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[–]Brick79411 1ポイント2ポイント  (17子コメント)

Why does this sub seem to hate Sabaton so much?

[–]ordo259 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

from what I can see, "cool" people rip on Sabaton, so other people see this and join in and parrot the reasons that other "cool" people say.

[–]DMRage 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sabaton is disproportionately attacked because it's throng of followers don't accept the fact they have very little variation in their song-writing. They recycle all the damn time.

That said, they're good performers and know how to play... but it becomes so insufferable when literally every release is just a rehash of primo victoria, plus another rehash and then you get a couple of unique songs per album but it really becomes dampened when the rest of the album just don't stick out.

Then when you critique it, there's some big blowback of people who simply can't accept that they may be doing at least even some recycling.

Sabaton is incredibly popular in this subreddit

Now some people just outright hate them and others try to critique their albums and songs. The biggest problem is the folks who come to the defense of Sabaton seem to be in denial as opposed to actually trying to defend them. Even going so far as to claim the likes of Blind Guardian just recycle as well. So perhaps the wrong people stepped in to defend Sabaton and that set off the others?

Who knows, they're disproportionately hated because they're disproportionately loved.

[–]ikazuka123 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't know what you see but most of the criticism from this sub about Sabaton are pretty legit

[–]ordo259 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

never said it wasn't legit criticism, but I have my doubts that all the people who rip on it are actually believers of the things they say. For example, someone here said that the only way to distinguish sabaton songs is by the lyrics, but I can still tell them apart before the lyrics, so...

[–]mushmancat -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

but I have my doubts that all the people who rip on it are actually believers of the things they say.

Pack it up guys, hes on to us. Can't fool this guy

[–]ordo259 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Coming from the guy known for being a whiny bitch, I take that as a compliment.

[–]qwertzinator 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a huge fan of Sabaton. They're one of my favourite bands. That being said, I don't want to hear the same songs over and over.

[–]mushmancat 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean the band that has had their last two albums win aoty?

[–]U-94 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I've seen it on every metal forum. I always ask for other suggestions for bands that sing about military history. The responses are mostly silent. There's Maiden and Priest covers on this album...I would love the uninitiated to be like "EVERY SONG IS THE SAME" and then explain that to them. Most heavy metal is the same. When I want a different style, I'll reach for a different band.

[–]luckydrummer 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Staying in the same style is something completely different from what Sabaton are doing now which is just taking already used (by themselves) melodies, chord progressions, drumbeats and such and using it again, only writing different meaningless lyrics.

[–]U-94 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I prefer lyrics about real history than anything fantasy or rhetoric about emotional struggles. I'd venture to guess Sabaton have inspired thousands of fans to go learn more about military history on their own. That would be a far from meaningless accomplishment in genre shared by bands singing about raping corpses in the name of Satan.

Musically, there's only so many chord progressions and types of songs in heavy metal that don't deviate from that formula. Judas Priest, Accept, Motorhead all have similar sounding songs. U.D.O.'s discography is littered with them. It does not mitigate my enjoyment. That '2 Minutes to Midnight' Maiden riff is in a dozen classic metal tunes and I can enjoy each one individually.

[–]luckydrummer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

  1. I didn't mean meaningless lyrics in the sense that the dumb masses aren't inspired by them to do sth, I meant meaningless because the lyrics don't have a meaning.
  2. I don't know many PM songs about raping corpses in the name of satan...
  3. of course other bands have songs that sound similar but the difference is, Sabaton have songs that sound exactly the same...

[–]U-94 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. As I understand it, meaning in lyrics for you is that they are not taken a face value, rather they must represent something. Actual history has no meaning but if I wrap it up in a fantasy allegory, suddenly it will have meaning, because an additional layer was added? A song like 'Lifetime of War' is about the waste of life in war due to greed and religion....I do believe there's about 3 or 4 Iron Maiden songs that have the exact same message. I don't often see Iron Maiden skewered for meaningless lyrics.

  2. I was being general for what the public perceives as metal. That's Cannibal Corpse. Ghost is pretty popular right now, here's a Ghost lyric: "Into the source of wisdom Beyond the Bible lies Into the endless depth Of Satan's eyes" - cliche metal occult rhetoric, nothing original there.

  3. To your ears. I can say Overkill songs sound the same. Kreator songs sound the same. King Diamond songs sound the same. The same people writing songs for 15, 20, 30 years will do that.