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[–]CaliGozer 335ポイント336ポイント  (94子コメント)

Please let him debate. You don't have to support him or Libertarianism to understand how important this is.

No more red vs. blue. No more the lesser of two evils. Make votes matter again, even as an underdog.

[–]Xing_the_Rubicon 24ポイント25ポイント  (17子コメント)

If he gets to 15% nationally in the polls, he'll get to debate.

Same rules as everyone else.

[–]plazman30constitutionalist 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

Those rules change every 4 years. It's 15% in four different polls now. Jill Stein should also be allowed to debate.

[–]WizOfTime 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would be interested in seeing him debate about Net Neutrality and why he is against it.

His idea on the subject is great, but I find it very unrealistic given our present congress and the current state of our government.

I know what he says about Net Neutrality and why he opposes it. Can anyone give me a realistic version of what he would do about the subject instead? Not the idea of it, but what would physically need to be done by him. I'm not too clear on this issue with him and would love some clarification.

All I get told is that he wants to dismantle corporate ogliarches. That's a great idea, but how is he gonna do it?

[–]Midwest_Product 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jill Stein should also be allowed to debate.

Why?

[–]corleco 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because fairly enforcing rules is important and if she gets the numbers to debate, she should be able to.

[–]plazman30constitutionalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cause she's running for president.

[–]ItsQuietTime 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which polls? How do we participate?

[–]plazman30constitutionalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your guess is as good as mine. No one ever mentions that.

[–]kajkajeteJohnson / Classical liberal 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

When Bloomberg asked the CPD, they said they might lower the threshold a bit. So I believe that if he keeps polling in the teens they might invite him.

[–]Unhinged_Member 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, the same rules meant to maintain two party rule.

The Commission on Presidential Debates is literally a Republican and Democrat controlled entity.

Edit: Word.

[–]frackzillaancap 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everything in this country is a Republican and Democrat controlled entity. Has been for 100+ years.

[–]CutlassSupremoancap 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It use to belong to the League of Women Voters, until the D's and R's got a taste of Perot as a 3rd party candidate. After that election the party bosses came to agreement to push out any hope of that ever happening again.

[–]ickykarma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In all seriousness. Where are these polls? I'd like to give him one upvote from me.

[–]dvdtray 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Add in Sanders and that's a pretty sweet line up.

It'd be a good mix of different political philosophies but the dems & reps would never allow it.

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    [–]JackBond1234 29ポイント30ポイント  (16子コメント)

    I'm prepared for the downvotes, but in all honesty, Johnson is the least of three evils. If we weren't here to compromise at least a little, I'd go for Petersen and many others would go for McAfee or others.

    Johnson is an alternative, and that's okay.

    [–]yougonnagetit 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think that's fair, but this election year in particular a ticket with two former governors is the overwhelmingly best choice.

    You want someone with a proven record that can show some semblance of stability in a year where you have a criminal and a reality TV star running.

    [–]storm345931 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mcafee could run for reelection by reminding us to renew our subscription.

    [–]ThinkFirstThenSpeak 25ポイント26ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Petersen is a douche. How can you honestly prefer him?

    [–]Sin-Bo 33ポイント34ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Not only that, he is a nobody Internet blogger (and a lousy one at that). A ticket with Petersen on it is a ticket to irrelevance. Don't even get me started on grade-A creep John McAfee, a person of interest in an ongoing homicide investigation. And libertarians wonder why our friends and neighbors look at us and roll their eyes.

    [–]probably__mike 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Im rolling my eyes because building a house, starting a business, governing a state, and climbing a mountain say nothing about the political goals he's accomplished and the results of those accomplishments. Terrible adverstisement for a candidate

    [–]UniverseChamp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "I've made a lot of money" and "Let's build a wall" seemed to work for Trump.

    [–]mc_md 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I like McAfee, from what I've heard the guy say. He's got good opinions and he's eloquent.

    I don't know what to make of the homicide investigation but his account is rather convincing. Anyway, even if he is a murderer, Hillary has me convinced that it wouldn't hurt his chances.

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      [–]Nosrac88 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Prolife maybe.

