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Should CBC be shut down? (self.canada)

bittercactus が 投稿

I am pretty libertarian leaning, and to me the CBC does not represent Canada. They are a far left, Trudeau loving, government shill network. I think they should have to compete like every other news network.

Does anyone else agree

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[–]adminbeastOntario 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

Doesn't flatter my assumptions about the world at every turn -> must be biased, kill it.

[–]jerrytitle -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's undeniable that the CBC is strongly leftist. Look at the content that they produce from their radio shows (I just spent a month trying to give The Current a chance and was shocked at how leftwing it was) to their websites to their fictional shows.

[–]radickulous 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

'Leftist' reminds me of Rush Limbaugh. I keep hearing right wingers moan about CBC bias, from their hours of content weekly, but they can't produce any real examples.

Did you know they have an ombudsman who looks into claims of bias?

[–]jerrytitle -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Leftist is a pretty common term to describe the left. I've certainly never listened to Rush Limbaugh except for when Jon Stewart mentioned him on the Daily Show.

Go and listen to a month of The Current like I just did. Pretend that you're a conservative or libertarian or really christian person. You'll be shocked at the leftist bias. The program repeats all the leftwing talking points as fact.

[–]radickulous 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll check it out. Do you have any specific episodes?

[–]jerrytitle 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The recent episodes about Donald Trump are pretty clearly biased towards the leftwing. As is an episode I think two or three weeks ago about transgenderism. And episodes about Islam (Islamophobia) or refugees/migrants are quite left biased and there are multiple episodes in the past month.

[–]radickulous 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks. I'll check them out. I'm not much of a radio guy, but I'm curious

[–]adminbeastOntario 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

okbb

[–]microfortnight 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

[–]84900t8 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm more of a fan of the radio than tv/web outlets. I suppose they may lean one way more, but all outlets offer a variety of perspectives. If you consider that the country is split about 70/30 left right, I'd expect about the same distribution of bias to be fair.

[–]WippitGuudPrince Edward Island 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Harper slashed their funding more times than I can remember, and was basically on the path to getting rid of them entirely.

And you're shocked they love Trudeau?

[–]TeamTrudeau -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not true. Harper cut the CBC's funding one time by 5%.

This at a time when media of all kinds (newspapers, radio, tv) were cutting to the bone and laying off people in droves.

It's laughable that the bloated CBC couldn't manage a simple 5% reduction in a expenditures.

[–]PhreakedCanuckOntario 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not true. Harper cut the CBC's funding one time by 5%.

Not true, he cut more than 11% total from 2008-2015

The 5% line comes from taking the increase from the 2008 budget and counting that against all the cuts made. He cut their budget 8/10 years he was in office not "5% one time".

[–]humansarehorses -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the problem though. We shouldn't be subsidizing a news organization that has a conflict of interest.

[–]TOMapleLaughs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am pretty libertarian leaning

No shit?

[–]TofuPlebian 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yah, instead of aspiring to meet or beat the quality of, say, the BBC or other national media, helping to project our nation upon the world, let’s just shut it down. That will really serve us well. /s

Seriously, how about funding them well and giving them a mandate to engage in hard journalism. That’s something that is nearly completely lacking in our news media, and something that we desperately need if we are to function as an informed democracy.

[–]radickulous 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't up vote this enough. We need deep, investigative journalism more than ever. Almost none of the for-profit outlets are doing anything of the sort

[–]abcriminal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't agree but I'm very much a liberal.

[–]Door2doorcalgary 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When people think their view is everyone's view

[–]TheDirtFarmerAlberta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

they can do the news but thats it. They suck at entertainment.

[–]Canadian_Banker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Globe and Mail is much better

[–]old_n_crankyCanada [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They have to be Trudeau loving. Who pays do you think pays them, and with the cuts Harper did that is why they hated on him. It has nothing to do with providing news its all about the money.

[–]CharlieMinimum 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep. I do.

Bias is fine, and expected. A variety of views leaves one well placed to decide for themselves.

The problem with CBC bias is I'm paying for it.

[–]radickulous 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Firstly, show the bias, secondly, the privates get subsidized out the ass

[–]Maui-Five-O 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yes they should. They're too biased, and they don't represent the voice of all Canadians. If they wish to exist, they should go it alone without the use of our tax dollars.

[–]84900t8 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've heard, watched and read plenty of right wing opinions on CBC. You ever listen to CBC radio? Watch the National? Rex Murphey? P&P? The 180? Conservatives used to bitch and moan about Terry Milewski. Have you seen anything he's had to say about the new government? He's just a straight up thorn in any governments side.

[–]Maui-Five-O 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I watch it.

It's not too bad now. But, during the election the CBC was so pro-Trudeau that he could have just used them, instead of paying for a campaign.

[–]84900t8 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

i did not witness that. As the campaign went on it became clear who was going to win, and it was historic from a media perspective. All news casts were the same on all networks. It was clear to all that Harper was toast. The entire country except AB SK was in agreement. People were not far from spitting on the ground and grinding it out with their heals at the mention of Harper and his government. If you live in AB, you have no idea how negative the sentiment out there was. To the extent that most people that voted NDP, myself included, are just fine with the outcome.

