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Remove /u/TheRealAnacular as mod. he is telling people to kill themselves (self.investing)

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here is a screen shot as he has deleted the comment now: http://imgur.com/KIBBDre

This is unacceptable, he should be removed and banned from this subreddit. Most of his other comments are toxic as well.

Edit: if we want to get technical, I'm pretty sure he is breaking rule #4 in the sidebar

Edit2: here are the rules in case you didn't see them: http://imgur.com/0wkNiK7

Hopefully the mods enforce their own rules

Edit 3: CrasyMike has responded and the mod has been removed. Hopefully we get some good discussion out of this mess and improve the overall quality of this subreddit. thanks everyone

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[–]CrasyMike[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (10子コメント)

We're trying to avoid acting with too much haste, but we've had a chance to have a little talk among the modteam. At this time the mod being discussed is now removed from the team.

The rest of the modteam is sincerely sorry about how we've probably annoyed the community a fair bit, and possibly caused some people to feel bad about this community. This is coming directly from the other mods, and from myself. I think I was very annoyed this morning because I felt that some of the flak coming my way was unfair, but at the same time I had it coming when I commented with a Distinguished flair and tried to avoid making any instant and clear actions. Furthermore, I am still trying to figure out exactly what went on and I don't know that I had a clear grip on what exactly was said. I have always been very proactive on Meta posts and usually it goes well for me and adds to the discussion. Today it did not.

We have a plan to write another meta post possibly in the next day or two. The main reason we won't be writing it today is mainly to organize some other "ideas in progress" about the community.

I would like to discuss some key topics about moderation in that post since I have personally helped develop some of the policies about how we interpret Rule #4 and how we treat spam and self-promotion. I want to inform the community about what those policies are, and consider if you all have any further feedback. This discussion would be less about what happened today and more about how to treat things going forward. It has been a long time since we've had a lengthy Meta-Subreddit Discussion and therefore this is probably overdue.

Further, the other thread regarding moderation has been locked. I did this to bring the meta discussion in one place. It is hard to comment twice about the same issue in different places.

[–]Indy_Pendant 192ポイント193ポイント  (12子コメント)

Jesus, that is ... I mean, I've had to be a mod to some real pricks before, but that's beyond juvenile. Part of the job is having the ability to handle assholes without stooping to their level, not play "Who can be the biggest twat?"

[–]P1mpathinor 54ポイント55ポイント  (4子コメント)

Part of the job is having the ability to handle assholes without stooping to their level, not play "Who can be the biggest twat?"

TheRealAntacular has always loved playing that game (and has repeatedly admitted to basically as much) long before he became a mod here. And while it was entertaining at times, it's completely inappropriate behavior for a mod.

[–]Mr_Toyota 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

completely inappropriate behavior for a mod anyone.

[–]snowdog74 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not sure what the mods were expecting. Ordinarily what you'd want is to build a useful community people want to be a part of. Antacular, who is by most accounts an insufferable cunt, was already making people miserable. Then one day I inadvertently reply to a thread from here that made it to /r/all (I don't ordinarily bother with this shit show any more) and antacular comes running out of nowhere like a trained monkey, announcing that he's been made a mod. Yes, really.

It shouldn't get to this point. When it gets to this point that tells you the mods aren't doing their job. Crasy_mike has been told plenty of times before that antacular is harassing people. This isn't mature. This isn't grown up. A good mod knows how to foster positive discussion and discourage personal attacks. Antacular does the exact opposite of both.

That behavior may have been tolerated in places like IRC, but Reddit wants to be something more prominent and have a real user base. They can't meet their goals of growth and harbor sociopathic shitlords. They have to choose. If the mods do anything short of permanently banning Antacular, notify the admins. You are completely within the right course of escalation to do so as the mods answer to previous complaints about this shitlord was to make him a mod...

[–]stanleysince1913 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with /u/snowdog74. I have seen people harass snowdog for no good reason. Bullying is not acceptable in grade school, it shouldn't be accepted here.

You can disagree with a persons opinion or thesis without starting a personal vendetta.

[–]TheRealAntacular -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almost 2000 upvotes, and I was waiting for you.