      [–]plazman30constitutionalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      McAfee is a glory hound that lies just to get attention. I don't even want to admit he's a Libertarian.

      [–]Jondarawr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      MAKE VOTING GREAT AGAIN.

      [–]alpacafarts 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Most likely this will happen: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5iZl5LGornI

      Please note I'm only linking the Robot Chicken sketch because I think it's funny and not meaning to disrespect anyone's views.

      In all seriousness, I'm intrigued. Can someone provide a link that will give me a low down on all his views of key issues so I can educate myself?

      [–]3507321C 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      https://garyjohnson2016.com/issues/

      [–]ickykarma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Here, let me google this for you...

      [–]alpacafarts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thanks! Fascinating - he supports term limits for Congressman. It does make sense after all.

      [–]JusDan1234 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Anyone should be able to debate.

      [–]Nosrac88 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      There has to be a cutoff somewhere. We can't have hundreds of people. I think it should be, on the ballot in enough states to win

      [–]JusDan1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Very fair point, however, I do believe every citizen, given enough political support like Gary Johnson has, should have the ability to participate in the primary debate.

      [–]plazman30constitutionalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Don't know why you got a downvote. Anyone should be able to debate. Not just the top 2.

      [–]NoLifeMatters 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Even as a technocratic nihilist that only tends to agree with libertarians on social issues I see no reason why he, and all other alternative party leaders, shouldn't get to debate.

      [–]Cloughtower 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      A who the what now? Never mind, I don't care.

      Nah that'd be dumb, but they should lower it to 1%-5%

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        [–]ElranzerDaily Reminder: Trump is no Libertarian 40ポイント41ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Likely, if the CNN Libertarian town hall has a positive effect, any debates that CNN hosts may in fact allow Gary Johnson in them.

        They're currently treading the waters to see if they want to include him as a weapon against Trump.

        [–]kerouacrimbaud 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Do we know which networks will host the general election debates yet?

        [–]PhinsPhan89 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The general election debates are not run or hosted by a network (unlike the primary debates). They are setup by an independent commission and all major networks air them live.

        [–]TheMrNickColorado Libertarian 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        independent commission

        It needs to be noted that this "independent commission" is comprised entirely of Democrat and Republican leaders who do not ever want their parties threatened. Hence why you never see 3rd parties at debates involving Dems and Repubs since Ross Perot.

        [–]ElranzerDaily Reminder: Trump is no Libertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Not yet but it can be safely assumed that CNN will be in on that.

        They've hosted to most primary debates by far. It's their bread n butter.

        [–]Barefoot_Raphsode 103ポイント104ポイント  (92子コメント)

        Why does he always talk about his mountain climbing. I get it - it's cool. But it in no way qualifies you to be president, nor indicates what sort of president you would/could be.

        [–]TheWarlockk/r/libertymovement[S] 56ポイント57ポイント  (72子コメント)

        It's an indication of his character. Climbing Everest is no small task, it's not something you buy. It takes determination and intelligence.

        [–]IT_Libertarian 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I don't know why he doesn't just throw out some talking points about his time as Governor in NM. Great guy, Best hope for 2016, Bad Public speaker.

        [–]Barefoot_Raphsode 44ポイント45ポイント  (43子コメント)

        I mean... sure? But how does it demonstrate he would be a good leader? Also, it says mountains - not Everest, I think "I've climbed Everest" is stronger.

        • Started a business
        • Governed a state
        • Defended freedom

        Those things are good and on message. Building a house and climbing mountains just don't fit in with the narrative. The fact he has climbed a mountain doesn't make me more likely to vote for him, just like the fact that Hillary or Trump hasn't climbed a mountain doesn't make me less likely to vote for them.

        I'm looking at who I want to lead the country, not who is going to lead my next thru-hike.

        [–]matts2 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Defended freedom

        That is just bluster. Every candidate says they are for freedom and liberty and America.

        [–]CristianMingles 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        The difference is (for better or worse) he really does defend freedom almost to a fault. My understanding is that he is for complete legalization of drugs of all kinds, discontinuation of regulations on business including the Environmental Protection Agency, freedom to marry and fuck whatever as long as its consensual. He defends freedom to a level of being irresponsible. I love just about every other thing he says and the other things he says scares the shit out of me.

