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[–]paoloaga 54ポイント55ポイント  (3子コメント)

You need a lot of courage to think that someone is "spamming" spending lots of money in tx fees... The world is big and you only need a small tiny fraction of people using bitcoin to overwhelm 1 MB blocks with legit transactions.

Mempool will be free when people are too uncomfortable with high fees and turn to another payment system.

[–]paoloaga 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

And by the way: after the brilliant increase of the bitcoin value in these days, it is totally normal to expect hordes of people jumping in. Really I don't get it how can you define it as spam!

[–]kinoshitajona 58ポイント59ポイント  (4子コメント)

Delays aren't caused by not effectively being able to cut in line.

Yes, I understand the idea should be that all transactions should have dynamic fees and eventually people will just stop using bitcoin due to demand decrease out of increased fee price.

Yes I understand that if the presumption is that there is a spam attack occurring, then we "want" to prevent them from getting in by making them wait until we drop them.

But that does not mean the delay's "cause" is the inability to effectively cut in line.

The cause is a shit ton of transactions.

We are handling them poorly.

[–]GratefulTony 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think de-prioritizing low-fee transactions is a bad way to do things. Besides process every transaction ever how would you suggest determining who gets their data included in the blockchain?

[–]baltakatei [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Implement an expiry date for every address inversely proportional to the address amount? Periodically purge the blockchain of expired addresses? It's draconian but it would trim the blockchain and disincentivise spam transactions. Implement expiry dates so people can deterministically guarantee a lifetime for their transaction record in the blockchain by setting a certain bitcoin amount in the address.

[–]Philip_K_Fry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have a radical idea. Why not increase the blocksize to allow for more transactions?

[–]FEMALE-BACON 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

my post was removed, mods told to post here. still interested in the discussion that was there. so again..

with transactions increasing over time and blocks already full (at 1mb limit), does this mean that sending bitcoin will now be competitive? the more you pay the faster it will go through, and "nearly free of charge" will just be stuck in the back of the line?

also, if bitcoin really gains popularity and transactions go way up, won't using bitcoin just become too expensive?

[–]tobixen [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

also, if bitcoin really gains popularity and transactions go way up, won't using bitcoin just become too expensive?

Using bitcoins for buying coffee and such will become too expensive, using bitcoins for converting half of your monthly income into "bitcoin savings" is still affordable - as long as you have a decent "western" salary ...

[–]pitchbend [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

So that is what A peer 2 peer electronic CASH system looks like huh? A settlement later too expensive to be used as, well, a cash system?

There's an irony here somewhere.

[–]manginahunter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The Cash system will be LN, also Satoshi Nakamoto ain't Jesus Christ, even he is very wise, he is not a God, he haven't foresaw centralization pressure and other problems like that.

BTW, if we had stayed to "the original vision", BTC would be full of exploit today...

[–]matt4054 23ポイント24ポイント  (58子コメント)

You can see live queue charts the Bitcoin mempool here:

http://www.bitcoinqueue.com/

[–]joelthelion [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Could you add a third chart with total fees in the mempool? I find that a better congestion metric than transaction count, as it accounts better for low fee transactions (counts them less)

[–]matt4054 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yes, actually I already have the total fees per fee class in my database, I will add it to the visualizations soon, probably before the week-end.

Example:

[Thu Jun 16 08:01:32 2016] Processed 85970 incoming unconf tx (conn. seq 1) FC: T, Tot: 2227 tx, Size: 910.43 KB, In: 25,872.37 (4733), Out: 25,871.60 (4481), Fees 0.7700 FC: O, Tot: 6090 tx, Size: 3824.14 KB, In: 98,906.46 (18847), Out: 98,904.96 (14287), Fees 1.5032 FC: A, Tot: 6919 tx, Size: 8506.31 KB, In: 112,604.22 (39726), Out: 112,602.43 (15530), Fees 1.7971 [Thu Jun 16 08:01:37 2016] Processed 85980 incoming unconf tx (conn. seq 1) FC: T, Tot: 2229 tx, Size: 910.98 KB, In: 25,880.58 (4735), Out: 25,879.80 (4485), Fees 0.7707 FC: O, Tot: 6100 tx, Size: 3827.48 KB, In: 98,940.90 (18859), Out: 98,939.39 (14307), Fees 1.5048 FC: A, Tot: 6929 tx, Size: 8509.65 KB, In: 112,638.66 (39738), Out: 112,636.86 (15550), Fees 1.7986 [Thu Jun 16 08:01:41 2016] Processed 85990 incoming unconf tx (conn. seq 1) FC: T, Tot: 2232 tx, Size: 911.89 KB, In: 25,882.13 (4739), Out: 25,881.36 (4491), Fees 0.7719 FC: O, Tot: 6110 tx, Size: 3831.81 KB, In: 98,989.47 (18877), Out: 98,987.96 (14327), Fees 1.5069 FC: A, Tot: 6939 tx, Size: 8513.98 KB, In: 112,687.23 (39756), Out: 112,685.43 (15570), Fees 1.8008

