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[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (48子コメント)

As a inner city person of color... This is truly great news to hear. I could almost cry right now from the appreciation. And to think how badly this ruling could have gone if Scalia was still alive. Now I hope we can shape these programs to be more efficient in the long run. This is really great news. :'(

[–]iamsmilebot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

:')

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[–]Newtwo88 [スコア非表示]  (41子コメント)

As an Asian who has to score a whole grade point higher (more than that in most cases) than you let me just say this.

Fuck you. Affirmative action is racist. Just because the color of your skin is black shouldn't mean you are getting into a school over other more qualified people.

You should have to compete just like the rest of us.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Dude. I'm an Asian American who didn't get into Stanford because at the time they employed AA practices that screwed me and let in my white friends with worse numbers.

But you're missing the point. AA is about, in part, creating a strong middle class for each minority group in this country. We're much closer to having that than black communities or latino communities.

And as an fyi, the people taking your spot are white, not black, from a statistical standpoint.

[–]soxandpatriots1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But you're missing the point. AA is about, in part, creating a strong middle class for each minority group in this country. We're much closer to having that than black communities or latino communities.

So true. I am not crazy about affirmative action programs, but it's undeniable that black people have had to overcome extreme and institutionalized barriers that have made it difficult for them to succeed. For so long, the playing field has been so uneven, and even with recent improvements, not everyone is magically on equal footing.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

he's not asian. he's a fake troll. in another thread he said he was a mexican for trump then quickly deleted it when we all caught on.

[–]fauxgnaws [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But you're missing the point. AA is about, in part, creating a strong middle class for each minority group in this country. We're much closer to having that than black communities or latino communities.

The point is that you can do this without racism. Use a means test and when there are huge numbers of poor blacks, then they disproportionately benefit. Add in "single-family home" and other tests like these and you can boost it to target blacks even more -- without being based on race, without being racist.

And at the same time, the children of rich doctors and lawyers and scientists don't get an extra benefit because they happen to be a certain race.

Any affirmative action policy should be self-regulating like that. We shouldn't have policies that have to be monitored for the point when they stop being more anti-racist than they are racist.

[–]BigDickRichie [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Statistically speaking the white kids are the ones taking your spots.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

They could eradicate affirmative action and it still wouldn't remove his Asian last name from an admissions application.

Edit: turns out the user is a huge troll and also claimed to be a Mexican for Trump in another thread.

[–]BigDickRichie [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Misguided people.

It makes no sense when you think about the basic fact that no top school is overflowing with black students.

Asians know they test better than whites yet are underrepresented in med school classes but yet they get made at the one or two black students.

That's just Asians not paying attention to reality.

This whole idea that "that black kid took my spot" is absurd.

For decades Asians admissions have been systematically capped at every major university in this country.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I bet these anti-affirmative action people aren't as passionately anti-nepotism. I see the people at the top only hiring their colleagues friends and family. Can we have this much passion against this? And what about legacy kids that get into schools because their parents donated a bucket ton of money to that university? Nope, I don't see this on the news at all.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Seriously, fuck legacy policies. Those are the real people "stealing" "your" spot at Stanford.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And JOBS. My current corporation, there are so many people with the same last names (sons, daughters of top employees getting hired). All the interns are some executive's family member. And they all get paid more than others who weren't the family of someone here already. The lack of shame behind it is sickening.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It's understandable to be mad you didn't get into a college because of past injustices you had no part in. It sucks and it's frustrating. It is really hard for people personally affected by AA to think about the common good over their own selfish interests in college attendance.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I guess it's just crystal clear to me having lived through it every single day of my life vs. someone who has never been exposed. Some people have never even had a conversation with a none-white person, so how would they even begin to fully understand the intricacies of these issues?

[–]satosaison [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I just assume most of those people are neck-bearded angry white trolls, like all of the fake "gays for trump" Twitter users.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You were right. The user isn't even Asian. In another post he said he was a Mexican for Trump.

[–]satosaison [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol. Called it. And he is all over this thread.

[–]gassygooselover [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You write like that, and you're surprised when people who disagree don't want to say they're white? Lol

[–]satosaison [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

...if you read elsewhere in the thread, it turns out just yesterday the dude was claiming to be a "Mexican for trump." So, I was right...

[–]flutterfly28 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No - it should be true, but it's not.

Affirmative action allows colleges to get away with whatever they please under the guise of "holistic" applications. They disproportionally take spots from Asians because they think no one notices - Asians are a small percentage of the nation's population, so no one expects them to be more than a small percentage of the students. They can get away with it, so they do.

Is Harvard Unfair to Asian-Americans?

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Fuck you.

Wow. The way Asians are treated is a separate issue which I am fully aware and strongly support being remedied. Wait. Do you think it's students of color intentionally trying to put Asians down in application pools? How about we help each other out instead of knocking each other down with "fuck you's".

Statistically speaking the white kids are the ones taking your spots.

Please re-direct your anger away from me, thanks. We've both been fucked over in different ways. If you must take out our anger at a certain demographic, then you're taking it out on the wrong one.

[–]angrae [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Most of those comments have been deleted/collapsed.

[–]angrae [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Looks like he deleted his comment. He was claiming he was a legal Mexican American voting for Trump.

It's clear he's just a white neck beard.

[–]Newtwo88 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Maybe you should think about and care who you are affecting with this decision.

Why are Asians the highest income earners in this country when most of them came here in the last 50 years?

Because they worked their fucking assess off, were not given anything, and tried to provide the best for their kids.

But it's not like I would expect a black person to understand that.

[–]soxandpatriots1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

But it's not like I would expect a black person to understand that.

Lol, there we go.

[–]wtfbirds [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol, /u/Newtwo88 sounds like a white guy pretending to be Asian who has also apparently pretended to be Mexican.

Whatever works today I guess.

[–]angrae [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Asian Americans working their asses off is not relevant to the oppression that black Americans have gone through and still go through.

[–]Thataintnothing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Whoa dude. Stop trying to impede on my safe space.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Please rage harder

I'm a white guy who had perfect grades and missed one question on the SAT. I still got bounced from Stanford, Harvard and all the other privates. I only got admitted into public schools expressly barred by law from considering race in admissions. I have every right to be as pissed as you are.

But I'm not, because ultimately what college you go to doesn't have that much of an effect on the life you end up living. It really doesn't. It all comes down to what you do in college. A 3.8 at UC Berkeley is worth much more than a 3.0 at Stanford to an employer.

[–]general_nuisance [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Why? Every accomplishment you ever have, people will assume you were just handed it.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I understand that. Hence why I want the process to be more efficient and also more inclusive of also poor kids (regardless of background) as well. EOP in NY had all sorts of ethnic backgrounds from white to black. What we had in common was that we all came from underprivileged backgrounds. Ideally, I'd like the process to start much younger to help us get the grades we need to get into the schools and to dismantle nepotism in the workplace/legacy kids admissions to free up those "VIP" spots.

[–]general_nuisance [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Then eliminate race from the equation. Make admission merit based with adjustments for income backgrounds.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not just yet. Not for another 2 generations, at least. This country has done hundreds of years of damage that needs at least some repair. It's hard to fully understand these effects unless you've lived through it every single day of your life.

I am not crazy about affirmative action programs, but it's undeniable that black people have had to overcome extreme and institutionalized barriers that have made it difficult for them to succeed. For so long, the playing field has been so uneven, and even with recent improvements, not everyone is magically on equal footing.

[–]xdre [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why? Every accomplishment you ever have, people will assume you were just handed it.

Frankly, why should OP care what racists think about his/her accomplishments?