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Why I Need an AR-15 (medium.com)

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[–]BitcoinPatriot 50ポイント51ポイント  (22子コメント)

When the government tells me how much I do NOT need an AR-15 is more proof of why I actually NEED that AR-15.

When the people fear the government there is tyranny.

When the government fears the people there is liberty.

[–]squatch2401 23ポイント24ポイント  (14子コメント)

When the government tells me how much I do NOT need an AR-15 is more proof of why I actually NEED that AR-15

This. That is why I bought my first AR-15 yesterday.

[–]autosear 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

Congratulations. What'd you get?

[–]squatch2401 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

The shop I went to built it for me, I just walked around and pointed at the things I wanted. Here is the list and an image.

Spikes Punisher lower

Guntec Lower Parts Kit

Spike bolt carrier group

UTG Buffer Tube Kit

Spikes M4 Upper

Guntec Carbine Length Gas

Guntec low profile gas block

guntec charging handle

yankee hill phantom comp/flash

Guntec 15’ narrow keymod free float rail w/ Monolithic top rail

UTG Model 4 8” S1 mil-spec 6 position stock

Gov Contract 16” stainless fluted Heavy 1/9 twist 223/556

This is how it turned out I forgot to pick out sights so that is my next purchase. (Also need to take better pictures, haha)

[–]AFuddyDuddy 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Solid rifle.

Don't let people give you shit for the UTG Hardware. It's low cost, but good quality for the cost

[–]squatch2401 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks, I went in with a budget and got it done for $5 dollars less than budget! For my first AR, I like it.

[–]ANGR1ST 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Very nice, care to say how much that ran you?

[–]squatch2401 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

It was $749.00 but I got a bit of a discount so total came in at 794.56.

[–]issue9mm 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

The discount made it more expensive?

[–]CecilArongo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Might be the total after tax.

[–]squatch2401 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are correct, 749.00 Plus tax but with the discount it was 794 with tax.

[–]RPDBF 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is why I look at my ruger 10/22 and pretend its an AR-15 because I live in the People's Republic of NY

[–]r870 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Coming soon: "no one NEEDS a 10/22"

[–]Wild_Dingleberries 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

.22LR is banned by the Geneva Convention!!!

[–]I_AM_THE_REAL_KONY 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A couple years ago an elderly friend of my family passed away, her son didn't want to have her 10/22 because he lives in NYS. I now have it. Every time he visits, he wants to shoot his mom's old rifle. What a shame that a grown man can't have a damn .22! Make no mistake; the left is coming for your guns no matter what they say.

[–]nateious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I ordered a lower build kit yesterday. Waiting for the upper I was looking at to come back in stock and then I will be assembling my first.

Can't wait.

[–]deck_hand 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well... People tend to fear things at first, then they start planning on how to kill the thing they fear. When people fear the government, they start planning how to overthrow it. How can we tell? Oppressive governments generally have always been overthrown from within.

When the government fears the people, they round people up and kill them.

I would rather a mutual respect than one overtly fearing another.

[–]Heptite 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a fair point, but it's an American tradition to distrust government, for good reason. Although distrust and fear are not the same thing, and over the generations that distrust has waned far too much.

[–]Vayate[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pretty much. I'm not crazy about the AR platform but I bought one for home defense after Shillary started threatening to ban them.

[–]BitcoinPatriot 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I bought an AR-15 about 2 years ago once the prices got back down to "reasonable" levels and to this day have yet to fire it:)

But I am glad I have it.

[–]Greg00135 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Should definitely take it out and have some fun.

[–]JamesK89 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Though I tend to like Slavic guns I got a Del-Ton AR about a year ago and I'm glad I did just because I've had a bunch of fun customizing it to my liking. I paid something like $450 for it out-the-door at a gun show and both the upper and lower receivers are aluminum rather than ABS.

[–]jdmgto 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go shoot it, but be warned, it's addicting.