[–]matt4054 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The backlog has cleared up now (see charts), everything back to normal :-)

But for how long ?

[–]ryszard99 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is this your chart? Tres cool ..

If you had a QR code as well as / in place of a bitcoin address, i could much more easily make a donation to you using my phone wallet.. :)

[–]matt4054 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

QR code added, here we go! :-)

http://www.bitcoinqueue.com/

[–]ryszard99 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Donated.. :-)

[–]matt4054 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, thank you so much, you're AWESOME!

I will try to add tables, numbers and fine transaction fee class / breakout in the very near future :-)

[–]matt4054 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you very much, I will gladly add a QR code :)

[–]GratefulTony 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is great. Anybody who can even sorta read a chart can see:

  1. There was a short lived bump in majority low-fee transactions

  2. They are gone now and we are not at a pretty normal idle rate - do people know there will always be some non-zero number of unconfirmed txs waiting to get in the next block?

[–]Celean 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

You must have been sorta reading the two-hour graph. We just now had a lucky period with 22 blocks in less than two hours which did cut it down by quite a bit, but that's obviously not the block rate we'll be getting on average.

If you look at the longer-term graphs you'll see that the pending fees in the mempool has been growing worryingly large over the last couple of days, even when you look at high-fee >= 50 satoshi/byte transactions.

[–]GratefulTony 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I sorta read all the graphs, and others from other sources which aren't quite as accessible. Since you're an expert on recent blockrate dynamics, you probably also know we had slow blocks leading up to the heightened mempool.

[–]Celean 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

There certainly was one spike caused by nearly two blockless hours, but the block luck over the last 48 hours at the time I write this has been almost exactly average at 289 compared to an expected 288. (24-hour luck is 146 compared to an expected 144.)

[–]wrongtoothbrush 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whoa. I didn't see this coming.

[–]itsmeclooney 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not sure why my thread testing a variety of fees was deleted, but here is the information provided from that thread:

So, using mycelium I'm doing a bit of an experiment. I am sending a $1 transaction at each of the 4 levels offered in the wallet (high-priority, normal, economical, and low-prio)

On the $1 transactions these fees were $.18, $.04, $.03, and $.01

Actual fees submitted and first confirmation time

High-prio (.000259 | 114 sat/byte) First confirmation 4 minutes after submitting transaction

Normal (.0000518 | 23 sat/byte) First confirmation 27 minutes after submitting transaction

Economical (.00003885 | 17 sat/byte) First confirmation 1 hour, 24 minutes after submitting transacting

Low-priority (.00002072 | 9 sat/byte)

So, looks like High priority through Mycelium works well, and the normal fee calculated was confirmed within 5 blocks.

Point Blank: USE A WALLET THAT CALCULATES DYNAMIC FEES

[–]eragmus -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like your thread got caught in the spam filter, it's available now.

[–]Dryja 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nit to pick:

Saying "the mempool" is inaccurate. Everyone has a different mempool, and those mempools are of different sizes and have different transactions in them. If there was a single mempool, we wouldn't need proof of work, mining, blocks... we wouldn't need Bitcoin.

If you run bitcoin, and would like a smaller mempool, you can set it in ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf by adding the line:

maxmempool=2

Then your mempool will never be more then 2 MB.

If instead you would like a multi-gigabyte mempool, that's also possible by setting maxmempool and minrelaytxfee in the config file, and creating millions of 0 fee transactions.

Sorry if this is a nit-pick but I do think it's important to keep in mind that everyone's mempool is unique, and everyone can have as big or small a mempool as they would like.

