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[–]welbzy 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

How about that referendum?

[–]play365123Jose Mourinho 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

may i know why UK people wanted to be out of EU? what's the thing that sparked the need to leave?

[–]wl205bKagawa 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's all over the political spectrum tbh. The two main centre right/centre left parties both campaigned to remain.

  • Group 1: Small minority of xenophobes who don't like foreigners

  • Group 2: Far left. They've been anti-EU since the 70s. Europe has traditionally been a centrist/centre right position.

  • Group 3: Commonwealth/Non-EU voters & friends. Non-EU migration is impossible unless you make 35k, requirements become increasingly difficult because UK can't control EU migration.

  • Group 4: Related to Group 3. Normal people worried that there is 0 ability to control the flow of migrants into the country because of free movement law.

  • Group 5: Low skill/wage workers. Flood of low skill EU migrants have undercut the market and caused massive oversupply. You can have 500 applicants for a shitty minimum wage job.

  • Group 6: Businesses, especially the ones who trade outside the EU. No longer have to comply with expensive EU regulation.

  • Group 7: Constitutionalists. Preserve the sanctity of parliamentary sovereignty above all else.

  • Group 8: Eurosceptics. Massive distrust of the very corrupt, technocratic, unaccountable, undemocratic EU institutions. Don't believe reform from within is possible. See the EU hurtling towards a federal structure and want to pull out before they're sucked in.

[–]enigmaticalize 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still can't believe the result.

[–]wl205bKagawa 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Most of my family & friends are from the commonwealth.

Everyone is delighted.

LEAVE = Easier + More non-EU immigration.

My dad is a constitutional law academic, he's also delighted but nobody else besides him seems to give a shit about bipartisan constitutional issues

[–]spoofexKing Cantona -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Non-EU immigration will not get easier. If anything, it'll get harder as the non-eu and EU applications go into one pot now and drown each other out.

No idea why you think Farage would want easier immigration for countries with brown skin tones.

[–]wl205bKagawa 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

non-eu and EU applications go into one pot

That's what we want.

Farage would want easier immigration for countries with brown skin tones.

He's been campaigning for it in every single speech and manifesto without fail for the last 5 years. I've spoken to him personally about it.

Non-EU immigration will not get easier.

It almost certainly will. There's absolutely no scenario in which it doesn't get easier.

(1) You have to accept the premise that there is too much immigration right now. This is fairly non-controversial.

(2) You cannot control the number of EU migrants.

(3) You cannot quality control EU migrants. All low skill workers can come in freely.

(4) The more EU migrants that come in, the fewer overall spots left.

(5) To control overall migration, non-EU migration is made harder (minimum 35k earning threshold for Tier 2 visa) and number of visas available to non-EU migration slashed (Tier 5 visas were reduced by 80%)

(6) When everyone is in the same pot, non-EU migrants jump ahead of all the low skilled EU migrants in the queue. Requirements are eased up again.

This is a fair system. Nobody from France/Romania gets priority over someone from Australia/India. Everyone competes equally and fairly under the same criteria.

[–]Pigeon_AssholeGerrard = 0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone from Northern Ireland, I'm pretty scared. We are going to be forgotten about very quickly. Time to go get an Irish Passport

[–]imsowitty21 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's the best and cheapest way to get from Crawley to Manchester?

[–]BloodyMess111 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best and cheapest? Walk. If you already own a bike, cycle.

Edit: hitch hike

[–]ballsywallsyBerbalove[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure about the cheapest but you can find train rides for about £25 or car share for £20. It's about a 4 hour ride either way.

[–]ballsywallsyBerbalove[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I genuinely didn't believe that we'd actually leave EU.

It's fucking terrifying not knowing what's going to happen now.

If anyone else needs to get their mind off this entire debacle, here's something to chuckle about.

[–]yuma712I’m gonna go on the piss with Georgie Best 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

People voting based on emotion and impulse. Absolute lunacy. Fear the US is next with Trump.

E: apparently UK got screwed by voters aged 50+. Pretty sad tbh.