[–]reddit_is_filth 31ポイント32ポイント  (15子コメント)

It doesn't matter what I need or don't need. It is my right to own one.

Don't like that? Come and get it.

[–]10MeV 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

I made exactly that same point with my nephew, when he was downing AR15s. He was under this mistaken impression they're all automatic, as are so many unfamiliar with the actual platform.

It doesn't matter if you like it or not, think I need it or not. I want it, and it's legal, so tough rocks.

Someone else said he thought it would be good to give up on AR15s so the anti-gunners would get their pound of flesh as a "compromise". That would be better than the even worse things the anti-gunners want to do. I pointed out there was no ending to their demand for "compromise", short of full-on confiscation. That's what they really want, and everything else is incrementalism toward that end. We have to draw the line, no further!

[–]tertius 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

I agree with you about the result of compromise 100%.

I don't think saying that the AR-15 is not automatic is a good argument though. Automatic firearms aren't restricted by the 2nd amendment. Which is an example of the slippery slope argument you make regarding compromise.

[–]10MeV 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

You make a good point. No specific weapon is either protected or restricted by the 2nd amendment. It simply says "arms".

To elaborate a bit, his issue was that AR15s are, his word, "ridiculous" in civilian hands. Specifically, "no one needs" a machine gun for any civilian purpose. It was the automatic fire that specifically upset him, saying semi-auto pistols are fine and he had no issue with those.

[–]ChopperIndacar 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

As an uncle it was your duty to buy a machine gun and let him shoot it so he wouldn't grow up to be such a pussy.

[–]10MeV 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brilliant! I knew there was a reason I should get one of those!

[–]tertius 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

He should then be exposed to how quickly you can fire an AR-15 or a pistol. He will likely change his mind.

A slippery slope remains because his objection is still based on fear.

[–]10MeV 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're right. I know with my Shield I can run off about 5 rounds in one second. Never tried rapid fire with my AR15.

Fear is the root cause of the emotional fury the anti-gun folks display, for sure. The fear of a machine gun vs. semi-auto is really misplaced anyway. The Orlando shooter had hours to kill people. He could almost have done as well with a muzzle loader. A bolt-action with a small magazine would certainly have been just as effective. He didn't need a high firing rate to do what he did.

[–]tertius 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed.

When we've long forgotten about rifles with magazines, we'll go for the fixed magazine rifle because they shoot too quickly. And eventually we'll go for the ones that kill people...

[–]jdmgto 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We've been compromising for 80 years and they keep asking for more. No.

[–]mrspaznout 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

I dont need a Corvette either, but I have the right to pursue happiness.

[–]reddit_is_filth 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

So pursue you some happiness. What do you want from me?

[–]mrspaznout 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

NO No, I am agreeing with you. A nice car is something that nearly everyone wants. The fact that it can do far far more than what is needed in the normal day to day doesn't invoke calls for legislation. You dont need that race car is not a thing that gets bashed over the head of a car enthusiast. (unless it is your mom)

[–]reddit_is_filth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right on.

For a second, I thought you were going to go into the liberal spiel about how it says pursuit of happiness in the Constitution, and you can't pursue any happiness knowing people in the country can defend themselves.

I think I've been doing this too long..

[–]rustyshakelford 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some people just don't seem to understand how inalienable rights work. They don't get to decide how I decide to protect myself and my family.

[–]Papa_Hemingway_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My rights end where another person's begin. Some people can't grasp that my owning an AR doesn't encroach on any of their rights at all

[–]TripleChubz 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

To extend a point made in the article:

We often think of hunting rifles as being benign sporting items, but they were state of the art people-killing power in the 1890s. The Mauser 98, Springfield 1903... originally military arms.

People that can't look at firearm history and see that the AR-15 is just as important as bolt-action rifles are completely missing the point.

[–]the_cApitalist 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This a thousand times. Sporterized military rifles have been hunting and shooting staples for over a century. This is no different. If the military ever adopts a different standard, say the Desert Tech MDR for instance, within a few years dudes in Wisconsin will be dropping whitetails with that fancy space gun. Its just how shit works.