[–]BashCo[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good point. I've got mine set to around 3GB because I recall some nodes crashing when it topped 1GB, but now I'm curious to see what happens if I set it to 2MB.

[–]nullcGreg Maxwell - Bitcoin Expert 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

"nodes crashing" was just systems literally running out of memory (often on cheap VPS with no swap), either before there was limiting or with their limit set too high for their actual amount of memory.

The 300MB default is already probably too high. Cranking yourself much higher than is widely used mostly just wastes bandwidth as you accept txn that the rest of the network won't propagate.

If your 3GB node has a long uptime, whats the getmempoolinfo output from it (you can do that from the cli or the debug console in qt)?

[–]BashCo[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I gathered that from reading your other comments and already reset my node to 300MB, so I missed the chance to get you the getmempoolinfo output.

[–]joelthelion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Note that setting maxmempool to 2MB will limit it so much that your node probably won't be useful for anything anymore. I think clients count mempool overhead in that number, so it isn't directly comparable to "mempool size" are reported by most websites. For example, mempool usage on my node is currently 165MB+ and that's only because I limit maxmempool to 200MB.

[–]Polycephal_Lee 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

There's also 6btc of fees just sitting there that miners can't claim because some central planners are preventing miners from choosing how large to make their blocks.

It's not just a problem for people who want to transact and have to deal with delays, it's also a problem for rational miners that want to make more money.

[–]pitchbend [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yup, not a chance that people that have their heads already buried in the sand realize this obvious fact unfortunately.

[–]bitmegalomaniac [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What about the people that mistake their opinion for facts?

They may not have buried their heads in the sand but perhaps they should.

[–]pitchbend [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The default dynamically calculated fee of the most popular Android wallet isn't enough to get a tx to confirm in the next several blocks you can't mistake this cold fact with an opinion, don't worry.

[–]bitmegalomaniac [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

txid or you are lying. (That is how facts work BTW)

[–]manginahunter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A security parameter can't be deal with full free market and unlimited offer side, sorry.

Also you can extend your argument: why we wont remove the 21 millions cap because not everyone can get a full BTC ? We need print to get more adoption...

[–]AnalyzerX7 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

There has been a lot of posts on social media hyping up the so called short comings of a situation which are not readily what they seem. Please note this does not represent my position in any way on whether or not this could be an actual problem, but rather to raise awareness on what seems like 'Concern trolling'

Let's look at some things that are happening:

  • If a user paid around 3 cents which is a fraction of the recommended fee, they would have their txs confirmed in around 2 blocks
  • Any user paying the recommended fee will continue using BTC as though nothing has happened
  • This user pointed out the possibility of BTCC's block priority service as being one vector of spam attack
  • The instant upvoting of these posts on reddit while the fact remains distant is a warning indicator - Here you can see that it has come down significantly while posts fly up stating incorrect facts
  • In my investigation of users which are promoting this Problem the majority reside at /r/btc - please note this is not to divide anything further, just an observation that 75% of /r/bitcoin front page was at one moment pointing to direct posts from users of /r/btc claiming "The sky is falling."

Ultimately there are solutions which are being implemented to help the system grow. For now, pay the recommended fee's or wait a while and it will be processed.

If you are a strong believer in the real issues concerning bitcoin, use the proper forms of communication to expound on your idea. Fearmongering is not a loving or beneficial solution to anyone in the long run and ultimately hurts the one ideal most of us share. Which is for Bitcoin to thrive.

[–]90s_campredditor for 2 months 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The FUD is not working as effectively anymore. Evidence of anti-fragility?

[–]achow101 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you use Bitcoin Core, when you send your Bitcoin, click on the "Choose" button next the Transaction Fee at the bottom. Then select the "Recommended" radio button and move the slider all the way to the right to get the fastest fee. It is also a good idea to have had Bitcoin Core running for ~30 minutes before sending so that it can analyze and determine the best fee.

Or you can lookup the best fee per Kb and set that manually yourself.

If you have a stuck transaction, you can use my Fee Booster: https://github.com/achow101/FeeBooster/releases. Extract it and run the FeeBooster.jar file. Simply follow the instructions, although where it says that you can enter a txid, you actually can't. You can only enter the raw hex of a transaction. The program generates an unsigned transaction that is either an RBF transaction or a CPFP transaction. You sign that unsigned transaction in your wallet and then you can broadcast it from my program. If you need any help with using the fee booster, I am available to help.