        [–]sukui_no_keikaku 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Liberty over security. I just creamed my pants.

        [–]frackzillaancap 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        "The difference is (for better or worse) he really does defend freedom almost to a fault." Unless you're a jewish baker.

        [–]aerosplat 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Building a house and climbing mountains just don't fit in with the narrative.

        It's the narrative that he's a "doer". He gets his hands dirty. He's active.

        They're not meant to be central campaign appeals. They're just meant to reinforce the notion that he's not just another suit in another lavish office.

        Note that I'm not saying that these things are true. I'm just pointing out the angle they're going for.

        [–]MadManManc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm sort of invading here as neither a Libertarian nor American, but the "I've built a house" is the thing that I liked the most in the above picture.

        Not just because of the hands on attitude, but because it makes him seem like a person who can take on a big and complex task that's important to his family and then follow through and complete it.

        [–]FlawpyRed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Not just Everest, but all the Seven Summits.

        [–]Parrotheadnm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Irrelevant Irrelevant Relevant Irrelevant Irrelevant

        [–]LtGaymer69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You can't win an election with just qualifications. People will overlook logic for character. Look at Sanders. He wants to give free college to everyone, break up big banks, and all sorts of nonsense. How he would do that, I have no idea. But he has such a devoted following because he seems like an honest guy who will stand up for the little guy.

        The mountain and house thing makes Johnson seem strong and determined. Personally, I'm not voting for him because of that, but it will at least catch the attention of people catching a glimpse from the outside.

        [–]surfnsound -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Also, it says mountains - not Everest, I think "I've climbed Everest" is stronger.

        We can't admit we even outsource our mountains to China

        [–]mspk7305libertarian party 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

        You very much buy your Everest summit, frequently to the tune of over 200 thousand dollars.

        [–]WFOpizza 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        it's not something you buy

        Pretty much this is how you do it these days. Lots of money and lots and lots of support.

        [–]jwescampbell 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Except, you do buy it.

        [–]EpicBomberMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah, it is expensive af, but that's only half the battle. Even if I had the cash for the best stuff, I doubt I could climb Everest.

        [–]RES_KnowsYourSins 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I love GJ, and I climb mountains and agree with you.

        But me spending 55% of my annual income to climb Everest and pseudo-quitting my job for a few months is different than a millionaire wanting to achieve something. Keep in mind his net worth is still in the millions, and he can pay for the best equipment, guides and sherpas each season. It shows determination, but can also be seen as "look at this millionaire doing as he pleases while my family is on unemployment"

        Not sure how you think climbing a mountain shows intelligence.

        [–]usernamesareshorther -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He climbed the 7 summits, not only the Everest, so it's not only a matter of money, but also willingness and skills (and he earned his money by himself, making his own business that employed in the end more than a 1000 employees=aka 1000 family that could be fed thanks to his work, not like a certain GOP candidate that inherited of everything).

        [–]trznx 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

        Oh, so he climbed Everest? If he climbed Everest you should say so, because "mountains" sounds like "well okay, so?". I've climbed mountains, it's no big deal. Anyway, that's really cool on it's own but doesn't really relevant in presidential race.

        [–]usernamesareshorther 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He has actually climbed the 7 summits. That means he climbed not only Everest, but also the tallest mountain in every continent (yes, even Antarctica), but most of people ignore what the 7 summits are, so it's easier to say mountains.

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          [–]sexdrugsnrocknroll 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          it's not something you buy

          Actually, in today's day and age, it's exactly something you can buy

          Edit: To clarify, I'm referring to the well-documented plights of sherpas paid handsomely to afford as easy of an ascent of Everest as possible for super rich dudes. Not saying Johnson did this in any way.

          [–]Ironman-mk42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          30k USD to buy all the required passes and a full trip guide at the moment.

          [–]ChieferSutherland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It also takes a lot of money..

          [–]StargateMunky101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Never heard of him before now.

          Didn't even realise there was an independent running.

          But if he is, then there's no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to stand and participate in the public debates.

