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[–]ha966I7 4770K | Gtx 650 | 16 gb ram 911ポイント912ポイント  (390子コメント)

My friends have playstations, they hate PC because its too complicated but they get angry over that it takes 6 hours to download a fucking DLC

[–]Okieant33 642ポイント643ポイント  (314子コメント)

I still don't get this. How is PC too complicated? Oh...this is why we call them peasants.

[–]the_starshipFX 8350, GTX 970, MSI 970, 16gb 1600 1118ポイント1119ポイント  (221子コメント)

Devil's Advocate here - Building a PC for a first time builder is complicated when there's several different skus of parts. I know a GTX 1070 would be good, but there's several different manufacturers of this card. Which is the best? How do I know what Ram speed I need? newegg has about 60 core i7 processors for sale. Which one is the best? do I even need an i7? Should I go AMD instead since they're so cheap?

Sure there are guides that can tell you what you need but the choices for the average consumer is overwhelming at first glace to the point where it's just easier to pick Xbox One/PS4/Wii U.

Ultimately if you spend the amount of time researching for the best PC for your budget, you'll find the perfect fit, but a lot of people aren't willing to invest the time and effort and give the excuse "it's too complicated"

[–]flawlesssin 313ポイント314ポイント  (101子コメント)

This. Never knew of PCPP before i very nearly fucked up and bought an incompatible mobo with my CPU (it was also a piece of shit and was upgraded within 3 months).

really for someone to become a PCMR member they either need

A) a large interest in technology to begin with. Or

B) one of us who already knows whats what to help them.

My little brother would have never played on PC without me, and he doesnt play anything else now.

[–]N3er0O 76ポイント77ポイント  (74子コメント)

There is also an option C. It is a lot more expensive, but is kind of a middle way, which should be filled by the steam machines right now (if valve didn't fuck it up), called the prebuild system. This is probably the easiest way to become a PCMR "member".

EDIT: I have a little brother too. He did it this way and bought a gaming laptop. Now, a year after he did so, he wants to uograde to a tower PC I am going to build with him.

[–]neptoess 63ポイント64ポイント  (23子コメント)

Prebuilt has become a lot more reasonable lately with companies like cyberpowerpc in the mix.

[–]N3er0O 25ポイント26ポイント  (11子コメント)

I am not gonna lie: I had high hopes for the steam machines, but with no advertising at all and the failed promise of keeping the selection simple and fairly inexpensive I sadly don't see a future for them... I guess you are right and prebuilt systems are in the coming now.

[–]xxfay6Desktop on hiatus *sadface* | HP Spectre x360 i7-5500U 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

Also the fact that they took so fucking long to launch. They could've had a shoot if they didn't take so long with the controller and BigPicture.

[–]legend6546fx9540 750ti 24gb ram 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

The problem with steam machines is that graphic cards drivers are horible on linux, nvidia drivers do not play well x11 in my experience.

[–]ConciselyVerbose4790k@4.7/980ti@1450/4k 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nvidia drivers are fine. Not quite up to par with Windows but they weren't all that far off either. I wouldn't have moved to Windows if selection weren't an issue.

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        [–]ljkpSpecs/Imgur Here 37ポイント38ポイント  (25子コメント)

        Also option D, go to a computer store and tell them what kind of specs you want the computer to have, and let them pick the parts for you. That way you can have a word about the computer but you know everything will work. Putting the pieces together is very easy.

        [–]SirNolp 58ポイント59ポイント  (11子コメント)

        Eh, in my experience those people usually dont know what the hell they are talking about... for example, dont ask a frys employee to pick parts for you. r/buildapc is probably one of your best bets.

        [–]hergumbulesSpecs/Imgur here 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

        /r/buildapc is great. When I posted my first build for people to look at, they gave me comments about how the video card I was getting is known to have heat issues and high power draw and suggested a card of similar value and strength without those problems, as well as a more powerful power supply to deal with it. Such a helpful bunch they are.

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          [–]kad4724 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

          I wouldn't trust a computer store employee to build me a PC any more than I would trust a GNC or Vitamin Shoppe employee to be my personal trainer. Which is to say, their jobs are to sell things, and it would be a crapshoot as to whether or not you ended up talking to someone who A) truly knew what they were talking about, and B) cared about you at all.

          [–]AssGagger 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

          there's usually at least a couple guys at microcenter that know their shit.

          [–]ArchinaTGLsteamcommunity.com/id/Archina 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ^ This. I did this for my first gaming PC and besides a couple things that in hindsight felt like a stock dump it went well and the rig lasted for 4 years before I decided to go for something that could do even more than what the rig could originally do.

          All I did at the time was say "Could you build me a gaming PC with [budget here]? I want it to be able to do [preferences here]."

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            [–]Glampkoou wot m8 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

            This is probably the easiest way to become a PCMR "member".

            "You don't necessarily need a PC to be a member of the PCMR. You just have to recognize that the PC is objectively superior to consoles as explained here. It's not about the hardware in your rig, but the software in your heart!"

            [–]hokiedokie18 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yup, I'm definitely interested in assembling PCs and learning about the hardware, but I'm not going to build a PC for a while because college.

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                [–]johnzaku 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Seriously, I just help my friend and sister build their firsts and a lot of their questions and insecurities felt pretty justified to me. If I hadn't been there they would never have known quite where to start.

                [–]YoYo-PeteYoYo-Pete 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Couldnt we just 'get a dell' and put more3 ram and a good discrete GPU into it and call it done.

                It doesnt have to be 'Enthusiest Built' to play games.

                Mine Is Tho...

                [–]Cash091http://imgur.com/a/aYWD0 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I know people who have purchased a 2nd video card even though the board is incompatible with SLI. Crossfire or SLI only boards were common place up until only a few years ago. I was telling one of my friends (the 2nd one to do this) to check the manual specifically as these boards are(were) common. Guess who bought a 760 and only had xfire support??

                [–]SonicRaptorSteam ID Here 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Exactly, ive converted 4 friends since I joined about 5 years ago, all were hardcore console gamers that would have never made the change without me.

                Lack of knowledge and the "intimidating" part lists to build a PC held each of them back, having someone who knows what they are doing was the only reason any of them made the change.

                [–]Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I tried re-installing a clean copy of windows and got fucked up the ass because I didn't know you had to download the exact specific type of drivers your parts need manually. Spent 2 days on my phone in the /r/buildapc chatroom trying to figure out why the fuck my computer wouldn't run, and another day of trial and error with figuring out my drivers.

