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The Paper Mario Scene in Context (self.GamerGhazi)

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[–]thedzthat happened -38ポイント-37ポイント  (18子コメント)

I mean, I just don't see how it relates to gamer gate in anyway unless you just look only at the screenshots she uses and you have been up to date with gamergate which I think is asking a bit much for a localizer to keep tabs on

GamerGate was one of the biggest controversies in video gaming in 2014 and 2015, covered by a majority of mainstream media outlets, and heavily involved with overarching themes of harassment online and in video games that have gained notoriety in the last couple of years (which, itself, has been covered by outlets like Colbert and John Oliver and a fucking Law and Order: SVU episode)

I think "oh I didn't know GamerGate was a thing" doesn't fly anymore when talking about major game studios/devs. Claiming ignorance of that entire ordeal is borderline negligence at this point for any major developer that holds itself as an ethically responsible entity, IMO.

I think, in 2016, given all that has happened in 2014 and 2015, a -gate reference in a video game (and also reference career ruining and exposing things) is going to be associated with gamergate by many people. Rightly or wrongly, that's the association some will make, and Nintendo probably should have made that connection themselves when writing that joke.

At the end of the day, the localization team (which IIRC is in-house to Nintendo, and not some arbitrarily contracted out third party entity) didn't have to user a Watergate or whatever -gate joke. And they probably shouldn't have. It's tone deaf given the history of gaming over the past couple of years.

I doubt it was malicious. But it was ill-placed, especially given the history and context of gaming, and warrants criticism.

[–]Sarc_Master 53ポイント54ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think you're definately overestimating the scope of GG and the gaming culture war. Most other gamers I know, don't know about it and when I've brought it up largely don't care.

[–]Admiralbiatch2 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

Correction, people know about gamergate and the harrassment, but many don't know past that. For example, the "Five Guys" joke that gamergators tossed around would only be known if you were knee deep in Gamergate culture knowledge. To everyone else, the first thing they'd think if they heard "Five Guys" is the burger franchise (I know I did for a long time). As I mentioned before, the reason "Five Fun Guys" is used is obviously a way of rhyming and making a "fungi" joke. Even if you still insist it's a "Five Guys" reference, ask this, is there any other indication aside from that phrase? Those five toads don't proceed to do something to a Zoe Quinn caricature, ask for better reviews for their game, or make any kind of reference to that episode, they just play hide-and-seek and make funny comments, that's it. Lastly, about the -gate joke, Watergate is a bigger part of our culture than GamerGate will ever be which is why -gate will always reference Watergate. Also, the -gate suffix has become part of our media language whether we want it to or not, so I disagree with you that games can never use it for humor or otherwise again. GamerGate is just one controversy in a sea of them that has used -gate as a suffix and there will be more -gates in the future as long as we keep using the term. Personally I think we should dump the suffix altogether since I think it's not creative, but never because the gators have it in their title. At this rate, I expect a controversy due to somebody in a game saying "the gators were right!" even if they're talking about alligators who say nothing about gamergate.

[–]piwikiwi⚔Headcanons are very useful in ship-to-ship combat⚔ 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have been here for almost 2 years now(I think) and I don't know the fives guys thing you are talking about:')

[–]Admiralbiatch2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then Gamergate is losing its influence :P

[–]BZenMojo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

. #AlisonRapp

Because so mamy people here seem to think Nintendo is oblivious to GG.

I'm sorry, but once we start wading into the ignorance defense for a company that fired an employee over this, you're just covering for them. Unless we're supposed to believe that Nintendo has some unsung history of intense gender sensitivity to serve as a counterexample.

I mean... it's Nintendo, people. Your downvotes don't change who they are as a business even if you can't handle it.

[–]imnotpaulrudd 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

I disagree completely if you ask anyone on the street what shufflegate is a reference to then 99% of people will be talking about watergate, everyone knows about watergate. GG was a big deal to a very small number of people, even most people who play games don't know or care about it.

[–]thedzthat happened -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

AGAIN, I specifically called out major game devs and publishers, NOT people on the street

[–]menandskyla -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

given the arguments and votes in this sub I can't tell if we're in Ghazi or KIA. the fuck.

[–]thedzthat happened -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a weird breakdown of normally reasonable people who can't seem to grasp that a joke can be about Watergate while also unintentionally referencing Gamergate due to the context (and medium) of the joke.

I don't know if Nintendo is a particular sore point or what.

There's also a lot of people who seem eager to downplay the spread of GamerGate. I don't doubt that a majority of folks haven't heard about it (even perhaps among devs). But I think it's silly to excuse major devs/publishers from being unaware. GamerGate was one of the biggest storms in gaming for a good year and a half, and still lives on in the incredible amount of flak any article about diversity or sexism in gaming gets. It affected a great number of people, and I think its reasonable to expect a big gaming company like Nintendo to think twice before making that joke.

In summary: I think Nintendo goofed, almost certainly without intention or malice. Zoe Quinn (understandably) maybe freaked a bit, given her history and constant bombardment she gets. Folks look looked at the full video, criticized the goof for what it was. And then, the internet happened.

[–]dreffen 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

GamerGate was one of the biggest controversies in video gaming in 2014 and 2015

You're right. But Watergate was one of the biggest controversies (or hey, let's soft pedal that and say top 10) in the past 40 years.

[–]thedzthat happened -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's completely irrelevant to the point. You realize they can BOTH be associated, right? Even if one is unintentional