[–]stanleysince1913 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

not play "Who can be the biggest twat?"

Everyone loves a winner.

[–]hablamanos2 101ポイント102ポイント  (9子コメント)

lolol, he is just trying to tell you to invest in apartment buildings and rope manufacturers, drive your tenants insane with random rules and fees, and then buy life insurance policies on your tenants. (which are tax free gains if someone does die). Helps to set up the rope store on the other side of the street.

Impossible to lose on that investment.

[–]zsaile[S] 53ポイント54ポイント  (7子コメント)

Oh man, I'm so dumb, how could I have misunderstood that when it was so clear.

As a renter, is there any way I can short this scheme?

[–]hablamanos2 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

Manufacture anti-suicide nets to hang outside of the apartment buildings. Use the same materials as the rope manufacturer, driving up the cost of the raw materials, until they go out of business. Since the rope store owns the apartments, they will need to quickly sell the apartment building... buy the apartments. Take down the suicide nets, tear them apart into rope, and then start your own rope store.

Edit: It's not quite shorting... more of like new management.

[–]zsaile[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Haha, I dunno if it was you or someone else but the first reply was great too.

Either way, could you bundle this up into a Vanguard index fund for me? This sounds like a lot of work.

[–]hablamanos2 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I will hire a 13 year old computer hacker turned financial engineer to create a sort of Vanguard fund of funds for you to buy. Main risks include hurricanes destroying our most fibrous fiber farm, sinkholes crippling our supply chain, and rogue profiteers trying to use us to smuggle marijuana by way of "hemp rope".

[–]manisier 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just hedge in alternate fibres like hemp. Double efficiency because you get to hedge on the weed smugglers too

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    [–]13104598210 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Which REITs have the most suicide-friendly units? I'm ready to buy.

    [–]twoambien 87ポイント88ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Rule #4 obviously doesn't apply to him as if you look at his history, he breaks it in most of his comments in this sub. He's a toxic user that should be banned. Why he was made a mod instead boggles the mind.

    [–]op_sucks_penis 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Sub went downhill in a big way when he became mod

    [–]accountbased 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why he was made a mod instead boggles the mind.

    2 reasons.

    1. people buy into politics

    2. they know someone.

    I been to few forums where mods destroyed the sites.

    [–]stanleysince1913 49ポイント50ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I think the people have spoken tonight.

    [–]Going_Native 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The mods don't care

    [–]SmarticusRex 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is close to being the most upvoted thread on this subreddit.

    [–]Cujolol 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I sure admire the mods, your job isn't easy with all those conflicting interests. And you're investing your valuable time to make the experience better for all of us, which is very admirable.

    But common, have a minimal amount of decency and refrain from posting suicide invitations. Doesn't matter if you're a user or mod, that's not cool.

    [–]Martin_444 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I have no clue why he is a mod in r/investing, but he would fit perfectly for r/wallstreetbets. However, it seems like mods don't really do much in here anyway so it doesn't really make a difference, I guess.

    [–]logic_card 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Reddit has 2 kinds of subreddits, places where memes and banter drive the discussion and places where people are only interested in the topic. You're not going to see any trolls on /r/origami for instance, likewise the mod there would have to be extravagantly sad if they felt the need to dominate the subreddit, wooo the hardcore super serious world of origami, no, it is just a place for people who like origami. /r/investing should be like this.

    [–]StampAct 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I can believe Martin Skreli destroyed this sub

    [–]Dogfacedgod 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

    So since the higher ups Mods dont want to do anything, should we get the admins involved? Joking or not, that comment wasnt cool - especially for a mod. If anything he should have apologized and I sure that would have been suffice, but since he is acting like a remorseless petulant child along with the higher up mods. I think it's time to get the site admins involved and force their hands. In the meantime, I am unsubscribing because this is nothing I want to be a part of if these are the folks running this place.

    [–]zsaile[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I messages /u/spez last night, no sure how to do an 'admin report's otherwise.

    [–]TheRealAntacular -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In the meantime, I am unsubscribing because this is nothing I want to be a part of if these are the folks running this place.