                [–]IamDoritosi5-4460 | Sapphire r9 380 | 8 GB DDR3 | Win 10 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                When was this? When I built my first pc earlier this year I just had to download a couple programs that automatically determined what hardware I had and installed drivers for it.

                [–]Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                A few months ago, the chatroom I was in said there wasn't such a program for free. I didn't even have internet drivers either, so downloading anything was a no-go for a while until I went to the public library. Sucked ass.

                [–]BcookieOmonsterB 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Pcpp = PC part picker for the interested/unaware

                [–]kalkop 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                A lot of pc markets in my country help you out if you have any questions regarding hardware. Heck, I once ordered a H110 mobo and a stick of ram and they called me asking which CPU I was buying and What I wanted to do with the PC. As soon as I said "i5 6400" and "gaming" they told me B150 would be better and it was as cheap as the H110.
                I think this is a very good service and you don't even pay for it, they already save you a couple of headaches with such little things like this.
                Edit: typo

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                  [–]JoverbyAsus 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  You don't need to build a computer to have a decent gaming computer. The sensible thing to do would be to buy one that works out of the box for your needs if you or your friends don't feel comfortable building.

                  [–]CrazyCalYaOk 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  Unfortunately 90% of prebuilt pcs you get at best buy or wherever are marked up so much that something that'd cost $500 to build will cost you $1000 to buy premade. It'll also have bloatware pre-installed and at least one of the parts will be cheaped out on

                  [–]JoverbyAsus 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I mean, from best buy, yeah. But if they were to go to somewhere like new egg they would be fine. Otherwise ASUS from best buy could work.

                  [–]CrazyCalYaOk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Which you and I know but unfortunately the average consumer won't bother researching.

                  [–]HunterDigihttp://steamcommunity.com/id/hunterdigi/ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Some shops offer to assemble the parts you buy for a small fee.

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                    [–]AHostileHippoi5 4690k, EVGA Classified GTX 770, both watercooled 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    This was me when i first built my PC, and since I was one of the first of my friends to build one, I had no idea what parts to get. Researched helped but it was still scary as hell. I mostly looked up neweggs bundled parts and tried to recreate that for as close as I could with a beefed up graphics card. (It didn't help that the graphics card naming schemes for newcomers is VERY confusing).

                    In the end I was lucky and everything was compatible, but I wasted money by buying an AMD APU instead of of a normal CPU.

                    [–]Zenixity 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Same boat. I bought a AMD 6800k APU with a GTX 750Ti.

                    Then I got all setup and talked to NY friends about my new beast and they're like why did you get an apu. I asked, what's an APU.. I didn't know they're was different CPUs...

                    [–]inteLzzzFX-6350 | GTX 660 | 8GB RAM 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    1. go to /r/buildapcforme
                    2. insert budget, get build
                    3. receive parts
                    4. watch how to build on youtube
                    5. watch tutorial on installing windows
                    6. use pc

                    [–]vihuhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/vihu89/ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    "That's a lot on the todo list man. And I gotta watch a bunch of how to videos man. I'm just gonna buy a playstation. It looks so much better and you can play it in the living room with a big ass TV u know, its soo good. I can get it at best buy too man. Awesome."

                    This is a lot of people.

                    Now I know, we all want the PC to be in every home and I too thought steam machines were the way to go, but consoles man they fucked the gloriousness. I know they're good for what they do but unless there's somehow a change in thinking, like if Apple came out tomorrow with a modular gaming PC which was customizable from top down and be reasonably priced calling it iPlay running MacOS but automatically switching to Windows when u need to play a game; perhaps we might see a shift in the mentality.

                    [–]g0atmeal4790k, 980Ti, 16GB, Cup Holder 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Very true. Circle-jerking aside, I think we can all agree that PC is objectively the best way to go. But you're going to spend a few hours planning, shopping, and comparing before the build, and 1-3 hours actually doing the assembling (especially for a first time). I don't blame most people for just buying a box and calling it a day.

                    What I don't understand is "dedicated" gamers that spend hours a day playing, and being a huge part of the culture and ecosystem, yet still prefer consoles. Really, it's just brand loyalty at that point.

                    [–]kad4724 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    I might be able to offer a different perspective. I game a lot and have always done it on console my whole life. I've recently started looking at moving more to PC, but I think the part you're missing is where you say "a few hours planning, shopping and comparing before the build". You probably have at least a decent amount of tech knowledge, so a few hours might be all you need. I'm a total noob when it comes to building a PC, so I've started out with almost no knowledge of how to build whatsoever. I've been researching on and off (mostly on) for probably about a month now, and I'm still not 100% confident in my ability to build what I want and have it turn on the first time I press the power button. Now, I'm pretty obsessive about little details, so maybe I'm overdoing my research phase, but the intimidation factor definitely turns people like me off from doing their own builds. It's more than brand loyalty. I feel absolutely 0 obligation to be brand loyal to either Microsoft or Sony. It's more like inertia. It's just easier to keep doing what I've always done and play on console.

                    I can also guarantee that it will take me longer than 3 hours when I do get around to doing my build. Probably much longer, lol.

                    [–]FuujinSama 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    You're overthinking it, and it probably won't take longer than 3 hours. It's honestly rather straight forward.

                    If you haven't, you should just go to /r/buildapc and tell them your build and what you want to do, and they'll be really helpful.
                    I don't own a tower, but it's mostly because I don't really enjoy sitting on a pc, and prefer just laying with my laptop (It's not really laziness, I just spend way too much time sitting during the day and really don't want to keep doing it after I get home). It sucks that building your own laptop is not really viable yet.

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                      [–]ralgradoi5-6500, 16GB DDR4, 500GB SSD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      But you're going to spend a few hours planning, shopping, and comparing before the build

                      That's if you already have a bit of a clue about current hardware. I was reading /r/buildapc and /r/pcmasterrace for a month before I decided what I want to go with. I'm not even sure how I managed to workout my two previous builds but I guess if I would've done the same research back than, that I did now I would've build them different.

                      If you really have no clues about PCs I guess you would need 1-2 weeks of research to find something decent and be able to build it yourself. It's also the reason I don't like people saying pre-builds are bad in general when people ask about a specific one on /new. If it's a decent build, tell them how much they have to pay extra for not building it themselves and be done with it or tell them it's a shitty build for certain reasons.

                      [–]MoazNasr 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Just get one of those custom PCs, that's what I did 7 years ago. Worked fine.