          [–]manderson-phd 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          It is actually something you buy, the majority of Everest climbers are doctors and lawyers. The sherpas carry everything. It is only impressive to plebs

          [–]usernamesareshorther 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          He climbed the 7 summits, where are the Sherpas in Antartica?

          [–]manderson-phd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ok, that's significantly more impressive. Denali is even harder than Antarctica or Everest and also has no sherpas.

          [–]TattooSnob 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Not really. It's for tourists now. Anyone can do it.

          [–]Offended_Christian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think it's just to be taken as a metaphor that he can face and conquer challenges since mountaineering obviously has virtually nothing to do with politics. Okay, maybe except for Mt. Rushmore.

          [–]DMoneys36 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Christ people. It's just something cool he did. It shows character. If Bernie did you dorks would be screaming about it

          [–]ItsGr33n47 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Building the house is the same for me. Yeah, hard work and all, but it's not the kind of stuff I look for in a leader of a nation.

          [–]ThisIsNotKimJongUn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          More of a qualification than having a vagina and being married to a former president.

          [–]pleasure2kill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          He's the kind of guy who probably listed all of his hobbies on his resume

          [–]gaboon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You're kind of right in the sense that the average person doesn't really "get it", so it gets lost and just looks like attaching a random hobby. Anyone who hikes or backpacks or climbs knows how mentally challenging alpine climbing can/would be. Not sure if it's worth mentioning above or with a top 5 achievements while running for office, but it certainly attests to mental fortitude and will. You can't cheat your way to a high-altitude summit.

          [–]spyd3rweb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Johnson could probably take over for Goldsmith as The Most Interesting Man in the World

          [–]gunsofchekhovia 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          The only qualification that Trump has is "I'm a billionaire." He talks a lot about his businesses, which have seen more than one bankruptcy, and one of which (Trump University) was nothing more than a scam. So if being an actual criminal is now a qualification for President, why not mountain climbing?

          [–]MerryGoWrong 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          So if being an actual criminal is now a qualification for President

          Hillary's got that one down more than Trump, to be honest...

          [–]ginjaninja623 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

          I disagree. A person's character is important in determining what kind of leader he/she would be, and not simply their policy positions, and character is shown by things not directly related to politics. I don't need a president who climbs mountains, but I want a president with the determination, courage and intelligence that climbing everest requires. Also, while many people care about policy only, a significant portion of the population vote on things like this. Some vote for trump because he's a strong business man. Some vote for hillary because she's not trump. Part of running for president is branding, and he needs to brand himself as stronger and outside the establishment to pull trump supporters and experienced and less crooked than hillary to gain her voters. The average voter unfortunately is uninformed and votes based on feeling, so it makes sense to list mountain climbing as a qualification, even if you don't think it is. At least that's my opinion.

          [–]matts2 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Are you saying that people who climb Everest, or mountains in general, have a better character in terms of being president?

          [–]StargateMunky101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Depends if the climb mentally scarred him for life or something.

          [–]Bonzalez 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It exemplifies character traits which would be desirable. To say that climbing a mountain would make someone the better candidate is a little silly of course.

          [–]matts2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It exemplifies character traits which would be desirable.

          Self-involved effort.

          o say that climbing a mountain would make someone the better candidate is a little silly of course.

          He is saying he is young.

          [–]ginjaninja623 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Personally, I think it shows a lot of positive qualities, but that's not to say those qualities cannot be shown through other endeavours. What I think isn't important though, what's important is that I think the people will see it that way. So, to answer your quotation, kinda? It's part of a larger picture that shows positive character.

          [–]matts2 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I think it comes across as "I can't think of relevant factors so I'll talk about irrelevant ones." "Let me in the debate because I do marathons" is the same as "I can't think of a valid reason to let me in the debate".

          [–]ginjaninja623 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Good point. I think to convince people to let him debate he should be more offensive and point to his sanity and credibility and his opponents lack thereof. I think that will interest people in what he has to say. And then when people ask why he should be president, climbing fucking everest can be mentioned to show character.

          [–]StargateMunky101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It also depends on the issues he stands for.

          an ultra-determined candidate who wants to nuke the world for example is not a good combination.

