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[–]Lokismoke [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Just a tidbit.

This ruling upholds consideration of race as a factor in admission. E.g., all things being the same between two applicants, the minority will get priority.

This does not uphold racial quotas, which the Supreme Court has already ruled are unconstitutional.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, this is ultimately a narrow ruling given that UT has a very specific policy that ensures diversity already. The door is still wide open for another attack on Affirmative Action.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think so. The Texas policy is really similar to the policy that the University of Michigan had in Grutter v Bollinger back in 2003. So long as school's continue to use that policy, they road to an attack on AA is really narrow.

[–]VenomousFeminist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In fact the disallowance of quotas was used in the University's favor. Since they can't set a quota for racial diversity, it can't be argued that they should have said that the Top Ten Percent Plan gave them "enough" diversity and left it at that.

[–]TheYetiCaptain1993 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh look, someone read the slip opinion before getting hot and bothered...

[–]BigDickRichie [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

This is something to think about for people who think that voting for a candidate just because of the Supreme Court vacancy doesn't matter.

Supreme Court appointments are huge!

[–]A_Crabby_Patty [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

I wonder how Obama's appointee would have voted.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Without a doubt in favor of affirmative action. This would have been 5-3 with her present.

[–]JebsPocketTurtle [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Disgusting.

[–]TheYetiCaptain1993 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What specifically about the ruling do you disagree with? Or, more importantly, have you actually read the slip opinion?

[–]flutterfly28 [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

Asian-Americans have a better case than Abigail Fischer. Let's get that one rolling.

[–]angrae [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

This right here is true. It's interesting to see affirmative action negatively affecting a minority community. I'm glad it helps support black Americans, but we need to address how it affects Asian Americans.

[–]Will_Parent [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Or we could just follow a radical idea of letting the most qualified students in regardless of their race.

[–]wtfbirds [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

UT probably gets 2x as many qualified students as they have places for. How do you suggest they decide who to let in? GPAs are going to vary considerably by local standards. Do you really trust the SAT enough to make that the only criterion?

[–]angrae [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

That doesn't work. It's been a single generation since Jim Crow- where schools were separated and education for black students was terrible. We need to raise these people up by making sure they get proper educations.

[–]satosaison [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Affirmative action is a necessary corrective act to compensate for hundreds of years of legal discrimination against blacks, while we are 150 years removed from slavery, we are only a generation or so removed from a time where legal state sponsored segregation was permissible, and we know that, even through present, discrimination by states and private individuals against minorities is pervasive. Absent some corrective measures, the Fourteenth Amendment's guarantee of equal protection is meaningless, since minorities will live at a permanent disadvantage due to our prior discrimination. Actions like these help ensure equal opportunity.

[–]russian-icemilk [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Actually, it isn't and it doesn't. The necessary "action" is to improve schools so that "AA"/"black" students can compete with others when it comes to college admissions instead of being "token" admits that struggle through college.

Minority groups have higher rates of poverty, and poverty is associated with poor outcomes in education. Affirmative action is 15 years too late to help. All it does it eliminate guilt by allowing a small number of minorities to join the party.

[–]Hoboken_Snob [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

What happens to disadvantaged white kids? They're also losers here.

[–]Nrussg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Most schools w/ AA programs have similar programs based on one's economic situation as well. (They don't get challenged in court.) In fact, it's generally more of a holistic rubric that factors in all these aspects.

[–]carlclashfan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They really aren't, in this case. Texas has a pretty convoluted system that takes race into account pretty far along into their analysis of an applicant. If you're a poor white kid at the top of his class, you can go anywhere you want. If you're outside that % of auto acceptance, your circumstances get taken into account. Not sure what the issue is here.

[–]angrae [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a disadvantaged (mostly) white kid and I got into a private college because I worked hard to get here. I feel that struggle. But economic status of white people is a very different conversation than affirmative action.

We need to make education easier to attain for all people. I 100% agree with that.

[–]sheshesheila [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Texas' system of admitting the top x% from all high schools does help all disadvantaged to an extent since school districts are usually divided along race and class lines.

[–]a496h8 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What happens to disadvantaged white kids? They're also losers here.

Just look at most of the replies in this thread. It's apparently okay to discriminate against them because reasons.

[–]lolnopound [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I'm glad it helps support black Americans

This is only possible by punishing people for not being black

[–]OninWar_ [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

...No?