                      [–]TwoFingerUpvote 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I have a custom built laptop I got over 5 years ago. It's way behind the curve and can't do anything with modern games now but I could play all the games I threw at it on ultra for a year or two after I bought it. The thing is massive and has a big ass brick of a power supply so all the Mac fanboys laughed at me for it. Yet it took years for Apple to catch up to the specs it had and it still cost me a few hundred less than what the top of the line MacBook cost. Now it pretty much gets used to play simpler games like FO3 or Skyrim. Still love it though and it still gets lots of use

                      [–]WattledPenguinSpecs/Imgur here 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      But not all those who game build their own PCs. I have friends who would never build their own system and yet still complain that setting up and getting everything ready to game is a hassle. Still don't understand the logic myself but such is life. The only reason I still have my 360 is for halo. Until Halo Online is fully developed that is.

                      [–]NeedHelpWithExcel 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I dunno, I built a PC last christmas and the only experience I had was upgrading my RAM once.

                      I just looked up a guide on buildapc and ordered my parts and put it all together.

                      I was worried the whole time I was going to fuck it all up and waste $1000 but it turned out perfect and everything works fine

                      [–]Achack 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      And then when you start having issues with sound and recording drivers you need to update them and for some reason I'm having trouble with that. I run the installer and first it uninstalls then I restart and the installer installs the drivers. About an hour later I get the same issue I got before so my solution is to run the uninstaller and restart but then I don't run it again and the sound works fine. I really don't understand why this is my solution but when the computer does a big update I get the same echo crap on my sound again and have to do that process again.

                      [–]needo2redditR7 265, Athlon X4 860k 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Also even building a PC is very expensive outside US, my mediocre PC (flair) is hand built, cost me double the price of PS4

                      [–]gratethecheese 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It took me with no prior experience 2 weeks from deciding I wanted one to powering it on. Most of the time was waiting for delivery. It took 2 hours to build by myself after watching 2 youtube videos. It's laughable how easy it is.

                      [–]darklynx4i7-4770K @ 4.5ghz | 16GB ddr3 1866 | Gtx970 @ 1500/8000 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      google "recommended pc hardware for gaming 2016" or "gaming pc build 2016", click one of first links, print the page that has parts listed in your budget (or google with budget added in it), take that page to microcenter, frys, besybuy (ehh), or honestly any store which sells parts.

                      Say you want these parts (on printed out paper) or something very similar/comparable to them (in both performance and cost).

                      Then ask them to build it for you after buying (almost any store will do this for free if you buy the parts at that store).

                      bam! gaming pc with zero knowledge of hardware/computers, and almost no effort in it (i mean peasants research which consoles to buy, this wouldnt take any more effort then that. actually less).

                      And there is still the option of prebuilt pcs. its ofcourse just more expensive, with lower quality parts and lesser warranties. and pc gaming is still cheaper in long run, so even if you spend $600-800 on a prebuilt gaming pc, after a year or so of pc gaming, you make that money back (no online fees + cheaper games).

                      using a pc and gaming on a pc is also extremely simple now days (also every single person should know how to operate a computer. its a necessity in todays modern society. not being computer literate in this age is like not knowing how to read/write). with windows 10 you dont need to do anything. all drivers are found and installed automatically in the background. all updates aswell.

                      The ONLY thing you need to do after turning on your pc for first time is install steam/origin/uplay/gog. Then purchase and play games. (can take the extra 10 seconds to set steam to automatically start with windows and automatically launch big picture. then you get the entire console ease of use on pc).

                      thats it. from this point on, using a pc is just as simple (if not more simple) than playing on console. steam opens automatically, you click on a game, thats it. to install a new game you click on it, wait 10 minutes, play it.

                      If you use your pc as a gaming only machine (do your web browsing and downloading movies/music on other devices. aka treat your gaming pc like a gaming console and only play games on it), you never have to worry about errors or malware then either. not that malware and stuff is really common anymore anyway (ublock origin goes a long way). only way to really mess things up is trying to download "facebook hacks" or something lol

                      [–]dude_is_melting 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

                      for some perspective, I have a pre-built PC and a ps4. I play mostly the ps4 lately because I have fucked up hands. I can't actually build a PC and nobody in my area will build one.

                      Like, I put in a video card a few months ago and my hands were bleeding by the end of it.

                      I would love to pay someone to build a pc for me, I'd pay a ton for it, but cant. PS4 is just easier for me at this point, haha

                      [–]Snaykei 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Even for someone who has built PCs in the past, its still a massive time investment to research and get up to date with whats current. People have jobs, friends, etc to attend to and may not have the time to do this research.

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                        [–]MumrikDK 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        PCs are complicated by comparisons. I just don't really understand why people don't just get over it and learn how to problem solve.

                        It's not like you're going to live a life without PCs just because you play your games on a console.

                        [–]ReverbDuck 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Actually, yeah. I hate dealing with PCs and Windows. I have a PlayStation and several macs. I know what I'm doing - I am a product engineer at a major semiconductor company working on PC parts - but I just don't fucking want to deal with PCs on my own time, so I don't, and I'm quite happy with that choice.

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                          [–]-SammyP6-i5 4690k | R9 390 | 24GB RAM 9ポイント10ポイント  (23子コメント)

                          there is so much choice and that can be overwhelming even though choice is better

                          [–]PapaSmurphySpecs/Imgur Here 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Well see it's complicated because first you have to go to Circuit City. Then you remember Circuit City went out of business so you head to Best Buy. At Best Buy you realize their prices are shit but they at least say they'll price-match Amazon. The problem is that the pre-assembled computer you like on Amazon has one digit in the serial number different so they won't price-match.

                          So it's like you go through all that, finally buy the computer and get it home and then you know what? There's like twice as much plastic covering stuff to peel off as an XBox. Plugging in the monitor is pretty much like hooking up to a TV, and plugging in power is the same, but then you have to plug in both the keyboard and the mouse.

                          When you finally have that mess sorted it boots up Windows and it's all like "Do you want to create a username and password?" "Do you want to register your copy of WinRar?" and all this other nonsense. By that point I've completely forgotten why I even bought the thing, toss it out the window, grab some Mt. Dew Gamer Fuel and Doritos then sit back in front of my beautiful console.

                          How is that not complicated? /s

                          [–]SpagettInTrainingSpecs/Imgur here 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          What's complicated, is when something goes wrong and there is no noticeable problem with your computer.

                          Here's a comment I wrote about my problem.

                          Pc IS very complicated. I've had games crash at seemingly random points for months now. I've had my friend who is more knowledgeable at computers, and a computer repair store look at it and neither of them know what is wrong with it.

                          My temps are good, my hard drive is okay, my ram is okay, it's not my game installation because I'm having problems in a bunch of different games. I've explored those and many other options, but nobody can seem to figure it out.

