location other than a desert. Sadly we still haven't got a Fallout/TES game where:

The world is built logically.
The exploration makes sense.
The rewards are meaningful.

All those three can be found in Gothic 1. God, I love Gothic 1.

Broly_ · 6時間前

NV also has waaaaayyyy more weapons.

FO4 has more armor.

Im surprised you never mentioned crafting or weapon attachments though. (FO4 did it better)

JohnBsGhost · 4時間前

I always felt like NV was a desert that they just scattered map markers across instead of FO4 where it felt like everything organically changed.

gh0stmach1ne · 4時間前

My number one complaint with New Vegas was always that it was lacking a total post apocalypse feel. The desert vibe is nice but it feels more like a western than anything until you go into the vaults or something.

The total devastation found in Fallout 3 is where it's at, and Fallout 4 reclaimed some of that.

ITT: people who don't get where I'm coming from

xDosh · 4時間前

I see that a lot of people complain about the exploration in New Vegas and I just don't understand why, it's the MOJAVE DESERT for fucks sake come on people. You guys know it's gonna take place in a desert and yet you all complain about it being barren. Though my opinion is that they should've made the strip a lot bigger and with lots more places to go and being a bit more populated in the streets, and I think the argument of the games map being too barren would've gone away if they had did what I said.

TheHeroicOnion · 2時間前

The disguise system usually isn't that important but once I had the Powder Ganger hate me while I still had a quest from them, I used a disguise to turn in the quest. The only time it felt useful.

BearFishBG · 1時間前

You mentioned Abernathy Farm as part of the settlements that needed more life adding to them. An easy way of doing this would be by having the daughter that's already dead when you get there be alive.

This way, after you do the standard locket retrieval slog, the daughter could have been killed later as a revenge attack, something as simple as this would have given the place its own little story that the player gets to experience. As it is, the settlement has its own past thats already happened meaning the player doesn't get as immersed as compared to if the character died due to the players own actions.

SquirtleSpaceProgram · 1時間前

Only Greygarden and The Slog feel like viable, independent settlements when you first encounter them, and even those could use some work!

I'm not sure, but I think this is intentional. The minutemen are supposed to be a rag tag group of beaten down people who are just trying to make their way in the world. The settlements they incorporate aren't viable because, if they were, they wouldn't need the minutemen.

breakinghorizon · 1時間前

I agree wholeheartedly with your points. The pros of new Vegas kept me away from fallout 4 for a long time. I bought it on day one and didn't really pick it up until a month ago. When I realized how the story was and the new dialogic options, I was utterly disappointed. I got over it and I now see fallout 4 as the great get that it is, which isn't an rpg, but a borderlands-esque shooter with rpg elements.

Pantheon_Of_Oak · 55分前

I really honestly never think it's fair to compare combat like that. To me, like, of course the combat is 4 in better. They've had years to improve it! Same way I feel about 1 to 2. Of course the game mechanics are better in 2, they've had time to improve them! (think bottlecaps from 1 to 2 for example)

spliffdecisions · 52分前

agree mostly buddy, fallout 4 is a lot more fun to just explore with one character, also the unique weapons and ammo crafting is much improved in NV compared to F4

soupboy39 · 25分前

When talking about the "barren" state of the Mojave and it being not as good in the exploration field it needs to be considered that it had an 18 month dev cycle while FO4 probably had more than double that.

Hoploo · 1分前

Opposing opinion here, I liked the exploration and interface in NV better. They aren't perfect, but I prefer them.

But I just about agree with you on everything else.

Crezek · 1分前

I agree completely. In my evil run through of New Vegas, I sided with the powder gangers in the the first real encounter. And would later spread the Legion propaganda. Fallout New Vegas was an all around fantastic game, but so was Fallout 4, if you combined the best parts of New Vegas and Fallout 4, you'd have the best, golden game you could ever imagine

masterlater · 6時間前

I played the majority of nv with mods such as realistic ballistics and other combat fixes. It played more like Fallout 4. Yeah, it was a better game than 4 that way.

red_hawkx21 · 1時間前

I'm glad they removed karma though. That system was unneeded IMO.

plee585 · 3時間前

my biggest gripe with FO3/NV after playing FO4 is that i don't have a place to store my gear. i know FO3 has the Megaton house/Tenpenny tower but i have no place currently in NV. constantly having to clear out my inventory when i find new essentials is annoying. i also haven't got into New Vegas yet and i can't remember if theres an actual home there.

Dinoavatar · 1時間前

I always said Fallout 4 was best until you got out of combat, the shooting feels so much better compared to the old games.

slapdashbr · 1時間前

I want to add another point that I think is important for people who want a role-playing game with guns- the weapons themselves.

Fallout 4 has some stunningly stupid weapon designs. The left-handed bolt action rifle that is used incorrectly by a supposed ex-soldier? What the fuck? They ditched the chinese assault rifle. The "combat rifle" uses pistol ammo. The lever-action rifle is also left-handed (left-sided loading gate) which literally doesn't exist IRL, and the reloading animation is broken. The "assault rifle" is a fucking heavy machine gun from WW1 using 5.56. The Deliverer uses 10mm auto, which is way too high-powered for a compact blowback pistol like the PPK.

Fallout 4 is downright stupid when it comes to most of the ranged weapons. It is clear that Bethesda didn't even attempt to make the weapons in FO4 realistic in any way. Yeah, I know it's a video game... but I've never seen a video game that gets so many things so wrong. Frankly it's insulting to players.

Noodlespanker · 2時間前

Thankfully, I'm playing on PC so solving this problem is as easy as downloading a mod.

Cue John Cena into

Yamiji · 5時間前

Being able to disguise yourself dependent on the clothes you're wearing. Have a bad reputation with the Powder Gangers but don't want to fight whilst walking through their territory? Throw on some of their armour without getting too close to them.

Wasn't that a part of a mod though?

Month	Winner	Reward
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August	/u/SquigBoss	Perception 10
September	/u/portlandian1	Vault Experiment Creator
October	/u/StealthSuitMkII	Fortune Finder
November	/u/Rotaken	Codsworth
November	/u/Seksie	Dogmeat
March	/u/superdudeseth	Project Horizon

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