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[–]QuietuusPhD in Youtube Atheists 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

“An aristocracy has a sense of history and blood lineage, seeing itself as biologically representative of the people it serves.”

This is ridiculously bad history, even leaving aside the presentist notion that people in the past somehow understood post 19th century concepts of heredity. I can think of plenty of examples of situations where aristocrats have viewed themselves not just as culturally, but ethnically distinct from those they rule. Look at the situation in England between 1066 and around the 1300's; many Norman aristocrats hardly spoke English, especially early on, and Anglo-Norman French remained the language of Court for years. There's an embedded cultural legacy of this distinction; think about the Robin Hood legends, or the oft-remarked fact that English uses Anglo-Saxon words for animals but Norman French words for the meat they produce (the English farmed the animals, the Normans ate them).

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Also, and again, not 100% sure on this, but weren’t Celtic people Germanic too?

Not in kooky racist terms. There's a tradition of viewing them as distinct but complementary brands of whiteness among racial mystics; I have read older works (wracking my brains trying to think of titles) which portray the Celts as the 'soul' of whiteness (artistic, spiritual etc.) and Germanic people as the 'brains' or 'vigour' of whiteness (inventors, engineers, soldiers etc.) Since HBD is basically a thin scientific veneer over racial mysticism, I suspect this is what they're going for.

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Heartiste

An indirect introduction to the great man's thought, if you can stomach it. Fun trivia: I got my first ever piece of reddit gold for illustration Heartiste's assertion that the second world war could have been avoided if Hitler had learned to be a pick-up artist.

[–]mudanhonnyaku 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got my first ever piece of reddit gold for illustration Heartiste's assertion that the second world war could have been avoided if Hitler had learned to be a pick-up artist.

I remember that post from my lengthy lurking period on Reddit...

I really wonder how interested these folks actually are in attracting converts as opposed to preaching to the choir. I mean, how seriously can you take their pretentions to intellectualism when it generally takes only one or two clicks on sidebars to get from blogs that write in dry tones about IQ scores and time preference, to blogs that are festooned with Confederate flags and filled with rants about "gibsmedats" and "sheboons"?

And their FAQ/introductory site being strewn with links to Heartiste of all people... maybe I'm giving the average man on the Internet street too much credit, but I can't help feel that unless a reader is already deeply immersed in the red pill/alt-right/neoreactionary worldview, his first and only reaction to Heartiste is going to be complete revulsion.

[–]SnugglerificThe archaeology of ignorance 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of it comes from 19th c. Romantic "Celtomania."

[–]smikimsliterally the Protohomosexual 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

or the oft-remarked fact that English uses Anglo-Saxon words for animals but Norman French words for the meat they produce (the English farmed the animals, the Normans ate them).

Is this actually accurate? It seems like one of those cutesy stories your middle school history teacher tells you that's at least a gross oversimplification if not outright false. Honestly asking, I'm no expert on English history.

[–]QuietuusPhD in Youtube Atheists 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, the reasoning may be a bit just-so, but it checks out etymologically. Old English pic becomes pig, Norman French porc becomes pork. Old English becomes cow, Norman French boef becomes beef. Old English scǣp becomes sheep, Norman French moton becomes mutton. Old English dēor becomes deer, Norman French venesoun becomes venison, and so on. The general rule is that Norman French words for refined products replaced Anglo-Saxon ones. It could have course been that Anglo-Saxon lacked specific terms, (preferring constructions like 'pig-flesh') but it fits with a general pattern whereby words of old French origin are higher register.

[–]A_Beatle -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

which portray the Celts as the 'soul' of whiteness (artistic, spiritual etc.) and Germanic people as the 'brains' or 'vigour' of whiteness (inventors, engineers, soldiers etc.)

Does that make Slavs the "body" of whiteness?

[–]CandyAppleHesperus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, silly. Slavs aren't white, they're just pale asiatics.

[–]DsagjiiggsScjjigsjsb 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fantastic Part 2, thank you. I linked it here if you're curious.

And if they think eugenics is good because Plato proposed something resembling it, I'm waiting for the day they suggest the expulsion of all actors from the world.

[–]LaoTzusGymShoes 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everything should go to the best flautist!

(or whatever instrument it was, I ain't rummaging through my books for this)

[–]FouRPlaYFlair is a social construct. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two days late, but flute is correct.

[–]cordis_meluma social science quagmire 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

Oh dear. This might come into positive use, if only because we know their dogwhistles.

[–]TheZizekiest[S] 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was thinking, if I actually finish this I would have read more race realist literature than most of them

[–]cordis_meluma social science quagmire 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a sadist. Finish it, so that I can be more SJW and use terminology there for future AM configurations.

[–]DanglyW 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this point I can say I probably have.

[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

We should just build response-pastas.

Especially for that one really popular Stormfront Pasta that is always getting posted on the defaults.

[–]cordis_meluma social science quagmire 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh, I prefer the no-platform policy.

[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've left me no choice; it's time to open up /r/TrueBadSocialScience.

[–]DanglyW 28ポイント29ポイント  (14子コメント)

One of my favorite CoonTown doublethink points is that African was a paradise and never required ingenuity to master, whereas anything outside of Africa was HARSH! and RUGGED! and MANLY! and thus civilization had to be developed to survive the WINTERS! or whatever.

Or that Africa was super harsh and never allowed for civilization to flourish.