                          Consoles, you can just send in for repairs and they'll fix the whole thing, or just send you a new one. PC's, if you don't know whats wrong, you can't send it in or buy a new part. There could be so much wrong with it.

                          Don't act like PC is any easier or hassle-free than a console.

                          [–]cuntpuncher_69 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          when my xbox isn't working right I just reboot, when my laptop isn't I reboot, reinstall the game, downgrade a driver, mess around in nvidia experience for a little while, then give up because I don't even like the game very much

                          [–]akjoltoy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Uhm.... don't be ridiculous. PC absolutely is complicated for people who don't know anything about them yet.

                          Just because PC is the better platform in every fucking way doesn't mean that the argument that it's complicated for newbies isn't legitimate. Most of us grew up using them so things that seem utterly mindless and obvious to us aren't that way for them.

                          Just think about when you use some new software tool with any depth to it. It always seems awkward and annoying and convoluted and unintuitive at first. But, like PC users tend to do, we actually do some research and read tutorials or the documentation and are willing to fumble around and experiment in the dark until we get some competence. There's no denying that in that initial phase, though, the tool will be complicated and a bit stressful to learn.

                          [–]element515i5 2500k/Asus 280X/256GB SSD 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Spent a half hour fixing drivers to my g27 one day. That was a pain in the ass. I assume random crap like that is what they complain about. Atleast my wheel still works when I upgrade my pc unlike consoles.

                          [–]frenchyfryes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The only thing that I could see as "complicated" is figuring out what parts fit your needs best but even then, that's not complicated at all.

                          [–]Conrad-W 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          When you have no drivers on that fresh install and can't connect to the internet to get them because you don't have drivers. Thank god for Linux, making my Windows installs so much easier.

                          [–]JustWoozy 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          An adult saying PCs are too complicated is like a kid saying Lego is too complicated.

                          [–]SpagettInTrainingSpecs/Imgur here 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          But if you mess up with these "Lego" pieces, you could be out hundreds of dollars. Some people don't want to take those risks if they don't know what they're doing.

                          I saw someone compare normal people not building PCs to gamers not fixing their own car. Of course, there is probably a good amount that do, but the majority don't. It's probably an easy fix, but they could think that it's best to leave it up to the professionals.

                          [–]JustWoozy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Computer hardware is fairly proprietary. You won't mess up or break anything unless you are a complete idiot with piss-poor problem solving skills.

                          Cars are also a lot like adult Lego too. To me they are more complicated than computers, especially hardware vs hardware, but I still understand them somewhat as well. Am I a mechanic? Nope. If something was wrong with my card that I didn't completely understand I would seek at least a second opinion. Computer hardware is actually simpler than cars. It is indeed a lot closer to Lego than cars are. It isn't just because I know computers better than I know cars. It is because there are fewer pieces and computer parts are way more proprietary.

                          Software to me is a giant monster and a different story.

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                            [–]obedear__i5 4460 | GTX 960 | 8 GB 15ポイント16ポイント  (19子コメント)

                            It really is horrible. When I had a PS4, I kept it fairly close to the router and it was getting around 8 Mbps. Plugged in an ethernet cable and it was getting 40 Mbps.

                            [–]ha966I7 4770K | Gtx 650 | 16 gb ram 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            I have a ps4 too, but rarely use it. My wifi is weak too despite having a nighthawk 5ghz router

                            [–]saikronfuck off steam spamming parasites 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            There was a recently software update that improved PS4 performance. How this works I dunno, but when I got my PS4 I got on reddit to complain about shitty network speed. All I got was "plug it into ethernet newb" or "fuck off sony is the best" even though I mentioned in the title and post I already tested it on ethernet and I was getting like 10mbps instead of 45. I haven't tested it again since the update but downloads from PSN are notably improved.

                            Nice username btw.

                            [–]Red7s 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Their subreddit is still like that. I made a post asking what's with GTA V taking so long to download on PS4(over a day) when I downloaded it on PC in little over an hour. I received a response similar to "use ethernet" or "that's not possible there's no way you downloaded it that fast."

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                                [–]OccamsMinigunFX-8350, MSI GTX970 11ポイント12ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                Do PS4s seriously have slower network interfaces? I feel like this is pretty much about your internet connection...

                                [–]GODZiGGAi7 3820 | GTX 980ti | ROG Swift PG279Q 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                It's Sony's servers actually; they are an absolute joke. I have gigabit internet and I can download a 50 GB game on my PC in less than 10 minutes whereas a PS3 update that is a couple hundred MB will take 10-15 minutes to download.

                                [–]esposimiLenovo Y410p - i7-4700MQ / GT755M 2GB / 840 EVO 500GB 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                One thing is for sure, they don't have 5 GHz support.

                                [–]Kuipo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I don't think it's about the PS4, and it's DEFINITELY not about my internet, I'm pretty sure it's Sony's servers. I've never gotten a good speed downloading anything from their servers.

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                                  [–]ThatGuySage 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  As a player of both, that's not the console. That's their internet. It takes me about 5 minutes to install dlcs, and about 40 minutes to get Black Ops 3.

                                  [–]H1D3_N_D13_MSI GTX 970 , I5 4690K, 16GB RAM, G502 M, G710+ KB 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                  Happens every time I want to start up a game on my PS 4 or Xbox one since I barely play them I have to wait at least an hour to play a game. Blops 3 is bad for this

                                  [–]WaidWilson 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                  You don't have it update them automatically?

                                  [–]Sir_Rexicusi5 6600K - 2x R9 Fury X - 27" 1ms 144Hz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I honestly have gotten to a point where the redundant design of my Xbone's UI feels challenging to work around than just getting on my rig instead. (I picked one up to play around with the Xbone to PC Streaming, it ended up turning into an over glorified Netflix machine).

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                                    [–]HermaphrofightSpecs/Imgur Here 412ポイント413ポイント  (102子コメント)

                                    This is completely dependent on your download speed and if you are using a LAN cable or WIFI. I have a PS4 and I can download games just as quick as I can on steam, queue down votes for speaking the truth.

                                    [–]185139ID: BubblegumB 127ポイント128ポイント  (38子コメント)

                                    This is posted so often it's stupid. I get 60 down and it takes the same amount of time on my PS4 and my PC.

                                    Really wish PCMR would update their reasons for why PC is better...

                                    [–]ILikePuhtaytoesPC Master Race 57ポイント58ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                    pcmr is the most pathetic circlejerk on reddit besides /r/s4p...