          You have to add the two factors together and hope they still equate to a positive.

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            [–]KillaMemesOnThaSwarm 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Sponsoree by Coors, the rugged political man's beer

            [–]jsm11482 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Nice job.

            [–]emoposerJohnson/Weld 2016 15ポイント16ポイント  (10子コメント)

            Because we hate collectivism by nature, it's hard for us to rise up as a collective to raise awareness for Johnson.

            [–]matts2 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

            That is an actual problem. Libertarianism at its core rejects the political process. Makes it hard to succeed in the political process.

            [–]gunsofchekhovia 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Libertarianism at its core rejects the political process.

            Eh. Anarchism does. I'm not sure libertarianism has to.

            [–]el-toro-loco 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'd say Libertarianism rejects the status quo, but we have to work with it in order to change it

            [–]matts2 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            With the caveat that there are more than 57 varieties of libertarianism I think that both reject the political process. Politics is the way groups make decisions for the group. Libertarians seem to reject that. They might accept that in some cases it would be necessary but it is still an inherent wrong.

            [–]gunsofchekhovia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I don't think so. Libertarians can, and many do, believe in the rule of law. I think we can agree that the group can make certain decisions: for instance, that murder and theft will not be tolerated. Having a mechanism in place for establishing and enforcing such laws is not inherently offensive, so long as it is appropriately limited.

            [–]elementalist467 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

            So you are saying organising libertarians is like herding cats?

            Johnson, Stein, and other fringe candidates basically need polling numbers that suggest they are contenders before they will be given debate time and they need debate time to boost their polling numbers. Long live the two party system!

            [–]matts2 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Funny how we had 2 parties before we had televised debates.

            [–]braindamage05 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            eh.......

            The last real 3rd party with a significantly different platform and message was the Bull Moose Progressive Party under Roosevelt. That was still over 100 years ago.

            Strom Thurmond was prior to the TV era but he ran under a platform that could be summed up as "identical to Democrats but way more racist."

            George Wallace was after the TV era and ran basically under Thurmond's platform.

            Ross Perot is after the TV era but he was completely independent. He had a different message but he was completely Independent of any party or movement.

            [–]matts2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The Progressive Party lasted one round as a major party and caused their least desired candidate to win.

            That said you are not disagreeing with me so why the "eh"?

            [–]elementalist467 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            There were three for awhile. The natural evolution of first past the post elections is two dominant parties.

            [–]GOALVECHKIN8voluntaryist 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Hopefully he's more prepared than he was in the LP debates, where he didn't even have an answer when asked about the abortion issue. Or the GOP primary debate he was part of in 2012, when he was so forgettable that pretty much no one even knows he was a part of it.

            [–]shadowplanner 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Well you also have the problem that being in the debates does not mean he will be given equal time. If they carefully decide what questions they want to even target at him and allow him to answer then it effectively would have him standing there and doing nothing. IF by some magical means he does get into the debates this is almost assuredly what would happen.

            [–]GOALVECHKIN8voluntaryist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            As far as limited time, Ron Paul had limited time in GOP primary debates, and still made a big impact by being principled and unapologetic. I watched the GOP debates in 2012 an didn't know Johnson was in one of them until a few weeks ago.

            This still doesn't address how unprepared he was just to debate Austin Petersen and John McAfee. He didn't have an answer to some basic questions. If he is that unprepared in a general election debate, it's going to reflect poorly on libertarians in general.

            [–]shadowplanner 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yep, but Ron Paul is a good example. There were cases where the question asked those in the debate had to do with medical and health care and how it would impact the system. Ron Paul is a medical doctor and was NOT asked those questions. Where the questions go is often carefully crafted. Ron Paul built up a movement and it was obvious by the poll results that MSM was censoring him. If he took third in a primary they'd OFTEN list on the news 1st, 2nd, and 4th and leave him completely out. That happened when he took 2nd as well. I was a delegate in 2012 and pledged myself to Ron Paul at that time. I was also involved in 2008. Though how rigged things were in 2012, it is far worse now.

