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Question about Sandy Hook conspiracy theories... (self.conspiracy)

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Obama barely has a few months left in office. Four years after Sandy Hook and he didn't even come close to taking away anyone's guns. What does this mean for conspiracy theorists? It would be a total waste of time and money to pull off such a big "conspiracy" and barely pass any regulation.

And now a mass shooting twice as deadly has taken place (or "faked", take your pick). Four new gun control proposals were blocked by the Senate. It seems pretty clear that mass shootings won't lead to any guns being taken away. In fact, gun sales only go up after mass shootings. It would be more believable that the NRA fakes mass shootings to increase gun sales.

So, you all still have your guns. Sandy Hook and Orlando didn't do shit in getting anyone's guns taken away. Obama is a few months away from leaving office. My question is, will you admit you were wrong?

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[–]agreedis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes people rush to buy ammo and guns though, doesn't it?

[–]callmebaiken 6ポイント7ポイント  (24子コメント)

They keep trying to pass new laws after every attack. The attacks keep getting bigger. Thank God Americans refuse to fall for it.

[–]BopTheDrass[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (23子コメント)

But this is the Senate that turned the regulations down, and they are part of the same government conspiracy theorists claim fabricate all these shootings. The American population overwhelmingly favors increased gun regulation, and polling data backs this up.

If neither Columbine, Virginia Tech, Umpqua, Sandy Hook, Orlando, or San Bernadino could result in a mass confiscation of guns, don't you think it's time to just let these conspiracy theories go?

[–]Arkhamwitch 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

No one is saying its regular politicians or any governing body for that matter. It's the shadow government

[–]BopTheDrass[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The shadow government seems to be doing a pretty poor job at getting anything done.

[–]Arkhamwitch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeh I guess they've just been a bit busy with pulling off the best hoaxes in human history like 9/11

[–]IanPhlegming 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

I'm expecting Obama to make some executive order after the election but before the new president arrives.

[–]GingerChutney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he doesn't please come back and apologize to OP. Conspiracy people aren't accountable to anyone ever. I see "I'm saving this info" quite a bit. Have any of you got to say "ah ha I told you so? No. Ever.

[–]BopTheDrass[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

When he doesn't, will you apologize and give up on the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories? Or will the truthers just shift the goalposts and claim the next president is also part of that same conspiracy? If so, how many more shootings will they need to stage before they actually start to confiscate guns?

[–]DrDougExeter 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

/3. now go pray to your god daawkins so he'll take you to atheist heaven where you can all jerk each other off and cry about the bible for the rest of eternity

[–]IanPhlegming 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Global domination, as pointed out by historian Carroll Quigley, the hand-picked chronicler of "The Network," in "Tragedy & Hope," is not a straight line. The masses are not predictable and often do not follow in the pattern they are intended to be led.

So, no. The goalposts are being shifted all the time, on both sides of this equation. With all the secrecy and lies and prosecution of whistleblowers and increased surveillance, my distrust of the president and his corrupt administration has been well-earned. And I write that as a guy who voted for him, twice. I won't be voting this time, at least not for Donald Clinton.

But I fear I will ultimately be proven right. I'm expecting at least another mass shooting (or "mass shooting") and probably more than one. Hope I'm wrong and you're right. Hope I'm just paranoid and all this shit I think I'm seeing pretty clearly is just delusion.

But I tend to think this is more like Biblical prophecy of the willfully deluded playing out in real time. We'll see.

In closing, I don't expect anybody to read Dr. Quigley's 1200+ page tome in its entirety, but I would highly recommend Joseph Plummer's quick, 200 page synopsis "Tragedy & Hope 101." It will give you a good idea of what's going on. Plummer's made it available for free in pdf on his website: http://joeplummer.com/tragedy-and-hope-made-easy.html

[–]Lifting1488 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

give up on the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories

Kek. You'd have to explain a ton to get me to do that.

[–]GingerChutney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It shouldn't be hard to convince you, you obviously believe anything you are told.

[–]BopTheDrass[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

I shouldn't have to. There is no reason for such a risky conspiracy if nothing comes out of that conspiracy.

[–]whipnil -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

So despite a substantial amount of evidence that it didn't occur the way we're told and actors who were conclusively shown to be involved, because you can't comprehend a motive other than gun control, you'll ignore all of that?

Fail safe reasoning bro ;)

[–]BopTheDrass[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

I really do not see any other realistic reason why they would go through with it if not for gun control.

