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[–]Jaywearspants 23ポイント24ポイント  (113子コメント)

good

[–]Willcookforyou 19ポイント20ポイント  (112子コメント)

Why

[–]hillman7 109ポイント110ポイント  (11子コメント)

Same reason we don't need to glue a dick onto Lara Croft

[–]uss1701jb 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because people complain that Link is supposed to be a representation of the player, without realizing that he's closer to Lara Croft than the Pokemon PCs.

[–]darthfluffy63 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah man, we totally need a Larry Croft option in the next Tomb Raider. Give us a choice! /s

[–]TheHonestOcarina 26ポイント27ポイント  (97子コメント)

Cos Link is a dude and they don't need to change that. Nintendo can make a game where you play as Zelda, like if the Triforce distribution gets messed up or another OoT-type scenario happens, or maybe give Link a sister that needs to save him, but maingame Link is male.

[–]poppy-picklesticks 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

We had a Zelda with a female protagonist.

It was called Twilight Princess and the heroine's name was Midna.

[–]jtierney50 24ポイント25ポイント  (79子コメント)

I mean, the only thing that makes Link "Link" is the fact that he is the reincarnation of the Hero of Time (exceptions obviously excluded). There's nothing that says the Hero of Time can't be reborn into a girl's body.

[–]SkyNTP 34ポイント35ポイント  (8子コメント)

You are conflating characteristics of a character in-universe and characteristics that make a character recognizable to the audience. The latter matters. The traits that define Link are pretty clear cut and set in stone, just like they are for Ganon and Zelda.

There's no need to go around confusing audiences just to be a bit more PC. If you want leading ladies or player-customised characters, then make games with new characters, don't butcher old ones.

[–]SupDoodlol 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

characteristics that make a character recognizable to the audience

Yeah, like his androgynous and sometimes feminine physical features.

[–]gahlo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congratulations, you're looking at an Eastern designed character from a Western perspective, which has different views on what makes somebody masculine or feminine.

[–]BlackHawkGS 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Uh, I would argue Link's tunic is far more recognizable and iconic than his gender (he already looks somewhat feminine to begin with.) And they just changed his tunic out. I don't think we've even seen footage of BotW with Link in a green tunic.

What about his gender defines him here, more than something like his tunic? Honestly, if I didn't know this was a Zelda game and saw some screenshots of this, I might not even know it was Link to begin with. A lot of people thought he was Zelda after the first reveal.

[–]Nikittele 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

For me personally Link would not be Link if they suddenly made him female. No specific reason, it just wouldn't be him. Just as I identify other people partly by their gender, I identify Link as a "guy". Seeing him dive into the water, bare chested, as a dude fits. Yes he looks feminine but that doesn't matter to me, Link is a guy end of story. I would have a really hard time getting over the fact that they changed his gender. Nintendo of course is free to do so if they please but I don't know if I'd enjoy the game as much (yes gameplay and story have nothing to do with his gender but being weirded out by it would ruin my experience to some degree).

[–]-Mountain-King- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what you're saying is that if they added an option to let yu chose his gender, you would continue to play as a guy. Would it be wrong if others chose to play as a girl?

[–]cubemstr 17ポイント18ポイント  (69子コメント)

Except that in all the games that have been made, it's always been a dude. It's basically all but confirmed that the 'reincarnation of the hero' is always just another version of the original one, who was a dude.

[–]hothraka 4ポイント5ポイント  (58子コメント)

Having the option to play as a female link would be nice though. Like just getting to select a gender when you start your file. Don't see any possible downside to that.

[–]prefonberry 11ポイント12ポイント  (28子コメント)

And it adds nothing to the story and takes away from the characterization of Link, making that character just a shell

[–]ZachGuy00 1ポイント2ポイント  (27子コメント)

The character IS a shell.

[–]prefonberry 16ポイント17ポイント  (18子コメント)

Link isn't, in every game he has a strong back story, the npcs react to Link as though he can communicate beyond grunts and hiyas. We as the player don't get to see that portion of the story because the creators feel that gives the difference between being immersed in the game and watching the game like a movie. The real point being that a lazy gender swap would be bad writing and they'd be better off making a new character or taking an established female character and creating a new narrative. And lastly while Link has slight androgynous features keep in mind that Link is rarely portrayed as older than 17 and more often younger, and so sex specific features aren't going to be as pronounced.

[–]sigismond0 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

Link isn't, in every game he has a strong back story

Okay, let's see:

  • Minish Cap - You have no backstory other than "blacksmith's grandson"
  • Link to the Past - You have no backstory other than "random knight guy's nephew"
  • Legend of Zelda - You have no backstory whatsoever
  • Ocarina of Time - You were a kid dropped off in a forest in the middle of a war, but nothing about that establishes a strong backstory as a boy
  • Wind Waker - You're a random old lady's grandson
  • Twilight Princess - You're a random person that lives in the woods

Actually, link has no backstory whatsoever, nevermind a "strong" one. The only games where he does are sequel games like Majora's Mask, Adventure of Link, Link's Awakening, and Phantom Hourglass.