[–]RallyMech 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Desert Tech MDR

It's almost as if the military drives research and development that trickles down to the common man.

[–]jdmgto 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what made the "armor piercing" AR kerfuffle so hilarious. Bitch, do you know what your grand daddy's .30-06 would do to police body armor?

[–]deck_hand 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

I need an AR-15 for the same reason that Rosa Parks needed to sit at the front of the bus.

[–]ChopperIndacar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

o shit

[–]forzion_no_mouse -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

i really hope trump tweets something like this. CNN would explode.

[–]oooo_ahahahah 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

Every time I engage an 'antis' and I remind them that less than 2% of all gun deaths in the US are due to AR-15's and they cannot comprehend that an 'assault weapons ban' would literally have no effect on the total gun deaths per year. If they focused their energy on mental health issues, they could stand to reduce the overall gun deaths by 60%. How? 60% of reported gun deaths per year are from suicide, you stand to say WAY more lives. Why chose 1% over 60%?

[–]r870 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The same reason why some people are scared to swim in the ocean because of sharks, yet never wear a seatbelt.

Humans are emotional creatures who are terrible at evaluating risks, and make most of their quick decisions based on cursory feelings and gut instinct. The problem is that some people refuse to change these views when shown significant evidence pointing that they are wrong

[–]RallyMech 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then they just switch to raw numbers. "248 is a lot of people!", they will shout. Then you mention 10,000 people die from drunk driving every year, but breathalyzers are required to drive a car.

[–]thatoneguystephen 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

I tried this argument the other day. All they wanted to focus on was specifically mass shootings like what happened last weekend. They said "They were used in x, x, x, and x. They need to be banned." while completely ignoring everything else. It was like talking to a brick wall.

[–]oooo_ahahahah 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

EXACTLY! I have also heard, "who cares if its 1% these are lives--shouldn't we do something?" They dont understand that there are such things as bad ideas. AWB is a bad idea. It would have ZERO effect on gun deaths and would ONLY effect the lives of law abiding citizens.

[–]v4vendetta 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

1994 - Assault Weapons Ban

1995 - Oklahoma City Bombing. 168 confirmed deaths, 680+ injured.

Terrorists will find a way to terrorize.

[–]Papa_Hemingway_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. If guns were banned, terrorists would just spend their time cooking up bombs

[–]thatoneguystephen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. I even pointed out that one of the weapons used in Columbine was specifically designed around the AWB stipulations and the VT shooting was carried out with common handguns, I got nowhere. It's like they think the AR15 has some sort of voodoo magic that makes it deadlier than other rifles that are functionally the same.

[–]fzammetti 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The argument they make is "an AR-15 makes one person more deadly in a single incident". And, if we're being honest, that's usually going to be a true statement.

But, they way I counter this is by asking a simple question: if you had a choice between a 1% chance of winning $1 million in the lottery, or a 99% chance of getting $1000 a week for the next 10 years, which would you choose?

Everyone of course says they'd take the $1000. Yeah, because they're seeing the bigger picture: a virtual guarantee of $120k versus a very low chance of a lot more. Its seeing the bigger picture over the long term.

And then I point out that they're proposing a ban based essentially on the 1% case rather than the 99% case. Look at the bigger picture: yes, a single incident may be more deadly, and obviously that's scary, but the bigger picture is that the TOTAL number of deaths just doesn't justify a ban. It sounds cold, but it's true.

Sometimes they make the connection and concede the point, but usually not. I still try.

[–]TripleChubz 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

The problem with Gun Control is it's a self-fulling fallacy. Each failure of their policy turns into an excuse for an additional restriction. It will never be enough because their medicine can't prevent the symptom of the larger issues.

Today they will say "We'll save lives if we ban this one thing!" Tomorrow another tragedy will occur and they'll scream "Our ban didn't go far enough! We need to ban more!" They've done this before: NFA (1934), GCA (1968), Hughes (1986), AWB (1994-2004)... the march goes on...

