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[–]OnePonders 1ポイント2ポイント  (168子コメント)

You are gay, straight or bisexual and you are man or woman. Lets stop coming up with new retarded pointless names.

[–]DamnedestWagonWheel 79ポイント80ポイント  (36子コメント)

Why should you care?

[–]PrinterRepairSpec 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

lmao I love you, there's a graveyard of salt beneath someone simply asking people why they care about shit on the internet

[–]jdlr2 28ポイント29ポイント  (25子コメント)

I'm sure we were all having the same conversation 60 years ago with homosexuality.

"You are a man or a woman, stop coming with new pointless names for what you retards call "sexual orientation" !"

"Heterosexual? are you fucking mental? I'm NORMAL"

"You're attracted to the same sex? I'm attracted to an attack helicopter lol"

I don't know why people are so mad at how other people identify themselves, it's harmless and it's actually good for them.
The scientific community already agrees that gender is different from sex, that there are more than 2 genders and that being a transgender isn't a mental illness. Many societies before us considered that there are more than 2 genders and there's even other species with more than two genders like this bird.

As for the vocabulary I can help you a bit here are the most important stuff:

Cis: it means you identify with the gender you were assigned at birth
Trans: opposite of cis
Genderqueer: umbrella term for anyone who's gender isn't male or female

Side note, the title of the youtube video "Gay retard" honestly sounds homophobic.

[–]spicedfiyah 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

The guy in the green jumpsuit is idubbbz, he & his fans refer to him as a "Gay Retard"

[–]Shields42 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's only because he is. He's a goddamn faggot. (That's how we, his fans, show him we love him). Also, his Snapchat stories are hilarious. If you don't follow them, I highly recommend you do.

[–]guineapigments 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, like 5 or 10 years ago (and still now) he would've been saying "You're either gay or straight, there's no in between." He apparently accepts bisexuality. This guy has been affected by progressive conversation like we're having right now about gender and doesn't even realize it.

[–]CarlWheezer69 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://youtu.be/IRsPheErBj8

[–]Shields42 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fine, but I'd really like to come up with a different word than "cis" for being the gender that you were born as. It's such a gross word. And why do we even need a word to describe irregular genders? Basic would be fine. Standard maybe?

[–]Commercialtalk 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

"im cutting off the growth of the english language cause im afraid of things i dont understand"

[–]holomanga 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're bisexual and you're a woman. I have no idea what this weird SJW concept of "man" is, let alone those Tumblrinas claiming to be "straight", but I don't like it.

[–]poothrowingmonkey 9ポイント10ポイント  (41子コメント)

So you think there's no such thing as asexuality or pansexuality? Also intersex people exist, sex and gender identity aren't as rigid and binary as western culture would have you believe.

[–]alekzander01 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Serious question, whats the exact difference between Pansexual and Bisexual? Aren't they both attracted to the 2 different sexes and their characteristics?

Edit: thanks for the responses

[–]ahandfulofbirds 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are very similar. Some people feel that the term bisexual enforces gender binary, and therefore an assortment of other terms have come up (pansexual, polysexual, omnisexual), and they all mean very similar things. When identity names are coined though, people become attached to them, so they are a variety of terms meaning similar things, but different people feel strongly about some as a part of their identity, hence why there's not a big push to unify them. Recently, people have been putting them under the banner of "multisexual", but it's not that widespread yet.

[–]Golgavar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I understand it, there isn't too much of a difference between pansexual and bisexual. Both bi and pansexual people are attracted to men and women. The difference is pansexual people are also signaling they are attracted to transgender men, women, and queergender/agender people.

To be fair to bi people many of them would also be willing to date someone trans or queergender, but a good portion would not be comfortable/interested in that. Because of that, some bi people who are attracted non-binary people describe themselves as pan.

So you could say that all pansexual people are 'bi', but not that all bi people are pansexual.

[–]alekzander01 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

Serious question, whats the exact difference between Pansexual and Bisexual? Aren't they both attracted to the 2 different sexes and their characteristics?

[–]pasaroanth 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not going to delve into my personal thoughts on the matter because they're irrelevant to your question, but here's the basic premise:

  • Sex: male or female biologically. Either you have a penis or a vagina.

  • Gender: whether you relate to typically masculine or feminine characteristics.

  • Bisexuality is basically saying someone is attracted to both men and women.

  • Pansexuality is based on the belief that gender isn't binary, but that there is a "spectrum" of gender, inferring that someone can be both genders/no gender. Pan-, in this case, means "all", so it's kind of like saying their attraction to someone has nothing to do with their gender.

So yeah, they're pretty much the same thing because gender doesn't play a part in someone's attraction to another person. My interpretation of the two is that the bis tend to be attracted to people whose sexes match their genders regardless of which one, whereas the pans tend to lean toward the "your body parts don't dictate your gender" theme and ignore gender altogether.

[–]Lotharingian 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Pretty sure Pansexual just means that you're bi and also into trans people. Seems like a useless term to me but whatever.