                                    [–]Skabomb 66ポイント67ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    Remember when PCMR was a joke subreddit, but was then taken over by people who took it seriously?

                                    I do.

                                    [–]logosterI5-3330 @ 3.0GHZ | 8GB 1600MHZ DDR3 | GTX 750TI SC 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    so are you pepperidge farms?

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                                      [–]daborkQ8200 2.33GHz - 8800GT - 8GB DDR3 - Certified Cheap-ass 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                      And then they wonder why people don't want to be part of the PC gaming community. Same reason people are so aversive to Linux, because the community is toxic as all fuck and nobody wants to be talked down to.

                                      [–]Ghost4000Specs/Imgur Here 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      You must not have been to /r/the_donald.

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                                        [–]Avairce 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Can confirm, get 40mbps on PC and on PS4, usually takes like 1-2 tops for most downloads i have done. Also usually have PS4 in rest mode so everything is auto downloaded.

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                                          [–]Blauwy 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          Its weird af. I gave 250mb/s up and down, hardwired PS4 and PC to a Netgear router. Steam and other PC apps downloads at full speed, PS4 gets 75% of the speed on a good day.

                                          I dont know what triggers it, why some have issues and some dont. Its weird tho.

                                          [–]sitdownstandup 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          The idea is that it's no longer put in a disc or cart and just play. They've become just like PCs but with limited performance and no upgrade ability

                                          [–]jewbageller 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Being able to queue downloads remotely makes this pretty negligible anyway.

                                          [–]TheMuffinMan0311 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I think you're missing the point. Console players have historically snubbed PC for having to install games, period. They've never had to install games, so a win for console was always "buy game, put in console, play game". That is no longer the case anymore, however, with frequent console OS updates, game installs, DLC installs, game patches, etc.

                                          Basically, this isn't so much about "consoles are worse in regard to install/download speeds" , so much as "consoles used to be better, but are now equal in this regard, so console advocates have lost a potential horse in their race now"

                                          [–]ZanderPerk 7ポイント8ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                          Agreed. I'm straight wifi and had slow downloads. Moved my AC router closer to my ps4 and it downloads huge games in just a couple hours.

                                          [–]Kourageous 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                          The WiFi card in the ps4 is garbage. Its 2.4ghz (why not 5??) And has a very low speed limit. The Ethernet port makes things way faster, though not everybody can or wants to run a cable to it.

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                                            [–]PM_ME_A_PIZZAi7-2600k / GTX 970 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I have 150+ mbps and PSN is always significantly slower for all downloads than either Steam or Xbox Live (all wired connections).

                                            [–]EorlasEorlas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            This is not entirely true. My PS4 runs directly connected via ethernet, and experiences the same problems. My roommate's has the same issue. Any other device in the house will download much, much faster. Our bandwidth is 175 down and 25up.

                                            [–]GODZiGGAi7 3820 | GTX 980ti | ROG Swift PG279Q 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                            I have gigabit internet. I can download a 50 GB game from Steam in less than 10 minutes. A couple hundred MB update from Sony on my PS3 will take 10-15 minutes.

                                            [–]ScousaJi7 3770k | GTX 980 4GB | 16GB DDR3 1600Mhz 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            I don't have a gigabit internet but I can definitely attest to my PS4 having much slower download speeds than everything else I own - I don't know why and tbh it's not that big of a deal seeing as I don't often download stuff but still it's what I experience.

                                            [–]siccoblue 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Changing your DNS and MTU can help immensely with it supposedly, I hit my internet cap speed downloading on mine so I don't know how well it works, but there's a few things you can change in the connection settings thats supposed to make a huge difference

                                            http://www.techworm.net/2015/07/how-to-drastically-increase-the-download-speed-of-playstation-4.html

                                            People have seen genuinely big results doing this

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                                                [–]XenolithiumGTX970 16gb 1866 HyperX Fury FX8350 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I download shit pretty fast on my PS4, too. Most of the time. Sometimes, I have to pause download and resume it a few times before it gives me the correct download speeds. It's annoying.

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                                                  [–]rgbabaAMD FX-9590/2x Radeon 7970 on X-Fire 188ポイント189ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                  Love this sub but I'm going against the hivemind a little bit here.

                                                  I see no significant difference in download speeds between my PS4 and my PC. If anything, it's almost the same. Using a wired connection on both, on average it takes around 2 > hours to download a large game like DOOM to my desktop, or an equally large game like The Last of Us Remastered. Obviously, everyone's connection and download speeds are different and will yield different results, based upon ISP and location, but in a fairly normal situation there shouldn't be that much of a difference. I can get just as much enjoyment out of playing GTAV, Borderlands, and Uncharted on my PS4 as I do playing games like Dota 2, Fallout 4, and Undertale on my PC, but maybe I'm just not a cynical elitist all the time about how my PC can obviously kick my PS4's ass in every possible way.

                                                  /rant, I guess?

                                                  [–]wiltimermort 52ポイント53ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                  I'm with you on this. I though PC Master Race applied to hardware. Download times are about identical between my PlayStation 4 and Steam. This post is just pushing it to me

                                                  [–]LimesInHell 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  I think this post was intended to point out the advertised 'plug and play', when that isn't the case, in some cases you can't play the game when a DLC is downloading as it installs while it downloads. PC the situation can be different, but steam sometimes doesn't let you play the game if it's updating.

                                                  So all in all they both can be equally shitty

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                                                    [–]sir_horsingtoni7-5820k 3.8ghz, 16GB ddr4, gtx 970 SC 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    I get different download speeds between my pc and ps4, most likely due to the wireless cards in both

                                                    [–]trbennett 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    my complaint is that the game requires a download to run at all. I miss cartridges I guess.

                                                    [–]db8cn 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    At launch, my PS4 easily maxed my internet connection just like my PC but after a few system updates, I saw a huge degradation in performance. Yes, both are on wired.

                                                    [–]SpagettInTrainingSpecs/Imgur here 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    My download speeds are trash on PS4 unless I pause and unpause the download a few times. And even then it's up to god whether it will work or not. Connection test says my download speed is 6Mpbs, but it downloads way slower. My xbox in the same room has much faster download speeds.

                                                    [–]TheMuffinMan0311 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I think you're missing the point. Console players have historically snubbed PC for having to install games, period. They've never had to install games, so a win for console was always "buy game, put in console, play game". That is no longer the case anymore, however, with frequent console OS updates, game installs, DLC installs, game patches, etc.