    Why do you want us to ask you to stay?

    [–]witchsbrew 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

    What's with most of the mods on reddit being pieces of shit? Almost all the mods on big subs are tyrannical assholes.

    [–]SaturdaysOfThunder 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Dealing with idiots/assholes all day from a position of power makes you jaded. I'm not saying it excuses the behavior, just that it's mildly understandable. You don't really see the behind the scenes activities a mod deals with when they are in charge of a sub. Lots of whining, banning idiots, banning spam, users complaining about rules, etc. It's a really thankless job. You're only noticed for the 1 bad thing you do, and the 1000 good things you do get glossed over.

    Also, even comments like yours "most of the mods are pieces of shit" goes to show what a thankless job it is. In actuality, it's probably like 1-3% that are shit, and the rest are good, but you never notice them. When they do their job properly, you basically never notice them.

    [–]witchsbrew -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    In actuality, it's probably like 1-3%

    Not really. A lot of mods of subs with even a few thousand users are on power trips and use their minimal authority to push their agenda and be a dick. There are hundreds of examples. Check out /r/undelete to see the shit that goes on daily. And that's the tip of the iceberg.

    [–]SaturdaysOfThunder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm not saying they all the deletions are perfect, but most are probably in violation of the sub rules in some form or another. The most up voted one of the past day was from a science sub and was the source didn't meet their criteria. That doesn't really make them agenda-pushing monsters, just they're enforcing the rules of their sub. Don't like the sub rules, start a new sub or ask to change the rules. I don't really know what else to say.

    [–]Talks_To_Cats 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "most of the mods" don't make waves and do a great job. A handful of loud assholes ruin it for everyone. It may seem like dozens of mods are fucking up, but remember that Reddit has thousands of mods out there.

    That said, I've modded a few (non-reddit) boards, and if you ask 20 people how a group should be run, you'll get 21 opinions. Sometimes you just need to do what you think is right, and accept that not everyone will like your opinions.

    [–]lolheyaj 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Even the tiniest, most pathetic little bit of power will do that to people I guess, and shit breeds shit so once you get one, you get a lot more.

    [–]PsychologyAddicted 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Who the fuck cares. I am trying to get some kimchi for cheap at my town in Korea.

    [–]unclefire 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hmmm. So is /r/investing now like a dope fiend hitting rock bottom?

    Can we actually get some better postings and discussions now?

    [–]CrasyMike 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wouldn't call it rock bottom, but more like an Extended Case of the Mondays. Definitely that.

    [–]twentytwodividedby7 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Guys, is it sad that one of the top 5 posts on this sub is the exposure of a mod being a dick? Just an observation

    [–]zsaile[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Top 3, might be top post if it keep going at this rate.

    [–]TheRealAntacular -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "exposure"

    [–]facherone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Get him out.

    [–]AngryZulu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hell no . .I love Lingus dingus and cleatus

    They are the true bell weather of the US economy.

    They must stay

    [–]thuglife9001 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Nearly 900 upvotes LOOL, edit: 1.5k LOLOL

    [–]TheRealAntacular -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If we hit 2000 Christmas will come early

    [–]GRosado 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He trolls other subreddits, this isn't my first time seeing his name.

    [–]meleva 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Did you report him ?

    [–]twoambien 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The other mods are well aware of his behavior. I reported him and he did the same shit in modmail for them all to see.

    [–]zsaile[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ditto, 'who mods the kids?'

    [–]juicyja 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

    He's the only one not letting this place turn in to a pump and dump platform. A few years ago, this sub used to be about finding long term value stocks. Relatively recently it has turned in to "Let me tell people about how I invested all my money in TSLA and made my first million" or "I've got this too good to be true investment you should invest in."

    To me, it seems the only time I see /u/TheRealAntacular causing trouble is when some shithead is trying to peddle really shitty advice.

    Investing is a long and slow process of looking for tenths of percents. It's not whale hunting. Telling people that they can make 15% risk free on tax lien bonds or pumping up some shitty penny stock so some kid can blow his grandparents inheritance is a really irresponsible thing and /u/TheRealAntacular is the only one of the mods active enough to let people know when they're spewing bullshit.