[–]loveforyouandme [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Legitimate users"...

Too bad the network is just not strong enough to withstand those pesky "illegitimate users".

So many things to blame, but certainly not Core's unwillingness to compromise on block size.

[–]pizzaface18 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Aaaand 2 hours later it's back to 17k, crisis averted.

[–]Esport123redditor for 0 days 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/eefd7be3406b0112f9e59c85882ebfe0bcefa721af5f4e94c77fb2114a174474

I've waited 48 hours... is all hope lost for me to get my funds from this site ? Thanks

[–]eragmus -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your fee is too low: 10 sat/byte

https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/tx/eefd7be3406b0112f9e59c85882ebfe0bcefa721af5f4e94c77fb2114a174474

It will either confirm, or it will leave the mempool (maybe in 1 more day, maybe a few days longer), and then you can try again with a higher fee.

Which wallet were you using?

[–]Esport123redditor for 0 days 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am using Multibit (classic) I know its a bit outdated but I have never had any issues with it. Problem is I am receiving this payment not sending so I had no say about the fee.... But thanks for your input.

[–]theymos 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Looking at mempool numbers is pointless. There is no "the mempool". Every node has a different mempool. The mempool size numbers reported by various sites are largely worthless. With default Bitcoin Core settings, a node's mempool size is almost always 200-300 MB in size.

What clearly is a problem is when transactions get stuck. However, this is mainly an issue with wallets that don't estimate fees well. People who are seeing stuck transactions are generally paying 15 sat/B or less, while my Bitcoin Core suggests paying at least 30 sat/B with current network conditions. The network is constantly changing -- you can't just pick one fee and stick with it, or even pick one fee and plan to update it every now and then.

The higher required fee right now is probably due to an attack aimed at clogging the queue with high-fee transactions. In general: To make it impossible for anyone to get a transaction through with a fee less than $x per kB, an attacker needs to pay roughly 1000 kB * $x per block. So to raise the required fee to $1/kB requires that the attacker burns about $1000 in fees per block, for example.

Ideally, wallets should notice this and say, "There's a spam attack going on. You can either pay this above-average fee to outbid the attacker or you can wait a while." Also, wallets should support RBF and/or CPFP to allow people to adjust fees after transaction creation. But in reality, most wallets just pay some constant or slowly-updating fee, which is what's causing most of the trouble.

If the max block size is doubled, then the cost to raise the required fee to a certain level is also roughly doubled. So when SegWit increases the effective max block size to ~2 MB, this attack will become more expensive. But if wallets use a fixed fee, then it still won't require all that much money to fill blocks with slightly-above-average fees. Fee estimation is required in any case.

Furthermore, I've seen a number of people saying stuff like, "If there's an attack, then the max block size should be able to increase arbitrarily to absorb it." This is a very misinformed statement. Obviously both miners (in some cases) and people who make transactions want larger blocks, but the larger blocks are on average, the more expensive it is to run a full node in terms of bandwidth, CPU usage, and disk space. And full nodes do not (and, most experts believe, cannot reasonably) get any reward for supporting increased transaction volume. So in other words, block size is a negative externality suffered by full nodes due to the actions of miners and transaction-makers, and running full nodes is a positive externality provided by full nodes to the benefit of everyone who uses Bitcoin (Bitcoin is absolutely insecure if not enough of the economy is backed by full nodes). And there's no reason to think that miners or transaction-makers would voluntarily keep blocks small enough -- since it's a common goods problem, neither has the right incentives. Bitcoin's solution to this issue is for full nodes to enforce a max block size small enough to allow full nodes to operate with a reasonably low cost. Removing the limit would make spam attacks even worse, since spammers would be able to directly attack Bitcoin's volunteer full nodes (and therefore Bitcoin's decentralization) rather than just increase fees temporarily.

Yes, the max block size limits the total number of transactions, and if everyone who is currently transacting (right now including spammers) was willing to pay an infinite amount of money to keep transacting, then fees would go to infinity. But that's not how it would actually work. In reality, rising fees make the reasonable minimum on-chain transaction value smaller and smaller. Therefore, people who are using on-chain transactions to transfer just a few dollars get pushed out in a rising fees scenario, making room for people who want to transfer larger values -- eventually, an equilibrium is reached. This pricing-out of small-value transactions has already happened: no one tries to use Bitcoin for moving a few cents of value nowadays. It is not in itself a good thing that anyone gets priced out in this way -- it'd be nice if we could costlessly do all the transactions that everyone ever wanted on-chain -- but at least some degree of this is unavoidable and survivable.