                                                    Hence, OP's title is making fun of their supposed "plug and play" experience now

                                                    Basically, this isn't so much about "PCs are better" as it is "consoles are now worse"

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                                                      [–]0ddStranger 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      To provide a little context, this is rather misleading. Black Ops 3 version 1.12 came out yesterday, and is only about 44 mbs, but due to a glitch it'll show that ridiculous amount of content it has to download. It stops after its downloaded the 44 mbs it needs.

                                                      I'm all for the master race but a better example could've been used.

                                                      [–]DeoxyriBROsePlanned Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/YNvrHN 77ポイント78ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                      no lie, had taken me 28 hours to download witcher 3 on a connection the Ps4 claimed to be at 12mbps. PSN downloads are fucking awful

                                                      [–]EorlasEorlas 27ポイント28ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                      If you have your PS4 setup via ethernet, google about downloading PSN updates/games via proxy. It works wonders.

                                                      [–]MustafaTalebi7 3770 / gtx 970 69ポイント70ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      PC is too complicated they say

                                                      [–]ballmoti7 5930K - GTX 980 Ti - 16Gb 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      2meta2fast

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                                                        [–]Hexical_i5-4660|GTX 970|6 GB| 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        To add onto that, PS4 has a rest mode where it downloads a helluva lot faster than normal. PS4's settings are weird, and downloads can be slow, but there are various fixes across the internet.

                                                        [–]Richard__Rahl 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        PS4's settings are weird

                                                        Very weird. Another thing that baffles me is that the ps4 will automatically restart paused downloads after a while but not downloads that were stopped due to a connection drop. That's the exact opposite of how that system should work...

                                                        [–]TMBSTruthSpecs/Imgur Here 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        EDIT: This calculation is erronous, I stand corrected as I divided by 360 not 3600 for hours. Thanks /u/ktm57ktm57 Witcher 3 vanilla PS4 download size is ~24GB. 12mbps bandwith converted to MB/s (initial_size/8) is around 1.5MB/s give or take 15% variation.
                                                        1GB is 1024MB. 24GB is 24576 MB.
                                                        Approximation since constant speed doesn't happen, and the error increases along the timeframe: 24576 / 1.5 means 16384 seconds which converted to hours (16384/360) means ->45 hours and half. Consider yourself lucky your internet speed exceeded the 12mbps bandwith at some point. Correct me if I'm wrong.
                                                        I'm not fun at parties because I do not attend them.

                                                        [–]ktm57ktm57 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        should be 4.5 hours — one hour is 3600 seconds, but you divided seconds by 360

                                                        one minute @ 1.5MB/s = 1.5x60 = 90MB/min

                                                        one hour @ 90MB/min = 90x60 = 5400MB/min = about 5.3GB/hr

                                                        [–]deltaflipMSI GTX980/i5 4690k 4.4ghz/16GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        /u/ktm57ktm57 is correct. At a near constant speed of 12Mbps it should take about 4-5 hours to download 24GB, not 45 hours.

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                                                            [–]ZeroThePersoni5-4690k | MSI R9 390 | MSI Z97S Krait Edition | 8GB DDR3 RAM 58ポイント59ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                            They are horrible man. I did a side by side comparison of downloading blood and wine on Steam and my Stepdad's PS4. Our Internet service gives me an average download speed of 30mbps and I was done hours before he finished

                                                            [–]PussySlaying420King 22ポイント23ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                            Were they both connected via ethernet?

                                                            [–]ZeroThePersoni5-4690k | MSI R9 390 | MSI Z97S Krait Edition | 8GB DDR3 RAM 32ポイント33ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                            Yes they were

                                                            [–]BaconIsntThatGoodi7-5700HQ @ 2.7Ghz, 16GB, GTX 970m .... + potatostation4. 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            I'm not sure why but it seems like PSN just HATES some ISPs/modem/router setups.

                                                            I hear these complaints all the time about atrocious download speeds but never experience it myself.

                                                            It makes me wonder if PSN uses a P2P network instead of FTP for downloads, since some providers decide to fuck with "torrent" traffic because no one could possibly use it for anything other than pirating.

                                                            [–]CreamyPotatoi5 6600k @4.8Ghz, 16gb RAM, GTX 780Ti, 1080p 144hz, HTC Vive 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            yea PSN doesn't even get close to touching my 100mbps connection even on wired. It can download at an okay speed when it's in sleep mode but when it's on, it's going at maybe 100Kbps or it's stopped completely and requires me to pause it and then resume it to keep going.

                                                            [–]EorlasEorlas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Google setting up a proxy for PSN downloads. Nowadays my downloads just get done automagically while I'm at work, but the few occasions when I actually had to sit there I did the proxy method and it's a much different experience.

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                                                              [–]cuntpuncher_69 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              good thing pc's don't need updates amaright guys?!?!

                                                              [–]capitis_damnoCore i5 3570, GTX970, 16 GB RAM, Samsung 4k Screen 43ポイント44ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                              Holy shit, eleven thousand GB? That's a huge update /s

                                                              [–]Steel_Streami5 3350P, GT 630 Kepler, 8GB RAM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              That's already thousands of times larger than any content Activision pumps out

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                                                                [–]Buzzooo2GTX 760 | i5-3570k | 16GB RAM 29ポイント30ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                Implying PC games don't have updates?

                                                                [–]Jack1998blue8Mb Ram, 1.2MHz celeron 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                Obviously not. It's mocking people who say you can just 'put discs in consoles and play'. Nobody claims that for pc.

                                                                [–]xseanathonx 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                You can. There's a "play without updating button"

                                                                Edit: yes, online games require internet based updates, but single player games really are plug and play

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                                                                  [–]Peasant_SauceR9 270x 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                  Implying that our updates don't take 21 hours

                                                                  [–]Buzzooo2GTX 760 | i5-3570k | 16GB RAM 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                  Maybe not for you

                                                                  [–]Degrui3-3227u, Intel HD 4000, Degru/John Wick on Steam 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  It's more that they ship the game on a Bluray disk, which is like 50GB in size. Then there's an 11GB download on top of that. With Steam you only have to download the game and all the updates are included.

                                                                  [–]Avairce 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  But you can play without the patch or while the patch is downloading, sorta confused why people don't realize that in this thread.

                                                                  [–]irond00m 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  implying you have better internet than the person who it takes 24 hours for?

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                                                                    [–]yummyyummypowwidge 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Maybe if your internet connection wasn't the equivalent of that of a resident of the Australian Outback, you wouldn't have this problem.

                                                                    [–]Nereosis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Entire Australian Nation* No where has good internet unless you're at a univerity or plugged right into the isp.