[–]lolnopound [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

How do you think affirmative action works?

[–]Operatingfairydust [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I believe the more appropriate question is how do you believe AA works? How do you believe college admissions works in general? What other criteria are considered and how do they effect the process?

[–]lolnopound [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I believe the more appropriate question is how do you believe AA works?

That since there are limited spots for students, the only way to help black students is by hurting students for not being black. Which is illegal.

[–]adi4 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just ask any Asian American how much harder it is for them to get in. I guess it's worth it to soothe society's guilty conscience?

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

This is a case where Scalia's death really mattered. Wow.

[–]satosaison [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Not really Ok kinda, the decision was 4-3 and the Opinion of the Appellate Court was affirmed. If Scalia had been on the bench, the 4-4 Opinion would have left in place the decision of the lower court, so we would have the same practical outcome.

Also, in regards to precedential value as far as states and universities considering the constitutionality going forward, we know the votes is reaaaallly 5-3. Kagan had to recuse herself in this case because of her prior work as solicitor general in connection with the case, but if an identical case were to come back up now, she would surely vote for affirmative action.

Edit - a little bit.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The difference is that this is now binding law nationwide as opposed to just in the 5th circuit. Scalia's death changed the scope of how far Fisher reached (and given that most experts expected Fisher to be the end of AA, who knows how he would have been able to influence the other members of the bench).

This is a huge deal.

[–]Chronic_Apathy1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Eh, not really. This is essentially just a vote for the status quo, so there would have only been far-reaching implications if the lower court's ruling had been to strike down affirmative action. Technically only the 5th circuit would have had the most "updated" version of an upholding of affirmative action, but the actual applications of that are the same. Kennedy being the swing vote, it's unlikely that Scalia's death made an impact here.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The problem is that the status quo was being challenged all over the country. Now we know that challenge is done.

[–]Maddoktor2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

...we would have the same practical outcome.

Wrong - a tied vote means that the lower court's decision stands and only affects that one single case - this vote affects all cases of this nature nationwide because it sets precedent and is now the "law of the land".

[–]lolpoliticsthrowaway [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Actually, it kind of didn't. The vote was 4-3, with Kagan recusing herself. Had Scalia been alive, then presumably we would have had a tie, and the ruling from the lower court would have been upheld, meaning Fisher still would have lost.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

But the reach of the case changes. Every other circuit would have had the latitude to overturn AA in their jurisdictions.

Now we have binding Supreme Court precedent. This is still big.

[–]lolpoliticsthrowaway [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I'm not saying it's nothing. I think most people would read between the lines and realize what it means. While the court was still composed the way it was, you'd be foolish to make the challenge. At that point the only reason for the tie would be Kagan's personal involvement, the moment a case comes up without it, the scale tips right back to 5-4. You're right that it isn't binding in the traditional sense, but the message is fairly clear.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The thing is - in the SCOTUS opinion 2 years ago, Kennedy signalled really hard that he was in favor of abolishing affirmative action. In fact, he'd been signalling that for a while, which is why Fisher was brought in the first place. With a living Scalia and Kennedy going the way Kennedy was indicating he was going to go, this is 5-4 the other direction.

Two things happened that made this an essentially 5-3 ruling - Kennedy switched for some reason and Scalia died.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The Kennedy switching here is interesting. Over the last 10-15 years he has really become more libertarian in terms of his views, which is why it was fairly obvious he would support gay marriage last year in Obergefell. I'll be interested to read his opinion on this.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its a disaster of undisciplined jurisprudence, as is every Kennedy opinion ever.

[–]Nrussg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's way more about message though, this is actually binding on other judges outside the circuit. With a 4-4 split you could have had a later circuit split that led to a future SCOTUS case, possibly when the court has a different composition.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

We already did and still do have binding precedent. Grutter v. Bollinger, 2003.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Grutter had an expiration date and was much more open to challenges.

Double confirmation here makes this really powerful.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The expiration date is still 12 years from now. This hardly creates ironclad precedent either, considering the caveat at the end of the opinion that steps must be taken to ensure fairness in addition to the fact that UT ensures diversity through a specific program that governs the vast majority of admits. There is still a clear avenue for a challenge to a purely holistic admissions policy.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Its narrowed though. You're right that the expiration date is in the future, but Grutter made challenges a lot easier by not setting forth any requirements at all.