[–]JavelinR 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

in every game he has a strong back story

The first game literally drops you into an open world with no backstory at all. In fact story itself is more of a recent thing. The Zelda series is primarily about exploration.

[–]moon_physics 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

How would it be bad writing? Nothing about the generic ways npcs treat him would be different if he was a different gender. The only personality traits Link has are being brave, and in some of the recent ones, occasionally being awkward or goofy, nothing that's tied to him being a dude.

If you don't think having a female option is a good idea because you believe Link just should be only a guy, then say that, but lets not pretend Link is some extremely fleshed out, fully contextualized well written character because he's not. In most games (save maybe Skyward Sword), you could swap out the model and pronouns in a few dialogues, and the game would be exactly the same.

[–]Nikittele 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

the creators feel that gives the difference between being immersed in the game and watching the game like a movie.

Now it finally clicks with me why I can't seem to enjoy games like Tomb Raider or Uncharted. They're puzzle and explore games like Zelda but the hyper realism and the characters actually talking take me out of the immersion rather than pushing me in deeper. Never had that problem with Zelda.

[–]ZachGuy00 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not lazy, he's literally reincarnated every game. That's not an excuse, that's just what happens. Link is a completely different character in every game. In some games he has blonde hair, in some games he has brown. Sometimes blue eyes, sometimes black. In this game he has a totally different outfit. What difference does making Link a woman and not a man make?

[–]hillman7 -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

If Link is a shell to you, then you don't understand this game

[–]ZachGuy00 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, sure, it's not like I've been a fan of Zelda for years or anything.

[–]fandango328 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're effectively replacing a critical role and character of the game with what is effectively an Avatar. His character is the reincarnation of the spirit of the Hero not some average Joe you can customize and project yourself onto.

[–]-Mountain-King- 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's the reincarnation of the spirit of the Hero, but he is also an avatar for you to project yourself onto (although there isn't any customization beyond your name). That's why Link is a silent protagonist, so you get to imagine that you're the one speaking.

[–]cubemstr -4ポイント-3ポイント  (24子コメント)

Other than it muddles the canon, which people care about.

[–]Dustinss5 6ポイント7ポイント  (19子コメント)

If people care so much about their cannon then they'd know that Link is just a reincarnation.

I haven't seen anything in cannon that says different Links all have to be male.

You guys are getting upset over something so, so silly.

Edit: unless I missed the "Rules of Reincarnation" book somewhere in one of the games. Please correct me if I have.

[–]cubemstr 2ポイント3ポイント  (18子コメント)

Ganon has always been a man. Zelda has always been a woman. Clearly the rules of reincarnation in this series is gender specific. It's not that fucking difficult to understand.

[–]RGBJacob 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Canon means its official. "Its always been done that way" doesn't make it canon.

[–]JavelinR 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ganon is usually the same exact character, not a reincarnation, who comes back by breaking out of a prison or being revived. Zelda isn't a reincarnation either but a decedent who has the name because it's passed down the royal family.

[–]Dustinss5 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

Ganon was also a pig once. His image has changed over the years.

I mean what the fuck kind of point are you trying to make? This is as silly as a heated timeline debate on YouTube.

Zelda games are about the adventure, among other things. Not about having a penis.

[–]moon_physics 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't think it muddles the canon at all. Nothing inconsistent with having an incarnation of the hero be a woman, they just haven't done it before, but this game is all about breaking traditions, so why can't that one be broken?

Of course they don't have to do it, but if Nintendo chose to make that an option, I would totally support it and it would make a lot of people happy.

[–]Nikittele -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

but this game is all about breaking traditions, so why can't that one be broken?

One step at a time. I'm not a fan of the female link idea and at first I wasn't sure if I liked the RPG things they added to BotW (stats? Different gear/weapons? Making food, eating it mid-battle? What is this, Skyrim: zelda edition?!) but it's growing on me more and more. If they made Link female the idea might grow on me but I'd prefer it not to be pushed on top of the RPG gameplay.

[–]moon_physics 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait are there stats beyond stats of the weapons? I feel like it makes sense there just so all the weapons are different and you get rewards for exploring and finding better ones.

But yeah, it looks like Aonuma's clarified there won't be a female link, so its a bit of a moot point. I just think all the people saying that one would break the canon are being a bit silly. They've already made a female hero Linkle who is essentially female Link. They could have an incarnation of her be the hero of a future game, I think that would be pretty cool personally.

[–]PrnPolt -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

i think they'd be down to do that. But then they'd have to decide if Zelda would be male for romance purposes. Then LGBT would ask why not have both female. At which point Nintendo doesn't have a way to check a player's sexual orientation to decide the gender's of the characters.

