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[–]amsxk6 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Back the gravy train up-- you claim that there is not currently a wave of neo-liberal thought that aims to apply CM to the West? Where'd you go to school and what did you study?

PS produces radical subjectivity. It dissolves the relationship between sign, signifier, and the signified. In doing so it dissolves meaning and any semblance of objectivity. Enter Derrida. This eliminates class antagonisms. From these negations, you have the opportunity to use CM as a positive methodology. This methodology is then used to do all sorts of bizarre things like redact the meaning of words: racism, sexism, gender, reduce existence to a power struggle (Foucault) that in turn attempts to derive a coherent universal value system, which it can't. The CM comes into the picture when it inserts its virtue: the virtue of reacting against what it perceives as oppressive forces. These forces? They're the world as a sum of social constructs, abstractions. And yet it is precisely PS that tells us there is no causal relationship between signs and the signified. This is what removes agency from the individual; again, enter CM and its emphasis of the collective.

So, in the end, if one can't fight because the enemy is a faceless social construction, thanks to PS, they'll impose their ethic, as derived from CM, and pick fights with silly things like book covers.

Edit: Ah, and so when PS destroyed all the meaning, CM filled the absence by transforming everything into a thing of propaganda to be used for the macro transformation of society.

[–]Fishing-BearMedical Anthropology | Computing 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm saying there's no such school of thought as "cultural marxism". Also, really? Foucault claiming to derive a coherent universal value system? Have you read Foucault? It was pretty much his project to write against such a thing. And he was strongly against the kind of identity politics you're criticizing. Even if CM existed...How can you possibly claim it to be neoliberal? Critical theorists and some poststructuralists (like Foucault) are heavily critical of neoliberalism. In fact, if you read Foucault's lectures on Security, Territory, Population (which actually contains some of his most acidic writing against Marx), and his lectures on the Birth of Biopolitics, you would see that he was trying to outline how power relations are enacted inside neoliberal settings from a critical standpoint. Moreover, Foucault was totally uninterested in dealing with the symbolic...he plainly states so.

Much of Foucault's (and Deleuze's) work on ethics was about regaining individual agency. I think you might have a case here for disliking Baudrillard, but it's fairly apparent you don't know what you're talking about.

I hold a BA and MA in anthropology and am a PhD candidate in Sociology and Legal Studies, if you must know.

Also, rejecting Derrida is totally fine with me. I'm not a big fan of his sort of analysis, for various reasons.

Now what about your qualifications? Hmm? I'd like to know where you've studied. Someone who claims there's a neoliberal conspiracy against individual agency.....doesn't sound like they're really familiar with the lingo.

Here's a quote from Foucault on the whole language/symbolic thing and how little he thought of it:

"I believe one's point of reference should not be to the great model of language [langue] and signs, but to that of war and battle. The history which bears and determines us has the form of a war rather than that of a language: relations of power, not relations of meaning"

[–]amsxk6 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Dude...the Foucault bit was referencing back to the previous word: power struggle.

Your MF quote supports my position.

CM is both A) critical theory, and B) a method just as much as post modernism is.

You need to read or reread the material, or figure out how commas impact sentence meaning. You're combining things that I'm not saying.

Like I already said: it's a confluence of CM and PS. PS destroys meaning, neoliberal searches for meaning, and then finds meaning in CM.

I never claimed that what's happening is an entirely consistent position. FFS Marx is one of the most widely applied and misunderstood philosophers in history: see Anarcho-communism-- again, another example of turning Marx into a methodology. But regardless, my description is what is happening.

BA/MA Philosophy-- I trump you on this topic.

[–]Fishing-BearMedical Anthropology | Computing 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lmao bullshit bud. Neoliberalism searches for meaning, what? This just keeps getting better. Why don't you cross post this to /r/badphilosophy and see what they think? Plenty of people there with PhDs in Phil who would presumably trump you on the topic by your own standard.

[–]Fishing-BearMedical Anthropology | Computing 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or is your point literally that some people have created a misguided ethics out of cobbling some elements of PS and critical theory together? In which case the point you're making is so incredibly obvious I missed it. It's also not a gigantic sjw conspiracy worthy of a long rant or something called cultural Marxism. It's certainly not part of some neoliberal conspiracy to undermine the academy. That's just undergrads undergrading.

And nothing you've said so far has even tackled why we should consider a textbook cover inconsequential or why being critical of them is pointless.

[–]firedropsReligion & Identity | African Diaspora[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trolling is not accepted in this sub. This is your first and last warning.

For other readers: you're all welcome to debate theorists but we expect you to actually know what you are talking about. Fancy words don't hide the fact that someone is ignorant about something they are discussing.

Cultural Marxism is also a conspiracy theory of the radical right and not an academic concept at all. For a good overview of the conspiracy see:

  • Jamin, Jérôme. "Cultural Marxism and the Radical Right." The Post-War Anglo-American Far Right: A Special Relationship of Hate. Palgrave Macmillan UK, 2014. 84-103.

[–]amsxk6 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, this sub is pathetic.