Now school's have a requirement - continuously assess your policy, and there is no path forward.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's my impression that the Grutter clock is still ticking. You are right though that we probably won't see another major college admissions case until 2028.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do we know if its still ticking? This seems to kind of bite away at that clock, right?

[–]Nrussg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yea but it wouldn't have been binding outside the 5th circuit. Having and actual 4-3 decision in this makes the outcome more important nationally.

[–]teddytwelvetoes [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

The man who thought "blacks" should attend "slower" colleges? Looks like we're making progress.

[–]A_Crabby_Patty [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

That's not what he said...

[–]teddytwelvetoes [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

There are those who contend that it does not benefit African Americans to get them into the University of Texas, where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a slower-track school where they do well

I love the "there are those who contend", as if that would convince folks that Scalia himself totally didn't feel this way and was randomly bringing up this nutjob claim for no reason whatsoever.

[–]mensol_zero [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What makes this a nutjob claim. It seems obvious to me that if you admit certain categories of students due to reasons unrelated with their actual academic ability, they would do worse than the other students.

[–]teddytwelvetoes [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

if you admit certain categories of students due to reasons unrelated with their actual academic ability

This is exactly what prompted affirmative action. Context is important. AA wasn't some random, unprovoked attack on my fellow white folks.

[–]mensol_zero [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you mean that these institutions are biased to favor whites in the absence of affirmative action? If so then I mostly agree with that, but a better solution would just be completely race and name-blind admissions.

[–]Its_all_over_16 [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

Lets see if reddit's demographics hold true in this thread. I'm betting the majority of opinions here are going to be against Affirmative Action. Why? Well lets just say Reddit's user base isn't as diverse as they claim to be.

[–]russian-icemilk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Affirmative action isn't about diversity. It is the illusion of diversity. It is based in racist ideology that some racists are too stupid to meet higher standards and that racists are inherently different, so adding races makes anything more diverse.

If diversity was actually valued, then asshole democrats would call for education reform that put hispanic and AA/black students on the same footing as white and Asian students. They don't though. They want to keep everything the same while pretending that token admits repair the damage caused by structurally unsound education and criminal justice systems.

[–]A_Crabby_Patty [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Does it really surprise you that people would be upset about a policy that negatively affects them based on their skin color and not the content of their character and academic makeup?

[–]surroundedbywolves [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Positive discrimination will surely save us from discrimination. What we need is to discriminate the right people. (/s)

[–]belisaurius [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What we need to do is redress the already extant discrimination inherent in the system by countering it with laws. That's the point. We're not starting from an equal playing field and artificially handicapping white people; we're starting from a completely uneven playing field and doing our best to make it even for all people.

[–]Its_all_over_16 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'll bite--The older I get the more I start to think that this isn't enough to solve the problems of racial inequality in this country. Really I am starting to think that with the disproportionate number of blacks going to jail, in poverty, or the divide in education, I think reparations really might be the only cure to the anathema on the American society.

I just haven't read or seen a system that would work, or properly bring those numbers up/down int the proper way. But I'll eat my downvotes for saying reparations. Bring it on.

[–]Somerandomguywithstu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who do you give money to? How much money do you give them? Do you have to prove slavery existed in your past? Should we give women reparations? Jews? Catholics?

What about black people that migrated here and did not suffer under slavery, but still discrimination in the South? What about those that went to the North? Do we pay reparations to wealthy black families? Does every member of the family get equal reparation or would older people get more?

[–]general_nuisance [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Affirmative action is legal racism.

[–]lolnopound [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I'm betting the majority of opinions here are going to be against Affirmative Action. Why?

Because we don't believe in punishing people for their race?

[–]Hoboken_Snob [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

No one ever claims that Reddit's base is diverse. It's said constantly , and accurately, that Reddit is white, young, and male. And is it surprising that a law that marginalizes young white males is disliked here?

[–]Its_all_over_16 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Haha that's not true at all. I'll tie this into the current political campaign. HRC's weakest group is young white men. But when you remind users on this site that the majority of users here are probably made up of her weakest group suddenly that's not a thing that matters. Like when Bernie went to the South and got routed. Or when he was losing the black vote by over 60 points.