So why not just streamline it from the beginning.

[–]RGBJacob 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

for romance purposes

In the majority of Zelda games there's nothing romantic between the two. In a lot they don't even talk or even include Zelda at all

[–]strgtscntst 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's left open enough, and I wouldn't mind at all if we played a femlink sometime. Plenty agree with me on this. Link would still be badass and probably fairly androgynous.

[–]bingleshmink 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Him being being female would completely defeat the point of him looking androgynous though. At that point he would just look like and be a girl. The whole point is to make him look a male yet have female features. If he's a female with female features, then he's not androgynous, he's just a girl. The ironic thing about the whole situation is that if Anouma never told people this Link's gender back at e3 2014, no one would have known whether he was male or female, which is the whole point.

[–]strgtscntst 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

I suggest you look up the definition of the word "androgynous". It doesn't mean he looks like a girl.

[–]PrnPolt 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think he knows what it means.
Generally people think that there's male, female and androgynous as half of male and female, both physically and in character.

I'm not sure what you mean by femlink would be androgynous though. Because one way to look at it is to say "femlink is female so why would it be "fairly androgynous?" as per the idea above.

Another way is to say "Femlink has female physical charecteristics, but she's still a badass monster slaying hero, so she's androgynous." But that would be to say those characteristics are solely male. Which i don't believe and saying so will cause a shitstorm.

So i'm not sure what in what direction you mean to say femlink would be fairly androgynous, but still i agree Link is pretty badass.

[–]sigismond0 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Basically, you're saying to refuse to acknowledge that a FemLink could have male characteristics to make her somewhat androgynous?

[–]strgtscntst 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My apologies. I meant to use "femlink" to indicate female, not feminine. His features blur the line enough that minor changes in dialogue and voice acting would suffice for a badass female link, and without destroying the character or lore.

[–]bingleshmink 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

He does though, that's the whole reason why Anouma had to explicitly stated Link's gender back at e3 2014. When the game was first revealed, people legitimately thought Link was a girl, which is what caused the whole uproar in the first place.

Also: "partly male and partly female in appearance; of indeterminate sex."

[–]strgtscntst 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly. All it would take for a female link is a change in pronouns and an edit (or removal) of shirtless shots. It's not a drastic change, far from game/lore-breaking. I wouldn't mind. All I'm saying.

[–]MusicMink 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

How his Link's gender any more integral to their character than their ability to jump?

[–]gahlo 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be fair, this is a Zelda game. The ability to jump is an incredibly big deal.

[–]MusicMink 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's the point. To many people, being able to play as female Link would also have been an incredibly big deal.

[–]gahlo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would it really though? As the treehouse presentation has shown us they can just make Link eat spicy food and objectify him while he's shirtless.

[–]Dustinss5 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Zelda is essentially an rpg.

I don't see the issue in picking your gender.

We're talking about reincarnation and shit.

[–]DrJurassic 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't think it's anything like an RPG. You have no real control over who your character will be. You will always be Link. Calling Legend of Zelda a RPG would be like calling Assassins Creed a RPG. The story in Legend of Zelda has always been the same for everyone's experience. When I think of a RPG, I think Elder Scrolls or Mass Effect in which the main character has decisions that matter and can have the main character be differentiated in personality and motives.

[–]Dustinss5 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

Zelda is an adventure game, sure. But to say there's no RPG elements whatsoever in Zelda games is silly.

But I must just be getting old because this entire "Link should always be male 100% of the time he is reincarnated" is such a dumb thing to argue about.

I really don't give a shit.

Nobody else should either, since you would get the choice.

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    [–]Dustinss5 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Wew Lad, that's not what I said m8.

    Read again, slower this time.

    Zelda is an adventure game, sure. But to say there's no RPG elements whatsoever in Zelda games is silly.

    [–]Servasus 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    RPG elements =/= RPG. The story is linear, and the characters are set. There's virtually zero reason to allow the player a choice in gender when Link has always been a male character.

    [–]Dustinss5 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    ...Try one more time, even slower maybe?

    RPG elements =/= RPG.

    I know, which is why I said the following, twice:

    Zelda is an adventure game, sure. But to say there's no RPG elements whatsoever in Zelda games is silly.

    And the following comment is so dumb it hurts my head:

    There's virtually zero reason to allow the player a choice in gender

    And what's your reason for not including the choice for gender? This is the Legend of Zelda.

    Do you know what the word "legend" means? "Legend" implies a tale that is passed down generation to generation. In fact, legends change over time as younger generations retell the stories. That's literally what a "legend" is.

    Legend (Noun): a nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down by tradition from earlier times.

    Hmm. It almost sounds like a "legend" isn't entirely factual but instead is fluid, and minor details (such as the sex or gender of a character) can certainly change throughout the numerous retellings of the story through the ages.

    [–]7thHanyou -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So Final Fantasy XI isn't an RPG?

    Your definition is too narrow.