[–]pointbiz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The cost of attack is more than double when you double the block size. Most of the transactions in today's 1MB block are paid by others not the spammer.

[–]one_line_commenter 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

What evidence can you point to indicating that there is a spam attack? High volume can be completely explained by price rise, renewed interest, people moving coins to/from exchanges, buying stuff, etc. Which indicators say this volume is synthetic?

[–]theymos [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

  • There was a sharp increase in the fees paid per block (high-fee spam) and the typical automatic minrelayfee (low-fee spam), and then this subsided after some hours. Typical spam behavior.
  • https://twitter.com/lopp/status/743178981688508416
  • I noticed the appearance of a large number of long-chain transactions always paying exactly 0.0005 BTC as a fee, happening right around the same time as the fee issues, though perhaps this is coincidence. It's often pretty difficult to actually locate spam transactions. Last time, the spam transactions weren't located until a few days after the attack, even though the attacker was sending so many transactions that he was burning tens of thousands of USD in fees per day.

[–]HostFat 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Attacks cost money, money isn't unlimited.

If it is fiat money (possible unlimited), then the inflation of the fiat money will be unlimited, and everyone will run to Bitcoin.

How many people are downloading movies/games/music online? How much space do they have on their hard disk?

How many people are watching netflix HD and other similar services in the world? Millions.

You should make/get some stats by all these kind of users, and you will ba able to see that there is an big number of users, larger than the current number of Bitcoin nodes, that will be able to be one of the nodes with larger blocks.

And full nodes do not (and, most experts believe, cannot reasonably) get any reward for supporting increased transaction volume.

This is false, they are already rewared by being able to use trustless network, and they are using/running a node to get this.

This is the reward

If you make it expensive to make transactions on the Bitcoin network, you are killing the natural reward and working by design.

EDIT: LN and Segwit? Good, "maybe" they will be great, but while they aren't there yet, you should NEVER going against the market.

[–]nullcGreg Maxwell - Bitcoin Expert -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

Ugh. There is no "the mempool" each node has it's own mempool, and they're all somewhat different due to each node being at a different position in the network.

Bitcoin Core (and derived software) implement a fee ordered size limited mempool. The default limit is 300MBytes of memory used (which allows for about half that in transaction data), and any long uptime node has it practically always full to that limit, and has almost continually since the limiting was introduced.

Sites that are charting something other than a constantly nearly flat line (with little sawtooths at a 10m interval) are charting something other than an ordinary node's mempool. Most don't disclose what they're actually charting.

Here is mempool info from a default config git master nodes (which store a bit more txn in their 300MB limit than 0.12.1 nodes do):

 $ bitcoin-cli getmempoolinfo
 {
   "size": 24442,
   "bytes": 146100378,
   "usage": 271980784,
   "maxmempool": 300000000,
   "mempoolminfee": 0.00001757
 }

This is the same node (though with the older, less efficient storage; which is why it has fewer for more usage); from the public bitcoin-wizards IRC log on February 29th 2016:

 {
      "size": 28682,
      "bytes": 131232798,
      "usage": 286701056,
      "maxmempool": 300000000,
      "mempoolminfee": 0.00001741
 }

Same node, older code, December 11th 2015, from #bitcoin IRC logs. (either this version didn't print the extra information, or I didn't bother to paste it)

      "size": 17314,
      "bytes": 138861216,
      "usage": 299998480,

These numbers modulate continually around 300 depending on how lucky blocks get. I've used public data from my own nodes to prove I'm not cooking it on the spot. Its common to see usage higher than I'm seeing currently.

All of this noise about mempool all time high and whatnot is deliberate FUD, don't be suckered.

[–]btcee99 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

and any long uptime node has it practically always full to that limit

It really depends. My node is set with limitfreerelay=0 (to focus on fee-paying transactions) and minrelaytxfee=5000 (the default from a few versions ago), and my mempool regularly gets cleared out to zero. Example

I'm assuming that these graphing sites are using similar parameters.