People on here don't want to accept that truth. This is a site that upvotes and downvotes in accordance with how young white men think. It's not intentional. I'll give you that. But after being on here for so many years I've learned this place is just as bad, actually I think it's worse, than being in the political bubble that my grandparents are in. All this place does is reinforce the confirmation bias this place has.

[–]Fauxanadu [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I enjoy the amount of people who make fun of radio listeners or cable news watchers, but get all of their information from the front page of /r/politics

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Yeah, I'm sad and scared to say at 38 comments, it already has.

[–]Its_all_over_16 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Lol I figured out last year after working with the state Democratic party that this place is really not a reflection of any political ideology. It's a race, and class based site. Look at all the gun control news stories. There's an overwhelming support for less gun restrictions. But if we're to assume that the majority of users here are Bernie Sanders supporters and by extension Democrats/Obama Democrats, then why is there a reluctance to take on the NRA/Gun Manufacturers?

The same applies to Affirmative action. I can easily go down my block and rally over 30+ people in support of this ruling. I live in a city, it's not that hard, but on here where--it's supposedly a left leaning site, Affirmative Action is hated among a majority of commentors.

This isn't hard for anyone to see what the demographics are for this site. That's why I take this site with a grain of salt. Twitter is a better place to guage opinions than this place. This is literally a home for white men. Not like stormfront, or Breitbart. But the millennial male this is his home, and the majority of opinions here are reflected as such.

[–]mz1111 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you know that whites are overall voting more for Republicans than Democrats? Does Reddit really strike you as a very pro-Republican?

On the other note Affirmative Action is hated because it's discrimination. You can call it 'positive' discrimination because it's against whites, but it is still discrimination. People don't usually like discrimination regardless of who it targets.

[–]lolnopound [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yea man, why would black people be upset about slavery?

[–]wtfbirds [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

It's worth noting that Abby Fisher is a thoroughly mediocre student who wouldn't have been admitted in any case. She went on to LSU and works in finance in Austin.

Not a terribly compelling bit of evidence that AA is harming anyone...

[–]VenomousFeminist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Of the students with worse test scores and grades than her who were admitted, a large majority were white. So yeah, white people aren't exactly suffering in the UT admissions process.

[–]pearloz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

thoroughly mediocre student

I mean, she was top 12%, though not guaranteed admission to UT.

[–]Hoboken_Snob [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's not really worth noting, since the discussion regards the law which applies to everyone, not just her-but nice unnecessary ad hominem attack.

[–]carlclashfan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

She's the one who's essentially on the attack here - her grades were mediocre and she had a terrible SAT score, and yet she assumes that "her" spot at the best university in Texas went to some undeserving minority.

And even generalizing to the population at large, it's difficult to imagine a better designed admissions program than the one Texas currently uses. 75% of all spots are reserved for the top students in the high schools in the state, regardless of race, gender, socioeconomic status, etc. The remaining 25% takes race into account as a sub-factor of a sub-factor.

[–]wtfbirds [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's relevant if you're arguing that Affirmative Action is somehow injurious to white/Asian students. She was an average student who is still doing well financially. Why does she have standing to sue?

[–]sailorbrendan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

One of us isn't making a lot of sense here.... can we step back and try again?

Clearly the departed justice was saying that African Americans (blacks) were not benefitting from the system and should be in "slower-track" schools.

Because that's what he said

[–]Will_Parent [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Very upsetting that legalized racism remains the law of the land.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I agree. I can't believe the Stand Your Ground laws allow you to kill anyone because of a perceived threat.

[–]belisaurius [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Very upsetting that using the law to redress systemic racism is still a thing we must do. But sure; view it your way.

[–]Will_Parent [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This law is systemic racism. It does not combat it but strengthens it.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (48子コメント)

As a inner city person of color... This is truly great news to hear. I could almost cry right now from the appreciation. And to think how badly this ruling could have gone if Scalia was still alive. Now I hope we can shape these programs to be more efficient in the long run. This is really great news. :'(

[–]iamsmilebot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

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[–]Newtwo88 [スコア非表示]  (41子コメント)

As an Asian who has to score a whole grade point higher (more than that in most cases) than you let me just say this.

Fuck you. Affirmative action is racist. Just because the color of your skin is black shouldn't mean you are getting into a school over other more qualified people.

You should have to compete just like the rest of us.

[–]WelcomeToBoshwitz [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Dude. I'm an Asian American who didn't get into Stanford because at the time they employed AA practices that screwed me and let in my white friends with worse numbers.