[–]Maui-Five-O -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not quite what I was referring to. I think that you're deflecting by saying that the CBC's election reporting was accurate, and I don't doubt that it was.

It's just that the CBC was left-leaning way before the election, which I guess should be expected... with JT promising more revenue for them.

[–]strips_of_serengeti 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Is it actually possible for one news outlet to represent all Canadians?

And why do they have to represent us? Shouldn't they just be reporting the news?

[–]Maui-Five-O -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

That have to represent us, because they are our country's public broadcaster. That's their reason for being.

[–]strips_of_serengeti 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can you be more specific? Outside of opinion pieces, their role should be to represent facts, not people. Are you saying this is not the case?

And representing to who? Ourselves? The world? The government?

[–]Maui-Five-O -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't think that you get it.

Or, that you want to get it.

[–]strips_of_serengeti 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Actually, I think you're just being intentionally vague because you have no real argument.

The represent all Canadians thing is just a false argument, because I don't think you can have a news source that maintains journalistic neutrality and also 'represent' someone.

[–]Maui-Five-O -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think that you're taking the very long way around to saying that you simply don't the opinion that the CBC isn't biased.

[–]strips_of_serengeti 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think CBC radio is very biased. CBC TV is pretty biased and liberal-leaning, and unfortunately is necessary to justify all the quality radio content that doesn't get listened to by the general public because it's too "boring". All news outlets are biased, whether they are funded by the government, corporations, or by ad revenue.

Bias is unavoidable, but some news outlets do tend to strive towards bias. Nobody likes that except for political extremists.

I'm not happy with CBC TV, if it were up to me they should shut that down and just focus on radio. But the reality is that the radio channels would probably be the first to go.

[–]business_bearOntario -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

They shouldn't be publically funded, turn them over to the private sector and see if people still care enough. If they fail, then they fail but it saves us some money.

[–]radickulous 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Having worked with both private broadcasters and the CBC, this is the worst idea. Privates are chop-shops and with the decline of for-profit journalism in Canada, we need the CBC more than ever

[–]bittercactus[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no issue with private donations. I think that should be encouraged. But the fact I pay for CBC with my tax dollars, then pay for them to advertise their network, it just makes no sense.

[–]bittercactus[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't understand why my tax dollars are funding a far left wing media that does not represent anyone in my province (Alberta).

[–]84900t8 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well there's always The 180 and Alberta at noon. Also, you have plenty of left wing people in Alberta, so even if it was completly biased, it would be representing those people...

[–]radickulous 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The CBC isn't anywhere near far-left. Feel free to prove me wrong with any examples from their hours upon of hours of broadcasting and multiple stories this week

[–]patentlyfakeid 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this is sort of like how we refer to canada. Ontario says 'eastern canada', and they mean the maritimes. Alberta says it, and they mean from Ontario on over.

Likewise, when a conservative talks about 'the left', they actually mean everything left of them. Meanwhile, the liberals actually represent middle ground and get no love at all from real 'lefties'.

[–]bittercactus[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Remember, the reason most monopolies exist is because of government enforcement. If we want better media, we need to let different media outlets compete. How is an average Joe like me supposed to get a billion dollars in funding so people can hear my point of view? The CBC has a huge advantage over other networks.

They do not need to shut down, they just need to compete.

[–]CodeMonkeyMayhem 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Remember, the reason most monopolies exist is because of government enforcement. If we want better media, we need to let different media outlets compete.

I'm going start by being blunt in saying: What rock have you been living under to believe that the CBC is a monopoly?!

Bell Media and Corus are the new Monopoly. All of the most watch programming is owned by them, The Top 30 for June 6th-12th is 90% Global or CTV.

How is an average Joe like me supposed to get a billion dollars in funding so people can hear my point of view? The CBC has a huge advantage over other networks.

A billion doesn't buy a lot. Bell Media spend half a billion on licencing fees for U.S. programming alone, and remember that billion is suppose to cover Television, Radio and their Web Site. And they still need to sell advertisements on Television and Internet to make up the rest of their operating cost.

The CBC doesn't have an "huge advantage" over the other networks. The other networks have the huge advantage.

[–]bittercactus[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not a voluntary transaction. In a free society they would receive revenue based on the quality of their product or service.

[–]CodeMonkeyMayhem 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a voluntary transaction. In a free society they would receive revenue based on the quality of their product or service.

It's not really how broadcast television works. The receive revenue is based on market share. The higher the share, the higher the rate they can charge advertisers. As a result we have a oligopoly, few players who make up a larger share who also can shutout competition as a result.

[–]dittomuchOutside Canada -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and their Web Site

NO!

Their mandate does not in any way shape or form cover the website it covers radio and it covers tv but does not cover print media or website.

[–]YongeArcade -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes , other than the comedy classic music and the weather the CBC is completely useless to any thinking person .

The CBC news is some SJW/ Liberal propaganda outlet spinning its false narrative rather than report any actual news.

Example was the Brexit vote -- watched it on /r/Europe and BBC and saw the vote live. the Leave vote lead by 1/2 million votes for 4 hours . The CBC blog and website had nothing a few post of London and Scotland and a whole bunch of famous people tooting the Stay side.

Some one should tell them they are to report the news not create the false news that supports their political view point

Garbage should just shut it all down but the radio comedy