[–]YoungPappy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's always the old fuckers. The sooner they all die the better.

[–]sickest_000 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man, UK voting out, the rise of Trump and other nationalist government all around the globe. Times are changing.

[–]red_devilforeverMemphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The UK voting out has pretty much made me sure that Trump will win the election. There are way too many people with right-wing beliefs and it was proven by this vote. Losing faith by the day.

[–]quimbies_in_camo_PJs 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Orlando Magic are such a disappointing team to support, so poorly run and with no hope for the future

[–]11men1cupMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Arguably the worst trade ever trading Oladipo

[–]spoofexKing Cantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try being a Calgary Flames fan...

[–]11men1cupMartial 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am having the greatest kebab i've ever had right now

[–]YoungPappy 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fucking England man.

[–]BloodyMess111 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Britain.

[–]exxpiredDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tbf his point is valid. Most votes to leave came from England.

[–]BloodyMess111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point.

Although Wales was very pro-leave as well.

[–]FlyingSnoopyPaul Scholes, he scores goals! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This may be controversial but people shouldn't be allowed to vote directly on such a big matter as the exit from EU. Too much emotion and little thinking.

[–]is-an-antRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

we just witnessed history.. holy shit!!

[–]TheReplacerUnited We Stand 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Could anybody in the UK/Europe tell me what happens now?

[–]spoofexKing Cantona 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The honest answer is; we have no idea.

[–]ri0t333Januzaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's really hard to predict what will happen. There has already been some effect on the economy with the GBP value dropping. I think it was forecasted for maybe around 5% drop in GDP as well.

Didn't think England would leave, but I wonder if this sets precedent for other countries to possibly leave as well.

[–]imsowitty21 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The weather, assumptions from people thinking weren't crazy enough to leave and poor campaigning are the reasons why we're out of the EU

[–]LeGoalieHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can someone tell me what's going to happen with Scotland since they very much wanted to stay in the EU?

I heard one news station suggest this vote could split Scotland from Great Britain.

[–]ScotsmaniaHorny 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The SNP will now push for another referendum to leave the UK and there are strong noises coming out of Northern Ireland at the moment too. A second Scotland referendum would probably end up seeing us leave the UK.

It's not too far fetched to think that Great Britain could soon consist of just Wales and England.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You say they wanted in, yet over 1 million voted leave. That's either a tactical vote to push another independence referendum, or they were sorely misread.

[–]ScotsmaniaHorny 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure why 1m voting to leave matters when 67.2% 62% (doh, was looking at the turnout percentage) of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, it's not like it was close.

Piss poor turn out, not surprised though as the polling station was empty when i voted yesterday.

[–]WizardsAndDucksTony Martial 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just got tickets for the Copa final on Sunday, cost me a shit ton but I think it'll be worth it to see the greatest player of all time playing his heart out. They're even close up on the right wing so hopefully I'll get to see him pull some magic off.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get pictures. Hope it's a belter. I think Argentina may finally get that trophy for Messi.

[–]YourTypicalSaudiAnder Hererra 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not sure about the exit of England from the EU. I hope United wouldn't be affected negatively by this.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We won't know for years how it'll impact the game/United.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Non-Referendum chat thread here then, because I'm too tired and angry to talk about it any more;

Who here has played any VR games, and what do you recommend now I've got time to try my Vive this weekend?

Also, if anyone hasn't played it, Quantum Break a good game if you can pick it up for less than £20.

[–]mattmanutdKeane 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know I'm on the out side of this but I just think this over-nationalist backlash trend is both dumb and troubling. I know there are some serious issues, but we are seeing this trend all over the place. This is one example, another one is Donald Trumps huge rise in popularity based on similar "nationalist" sentiment, as well as the rise of fascist movements throughout Europe. Closing yourself off when there are issues isn't the answer, it's just another way of running away from your problems.

Interesting Trend

(Note I posted this in another thread, but I saw this pop up and thought it might be better here)

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Scary that people will prioritise being racist ahead of their own self interest.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yet not surprising considering the hero worship Farage gets, and the BNP used to get.