But you're missing the point. AA is about, in part, creating a strong middle class for each minority group in this country. We're much closer to having that than black communities or latino communities.

And as an fyi, the people taking your spot are white, not black, from a statistical standpoint.

[–]soxandpatriots1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But you're missing the point. AA is about, in part, creating a strong middle class for each minority group in this country. We're much closer to having that than black communities or latino communities.

So true. I am not crazy about affirmative action programs, but it's undeniable that black people have had to overcome extreme and institutionalized barriers that have made it difficult for them to succeed. For so long, the playing field has been so uneven, and even with recent improvements, not everyone is magically on equal footing.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

he's not asian. he's a fake troll. in another thread he said he was a mexican for trump then quickly deleted it when we all caught on.

[–]fauxgnaws [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But you're missing the point. AA is about, in part, creating a strong middle class for each minority group in this country. We're much closer to having that than black communities or latino communities.

The point is that you can do this without racism. Use a means test and when there are huge numbers of poor blacks, then they disproportionately benefit. Add in "single-family home" and other tests like these and you can boost it to target blacks even more -- without being based on race, without being racist.

And at the same time, the children of rich doctors and lawyers and scientists don't get an extra benefit because they happen to be a certain race.

Any affirmative action policy should be self-regulating like that. We shouldn't have policies that have to be monitored for the point when they stop being more anti-racist than they are racist.

[–]BigDickRichie [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Statistically speaking the white kids are the ones taking your spots.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

They could eradicate affirmative action and it still wouldn't remove his Asian last name from an admissions application.

Edit: turns out the user is a huge troll and also claimed to be a Mexican for Trump in another thread.

[–]BigDickRichie [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Misguided people.

It makes no sense when you think about the basic fact that no top school is overflowing with black students.

Asians know they test better than whites yet are underrepresented in med school classes but yet they get made at the one or two black students.

That's just Asians not paying attention to reality.

This whole idea that "that black kid took my spot" is absurd.

For decades Asians admissions have been systematically capped at every major university in this country.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I bet these anti-affirmative action people aren't as passionately anti-nepotism. I see the people at the top only hiring their colleagues friends and family. Can we have this much passion against this? And what about legacy kids that get into schools because their parents donated a bucket ton of money to that university? Nope, I don't see this on the news at all.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Seriously, fuck legacy policies. Those are the real people "stealing" "your" spot at Stanford.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And JOBS. My current corporation, there are so many people with the same last names (sons, daughters of top employees getting hired). All the interns are some executive's family member. And they all get paid more than others who weren't the family of someone here already. The lack of shame behind it is sickening.

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It's understandable to be mad you didn't get into a college because of past injustices you had no part in. It sucks and it's frustrating. It is really hard for people personally affected by AA to think about the common good over their own selfish interests in college attendance.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I guess it's just crystal clear to me having lived through it every single day of my life vs. someone who has never been exposed. Some people have never even had a conversation with a none-white person, so how would they even begin to fully understand the intricacies of these issues?

[–]satosaison [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I just assume most of those people are neck-bearded angry white trolls, like all of the fake "gays for trump" Twitter users.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You were right. The user isn't even Asian. In another post he said he was a Mexican for Trump.

[–]satosaison [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol. Called it. And he is all over this thread.

[–]gassygooselover [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You write like that, and you're surprised when people who disagree don't want to say they're white? Lol

[–]satosaison [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

...if you read elsewhere in the thread, it turns out just yesterday the dude was claiming to be a "Mexican for trump." So, I was right...

[–]flutterfly28 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No - it should be true, but it's not.

Affirmative action allows colleges to get away with whatever they please under the guise of "holistic" applications. They disproportionally take spots from Asians because they think no one notices - Asians are a small percentage of the nation's population, so no one expects them to be more than a small percentage of the students. They can get away with it, so they do.

Is Harvard Unfair to Asian-Americans?

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Fuck you.

Wow. The way Asians are treated is a separate issue which I am fully aware and strongly support being remedied. Wait. Do you think it's students of color intentionally trying to put Asians down in application pools? How about we help each other out instead of knocking each other down with "fuck you's".

Statistically speaking the white kids are the ones taking your spots.

Please re-direct your anger away from me, thanks. We've both been fucked over in different ways. If you must take out our anger at a certain demographic, then you're taking it out on the wrong one.

