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Meta Monday: Brigading Happened (self.fatlogic)

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[–]0xyidiotIt's not fat! It is secret muscle! 18ポイント19ポイント  (19子コメント)

This Sub treads a fucking very fine line between just criticizing the logical hurdles FA's go through and FPH.

I see so many comments leaning towards that it actually gets me worried. Because if a person looking for help came here, they might get chased away and this is a great place to remove those crazy mental barriers we put in place.

It also debunks much of what is said by FA's without dancing around the issue, which I feel happens a lot elsewhere. Like straight up, "No, this is why its wrong".

There is a difference between attacking the logical foundation of an argument and just calling someone a worthless fatty. And we shouldn't hate on fat people. Many are misinformed or just in a bad space.

Although people that spread fatlogic like its some cure all to their problems can get knotted. They are literally passively killing themselves and other people.

[–]KnightsFan 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fortunately the rules say mods have total discretion, if something crosses the ideas/person line report it. That's the only way to deal with it. Especially now that Summer Reddit is here.

[–]GuitarKitteh 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lets not forget that sweet post that made it to the top, with a girl that wasn't actually even fat. Wondering why she was made to feel so shitty because she was regular size and couldn't fit into clothes..and she was torn apart for being a "cry baby fattie"

She was actually not even fat, but forget about checking facts and go straight for bullying/tearing someone to shreds.

The line is thin, and I don't see a buffer anymore.

[–]BigFriendlyDragon/r/askfatlogic - for all your big fat questions.[M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The line is thin, and I don't see a buffer anymore.

The buffer is you guys. We mods are people with jobs and families, we try to sniff out the FPH and remove/ban where we can, but we cannot do an effective job unless the user base reports offensive comments and rule breaking. If you see anything that you think breaks the rules, report it - I can promise you that it will be dealt with swiftly. We have a big mod team spread across many time zones, and although we are not omnipresent we can see reports very quickly and deal with them. Community involvement in moderating is critical to the future of this subreddit.

[–]emash1994 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or the two posts about the models that were healthy BMIs getting called fat, too big, or etc.

[–]wurdle -2ポイント-1ポイント  (13子コメント)

The other stickied thread has some serious garbage fires. There is a long chain that skirts really close to transphobia. When hate gets upvoted (oh sorry, "anti tumblrina SJW posts"), I start to think that this sub deserves to be shut down.

[–]BatDogOnBatMobile 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

When hate gets upvoted...

I'd agree with you on this part - this sub often gives me the impression that it is full of people looking for the smallest excuse to hate and let all of their anger out. The more I have seen of this sub, the less I like it - I have gone from signing up to reddit so that I could participate here to having unsubscribed a few months back and paying a visit only every couple of weeks or so.

I start to think that this sub deserves to be shut down.

This is the part I don't agree with. I would like to see it improve instead of getting closed, especially because I believe that it only needs a few good measures (mostly from the mods' side) to potentially improve a lot.

[–]GuitarKitteh -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

this sub often gives me the impression that it is full of people looking for the smallest excuse to hate and let all of their anger out. The more I have seen of this sub, the less I like it

Yes. I used to love coming here, now suddenly it's just going to shit, and nobody is stopping that from happening.

"We are not FPH", and yet, that's exactly what this is becoming and I don't even see a point in reporting things because nothing seems to get through anyway.

Maybe I got a little softer from seeing all the hateful stuff on here, but I definitely am more aware of it now.

[–]BatDogOnBatMobile 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

and nobody is stopping that from happening.

This is why I think incidents like this might actually be good for the sub - they might bring a lot of pain to the mods in the short-term, but as a result they are gonna take measures to prevent something similar happening again, thereby improving the sub in the long-term.

I don't even see a point in reporting things because nothing seems to get through anyway.

Mostly matches what my experience has been with reporting. For a sub that wants to encourage and rely so much on reports, there needs to be work done on the part of the mods too - e.g. have something like a 'Points Flair & Rewards' system like /r/videos, where you get rewarded for (rightly) reporting. Also, if something gets reported by several people but you, as mods, decide to not take it down, put up an explainer as to why you disagree with your subscribers.

I would say that in this sense I kinda liked FPH - they were bad and they admitted they were bad, while this sub is not that good, but likes to act all goody two-shoes. At least with FPH, what you saw was what you got.

Edit: Would add that I have tried suggesting some really simple steps to improve the sub in the past, but they have mostly fallen on deaf ears.

[–]BigFriendlyDragon/r/askfatlogic - for all your big fat questions.[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Feel free to suggest them again. Busy ears can appear deaf at times, but we do appreciate any suggestions that can improve moderation of this sub where we can implement them. Send the mods a PM with your ideas, and I'll make sure they get fair consideration.

[–]BatDogOnBatMobile 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

It is pretty interesting that all three comments in this chain got 1 downvote each, within a few seconds of you making this comment. This is either an extremely strong coincidence, or your idea of trying to improve the sub involves suppression of criticism.

[–]BigFriendlyDragon/r/askfatlogic - for all your big fat questions.[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Coincidence. I have not voted on any of these comments.

[–]BatDogOnBatMobile [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well unfortunately, screenshots aren't good proof. Either way, I find it amusing that somebody downvoted all honest criticism in a chain.

[–]maybesaydiemy hypothalamus is burning on all cylinders[S,M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That is a doctored screenshot and untrue. Frankly I'm kind of disgusted that this would even appear n this sub. Mods rarely vote in threads like this and no one in their right mind would write something like that.

[–]woxihuan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It may alternatively be that the language of social justice and tumblr has some strong affective resonances, as well as the phrase "I kinda liked FPH." It may be that some people just don't like that content and are downvoting because of that.

[–]maybesaydiemy hypothalamus is burning on all cylinders[S,M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We are a sub that is first and foremost sarcastic. We are laughing at the idiocy of fat acceptance. Over time we've evolved into a weight loss support hybrid withe the stickies and the recipes but much of our content is going to be poking fun of someone. The stickied post is a case in point. The hatefulness of OP was, in some cases, met with angry comments. But if we forbade content like that we would no longer be the unique sub we are. There are plenty of weight loss support subs on reddit. We're not really one of them. We'll support you in your weight loss efforts but we'll also mock the hell out of fat acceptance. Sometimes that gets rude. But we do enforce civility. We can't be everywhere at all times. I check reports several times an hour and still find rule breaking comments on my own. It's not fair to expect mods, who have jobs and lives to run this place as if we were paid to do it. I give this sub more time than I give my own family. because I love the place and the people. But we can't do it without your help. We may not remove a comment you report but we do read them all and make a decision. If you feel that decision is in error message us and tell us why.

[–]GuitarKitteh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not going to say I know what might be good to do, because I actually don't know what exactly is going to fix it, but I do know that I can definitely tell the slow decline.

The most I know to do is argue it out, hoping to get some back up. Mostly I just get red and have to walk away.

It really had gone down. Sucks because I used to love it here.

[–]wurdle 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guess I'm just tired of reporting hateful comments, check back a few hours later and not only are they still up, they are getting upvotes.

[–]maybesaydiemy hypothalamus is burning on all cylinders[S,M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A lot of the time reports don't have enough information. We can't remove things if we don't know why they seem hateful. Message the mods if you need to expand on a report. We only see the comment reported and don't see the comment it's in response to.