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Betraying Progressives, DNC Platform Backs Fracking, TPP, and Israel Occupation (commondreams.org)

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[–]win_the_day_go_ducks 803ポイント804ポイント  (117子コメント)

Well you know how it is in this country. You either want babies aborted or you want to allow terrorists to have guns. That's the reason we have two parties.

Core Shared Beliefs: Want healthcare? Sure, pay for it. Want make taxes fair for everyone? Sorry that's going to fuck up the economy. We're going to war. Must. Protect. Isreal! Carbon Taxes? Carbon has rights too you know. Did you say your family was deported? oh I'm so sorry to hear that. You can't afford college? How does $7.25 an hour sound? Environmental issues? Well, we you know have to take our time and really figure what has to be done.

Sorry, I'm high. And I'm pretty sure both parties would like to lock me up for that too.

edit: Thank you for the gold and all the comments! I'm glad to see my stoner ramblings actually started some great threads.

[–]right_mind_mechanic 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

Right on....where's the party for the person who wants to give terrorists aborted babies guns?

[–]HillarysInflamedEgo 72ポイント73ポイント  (3子コメント)

i think thats libertarians.

[–]flamingboard 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

All gay terrorist babies must be armed and have no less than an ounce of narcotics on them at any time.

[–]Piroca22 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No you misunderstood everything he said!

He wants pregnant women to have drug induced abortions, so they can sell their fetuses to terrorists, who will then use the babies as guns to fight christians.

You people never care about what the libertarians have to say!

[–]Courtlessjester 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. We want gay married couples able to defend their heroin poppy farm with m60s.

[–]chr0mius 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's crazy. We should give the guns abortions and terrorists get a $15 wage.

[–]asharwood 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No I'm all in for 15 min but terrorists risk their lives...think of their kids. I feel dirty for this and prob on a list.

[–]ILikeLenexa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maddox runs it. He's calling it the Regressive party. The crux of the platform though is ending abortion, but allowing killing babies, and children, and well people in general.

[–]Geikamir 35ポイント36ポイント  (19子コメント)

They make sure to not focus on fiscal progressive motives because that's where they would start losing lobby money. It all goes back to to money in politics being the issue.

[–]Horsefarts_inmouth 17ポイント18ポイント  (16子コメント)

Yep, leftists must be suppressed because we threaten the global banking elite

[–]in_the_saddle_again -5ポイント-4ポイント  (15子コメント)

But you wont back trump who wants break up the banks, audit the fed, and end the 250 billion a year wealth redistribution out of the middle class and poor that is illegal immigration.

[–]Horsefarts_inmouth 7ポイント8ポイント  (14子コメント)

Fuck no. Hopefully he dies soon. National embarrassment. You know nothing.

[–]_hungry_ghost -4ポイント-3ポイント  (13子コメント)

Haha, you leftist are so far up your own asses that you don't realize Hillary is fucking completely USING progressive voters and minority voters and she truly doesn't care at all about you.

Trump is the only candidate who can stop this type of corruption. If you fools elect Hillary Clinton this year, we are going to lose our democracy for good. It will show that the corporate media has too much control over our population already. And Hillary will only make their stranglehold stronger.

Do you even realize why you think the way you do about Trump? It is because you are constantly being hammered by TV and social media that you are supposed to hate him for x, y, and z.

Vote Trump if you don't want to reward the most blatant corruption in American history.

[–]Horsefarts_inmouth 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't watch TV or use social media and I don't support hillary. You're easily fooled by the reality TV candidate. Trump is not in any way a vote against corruption or the elite. You're what's called a useful idiot. Start thinking and don't be so gullible.

[–]_hungry_ghost -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are you kidding me?

Hillary supporters are the useful idiots. Why do you think the media is constantly indoctrinating viewers to think that Trump is literally Hitler?

[–]Geikamir 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hate Hillary more than Trump, by quite a lot. But I still would not be able to vote Trump. I will vote Green this year.

[–]_hungry_ghost 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough, I respect that.