[–]nullcGreg Maxwell - Bitcoin Expert 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

And in the ten minutes since I posted that a block or two was found, and --

 $ bitcoin-cli getmempoolinfo
 {
   "size": 20370,
   "bytes": 142658335,
   "usage": 263433424,
   "maxmempool": 300000000,
   "mempoolminfee": 0.00001722
 }

Which is then fewer transactions and a lower minimum fee to enter the mempool than the Feb 29th numbers.

[–]sumBTC 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Isn't:

142658335/20370=7003 bytes per tx

ridiculous?

With my min relay tx fee of 0.0003 (irrespective whether you agree or not) I get about 400 bytes per tx. I always check that number.

[–]nullcGreg Maxwell - Bitcoin Expert 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Less than you think, because of dull software with constant fees, larger transactions end up paying lower feerates on average.

But it's also the case that many low fee transactions "aren't typical".

[–]sumBTC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm being a bit severe with my settings, I know. Thanks and keep up the good work!

[–]joelthelion [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I think what you're seeing is counting mempool data structure overhead, whereas websites are showing total transaction size, which is of course lower.

If you don't believe the current peak is real, check https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/ for example. Yesterday, the total fees in the mempool were up to 11BTC, pretty close from an all time high as far as I can remember. You can dismiss this as spam if you want, but to me, 11BTC means an awful lot of people willing to pay to get their transaction on the blockchain.

[–]nullcGreg Maxwell - Bitcoin Expert [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No, "usage" includes overhead, "bytes" does not. I had meant to make that clear in my post, sorry if I didn't.

[–]rabbitlion 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was under the impression that most nodes drop transactions that are 72 hours old and still have 0 confirmations and that charting sites use the same policy, is that incorrect?

[–]nullcGreg Maxwell - Bitcoin Expert 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The charting site stuff appears to be very different than Bitcoin Core's behavior, so I'm not sure what they're doing.

But yes, static const unsigned int DEFAULT_MEMPOOL_EXPIRY = 72; in core (it's adjustable).

[–]bajanboost -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love you man. $1 /u/changetip

[–]changetip -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

nullc received a tip for 1,442 bits ($1.00).

what is ChangeTip?

[–]livinincalifornia [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Still going with that old tired oh it's all just Spam Theory? I'm really sick and tired of seeing Bitcoin being manipulated and turned into a settlement system by a small group of people who are very incompetent the facts of what other competing crypto-currencies could possibly do to the Bitcoin market cap or are invested in such interest and therefore have a interest in causing harm to bitcoin

[–]BitcoinReminder_com 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

I sent a transaction about an hour ago. confirmed within 34 minutes with mycelium default fees (was 4ct): https://blockchain.info/tx/39954c9425ff6d3e78dd0770ef794fa161ab51b5692726fd10a7552482c1a9c4

So from my point, the whole hype is overrated, wrong use of (not proper) wallets and just fud and manipulation.

EDIT: I sent now another test transaction. Again with mycelium, default fee (this time calulated to 7ct): https://blockchain.info/tx/3d8f9fef8533344a11a9e3d72fc880d43319eaa60362762de42e1a2b31d02314

EDIT: It took 9 minutes to get a confirmation!

[–]Logical007 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

you must've been lucky then? I sent a very similar transaction nearly 5 hours ago and it took 23 blocks for confirmation (4 hours later)

[–]BashCo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you share the transaction ID?

[–]Logical007 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

d73bafb0e2190f762c26e3a29abb5780a6931d0bfdef72f9df1cd5fa861f4c90

[–]bitcoinfinder [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Maybe yours was sent during the rush and the 34 minute one was sent after things had cooled down? Bitcoin needs a https://www.internetweathermap.com/ where you can paste a transaction and see how it is doing relatively to other transactions.

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    [–]mmeijeri 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    So imagine everyone bumps up their fee.

    That won't happen, some of the freeloaders will get off the train.

    [–]Dignified27 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Redditor for 7 hours and eth pumper, just sayin

    [–]Drunkenaardvark -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Holy cow is 34 minutes really lightning fast or what? No problems here! [Massive sarcasm]

    [–]Dignified27 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Even on normal days bitcoin can have 40 minute block.intervals or even 2 min, that's called variance, never had any complaints.

