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[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't common knowledge?

[–]Dolanduckaroo 9ポイント10ポイント  (26子コメント)

The Soviets did the exact same thing to German POWs.

[–]OleSlappy 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

For the most part. They did use a bunch for hard labour (laying railroads for example). Most of the ones that were kept for hard labour were able to leave 20-40 years later.

[–]214596603 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Although, sadly, many of those sent to labour camps died due to poor conditions.

[–]henno13 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say that poor is a severe understatement. The Soviet Gulags was probably seen as a frozen hell to the German prisoners. Treatment elsewhere wasn't much better. There was a solider who somehow acquired a handful of butter from a kitchen died in pure agony once he consumed it because his stomach was so unused to fats.

[–]thebart 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Then they shouldn't have invaded Russia and murdered 27 million people.

[–]214596603 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you really have that little remorse for people, who at the end of the day, were just like your American or British ancestors that fought? Do you wish the people who were conscripted in Germany to all die just because they were on the wrong side?

[–]thebart -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes. Not because "they were on the wrong side", but because they murdered millions of civilians and soldiers who had surrendered.

[–]Bulbort -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

As opposed to what? Feeding millions during wartime? Russia shouldn't have sent in such green troops.

[–]thebart 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

that doesn't make any sense.

[–][deleted] 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

germans methodically exterminated all non-aryan population in eastern europe (meaning everyone they could get their hands on), burning entire villages without any reason other than extermination.

this is not just war. that's genocide.

russians never performed genocide on germans. with all the mess that happened in Berlin, if you compare the numbers, german POW casualties are times and times less than russian POW ones.

so no. not the same thing. not the same scale. and sure as hell not the same reason.

[–]Ragnalypse 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Executing enemy prisoners is executing enemy prisoners. The fact that the Russians lost more soldiers doesn't change the intent.

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

good luck citing any major war where the defending nation never executed enemy prisoners.

the intent was to get revenge for genocide. again, genocide. let that word sink in for a second to imagine how the soldiers felt when they were getting back at germans in Berlin. germans slaughtered defenseless villagers because they had brown hair. anyone who simply complies with something like that is below human in my book.

and it wasn't even "eye for an eye" thing. the Soviets started cleaning the street and distributing food to general population before the rest of Berlin was even captured. russians never did to germans what germans did to them. they never devoted themselves to wipe out all german nation because they found them not nordic enough. most POWs who died did so in labor camps, not in gas chambers, and there's a difference between genocide and a response to genocide.

edit: embracing the downvotes. you know, in western Belarus 600 villages have been burned to ashes when nazis exterminated the untermensch. these people died because somebody thought they were not worthy of being kept as slaves, and the soviet soldiers had to push back and avenge them, walking through miles and miles of dead land, all so that some US folks, living in a country that barely ever fought a war on its own territory, but instead keeps milking one terrorist act for 10 years straight, are ready to make nazis look better just so that the russians who lost 20 million people in the war would be the bad guys. why don't you find a WWII veteran who lost all his family to nazi genocide, and explain to them how they should have behaved in Berlin. fucking armchair philosophers.

[–]thebart 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish I could upvote you more.

[–]Tibulski 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I down voted you, just so I could upvote you twice

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

i lol'd at your comment, which i kinda needed right now. thank you. )

[–]Tibulski 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Пожалуйста )

[–]BurlyJohnson -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are an idiot

[–]thebart -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

And the nazis deserved it.

[–]ivantheadequat 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

While the nazi leadership deserved it, the man drafted out of highschool to go fight a war does not deserve death, if it can be avoided.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

so this guy is brought to Belarus. the nazis just took over the village that doesn't even fight back. they put all villagers in the barn and ask the kid to light it up with a flamethrower. he does.

they come to the second village. the situation repeats.

they come to the third village. the guy pretty much already figured out that's what he's going to do for the rest of this war.

25 villages later, just by the time he reached Flamethrower Level 90, they are captured by soviets.

now, what do you suppose is the adequate punishment for him? by all means, what he did was genocide. he may have followed orders (field orders that is), but it's still genocide.

[–]thebart 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was the soldiers who murdered millions of russian prisoners and civilians, so yes, they deserved it.

[–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He said the NAZIS deserved it, not German people. Learn to read.

[–]ivantheadequat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said the German POW's deserved it.

[–]happyman2 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly

Pot meet Kettle

[–]2IRRC 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Neither armies acted with any sense of honor. That concept has completely faded with the invention of gunpowder. In fact I struggled to find any period in history where armies fought with honor. Typically the victor slaughtered the defeated. Ancient Greece is not much of an exception. While they gave defeated Greek city states quarter in hopes of using them as allies later on this did not extend to other ethnic groups in the region. Slavery was rampant.

Individuals have acted with honor, groups/nations virtually never have. Case in point Josef Schulz

Perhaps a better way to organize/train armies is via ethics but if you did that operations like Fellujah would not have been possible. No. Regardless of the government they want armies that want to slaughter the "enemy" whoever that label happens to fit.

[–]EsteemedGentleman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, I'd rather have my country get the job done rather than do conventional military clank clank I'm a tank tactics. Special Operations solve problems better than boots on the ground.

[–]H3llo_People 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know the full details but IIRC Cyrus the Great was fairly nice to the people that he conquered...

[–]xomaleo 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

And who knows about this genocide today? Almost nobody. But the Jewish-owned media incessantly feed us with Holocaust and how very much the Chosen people suffered during it.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

in the US people care less about it because US was mostly involved in the Pacific, but in Europe everyone is very much aware. and in Russia... well, let's just say every family in Russia has someone who died on the eastern front. so yeah.

[–]4511 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

in the US people care less about it because US was mostly involved in the Pacific

Yet a surprisingly low amount of people know about the atrocities the Japanese committed in WWII. I feel the Japanese were much were than the Nazis, yet I very rarely run into someone who is aware of just how terrible the things the Japanese did are.

[–]xomaleo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I live in Europe...of course I knew that many people died during the war, but not that they killed so many POWs. Nobody makes heart-breaking movies about it, unlike about Holocaust.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

well, since the war ended the western media did everything humanly possible to paint USSR as the evil empire. looking at the comments in this thread, i guess it worked like a charm.

i invite you to watch "Come and See", a Belarus film about the nazi genocide. back when i watched it, it made me sick for weeks.

[–]rererer444 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Awareness is not a zero-sum game.

[–]roger_ranter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Waah. First Jews had the temerity to be murdered by the millions, then worked their publicity better than everyone else. Those assholes.

[–]trueg50 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

..And the Russians shot German medics and executed their wounded. They also used explosive bullets, and raped how many European civilians?

[–]sodappop -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our alliance with Stalin in WW2 was very much a deal with the devil. Why are you being downvoted? I thought this was common knowledge.

Katyn Forrest anyone?

[–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meh. Fuck'em if they can't take a joke.