            [–]kajkajeteJohnson / Classical liberal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Have you seen his 1994 or 1998 gubernatorial debates? He was awesome there. Like, hands down winner.

            Its not the same to debate an ideology than to debate policies.

            [–]Nevro 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

            While not being much at all of what could be considered "libertarian", I'd find a third-party candidate on the debate stage with the two major party candidates a great moment of political history.

            The message I've heard from Johnson's supporters is one that I could agree with: having Johnson on the debate stage should be considered good not because of Johnson's politics, but good because of the symbolic anti-partisanship message that such a moment would have.

            [–]kajkajeteJohnson / Classical liberal 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

            If you are polled please answer Johnson.

            [–]Nevro 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Wow! Believe it or not, I've never considered this. In a three-way poll, I'd most definitely answer Johnson: it only furthers my ideal of challenging the partisan structure of U.S. politics. I find no ethical problem in answering Johnson at all, for me.

            [–]kajkajeteJohnson / Classical liberal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Thank you very much! Lets bring down the two-party system!

            [–]Willravel 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Clinton, Trump, Sanders, and Johnson. America exists across a broad spectrum from ultra-progressive to ultra-conservative, not across a narrow centrist spectrum between corrupt establishment Democrat and egotist neoconservatism warmonger. Libertarian and progressive values both belong in the national debate.

            [–]ankyle 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

            building a house and mountain climbing have what to do with his credentials to run?

            [–]6daysincounty 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Why don't we let the Greens debate also

            [–]Jay12341235 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

            It's these tacky memes we create that make people think we're a fringe party

            [–]lgaarman 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

            lol every other candidate has tacky memes as well

            [–]THE_IRON_KENYAN 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            tacky memes are what made donald trump so popular lol.

            my point is, if we want freedom to happen, we have to shitpost into overdrive

            [–]SeaSquirrelmoderate libertarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I think Hilary wins the "tacky memes" prize.

            [–]TheWarlockk/r/libertymovement[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I'm not sure if you've been on Facebook lately. But occupy Democrats has some of the most I'll informed and cringy memes ever. Same with the comical conservative. This is a simple image that makes Gary Johnson easy to digest for voters.

            Quit the cynicism, it doesn't help anything.

            [–]Jay12341235 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "No one should be critical of our shamefully tacky memes!"

            [–]thehomiemoth 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Clinton fan here; I'll sign a petition to get him on the debate stage just show me where. I think most people would like to see more than two perspectives.

            [–]throwcripes 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

            I have done half of the things on that list and I would be a terrible president. Is this really a good logo? I am not american so I have no feelings towards this guy and his election one way or another but I think this ad is kinda blah, I don't see why those credentials should impress me.

            [–]gunsofchekhovia 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I don't see why anyone should care what impresses you, but--it's a list of things that make him both relatable to actual human beings and qualified as a leader. The Republican candidate for President this year has done exactly one of those things and has zero other qualifications, period. Gary Johnson is a significantly more qualified leader than Trump, who has a guaranteed spot in the debates.

            [–]throwcripes 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Well yeah, my opinion obviously doesn't matter in practical terms because I am not an american voter, I was referring to the effectiveness of their ad in the readers, it was totally not personal.

            About the debate I believe you, I imagine he must have plenty of qualities going on for him or he wouldn't have any supporters, saying he is more qualified that Trump is not necessary tho, again that doesn't seem like a great accomplishment on par with enjoying mountain climbing.

            [–]gunsofchekhovia 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            saying he is more qualified that Trump is not necessary tho, again that doesn't seem like a great accomplishment

            It doesn't seem like it, you're right. Unfortunately, Trump, as gloriously unqualified as he is, is guaranteed runner-up for President this year. A reasonable electorate would've laughed him out of the primaries, but we didn't, so being more qualified than him is actually sort of relevant.

            [–]throwcripes 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            That comment was kinda tongue in cheek although personally I wouldn't have used the Trump card that way in an argument. For what is worth I think it is crazy you guys don't get mandatory debates except for the final candidates, hopefully this will change one day. Good luck with the election.