    [–]BitcoinReminder_com -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Holy cow is 34 minutes really lightning fast or what? No problems here! [Massive sarcasm]

    As you can see here, you can get a confirmation within 4 minutes, if you pay appropriate fees: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4o9ndw/transaction_fee_experiment_using_mycelium/

    So please complaign to someone else.

    [–]GratefulTony -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    just fud and manipulation.

    the new normal it seems. we need reputation-based forums on an open protocol.

    [–]Bitconscience 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    FTFY:

    Some people are experiencing confirmation delays as a result of congestion and improperly calculated fees inadequate block sizes.

    [–]robbonz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Can see my mempool gauge here: http://blockspeed.info

    [–]joelthelion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Could you add total tx fees in the mempool? That's a better metric than # of transactions, as it weighs low-fee transactions accordingly. That avoids the tired debate of spam vs. non-spam transactions.

    Edit: another minor feature request: could you add one of these metric to the page title? That would allow monitoring the mempool without even opening the tab (example: this site does it for the exchange rate).

    [–]oakpacific -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    If you're waiting on a transaction and need help troubleshooting, please post your Transaction ID here.

    We can do better than that, my bet to pay you double the amount of your fee is still active if you are willing to share your txid.

    [–]seweso 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    If everone did that you would go broke guaranteed. As your transactions would push fees & volume up even more ;)

    [–]oakpacific -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The reason is given the data I have, I am confident that almost all of this is bullcrap.

    [–]1EVwbX1rswFzo9fMFsumredditor for 1 month 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Why? This isn't a fee issue. It's an issue with over 3 years of block size discussion going nowhere because certain developers stonewall any attempt at change. It's pathetic.

    [–]xygo -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You said you were out. Why are you still wasting your time posting here ?

    [–]joseph_miller -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Obviously, there needs to be a way to rebroadcast stuck transactions.

    But beyond that, remember that no matter the block size, it is costless to spam transactions and fill up anyone's mempool. If /r/bitcoin gets hysterical every time this happens, it will keep happening.

    Also, the average fee per tx size is lower than the weekly average. This is obviously just a deliberate move.

    [–]OnDaEdge_redditor for 3 months 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    You know about the existance of opt-in RBF right? I don't know of any wallets that do it yet, but the network should already support it.

    [–]cointastical 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Greenwallet does.

    It also requires peer nodes that have enabled it (not enabled by default in v0.12.0, if I remember correctly) and will then propagate these transactions. And at least one miner of an upcoming block to have received the transaction and has the feature enabled thus considers the transaction when choosing transactions to include in the next block. [Edit: Opt-in RBF is enabled by default, so it should work today with most nodes and miners and pools.]

    [–]joseph_miller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I didn't even realize it was in Core yet.

    It's a surprise that other wallets aren't just copying it and encouraging its use. Maybe this will get them to.

    [–]achow101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hopefully the next release of Armory will allow creating RBF transactions; I made a PR for it: https://github.com/goatpig/BitcoinArmory/pull/42

    Bitcoin Core should also be supporting the creation of RBF transactions if this PR: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8182 is merged

    [–]felipelalli -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Ultimate solution for stuck txs:

    HODL!

    I never had any issue with this because I'm hodling! ;-)

    [–]rydan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I withdrew all my Bitcoins from Changetip and had no delay at all. In fact it was at 4 confirmations in what couldn't have been 20 minutes.

    Edit: Downvoted for saying something nice about Bitcoin. You guys are hard to please.

    [–]CosmicHemorroid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    rbtc is coming over here vote brigading, upvoting their buddies and downvoting us. Then when we post on rbtc they vote brigade. I stated a fact that a video had been up here on rbitcoin for 48 hours when they were claiming it was deleted. I was downvoted 25 points for that. When we ask them to remove the rate limit so we can freely post they say no. Either you're for free speech or you're not.

    [–]Future_Prophecy -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for trying to restore sanity!

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          [–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          so we are not at 19cents a tx.

          in six days network will scale, but LN should come faster then in one year IMO

          [–]woodles -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          This whole thing reminds me of "China bans bitcoin again".

          [–]pitchbend [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Yeah except my Mycellium (most popular Android wallet) transactions with normal dynamic fee didn't take 20+ blocks to get confirmed back then, otherwise totally the same BS /s

          [–]kynek99 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          we're down to 15K transaction waiting for confirmation.