Because googling 'climate of Africa' gives you just one clean, stable number.

[–]DsagjiiggsScjjigsjsb 9ポイント10ポイント  (13子コメント)

I mean, southern Iraq isn't exactly known for its brutal winters...

[–]DanglyW 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

A good deal of Europe is known for it's beautiful weather.

A larger deal of Africa is known for it's incredibly seasonal weather. The notion that ALL of Africa anythings is hilarious, but the notion that Africa doesn't have seasonal growing seasons is hilariouser.

[–]nota999 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Southern Iraq also isn't in Africa

[–]DsagjiiggsScjjigsjsb 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

No. What's your point?

[–]nota999 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

They were talking about the climate of Africa and you brought up Iraq

[–]DsagjiiggsScjjigsjsb 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was responding to a common claim racists make, which Dangly repeated, ie that Europeans are somehow more intelligent and capable of civilization because they had to deal with cold winters:

African was a paradise and never required ingenuity to master, whereas anything outside of Africa was HARSH! and RUGGED! and MANLY! and thus civilization had to be developed to survive the WINTERS!

Southern Iraq, the center of Sumer, is not known for cold.

[–]nota999 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, I had missed that you were talking about Sumer. Thanks for clarifying that.

[–]Thoctar 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

One of the few things they got right is explicit processing, though knowing them they'll try to spin it into something horrific.

[–]TheZizekiest[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Their use of scientific terms is hella intetesting. They get the basics pretty spot on, then have limited/incomplete definitions for morr complex ideas. It'd full on psuedpscience smoke and mirrors. "We're scientists, take us seriously! Look, we know the basics so we must be legit!"

[–]PopularWarfareMarcuse was a Totaltarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

offtopic, but norcal Represent?

[–]TheZizekiest[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm assuming that means North California? No. You got the Ocean right, but I'm on a different Pacific land mass.

[–]DanglyW 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They get the basics pretty spot on

Ehhh...

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[–]TweetsInCommentsBot 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Let's face it, women's sports leagues are a joke. They should stick to what women do best: fucking, birthing, mothering.


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[–]Doldenberg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Historically, aristocrats originated as a military caste and have tended to be fairer-skinned and taller than commoners (e.g. the "fair princess"), both in Europe and North Asia.

The "fair-skinned" and "blue blood" part is correct, though it is not rooted in ideas of race, but class. A pale complexion (and accordingly, the visibility of the blue veins) showed that one did not need to work outside and get burnt by the sun. It is also a more recent phenomenon then they believe, most likely only truly appearing during early modern times. Early aristocrats were, as said, a warrior caste, and only later began to became wealthy landowners with mostly administrative positions.

And, as others have pointed out already, the part about representing blood lineage is also remarkably naive since often enough, aristocracy have ruled over populations of entirely different ethnicities, and not just in modern times.

Interestingly, I see some obvious parallels to so called "Hamitic theory", used by European imperalists in the 19th century. To make it as short as possible, race theory at that time had sort of a crisis when it turned out that the supposedly oh so inferior negroid races had developed hierarchies and centralized governments far beyond what Europeans expected them to be able to. To remedy this, they made up a "hamitic" racial origin (based on the biblical figure Ham and descendants who started an exodus into sub-saharan Africa and were supposedly more "far skinned" as well) and said that everyone in a ruling or influential position in those societies belonged to it. This was of course entirely baseless, so European authorities arbitrarily declared who belonged to which supposed race. For example, the ongoing pseudo-racial conflict between Hutu and Tutsi, leading to the Rwandan Genocide in 1994, is based on German officials declaring that everyone with more than 10 pieces of cattle belonged to the Tutsi, the ruling class/race.

Celto-Germanic: A person with ancestry from the British Isles (e.g. England, Ireland, Scotland, etc.) and a Germanic country (Germany, Sweden, etc.). The majority of white Americans could be classified as Celto-Germanic.

This already reveals their huge fallacy, which is that they underestimate migration in ancient and late ancient time; most importantly the Migration period; making the whole concept of race increasingly useless. Even before the Migration Period, "celtic" tribes wandered all the way into modern-day Turkey and Ukraine. They also extended down to the Iberian peninsula.

If we look at the British isles, the Anglo-Saxons (Germanic) invaded those and assimilated the Celto-romanic (we're not even looking at what happened BEFORE the Romans invaded) population. Then, they were later subdued and ruled by Normannic invaders, which got assimilated as well. There's also a certain Nordic influence, both through the orignal Saxons and later the Vikings.

Spain gets even more complicated. It was first settled by native Iberians, colonized by Phoenicians (Middle East) and Greeks, later ruled by the Carthiginias (Northern Africans), then the Romans, during the Migration Period, first the Suebians (Northern Germanic) invaded and build a kingdom and were then eventually subdued themselves by the Visigoths (originally Northern Germanic as well, later descended down to the Black Sea and then into the Eastern Roman Empire; although no one really knows, could be that they only formed as a definable ethnic group when already north of the Danube). There was also a short interlude involving the Vandals who later descended down to Northern Africa (and then back into Italy). Finally, the muslimic Moors (which also lead to a huge immigration of Jews). As you can imagine, all of those happily interbred, so it's practically impossible to say whether modern Spain is "Celto-Germanic" or not.

[–]SoCCantKillMeRead into movies like i'm F*cking Zizek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This kind of social science is a shameful disgrace to bad social science