[–]Thataintnothing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Whoa dude. Stop trying to impede on my safe space.

[–]general_nuisance [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Why? Every accomplishment you ever have, people will assume you were just handed it.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I understand that. Hence why I want the process to be more efficient and also more inclusive of also poor kids (regardless of background) as well. EOP in NY had all sorts of ethnic backgrounds from white to black. What we had in common was that we all came from underprivileged backgrounds. Ideally, I'd like the process to start much younger to help us get the grades we need to get into the schools and to dismantle nepotism in the workplace/legacy kids admissions to free up those "VIP" spots.

[–]xdre [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why? Every accomplishment you ever have, people will assume you were just handed it.

Frankly, why should OP care what racists think about his/her accomplishments?

[–]yakinikutabehoudai [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I think people don't realize that there would already be a ton more African Americans in colleges and universities already if they weren't enslaved for the majority of this country's history and actively discriminated against for the rest. Add that to racist policies that deliberately prevented them from building wealth through home ownership.

I know it rubs a lot of people the wrong way, myself included, but you just can't ignore that history.

[–]lolnopound [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

African Americans were enslaved for the majority of this country's history

Not true but I understand your point

[–]xdre [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately, this thread is proof that they can and will ignore that. I mean, calling an anti-racism law racism? Jesus.

[–]lavenuma [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I bet these anti-affirmative action people aren't as passionately anti-nepotism. I see the people at the top only hiring their colleagues friends and family. Can we have this much passion against this? And what about legacy kids that get into schools because their parents donated a bucket ton of money to that university? Why don't I see court cases against these practices in the news?

[–]Will_Parent [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I am against both discrimination based on skin color and nepotism. I would think most educated people would be.

[–]belisaurius [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Then you should be for laws that redress already existing institutional discrimination as that allows for a world where everyone regardless of race, creed, gender, etc has equal opportunity. Any educated person should understand that.

[–]Will_Parent [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Of course I am. I think discriminating against someone based on their race should be illegal. That is why we need to get rid of affirmative action laws that do just that. I am glad you agree that we need to make a law against affirmative action so that we can...

redress already existing institutional discrimination as that allows for a world where everyone regardless of race, creed, gender, etc has equal opportunity.

[–]gassygooselover [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If I could see any hard numbers on that discrimination I'd consider it. All I see is "groups A, B, and C don't seem to be doing well, must be white men's fault."

[–]mensol_zero [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The civil rights act only protects certain categories, it doesn't require that every admissions and advancement system be a meritocracy. Employers can fire someone for being ugly if they want.

[–]lolnopound [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I see the people at the top only hiring their colleagues friends and family. Can we have this much passion against this?

TIL not being a family member is a protected class. Have a link to that?

[–]Dyfar [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

this only hurts poor whites and asians.

great work liberals. rich kids will still see success.

good job keeping down the poor who aren't black.

[–]A_Crabby_Patty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Didn't you know diversity is skin deep? Fuck diversity of thought!

[–]Xerxesvi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There will be affirmative action LONG after it is required.

[–]owencrump [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

The beginning of affirmative action pretty much coincides with the beginning of the decline of the United States.

[–]Nrussg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hahhaha, what? Wait when do you think the US was at its best?

[–]voldewort [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Nah mate, the US has been declining ever since the South lost the Civil War. Am I right?! /s

[–]GuyBelowMeDoesntLift [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Same could be said for Super Bowl I. Has about the same correlation to any "decline".

[–]belisaurius [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So... let's get this straight; in order to Make American Great Again, we must return to an era when African Americans were denied the right to vote? Is that what you're saying?

[–]Dhdhhs [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Awesome! Diversity Is a good thing

[–]Newtwo88 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Diversity is great.

Forced diversity for political correctness is not. Especially when it comes at the cost of allowing less qualified people into colleges.

[–]Nrussg [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's not for political correctness, it's to correct for systemic damage done over generations. It will end eventually (hopefully) but you need it to run for a few generations to correct for the incredible amount of racially motivated social destruction wrecked over centuries.

[–]general_nuisance [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It will never end. The day it ends is the day politicians can stop using it as a wedge.

[–]lolnopound [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And the punishment of innocent white and asian children continues because of actions decades ago that they had nothing to do with. This is similar to universities not letting in German students because of what they did to the jews in the 40s.