The "staging" is another story, I can tell you if there really was a shadow government that could pull off mass shootings, they would just send a gunman to actually shoot up a school instead of wasting time and effort on staging the entire thing. And even if they did use "actors" they wouldn't use the same ones twice, as some of you imply.

[–]monkey-see-doggy-do 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.emsworld.com/article/10716209/mass-casualty-incident-training

Again I think you may be lazy or just or unimaginative. Understanding these things takes work and an open mind. Flipping your hand over your shoulder waving it all away while uttering 'crazy' under your breath is your prerogative but know you look the fool when you come into a conspiracy forum and expect to ramble on this fashion. Here you can see I.C.E and maybe get a glimpse as to another reason why a drill would be played out.

https://jenniferlake.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/sandy-hook-early-birds/

[–]whipnil -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's still not the right approach though. You must go where the evidence takes you. Just because they have so far been ineffective at controlling guns, doesn't mean the narrative hasn't evolved substantially. The second amendment is a very significant piece of legislation. It's not something people would just consent to over night despite a shooting or two. Port Arthur massacre in 1996 was an early part of shaping this narrative too.

The thing is that the elite actually leave clues for us. As much as they are controlling the population through their shenanigans, they're actually initiating others simultaneously (for both good and bad purposes). I've never been to any kind of meeting or anything but I would say through my foray into the world of conspiracy I could perhaps be described as an initiate of the gnostic illuminati.

[–]BopTheDrass[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is also significant evidence that the shooter really did exist and really shot those real children, but I'm more interested in why they would even fake a school shooting in the first place if no gun confiscation would occur. Because if that question has no answer, there is no basis for any conspiracy theory. How many shootings until they start to take guns away? It didn't work with Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Orlando, etc.

[–]KnightBeforeTomorrow -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you set out to rob a place but too many people saw you checking out the security measures at length, You might not rob that particular place after all. Too many people were on to the setup. That's also what happened with Jade Helm. Too many people watching intently for any shenanigans to be put into play.

[–]mjschreff 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It seems funny that people automatically speed of gun control when they are supposed to be grieving or tramatized.

[–]GingerChutney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wish you knew how bad that sounds.

[–]whipnil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish you knew how it appears that you're all over this thread in damage control.

Ever heard of Rico?

[–]babrams76 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

Maybe the goal isn't to "take away people's guns."

[–]BopTheDrass[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

What could it possibly be then? I can't think of any other scenario that would require the elaborate staging of multiple mass shootings.

[–]IanPhlegming 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

To live in constant fear and distrust of our countrymen.

[–]BopTheDrass[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

But why? What would that accomplish? Wouldn't a false sense of security and complacency be better for conspiracies to take place?

[–]kankurou1010 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fear is the best way to control people. Look at all these confirmed false flags http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/41-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html

Governments and authority have been using fear as control since the rise of civilization

[–]BopTheDrass[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Control them...to do what? Give up their guns? These shootings only increased gun sales. What would be the beneficial outcome of keeping everyone in fear that their kid will be killed at school at any moment?

Nobody is saying there are no false flags. But saying an entire school shooting was fake and 28 entire people never existed is on an entirely different level. The amount of people who would have to be in on that would make the conspiracy unfeasible. It would be far easier to just send a real gunman to actually shoot up a school.

[–]IanPhlegming 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think there is a false sense of security and complacency as well, partially rooted in a fear to face reality. TV and authoritarianism go a long way.

[–]TheRealEFG 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

To create division and fear amongst the societies that experience these events, in order to further an unknown agenda.

A mass event like 9/11 is easier to analyse than a mass shooting because of the footage, eye witness accounts, and evidence available.

Take this story about the murder of MP Joe Cox: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/labour-mp-jo-cox-shot-in-west-yorkshire

There are around 5 conflicting reports of what happened from eye witnesses, making it near impossible to correlate the information. That's only 1 news article too, if I went through the other coverage of that event, there would no doubt be more conflicting accounts. This has happened with mass shootings I've read about in he U.SA too. A lot of information is obscured through its reporting, or by releasing a variety of conflicting accounts.

The end goal? Only time will tell... I'll enjoy the speculation in the meantime.

[–]BopTheDrass[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm just concerned that it's a waste of time. So far there is no reasonable end goal to conclude, even after the hundreds of shootings a month.

[–]TheRealEFG 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reading is something I enjoy, so its never a waste of my time. I read official and unofficial narratives, not to agree or disagree... But to form my own opinion based on all the information available at that moment in time.

As more evidence or speculation on events comes to light, and that information can be correlated with other sources, then I may change my beliefs accordingly.