    Settle down. It's the internet and have the presence of mind to realize that a platform for telling people how to spend their money needs to exercise extreme caution lest someone comes looking for you based on some bad advice someone on an internet forum gave.

    [–]TheRealAntacular 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Appreciate it. Guess we're back to TSLA and AMZN threads!

    [–]ahminus 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Investing is a long and slow process of looking for tenths of percents. It's not whale hunting. Telling people that they can make 15% risk free on tax lien bonds or pumping up some shitty penny stock so some kid can blow his grandparents inheritance is a really irresponsible thing and /u/TheRealAntacular is the only one of the mods active enough to let people know when they're spewing bullshit.

    Mods don't need to be here for that. Nor should they be. The majority of subscribers will scream "index funds".

    [–]TheRealAntacular 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Mods don't need to be here for that. Nor should they be.

    So long as I didn't hurt your feelings!

    [–]ahminus 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    So long as I didn't hurt your feelings!

    You hold yourself in far too much regard. :)

    [–]TheRealAntacular -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    And yet, here you are, Hall Patrol.

    [–]ahminus 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm not patrolling anything. What was the purpose of comment locking something and not just deleting the thread?

    [–]TheRealAntacular 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What was the purpose of comment locking something and not just deleting the thread?

    Why are you so hung up on the difference?

    [–]juicyja -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Mods don't need to be here for that.

    Yes. Yes they do. The things they are attacking is not investing, they're attacking people advising you to roll a roulette wheel. Giving that advice (and not recognizing its inherent extreme risk/stupidity) without knowing anything about the person requesting the advice is dangerously reckless and negligent.

    [–]ahminus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They're as much about investing as all the other shitposts that appear here daily.

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      [–]Heartless1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Where do they find these "mods"? Reddit has a real human capital problem...

      [–]MSFmotorcycle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      While we're on the subject, why is every single thread getting locked

      [–]MoonStache 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What a piece of shit.

      [–]DT4P-2016 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Mentally ill mods must go. Make /r/investing great again.

      [–]renegadecause -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      /sigh/ This:

      Make /r/investing great again.

      Will forever more remind me of Donald Trump.

      [–]SteamedCatLitter -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Good. Maybe you should invest like Donald?

      [–]unclefire 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You mean get millions from daddy, then borrow from daddy to fund projects, then get sweet heart deals on tax abatements?

      [–]BeatArmy99 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I remember that kid. He insisted that nuclear weapons had made war obsolete.

      [–]renegadecause 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      He caveated that with "traditional" war. As in superpower vs superpower, which isn't untrue.

      [–]MrMoustachio 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      He said said he would kill himself in that situation. He did not tell someone to.

      [–]AngrySquirrel 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      There's no real difference between "kill yourself" and "if I were you, I'd kill myself."

      [–]CrasyMike[M] -104ポイント-103ポイント  (64子コメント)

      In only half-awake and planning to go to sleep again, but I just handed out a good bunch of three day bans to anyone spamming this thread, or saying awful shit.

      Those people got a three day warning. Nobody else after this comment gets a warning.

      Edit: Kinda funny sidenote. I found TRA's joke in bad taste, so I did enforce rule #4 on it and I removed it myself, not TRA. I wouldn't ban anyone else over it though.

      Edit2: We are going to have a serious talk as a modteam. I've started that talk. That what is going on right now.

      Edit3: I'm gonna go ahead and step away from this thread for a bit. Partially so I can continue my day and partially because I'm not doing so hot here. I don't feel like I've brought anything useful forward to this thread. I'm pretty annoyed with this whole situation and I'm going to bring that to our little modtalk. I think SOMETHING needs to change about how this was handled, at minimum.

      However, again, this thread needs to be somewhat civil. You can be mad, but derogatory terms are still something that isn't ok. Most of that derogatory shit is directed at other users, not mods, and that is NO GOOD.

      [–]TRogow 48ポイント49ポイント  (14子コメント)

      Did that list of bans also include the mod harassing people for having a legitimate complaint about them?