                                                                    [–]darthirulei7-3630QM - Dual GT750M - 16GB 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                    Ha cause we dont have to download/install games on PCs right guys? ..

                                                                    [–]somboodee 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                    I believe the post is a joke at the false premise of modern consoles being plug and play.

                                                                    It's not that us with PC's don't have to deal with updates and installation times, it's that console guys also have to deal with them.

                                                                    [–]_LifeIsAbsurd 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    The funny thing is that the Ps4 has god awful networking hardware. The Wifi card is absolutely worthless. The piece of junk can't even support 5ghz connections.

                                                                    A $400 device released in 2013 can't support something as basic as 5ghz connections. Ridiculous.

                                                                    [–]I_am_Nic 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    OP is not trying to say that consoles download slower than PC or anything like that - he simply wants to show that consoles are just not what they used to be. To me consoles weren't interesting anymore, after I could not insert my cames disc and instantly start playing, without in installing the games data and downloading patches first.

                                                                    [–]Avairce 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    But you can do that on the PS4, there is an option to play while the patch is downloading. Really need to start doing research before you attend the circlejerk.

                                                                    [–]YaGottadoWhatYaGotta 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Same, I was a console/PC gamer up until this shit started up and said "well fuck it, might as well only play PC now...".

                                                                    [–]audio_pusher 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    well thats better than my speeds on pc.

                                                                    [–]Killinmaster1Pentium@ 2.9Ghz, 6gb of ram, 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Must be nice to have internet that fast it would take me over 40 hours.

                                                                    [–]mjike 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    The screeenshot is painfully slow. I have a 3mb DSL that connects around 2.2 so that ~6gb would take me roughly 12 hours. Don't get me wrong, I feel for you if you are slower than what I have but the OP is crawling as well.

                                                                    [–]tactiima1070, i7 4790k @4.0Ghz & 16GB ram 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    Yup, I just bought a PS4 a couple days ago as well for Black ops 3 since the player count is pretty low on PC and I'm still waiting for a good deal to grab a 980 on later this month.

                                                                    I couldn't believe I had to wait 6 hours to install a 12GB patch. At least let me play offline while its downloading :l But damn OP 21 hours, that sucks man :(

                                                                    [–]HermaphrofightSpecs/Imgur Here 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    6 hours to install a 12GB patch? I have this game on PS4 and didn't encounter any such issue, either you're exaggerating or you're factoring download time into the 'installation' which is totally dependent on your internet speed.

                                                                    [–]tactiima1070, i7 4790k @4.0Ghz & 16GB ram 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    The download is for a patch, not for the game. I downloaded the game and was able to play within an hour after installing. It still had all the original files, even the ark7 (which is how I realized it was a patch) ark7 was the beta version of the kn44. I'm fairly certain its a patch and not a download.

                                                                    there are some ps4 titles that play right away like uncharted.

                                                                    edit : an hour after installing 1GB which I was able to access multiplayer perfectly fine.

                                                                    [–]masterx1234Steam ID: mastax1234 | gtx 970 | i5 4670k | 8gb ram[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    bu... bu.... you just plug it in and it works -a peasant

                                                                    [–]tigrn914Specs/Imgur Here 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    If this is you try plugging in an ethernet cable.

                                                                    The new consoles are still using wireless N which is utter garbage when compared to ac.

                                                                    [–]DerpleNerple2000Arch Linux 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    I don't have a PC right now, but I have consoles. At first I thought wireless was shitty on the PS4, but after running an Ethernet to the console, the speed remained the same.. I feel like they limit it to around 50Mb/s. Keep in mind that Ethernet cable is moving around 700Mb/s down

                                                                    [–]Kraisen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Console or not, that is some shit internet.

                                                                    My console took like an hour to download Black Ops 3. Definitely longer than my pc would take, but this is hilariously bad.

                                                                    [–]fakemalegamerThinkpad T450s 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Perfect for children with no necks

                                                                    [–]DestroyedAtlas 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    My son bought PS4 GTA:V a couple days ago. 45GB download. Fun game, but mother of god.

                                                                    [–]anjodenuncaSpecs/Imgur Here 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    This is so true. Story time:

                                                                    My friends decided to pick up Bloodborne on sale and have been trying to get me to play with them. My PS4 has been laying dormant for over a year--it's subject to crazy beeping from overheating: If I don't take it out of the entertainment cubby, it will beep and auto-eject until I literally unplug it. It drives everyone insane. The cubby isn't small.

                                                                    So I decide okay, I'll take it out of the cubby, but I need to buy another year of PS+. So I take way too long on my browser to try and accomplish this, it's not intuitive at all, I can't edit my payment cards, which have expired, from the purchasing page, and pages keep coming up with 404's and all this shit. Legit takes me 20 minutes.

                                                                    So I finally figure it out. Then turn on the system and find out that it won't connect to the network. The Cat5 isn't working for some reason, so I swap that. I connect and find that Bloodborne needs a 6.5 GB update, which I assume is just them preloading new content that I don't actually have access to unless I buy something. I wait to see how long the download will take.

                                                                    22 hours. 22 hours. I have fast internet, Steam downloads shit at 9 MB/s regularly. So I tell them I'll play with them later in the week. I wake it up 6 hours later to find out that there was also a system update, and that the download rate is still garbage. Good for you if you're getting similar DL speeds between your PC and PS4, but that's not my experience at all. My whole house is cabled because I loathe playing games off of Wifi and PS4 servers dish out content at laughable speeds.

                                                                    Consoles fucking suck dude.

                                                                    [–]SupremoPeteSpecs/Imgur Here 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    So hard to turn on a PC and double click a desktop icon

                                                                    [–]UReallyRTerrible 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    Having just bought a gaming PC less than a month ago.. My ps4 has been collecting dust. I'd sell it but I think I'll keep it just for the sports games.

                                                                    edit: just realized I dropped 400 dollars to essentially play madden, 2k, and a couple of exclusives..

                                                                    [–]victorfriasvvictorfriasv 6ポイント7ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                    Plug, update firmware, install firmware, restart, install game, update game, install update, and finally play! :D

                                                                    [–]ARRuSerious 20ポイント21ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                    Or you could just leave it in rest mode and it does all that stuff while you are not using it.

                                                                    [–]BaconIsntThatGoodi7-5700HQ @ 2.7Ghz, 16GB, GTX 970m .... + potatostation4. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Usually the game will download both the game and update files at the same time. At least it does for me.

                                                                    [–]Altalus 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                    Sigh, you can play the game while this downloads. Stop spreading BS.