This leads to the obvious conclusion that gun controllers are only interested in confiscation. That is the only end-result of their logic, and it is something we cannot allow.

[–]dbadaddy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is as well written and concise as i've seen. thank you.

[–]pdawes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Realistically, gun grabbers concede that you should be allowed to own a single-shot .22LR for hunting provided you pass the appropriate license and registration and psych eval. This is what their idea of "reasonable regulation of 2nd amendment rights" is. There was a Brady Campaign AMA where the guy admitted as much.

[–]ChopperIndacar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This also works if you apply it to government in general. Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure. Total control is an eventuality of this.

[–]dead_indian 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The comments on the article are cancer. More variations on

"b-b-b-but you don't need one"

[–]jdmgto 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the internet, the comments are always cancer.

[–]praiserobotoverlords 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why I need an AR-15...because mass murderers have AR-15s and I can afford to arm myself against them.

[–]sundry_oracle 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a great article.

[–]jdmgto 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Been reading most of what he's written and the guy is very on point.

[–]costanza_vandelay 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

That Osvaldo guy in the comments is smug as hell.

[–]lvdovicvs 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fedora is strong with that one.

[–]mordecaidrake 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is actually a very good read.

[–]StudlyMadHatter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is an excellently written article...can't upvote hard enough.

[–]Hyrax09 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I need and like the AR for a couple of very practical reasons to me. For starters I am on the short side of height and love the adjustable stock. I can shorten it for when I am shooting it and when my sons, both of whom received the gift of height from grandparents I assume, use it, they can extend the stock to fit them easier. We don't required 3 separate rifles sized for short and tall folks. I also have a messed up elbow from my youth and I don't have full rotation of my arm. A tradition stock on a rifle is difficult and uncomfortable to hold and shoot. The pistol grip is far more comfortable. And for all the other reasons folks love this rifle we do as well. Theres no reason to fear this gun.

[–]Motheroftheworld 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you. And like you I have a messed up left wrist which allows me to hold and shoot a larger, heavier rifle for about 3-4 seconds. My lighter weight AR-15 with a vertical fore-grip allows me to shoot for longer periods without loss of control of the firearm.

The first time I shot an AR-15 was one one of my sons' has. I had to bench shoot it due to the weight and lack of a vertical fore-grip. But, wow, those five shots made me want an AR-15. Went right out and had one built. It is great to shoot and fits me and my specific needs perfectly. It is a great platform.

[–]9mmstrat 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

To help ensure the security of a free state, and all that entails.

[–]IMR800X 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People seem to have forgotten that.

It has nothing at all to do with "sporting use" or "self defense".

It is to ensure that the government continues to serve the people, not the other way around.

[–]IMR800X 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

“why is there no moderate alternative to the NRA that attracts middle-of-the-road gun owners?”

Beacuse the NRA is already "middle of the road." Too far in the middle. The whole thing is my cake and I want it all.

So called "common sense regulation" of any other part of the Bill of Rights would have people rioting in the streets. Or it should.

That old Tree of Liberty is looking a might bit parched these days.

[–]pdawes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a good article for fence sitters. Share it on your social media if you can stomach a little comment ignorance.

[–]1337BaldEagle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a really great post.

[–]shin0bi272 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The funny thing is the media and the left keep calling the ar15 a weapon of war but it was a civilian rifle first that got sold to the military... does that mean we should ban 1911's too cause those were military first then sold to civilians?

[–]brilego 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post says it all

[–]fzammetti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The comments attached to the article... when will I learn, you NEVER read the comments :(

[–]multi-gunner 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This article touched on something I've been thinking about for awhile.

The ar15 isn't a rifle at all.

It's a meme, and one that's particularly virulent as it's gone through many many permutations and exists in nearly every form from box stock rifles to STL files suitable for 3d printing, and even versions that have mutated in such a way as to be compliant with even the most asinine and draconian gun control laws.