[–]Horsefarts_inmouth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're so brainwashed lol

[–]TheSupaBloopa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you even realize why you think the way you do about Trump?

Yeah, because I've heard the things that have come straight from his mouth. There's no media bias there, watching any speech of his is enough to make anyone who's not a complete moron hate him.

[–]freeTrial [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is because you are constantly being hammered by TV and social media that you are supposed to hate him for x, y, and z.

For thirty years now? I've been disgusted by him for ages.

[–]zyzzguido55 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I won't vote for a xenophobic shithead. And how is a billionaire who has screwed over people to get where he is and born into wealth in anyway not corrupt?

[–]_hungry_ghost 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Being born into wealth is corrupt? Huh, that must be a new addition.

Trump has probably screwed over quite a few people in his business career, but how many people has Hillary screwed over?

She slut shamed all of Bill's mistresses.

She was so negligent that it led to the death of a US ambassador.

She advocated toppling governments in Iraq, Lybia, and Syria.

She is going to sell off American jobs in the TPP.

She has screwed over MILLIONS of people. MILLIONS.

Trump's transgressions are orders of magnitude less severe.

[–]starlit84 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Trump is not trustworthy at all, I don't buy that He is against corruption, He's against getting audited by the IRS. He will do nothing to actually stop corruption in Washington, He doesn't talk about any of that anyways, He literally panders to the republican base saying what they want to hear.

Trump isn't a good businessman and has screwed over many people and will continue to screw over his enemies if He is President.

Hillary isn't much better, but I think I trust her more than Trump at this point, which shouldn't be happening. And your whole media talking about trump argument doesn't mean anything, the only reason He is the front runner is because of the media. There is a decent chunk of people who hate Obama and think He has ruined this country, because it is what the conservative media has been saying for 8 years.

Now the Republicans want to win the White House, which I don't think will happen, if Obama beat Romney then I think Hillary can beat Trump. He isn't saying the things that need to be done, right now it just seems like they are all shutting up to not get anymore bad coverage, once the general starts heating up more Trump will say some more stupid stuff that will probably turn people away.

[–]_hungry_ghost -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are clearly very uninformed about what Trump stands for.

Or you might be trying to purposefully mislead people.

[–]denizen42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

lobbying™: putting the quotes in "democracy"!

[–]NeverDrumpf2016 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Except a more progressive tax on the rich is in the platform, as is student loan forgiveness, and a $15 minimum wage linked to median income.

[–]djn808 84ポイント85ポイント  (20子コメント)

or you want to allow terrorists to have guns.

That's like saying we can't have internet because it lets pedophiles have child porn.

[–]RipeManlyMango 66ポイント67ポイント  (14子コメント)

Great, now we know what they'll use for their next "War on ___" to take away our internet.

[–]DragoonDM 71ポイント72ポイント  (6子コメント)

"Pedophiles" are already one of the bogeymen they like to trot out whenever they try to pass new laws to spy on us, along with "terrorists." Don't support CISPA? Then you support child predators!

[–]in_the_saddle_again 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

Salon supports child predators

[–]luckierbridgeandrail 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought they supported child aliens. Which side are they on?!?

[–]mlnjd 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Super aliens.

[–]defaultfresh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah...the good ol' UFO crime bill

[–]Kind_Of_A_Dick [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If I ever became a politician and voted on stuff, the first thing I'd do is get a blog set up to explain what I was voting on that day and why I voted the way I did. Maybe even put up a little itinerary so people can see what I'm doing, or if that's considered too dangerous I would post on Monday everything I did the previous week.

[–]HillarysInflamedEgo 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

not take it away, justify massive assault on privacy online. they already use it pretty regularly.

[–]Tinytuna2 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you against the protect our children bill that gives us 24/7 unwarranted access to your webcams and microphones? Think of the children plus you shouldn't be worried if you've got nothing to hide!

[–]system0101 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the one who wages this war will be caught with child porn on their computer. After the "Make America Safe Again" anti-net legislation is passed, of course.