                                                                    [–]IAmTriscuit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Okay? But I can't play the game when it's downloading for fucking 2 hours despite my PC being able to download the same size file in 20 minutes, with both using ethernet cables.

                                                                    [–]n3romanSLI 980 / i7-4770k 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    That's not always true. It wouldn't let me play during a 35 GB patch for Halo 5. Took almost 2 hours. This is with 10 MB/s download speeds average on PC.

                                                                    [–]Altalus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Hmmm I must say that I'm a PC and Ps4 player so no XB1 experience for me. But on ps4, as long as you don't play online modes, you can play during patch download.

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                                                                      [–]Blauwy 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      I actually had a dude tell me that "pc's are SO annoying, all those fucking updates!"

                                                                      And he plays XBO, doesn't mind waiting an hour or so dl'ing software updates and so on..wth.

                                                                      [–]Degrui3-3227u, Intel HD 4000, Degru/John Wick on Steam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Yeah, I mean if you're going to ship the game on a BluRay disk, at least have the decency to include enough content on the disk to be able to install the game and start playing right away. I'm not even talking about playing from the disk, because the loading times would be awful. It's just that spending even half an hour installing is way better than downloading 10+GB on my 15mbps Internet connection. I can't even do anything else while I wait because the connection is taken up.

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                                                                        [–]Rhysing 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                        you know that a pc doesn't download it faster, right?

                                                                        at this speed it is the internet speed, not sony's servers that are causing for that speed of a transfer rate.

                                                                        if you buy the game on pc and dl it, it'll take just as long. but this is /r/pcmasterrace so I suppose I'm just talking to a bunch of hypocritical morons anyway.

                                                                        [–]MisterMaggoti5-4670k/EVGA GTX 770 SC 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        The wireless card in the PS4 is shit, though. I feel like that is the route of the problem with my PS4 at least.

                                                                        [–]Plebbar 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        Actually PS4 downloads are slower. I have both and it is noticeably slower for some reason.

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                                                                          [–]thatnitai[W10] i5-4690k @ 4.5ghz, gtx 970 @ 1500mhz, 8gb ram @ 2000mhz 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          op complains about his games being updated with fixes and new features which he doesn't even have to download

                                                                          strange times

                                                                          I do feel for op though, and all of you with poor internet connection. May fast internet find you, in due time.

                                                                          [–]Drudictai7-3770k, 32GB, GTX 980Ti AMP! Extreme , ASUS Sabertooth Z77 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Have they not fucking fixed the horrid bandwidth issues the PS3 had yet?

                                                                          [–]sitdownstandup 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          ITT: people missing the point completely talking about download speed...

                                                                          [–]RobotUnixorn 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          Another reason i ditched the xbox one, (forza6) 60gb download took me about 4 days. (Ethernet all day/night on)

                                                                          With 30mbit ...

                                                                          So after this happens all the time while MP runs splendid, i did call MS Support and they give me the reason, its my ISPs fault (of course) so i went trought different Xbox Communitys and there where two kind of peoples:

                                                                          1. "people" who doesnt had this problem (of course) and told me you were an idiot.
                                                                          2. people who had this problem aswell and where attacked aswell for calling it MS fault.

                                                                          Meanwhile I was downloading all available episodes from The Big Bang Theory in HD in about 20 Hours.

                                                                          Next Gen Servers, what a fricking joke, Microsoft!

                                                                          [–]Skiwai5 6600K, GTX 780, 8GB, 2x 250GB SSD, 144Hz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Plugwait 21 hours n' Play!

                                                                          [–]JSIcey 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          that is just shit internet,i can download a 30gb game in less than 10 mins at most

                                                                          [–]KumaArikesuSpecs/Imgur here 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I never have to worry about this. While I download things on my consoles or PC, I'm usually away shopping or doing other activities. Sometimes I even play Video games or watch movies.

                                                                          [–]firemage22Specs/Imgur Here 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          I remember the old days of just slotting a cart into my NES and moments later bam game time.

                                                                          I should get my NES fixed some day.

                                                                          [–]noakes80 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          If you put it into rest mode and it was still scary as hell.

                                                                          [–]IAmTriscuit 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          Bought a ps4 last night cause I want to play some god damned bloodborne, and of course I had to sit for 3 hours waiting for updates, despite the fact that my PC can download updates at 11.4 mb/s. Why the hell is the PS4's network connection limited so badly?

                                                                          [–]GarlicGamingSUPER POTATO EDITION 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I have my PS3, and a GTA V game, i tried my first online game, and BAM, GTA V was updating.

                                                                          [–]Sleestak714i7 4790K | Strix GTX980ti |16GB ddr3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          PSN is a shit show for downloads. Wifi/wired makes no difference. Prepare to wait.

                                                                          [–]mirageraptor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          If anyone is wondering I heard from a friend putting it in rest mode or something like that makes it download like a billion times faster.

                                                                          [–]CarterDavison5960x w/ H320 | 32GB 3000MHz DDR4 | X99 OC F | Titan X | Pro M 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Still plug and play tho.. Just not a lot of playing..

                                                                          [–]yukinaraIntel 4770k, GTX 980ti G1 Gaming, Samsung 840 Pro 512, Acer X34 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I don't understand. No one here have to download 11gb of game on Steam before? When consoles players talk about plug-n-play, they mean the hardware, as in, just buy the machine, plug it to your TV and that's it, no need to assemble anything complicated.

                                                                          [–]cCattle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          It took me over a day to completely download all of battlefield hardline.

                                                                          [–]Dcm210 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I got Bright House lighting 200 and sometimes it still takes quite a bit. The ETA goes up and down. I think it's a Playstation thing.

                                                                          [–]Vote_Subataii5-4690k | R9 380 4GB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Haha. Try downloading GTA V.

                                                                          [–]JoverbyAsus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          black ops 3 and console....lmao

                                                                          [–]TheBeardedMarxist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          That shit internet connection.

                                                                          [–]Crayola_ROXi5 4690K | MSI GTX970 | 256GB Sandisk Pro SSD |Acer GN246HL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          to be fair PSN is slow as molasses

                                                                          [–]irond00m 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          how about pay to get good internet and you wont have that problem? pc games will go slow also with a bad connection

                                                                          [–]khmr33 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I like my PC well enough, but I also never have this problem with my PS4.

                                                                          [–]OkibaKeyid/OkibaKey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          It get worse with Xbox One, that thing has to install the entire fucking Disk or it wont play, at least on PS4 you only need to get an update even if is freaking big, while on the Wii U you just need sometimes almost never a patch of 500MBs or 1Gbs, future is sure stupid sometimes.

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