      [–]1964peace 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Is the mod going to be removed for suggesting that OP should kill himself? That actually violates site wide rules

      [–]KingOCarrotFlowers 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Seriously, if he doesn't get banned I'd escalate to the admins. It's unacceptable behavior that needs to stop.

      [–]mythofdob 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

      So, bans to people in this thread, but because a mod broke the rules, it's "a joke".

      Wow.

      [–]Erra0 59ポイント60ポイント  (15子コメント)

      So you're saying you can't be arsed to wake up enough to deal with upset users and an immature mod?

      If you guys want this place to be /r/wallstreetbets then that's fine, I love that sub. But don't pretend to be a serious sub about investing while you allow your mods to troll.

      [–]whatdoiwantsky 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

      The point is, he's not anyone else: He's a mod. Shouldnt that mean something?

      [–]anonyymi 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

      So you're saying you mods here are almost as bad as at /r/news. Okie dokie.

      [–]KRSFive 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Holy shit, this is going to be good

      [–]Teddy-Westside 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "Joke"

      [–]loveinthesun1 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Edit: Kinda funny sidenote. I found TRA's joke in bad taste, so I did enforce rule #4 on it and I removed it myself, not TRA. I wouldn't ban anyone else over it though.

      IMO you should ban anyone who says something that disrespectful unprovoked Even if you disagree about this for a normal user, mods should be held to higher standards than other people. Even if he doesn't get a ban, he certainly shouldn't mod this sub.

      [–]CrasyMike -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I think the main disconnect is that I don't get to solely make the decision here. I do feel like I'm know what I want to see done, at a minimum. But I want to talk to others mods.

      [–]loveinthesun1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You should talk/listen to the users, not other mods. If the vast majority of people want that kind of immature disrespectful shit to be ban-worthy, it should be ban worthy. Same if the vast majority of people here want him gone, which looks to be the case.

      [–]yunogasaii18 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The fuck? The idea that you wouldn't ban such a terrible and toxic user, a MODERATOR no less, is absurd. You're the reason why Reddit has such a shit-filled hierarchy.

      [–]insane_mclane 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah uhhh piss off

      [–]Chaotics_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      As a mod, they are a representative of this subreddit as a whole and while you would not ban anyone else, a mod should be held to a higher standard. You do NOT want a subreddit that is rebelling against its mods...

      [–]jatjqtjat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Maybe as part of that discussion, also talk about what the goals are for the subreddit. What should attitudes and topics should be promoted?

      should speculating out oil prices be permitted? Posts like, what do you guys think about XXX Stock? DD on individual stocks? etc.

      [–]lolheyaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Pathetic. What makes you, or any of the mods, want to keep such a toxic and shitty member?

      [–]machbio 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Blatant misuse of power.. Go on Moderator, ban us all..

      [–]naroom -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Please don't change anything about this sub, I like it here.

      TRA is an ass, but he's a hilarious and knowledgable ass. And he keeps the idiocy at bay.

      If you bend to the will of the torch-and-pitchfork crowd, this place is going to be boring and all the good people will leave.

      [–]CrasyMike -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      That's why I think we just need a good serious chat, and maybe a followup with the community.

      [–]QuickSpore 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Seriously?

      You have completely missed the point 90% of your users are making. None of his good qualities matter anymore. He has taken things beyond the pale. Once you have encouraged a user to commit suicide, how funny he is isn't relevant anymore.

      He is now a cancer to this forum. If you don't remove him now, you'll look back in future months as the moment this subreddit became a shitshow. He's lost the majority of the community's respect. And you are on the edge of losing it as well.

      You have a mod that encouraged a user to commit suicide. A shot has been fired. The forum you knew is gone. The majority of your users have clearly been voting solidly against that mod. You have two choices now in front of you, lose a single mod, or lose your community. It sucks that you've had that tossed in your lap, but a "serious chat" isn't going to fix this.

      [–]TheRealAntacular 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      how funny he is isn't relevant anymore.

      That's where we're gonna have to agree to disagree.

      You have a mod that encouraged a user to commit suicide. A shot has been fired. The forum you knew is gone.

      LMFAO

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