            [–]gunsofchekhovia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Eh, the election is already decided. I think what we (most of us anyway) are after is not a Libertarian Party win but some recognition that the way things have been done for the last few decades isn't the way they have to continue to be done. And I think Johnson polling as high as he has been is a step in that direction. It'll be interesting to watch.

            [–]HookLogan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            How does climbing a mountain make one qualified to be president? If you want to be taken seriously maybe don't promote yourself in silly ways

            [–]Hypnosix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            How does being racist and shouting insults get one the republican seat? Its about connecting to people and showing that you have a character they approve of. Climbing is hard so showing you can do the hard stuff gains you points with people who want a strong leader.

            [–]Lordsnoww 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What can people do to actually help make this happen?

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              [–]HomeRunHero 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

              People who don't want outsiders running will usually attack their lack of political experience/business experience (back in the day, they'd target military service). This graphic is saying that Johnson is just as qualified as the others running, so why not include him?

              [–]rosebudlols 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

              and their hiking experience

              [–]HomeRunHero 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Could be to protect his health perspective. That's what people attack Christie for is he wants to ban marijuana because he thinks it's bad but he's obese.

              [–]mistersalmanVote Gary Johnson 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              That's a solid point. Christie supported the ban claiming we stoners wouldn't have self-control or something like that. That motherfucker weighs at least 300 lbs and has reportedly spent gross amounts of state money on baseball game snacks. I don't think he's in the position to tell me what self-control is.

              [–]HomeRunHero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              There is video of him pouring a smaller bag of M&Ms into a bigger bag of M&Ms.

              Here's the infamous frame

              [–]littlecheese49 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Wondering the same thing

              [–]Jackrabbitslims0701 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I was thinking the same thing

              [–]TheWarlockk/r/libertymovement[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (10子コメント)

              You can't be serious.

              [–]KJew 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

              I guess most was the wrong word, but why are building a house and climbing mountains included in his credentials?

              [–]GenitalDiddler 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Character references. Very important to many voters. Also showing that he has done a wide variety of things. Climbing Mountains you assume healthy. Building a house, you assume blue collar work is not beneath this man. Starting a company you assume he understands business.

              [–]Bigfrostynugs 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

              I feel like climbing Mount Everest (and the rest of the seven summits for that matter) says a lot more about a person's character and ability to overcome difficult situations than most political credentials that candidates brag about.

              The fact that he built his own house showcases that he's hardworking and not some uppity rich snob looking down on the working man.

              [–]mspk7305libertarian party 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Uppity rich snobs hire Sherpas to carry them up Everest and hire workers to build houses. These items aren't relevant and shouldn't be listed.

              [–]Bigfrostynugs 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Uppity rich snobs hire Sherpas to carry them up Everest and hire workers to build houses.

              Except Gary Johnson properly climbed Everest (and dozens of other impressive mountains), and built his house with his own hands.

              [–]matts2 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              So working hard for personal achievements that help no one else is a positive trait in a president?

              [–]Bigfrostynugs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              No, but the ability to finish what you've started, overcome incredible challenges, and keep a level head in extreme situations are.

              [–]mspk7305libertarian party 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's a legitimate question. I don't care that he's built houses, not when Trump will counter that he's built communities. I don't care that he's climbed mountains, not when Clinton will just counter with some equally unimportant nonsense.

              He is a former governor. His VP nomination is a former governor. He's the only candidate with executive experience and his VP also outclasses the other candidates in that. Focus on what matters, not stuff that detracts from the issues.

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                [–]ctrlAlt_repeatgeolibertarian 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I love him and I want to see this guy debate, but he really needs to find a better platform than "I climbed mountains so I can run a country".

                [–]itsrattlesnake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I think it acts as an interesting hook for people unfamiliar with him.

                [–]KaiMolanLet the Liberty flow through you 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Let's make Trump and Clinton #FeelTheJohnson!

                [–]Jaelup 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Agreed.

                [–]psufan5 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I don't know much about him - but why the hell would he NOT be able to debate as their candidate? This is ridiculous.

                [–]Hypnosix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                He needs 15 percent of the polls before the debate committee will deem him relevant enough to include.

                [–]Medveded 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I personally would think it would be pretty cool to have him in the debates.