[–]Vinny_gar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL I hate the term Pansexual now. I didn't really question it before but as a trans person I hate it, if that's what it really is. Ew..

[–]bunnylover726 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's useful for trans and nonbinary people looking for a partner. If someone says they are pansexual, non binary people know that they at least have some sort of chance. A lot of bisexuals are ok dating nonbinary people, but not all.

[–]ZebulonPike13 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a bi guy, I have to admit that I think these are the worst defined labels of them all. Pansexual people say that the difference is that they like transexual and nonbinary folk as well as men and women... but I think most bi people probably feel the same way, they just haven't met many of those people.

Personally, I think that the main difference is that while pan people don't care about gender at all, bi people might. I, for example, like men and women, but I slightly prefer women. A pansexual person just wouldn't give a shit, and only care about personality. But that's just my definition, literally everyone has a different one. In the end, it really doesn't matter that much. Just let people be who they want to be.

[–]ahandfulofbirds 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, as somebody who IDs with pansexuality, they are very similar terms. As one of these special snowflake freaks that doesn't feel like they fit neatly into the gender binary, I'm personally more comfortable with the term because bisexuality has a history of binarism (duh). I have nothing against anybody who identified as bisexual, but it's just not a term I feel comfortable with for myself. Some people will argue semantics (some bisexuals do only like cis men/cis women, some use the definition same and other genders), but for me, I generally say I am attracted to people regardless of gender. I'm attracted to certain traits more, but gender has no bearing on that.

[–]A_Dubious_Rat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You'll have to look it up to get a more in-depth explanation since there can be varying specifics depending on who you ask, but in a nutshell:

Bisexual: attracted to two genders (women & men)

Pansexual: attracted to all genders (cis / trans women & men, nonbinary, genderqueer, polygender folks, etc.)

[–]fifthchevron -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's tons of biphobia in the LGBT+ community, to me the need to separate bisexual people from pansexual people is one instance of biphobia. I am bisexual but I am/have been attracted to transgender people. I don't feel the need to use another label for that, I know what I am. But when even the LGBT+ community wants to separate itself from your orientation (because it can seem straight passing), it sucks.

[–]ColdBrewIrishCoffee -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Non-obviously-LGBT-pride-source?

[–]GearyDigit 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

"NEW THINGS MAKE ME SCARED AND ANGRY STOP EXISTING OUTSIDE OF MY FIELD OF KNOWLEDGE."

[–]a-memorable-fancy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I STRAWMAN MY OPPONENTS TO MAKE UP FOR MY INCOHERENT IDEOLOGICAL BIASES"

[–]UGotAutism -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah don't insult my attack helicopter sexuality.

[–]SpeakofSmallThings -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or you could not police others identities, that'd be cool too.

[–]kingssman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Listening to these definitions and I'm like

Okay, you like sticking your dick into things or sticking things into your vagina. No need to come up with some made up orientation or gender. Like what the hell is a gender fluid poly sexual?

Is that saying you enjoy ass play while butt fucking a tranny?

[–]ferret_bueller_ -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

cis people and hetero people absolutely love to to make a big deal out of how queer people might use constructed terminology to describe themselves and think of it as insipid and unnecessary but they don't bat an eye at learning fuckin dothraki or some shit.

[–]Fiery1Phoenix -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, i just dont accept them.

[–]mas9055 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"new"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

[–]fat_squeek -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who upvotes this trash?

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    [–]StaIky 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

    What's wrong with being called cis? I don't mind it, it's like when people say I'm heterosexual.

    [–]Mephistopholees 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I certainly don't want to be confused for those damn trans alpine Gauls. Fucking Aedui, Mediolanium is for the Insubres! Cis-alpina best-alpina!

    [–]StaIky -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm actually in trans alpine Gaul (near Marseille) so abi pedicatum you fucking Italian caenum !

    EDIT: in trans alpine Gaul, I made a typo, I actually meant that I live in trans alpin Gaul.

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      [–]King-Of-Throwaways 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

      "Normal" and "abnormal" don't just refer to whether something or someone is statistically average. The words carry a connotation of the subject being good or bad. Even the google definition of "abnormal" says, "deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying".

      Needless to say, people don't like receiving a label that implies that something is wrong with them, so they use labels that don't carry the same demeaning connotation.

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        [–]StaIky 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        But they're not mentally ill.

        A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.
        According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

        [–]TDuncker -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Depends which diagnostic manuals you refer by. The DSM-5 and ICD-10 don't call it a mental illness, IIRC.

        [–]Fimbultyr 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Because cis people aren't the only normal ones. Just because something is uncommon doesn't make it abnormal. It's normal for a small percentage of the population to be trans. By designating cisgender people as normal, you're marginalizing and stigmatizing those who aren't cisgender.

        If someone is offended by this fact, they are choosing to be offended based on a connotation that they make about the word "normal".

        "When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don't get to decide that you didn't." You're "choosing to be offended" more than any trans people I've ever encountered.