[–]AadeeMoien 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you seen England?

Edit: to clarify, I'm referring to their internet restrictions which were largely justified with porn and child porn.

[–]EvenEveryNameWasTake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean SJWs?, It's a lot more likely that they'll be fighting for normalization and acceptance of paedophilia.

[–]iliveinapark [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Gotta make war on something!

[–]MoldTheClay 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're missing the point of the statement. He makes both statements as hyperbolic as possible to point out how these issues are used. Both parties by and large agree on a lot of economic issues but differ largely over key identity issues. Tell me your position on guns and I can probably guess your party affiliation. Gay marriage? Immigration? etc. Not that these aren't important issues but both parties go out of their way not to discuss economic issues. I still agree with democrats more than republicans, but by and large they are remarkably similar on too many issues.

edit: changed "out of their way to" to "out of their way not to."

[–]DeathDevilize 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not quite, the creation of child porn is whats damaging society, not giving others access to it, at least compared to the harm done during its creation, especially when compared with the malicious use of guns.

[–]Duke_Newcombe -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please don't give our government any ideas.

[–]BinaryFormatter -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I didn't know a website could walk into a bar and shoot up 50+ ppl. I didn't know a webpage could accidentally discharge because someone hit the refresh button wrong.

[–]HoldenTite 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get you man.'

Stoned as well.

[–]SvenSvensen 24ポイント25ポイント  (23子コメント)

you want to allow terrorists to have guns

Oh for Chris's sake...

That has absolutely 100% nothing to do with guns. The people on the no-fly list are not terrorists. The list has had 9-year-old kids on it. It's a list with no oversight and no transparency. They could very well be drawing names out of a hat for all we know. If we're allowed to take away a persons rights, any rights, without due process then you are opening a very dangerous door that can never be closed.

If you don't believe me just ask the ACLU. They opposed those bills too.

[–]nsfwsten 42ポイント43ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fairly certain that is sarcasm.

[–]bartManSimpson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get out of here with your logical explanation

[–]Homebrewman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woosh!

[–]OldSly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who's Chris?

[–]servant-rider -1ポイント0ポイント  (16子コメント)

So the solution should be to prevent people on the list from buying guns -AND- make sure it has oversight and transparency.

[–]Darkeyescry22 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

One of those must come before the other. You shouldn't hand over your rights on the promise that the government is totes gonna be responsible about it this time.

Edit: should>shouldn't

[–]servant-rider 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not really, preferably they would simultaneously occur in the same bill.

[–]Darkeyescry22 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We won't know if the latter is actually being followed until it's too late. We won't have time to see the loopholes, the ineffectiveness, or the abuse. I'm not agreeing to the constitution being limited by an executive agency, unless they can prove due process.

[–]servant-rider [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well then good luck with the terrorists using nuclear bombs in your area, cause 2nd ammendment rights yo.

[–]Lionels_conscience 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

AND- make sure it has oversight and transparency.

that ship has sailed.

[–]SvenSvensen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The solution is to get rid of the list entirely. It's terrible from top to bottom and isn't helping.

[–]mclumber1 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

If you feel good with a liberal president like Obama or Hillary using the list to deny people their 2nd amendment rights, what do you think Donald Trump could do with the list?

[–]servant-rider -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hense the "oversight and transparency" part, for one.

Also, it's not denying anyone their second ammendment right and more than it's affecting someone's 14th Amendment right to free travel to and from the States.

Finally, I wouldn't trust Trump with any of the resources of POTUS, so not really a good comparisson.

[–]mclumber1 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

How is not denying someone their second amendment rights? If I were erroneously on the watch list, should the government prevent me from purchasing a gun?

[–]servant-rider -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because of oversight and transparency? If you were on the list erroneously you could bring them to court over it.

[–]mclumber1 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

So I have to prove my innocence? Is that how our legal system works?

[–]servant-rider 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, they would have to prove you need to be on the list.