                But why the daguerreotype aesthetics? Fundamentally, I want someone presidential to be my president. Making him look like a field worker from the 19th century is just crap marketing, in my opinion.

                [–]purplecabbagevoluntaryist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Gritty enough?

                [–]Trump4king16 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                No

                [–]POS-Patrill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Well all he has to do is add "I've polled at 15%" and he's in.

                [–]MatthewSmith58 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                ...is he shirtless?

                [–]TheWarlockk/r/libertymovement[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I hope so

                [–]plazman30constitutionalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Start flooding /r/politics wth Gary Johnson news.

                [–]PM_ME_YOUR_DISTRO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Half of those things don't matter. Put up his budget, vetoes, policy relevant stuff he did while governor.

                [–]John-Farson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                He looks like one of those dudes from the dust bowl days in Oklahoma or someplace in the 1930s, like maybe he took this shot of his wife and kids...

                [–]varukasalt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                *I've got no chance.

                Missed one there.

                [–]geodebug 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Only thing on that list that matters is governed a state. The rest is just random bullshit.

                I wouldn't mind a debate with him included but since he pulled in just under 1% of voters in 2012 there isn't much push behind the idea to motivate the networks and other candidates.

                [–]AstrasAbove 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                To bad he's a fucking white male

                [–]pleasure2kill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I would love to see him in a debate, but this image isn't very effective. I'm not sure how "building a house" or "climbing mountains" counts as "credentials" for anything really. He's definitely qualified, but I'd probably have kept this geared more at his government and business successes.

                [–]amazingnachos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I'm not Libertarian and I still strongly support this.

                [–]SpydiggityNeo-Con...Liberal...What's the difference? 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Why? So he can embarrass us by reducing our philosophy down to something as stupid as and incorrect as "fiscally conservative and socially liberal?"

                The guy isn't a libertarian, and doesn't even understand the concept of non-aggression. And he's boring.

                Worse than all of that, he actually seems like a shill working for the Democrats to steal votes away from the right to get Hillary elected.

                [–]Fundatame 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                We no longer have a healthy Democracy if debates aren't a reality.

                [–]swapmeetpete 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                When I opened the link on mobile, it appeared he was being censored

                [–]cgmcnama 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                If he gets a reasonable amount of interest, like 20% of the nation saying they would vote for him...sure. But anyone can run for President and how are you to say who can/can't debate? You need a litmus test if you are going to give someone a few hundred thousand dollars of free publicity.

                The RNC and DNC are private organizations who negotiate these debates and can easily agree not to do them against certain candidates. Gary Johnson has to be compelling enough that CNN would take a stand for him to be in the debate. (Because I guarantee The DNC and the RNC don't want him there).

                [–]Gatsuuga 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They won't. It's all rigged.

                [–]AtlasWriggled 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yeah sure let him debate. I'm not for his policies, but I'm against the two-party system even more.

                [–]DonnieSmallHands 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                That HDR though. Never does good things to ones skin.

                I hope to god he gets to debate. He is our only chance for a conservative president and I think will appeal to a wide audience.

                [–]laooruemoland 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Open Borders, please go

                [–]rsyay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Here we go

                [–]SooperModelsDotCom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The guy is for borderless borders and everyone that wants to can come into this country. That is just downright tarded.

                And for that reason, i'm out.

                [–]zombiej3sus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I lost my eyebrows, let me debate

                [–]Ipadalienblue 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                fix the text spacing

                [–]HepAwesome 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Seen a bit of the libertarian convention and I don't know how that party expects anyone else to take them seriously. At all. Ever.

                [–]gunsofchekhovia 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I've seen a lot of Trump and I don't know how the GOP expects anyone else to take it seriously, at all, ever again.

                [–]skinny_b 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                /r/sadcringe

                [–]roger_van_zant -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Nobody is stopping him from declaring his policies. But in asking for a debate slot, it sounds like he's asking for a handout and that's kind of the opposite of the Libertarian core message.

                This is basically the Libertarian version of affirmative action---that the ends justify the means in order to promote diversity (but instead of race, it's of viewpoints).

                [–]matts2 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Goddamn it, he is entitled.

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