I must agree, the alternative evidence surfacing from mass shootings can be far-fetched. Some information is factual however, and cannot be dismissed so quickly...

I generally follow the rule that there is no such thing as the truth. There is your truth, their truth and the "gods honest truth". I respect your opinion, and have enjoyed this discussion so far.

[–]DrDougExeter 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wrong about what? You don't seem to understand that this forum proposes possibilities. You aren't supposed to come here and expect everything to come true. Do you understand what a theory is?

[–]BopTheDrass[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

What possibilities? Sandy Hook truthers have stated that the Obama administration staged Sandy Hook so that he could take everyone's guns away. This didn't happen. Will you all apologize for saying Adam Lanza and the children who were killed never existed?

[–]GingerChutney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's one of the biggest insults in American history for citizens to erase these names from the record. It is just as big as an insult to accuse parents of being actors or "not acting like they have a dead child". Do these "crisis actors" not have at least one former friend, with a heart, that would expose them? It's really that simple. You can't have a conspiracy to commit anything if your main players are regular people.

Right now most people's BEST FRIENDS are giving away your deepest secrets, and they nothing to gain. Now imagine you have a secret that could bring down Obama overnight and you can make TENS OF MILLIONS from it. That's a secret that's out before the end of the day at Sandy Hook. But, the only evidence anywhere relies on normal mistakes from extremely early info from a network or CNN.

[–]whyd_you_kill_doakes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I fear you're basing your opinions of the majority off of a vocal minority.

[–]whyd_you_kill_doakes 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I fear you're basing your opinions of the majority off of a vocal minority.

[–]BopTheDrass[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very vocal, apparently. I've not heard many alternate theories, and every time I search up Sandy Hook I'm bombarded with websites telling me the shooter never existed and that everyone was a crisis actor. I hear these same theories from Alex Jones and others like him.

[–]captain_teeth33 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

If you think there isn't a push to get rid of weapons after these incidents, you're wrong. It happens every time.

[–]BopTheDrass[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

But it all seems very ineffective. If anything, they're only getting more guns into the public sphere. For a shadow government that can stage entire mass shootings without getting caught, they sure are incompetent.

[–]captain_teeth33 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

of course they are incompetent. they are idiots.

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    [–]whipnil 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You drones are becoming increasingly ineffective against the truth.

    [–]RichieNewRich 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Some marketing campaigns work better than others. Doesn't mean there wasn't a goal.

    [–]monkey-see-doggy-do 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I get the feeling you know little about SH. Corruption in Newtown PD, scandals at st rose of Lima, the Trentacosta's or the Wheelers high level DNC connections. You seem to think no laws have been past, I suggest you look again. If anything the NRA are blocking them. The one that comes to mind was them sticking a shrink in the schools but many more came out of SH. I believe the NRA is as corrupt as anything else in this country, Christ people can't even sell girl scout cookies without there being theft and corruption.

    I do not blame you for not wanting to spend days/weeks/months researching all the shady characters, inconsistencies or flat out lies with SH. For the people who have you sound as though your using this post to try and justify not doing the work or even subconsciously protecting preconceived notions(bias).

    Just the evidence of photoshopping with SH or Bing and Google cache dates should have prevented you from vomiting out this pretentious post.

    [–]clovize 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    These are multi-level frauds, with

    1. gun control being but one element.

    2. There is the victimization stance which allows the aggrieved to proceed with their agendas such as gender fluidity without criticism.The subset of this is gaslighting, or calling truthers or "conspiracy theorist" crazy, such as what the poster is doing here.

    3. There is a mental health and pharma agenda, and that extends so far as "pre-crime" detection or get em before they "act out."

    4. There is a Muslim demonzation boogeyman agenda in the case of Orlando, Paris, and others. There is a "right wing nut" demonization fantasy being promoted as well

    5. There is large scale charity fraud and looting from government involved.I believe global crime syndicates and the media are behind this.

    6. There is promotion of and expansion of the police state, sales of equipment, security services, etc.

    7. There is an effort to take control of the internet and to curtail free speech using the misnomer "hate speech" and nonsense like "radicalized on the internet". This links backed to the victimization stance.

    8. It is a form of black magic or agit-prop mind control to run live tests of what they can pull off on the population.

    9. There is a power grab where federal agencies such as the FBI and DHS grab jurisdiction over local police in any crime they choose.

    10. Creates fear and synthetic realities which promote a problem-reaction-solution atmosphere.

    11. The satanists behind these hoaxes and/or false flags are sick, evil twisted psychotics and psychopaths. They feel superior and get their kicks from this. My term for this is the "get off factor."