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What consent is and isn't (self.Truecels)

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In civilized societies the act of rape is seen as a crime against a woman's father or husband.

(Some exceptions do exist, though. For example, raping a prostitute who refused to serve you AND refused to take your money or raping a widow. But such instances are rare.)

Yet, even in such societies consent measures something very important - if a married woman is cheating on her husband or is she being raped. I guess a somewhat similar example would be with unmarried young girls, if they're being raped or fooling around, though in such societies women are unlikely to do the latter, since they're socially conditioned against it.

But consent was never even considered in terms of acknowledging some slut's whims.

The current idea that consent is a sole arbiter of rape, even with utterly demented sluts who have taken hundreds of cocks, is insane and will be one day (and I believe sooner than feminists might expect) laughed at as the incredibly delusional, harebrained notion it is.

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[–]hsb42 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

This makes me ill. No matter if a woman is a virgin, has a husband, or has had multiple sex partners, if she does not give consent to your particular hands, penis, whatever, you have no right to touch her. I don't care if she's literally slept with every other man on the planet, if she does not want you to touch her you do not.

Same goes the other way, of course. No man should be forced into doing anything he does not want.

Have you heard of the tea argument? It's simplistic but I think it gets the point across rather well. You may have drunk tea every day of your life, but if today you do not want it, no one can or should force you to consume it. Even if they went through the trouble of preparing tea while waiting for your visit, if you get to theirs and pass, they shouldn't get annoyed and make you have it.

I realize you'll call me an idiot and dismiss this with barely a glance, but I could not go through the day if I did not say this.

[–]Spock5eyebrow 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

Consent is gender neutral.

Here is a perfect explanation of it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

[–]caamib[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

I must admit I haven't watched the entire video but only because the premise doesn't sit well with me. Sex is something women have and men want and tea isn't so how can you compare these?

[–]Spock5eyebrow 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

No you're thinking about this wrong. What if the person offering tea is the woman? What if the person refusing tea is the man? What if they are both women? What if they are both men?

Sex is not something one person 'has' and another person 'wants'.

It's not an object or a thing. Sex is an act, an interaction between two or more people. By its nature, it's an intimate act that can cause great happiness or great pain depending on how it's undertaken.

Assuming women guard sex like a thing is a mistake. It's a relationship of the moment (in something like a one night stand), or longer (in the context of emotions and connection over time with other things besides actual sex).

Forcing someone (male or female) into sex they do not want is wrong. Guilting someone (male or female) into sex they do not want or are not ready for is wrong. Fucking someone (male or female) who are drunk or passed out is wrong.

That is what consent is about. Two or more people, of whichever combinations of genders is agreeable, who want at that moment to fuck. It's the difference between the great satisfaction that good sex can give you, and the unbelievable pain that forced, non-consented to sex can cause.

[–]caamib[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Assuming women guard sex like a thing is a mistake. It's a relationship of the moment (in something like a one night stand), or longer (in the context of emotions and connection over time with other things besides actual sex).

This is the only hard part holding this diarrhea so I'll reply to this and it's basically like replying to an entire post - what nonsense. Any woman who goes out in bar or offers sex on a dating site tonight could see I'm right and you're wrong.

[–]Spock5eyebrow 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

A woman on a dating site is most often looking for a relationship. They aren't dangling sex in front of you. You are refusing to see them as people and this is why you are having so much trouble.

[–]caamib[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

It doesn't matter what women are usually looking for. I said she could offer sex on a dating site and get lots of it tonight.

You are refusing to see them as people and this is why you are having so much trouble.

In fact, whenever I treated them like shit I was successful and whenever I treated them well I was hated. Read https://www.reddit.com/r/Truecels/comments/4fwv2w/story_of_and_lessons_from_my_second_gf/ for one example, and I have more

[–]Spock5eyebrow 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

So you don't care if you treat people like dirt so long as you get your rocks off?

[–]caamib[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Huh? I would ideally like to get a polite, sane wife who I could do a lot more than get my rocks off. However, whenever I wanted that women hated me. Whenever I treated them like vermin they are they liked me. You do the math.

[–]Spock5eyebrow 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You really aren't getting it.

[–]caamib[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ok, so what am I not getting? Don't just accuse me and then fail to explain.

[–]hsb42 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

:) I just finished mentioning that above and noticed your link after I hit send.