[–]mclumber1 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ah, so I'll need to hire a lawyer to represent me, take time off of work, and do a bunch of other stuff that a law fucking abiding citizen should not have to do.

[–]ZachofFables [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As long as there is no due process for getting on the no fly list you will have that same problem.

[–]rt46gh20 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And I'm pretty sure both parties would like to lock me up for that too.

Trust me, they don't give a shit what any of us think.

[–]TrumpSanders2016 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the dems voted for decriminalization of marijuana.

[–]-Mountain-King- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2kzpk7/the_big_list_for_all_those_who_say_why_should_i/

[–]Mofeux 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh shit. People are carbon based life forms, so does that mean that carbon is people?

[–]MoldTheClay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking amen. I am tired of this identity politics horseshit.

[–]Was_going_2_say_that 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I started at $7.25 and hour on my first job. I was up to $12.50 before I quit for something better a few years later

[–]ieattime20 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Want healthcare? Sure, pay for it. Want make taxes fair for everyone? Sorry that's going to fuck up the economy. We're going to war. Must. Protect. Isreal! Carbon Taxes? Carbon has rights too you know. Did you say your family was deported? oh I'm so sorry to hear that. You can't afford college? How does $7.25 an hour sound? Environmental issues? Well, we you know have to take our time and really figure what has to be done.

Every single proposed healthcare plan from the two sides is vastly different. Neither one of them are extreme shifts from our current HC system. That doesn't mean they're "the same". HC is a huge conglomerate of systems that make up about 20% of our GDP. Even if we were to say that it's all bad and what we need is a single payer system (a belief I actually share), tossing it in the bin and starting over would have more impact than the housing crash by a lot. You want people out of jobs for a few months, destroying wealth and established infrastructure?

Taxes are a similar issue, further complicated by the fact that the only rational thing to do is to increase taxes, where doesn't matter, and if you increase taxes your constituency will revolt, even if they are liberal.

The Right dislikes carbon taxes because it would cost their donors a lot of hassle and some money (in the pockets of Oil/Carbon). The Left dislikes carbon taxes because there's not much proof they're effective. The market is extremely good at using tricks to keep the status quo, and at best carbon taxes (at the rates proposed by most economists) would slightly lower emissions and fuck over developing nations who don't have a leg to stand on. At worst it would be completely circumvented through some form of futures or securities by the largest industries that can bear the cost and destroy smaller innovators.

Israel, Obama has backed off severely from supporting Israel. He's one of the first presidents to openly criticize their policy. Sure it didn't fix anything, but what would fix it? We are terrible nation-builders and we are great at getting into military quagmire.

Democrats have supported, consistently, amnesty for illegal immigrants while the right have consistently opposed it. I literally don't know what you're talking about here.

College is... a mess. And none of the proposed solutions for either side would transition effectively. We have a lot to lose, even in our broken system; many countries have free or partially free colleges, but all of the colleges are worse.

As far as the environment, if you put carbon taxes aside, the Republicans have never ever ever supported an environmental issue since Nixon (oddly enough, he started the EPA), while the Democrats have consistently tried to push through stronger regulation, sometimes succeeding.

[–]thinkB4Uact 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Politics has always been the owners of the means of production vs the laborers. The sooner we see that, the sooner we'll break off formerly useful organizations that the owners have successfully corrupted for their own self-interests.

[–]i-rape-women -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

you really have a lot of faith in the government to fix every major and minor societal problem.

[–]Torgamous 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has faith in government to fix eight issues, four of which (unfair taxes, war, unconditional support of Israel, and deportation) exist at the government's sole discretion.

[–]Homebrewman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you miss what he was saying.

[–]louisg4 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the problem with all of that is... government. This nation needs a major shift from typical governmental practice. We need to shrink in size and spending. We need to optimize efficiencies. We need a fresh start that no current politician is capable of doing. We can't have highly paid politicians spending time trying to figure out the legality of who can use what bathroom. Policies need to be made while not focusing on exceptions. We need to have years of hard times as a nation and payoff this 20 trillion in debt our nation has.