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[–]pink_gabriel 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

My general reaction to these discussions in the wake of my nation's reaction to the recent tragedy in Orlando is that I think it's amazing that we can apparently talk with ease about passages in the Bible which can be used to justify homophobia, violence and murder as the Christians' god's "judgment," and yet for some reason people seem to want to use the Quran as textual evidence of Islam's supposedly inherent homophobic violence and then further use that "evidenced" homophobia as a justification to deport Muslims from the United States. Few people who are familiar with the actual words of the Quran and the Bible both would deign to judge the Quran as inherently more violent or homophobic, but that's the common conclusion of so many misguided armchair theologians (although, somewhat to the credit of the linked thread's OP, there is little mention of such things). The Quran mentions Jesus by name more frequently than the Bible does, and indeed many worshipers throughout history have cited the Quran's resemblance to the Bible as proof of its divinity. Consider the role of violence in the history of both of these two faiths, and it becomes apparent that single-minded persecution of Islam or Muslims undermines the pursuit of the real issue at hand (ex: geographic problems resulting from the Treaty of Versailles, and further western involvement in armed Middle-Eastern conflict, wide cultural barriers, plus other reasons).

As for the thread in question, creating commentaries on "judgment" begs the question, "For what are these victims being judged?" That assumes we are talking about the victims, but that does seem to be the context of this thread. The one thing all the victims seem to have in common is that they were assumed LGBT/GSM people, which then creates the quite apparent connection of:

LGBT/GSM person in life = judged after death

and that hardly seems fair. That's homophobia and bigotry, no matter how many polite religious disguises it dons.

[–]Qadash 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe all people are judged after death. No special emphasis on LGBT.

We are called to love people in this world, not persecute them based on their disagreement with us.

[–]GottaScreamPls[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is important, when especially trying to rationalize why God would allow this, or prevent such an act. A few things to remember: I would venture to say that most of those killed probably have heard the Gospel at some point in their life. Why this is important, is that they had opportunity to repent. We are not guaranteed anything in life. Not even the next moment. Every breath is given by God. So we are living by God's grace, and every moment that we exist is one extra moment to get things right with God. Why is it okay for people to die at 80 years old, but we cry foul when someone dies at 21? What is the cross-over when its okay? Life is short either way, compared to eternity. We need to be less focused on the why's, but the what if's. What if we attempted to minister more? Maybe tried harder to invite to church? Its God's timing. Not ours.

+4, folks

[–]Mabonagram -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're way off base.

This is a group of people trying to reconcile a seemingly senseless act of violence with their belief in an all powerful and benevolent god. People rationalizing the massacre within a Christian framework.

Saying "some good may come of this" isn't celebrating the death. It's looking to an eventual silver lining to the big, dark cloud that is hanging over Orlando.

[–]GottaScreamPls[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

go fuck yourself

they literally said 'lol oh well they shoulda repented"

deport christianity

[–]Mabonagram -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Saying literally and putting quotes around your horibly skewed misrepresentation of someone is pretty damn telling. There isnt even a hint of any dismissive tone in that post, no matter how much you wish it to be.

Everything said in there is pretty boilerplate "everything happens for a reason, God has a plan even if we can't see it" stuff. Hell, people are even posting events like this should compel people to do more, show more love and do more outreach, give more to charity so as to do as much good in our short lives as possible.

If your response to such an anodyne thread is "deport christianity" maybe the problem isn't with christianity, maybe it's with you.

[–]GottaScreamPls[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

deport u

now get out, slaughter justifyer

[–]Qadash -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Justifying, no. We are having a theological discussion about it.

Way to skew the facts.

[–]GottaScreamPls[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

get out christian

is that they had opportunity to repent

this is victim blaming you piece of shit

but ultimately I think more good than bad will come of it

this is you literally calling it good you piece of shit

deport christianity

[–]Qadash -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

You love to rip things out of context. "Opportunity to repent" was a discussion on afterlife, not justifying why they died.

Good can come from tragedy. Silver linings. Talking about why their deaths weren't in vain.

[–]GottaScreamPls[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

and you love being a useless shit

you edited your post to make it not seem as evil

cowardly shitstain

[–]Qadash -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean...I fixed some spelling mistakes...are spelling mistakes evil?

[–]Kanshan -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Hi all,

I am a moderator of r/TrueChristian

r/TC is a very conservative forum. And we get a long of belief systems of that end of the spectrum. I know that somethings seem from an outside view of that. But please be gracious in your judgment of these people as they try and deal with this terror and feelings of dread they too experience. They too mourn in their own way.

[–]GottaScreamPls[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

get out

no one gives a shit and no one wants your fake ass olive branch

[–]Kanshan -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I understand that if you don't understand what they are saying that you might feel like they are victim blaming. As other have pointed out they are not doing that.

When they say they had time to repent it isn't saying God sent his judgment or trust me I would have removed it. These people are struggling with how they view God and how they understand horrors like this. That is all.

[–]GottaScreamPls[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

These people are struggling with how they view God

hopefully they can abandon their deranged mindsets, then

As other have pointed out they are not doing that.

yes they are. the whole "they had the chance to repent" thing is vomit inducing

fuck you and deport christianity

[–]Sharkictus 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Deport it...to where?

[–]GottaScreamPls[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

to

um

to the place

yeah

you know the place

it's, uh, right next to that one other place across from the kwik-e-mart

edit deport the place

[–]Kanshan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Insulting people and calling names will never bring them over to your side or even to the table to talk peace.

You've got a lot of anger a lot of hurt as well it seems. Thanks okay, maybe your a member of the community this happened to or you know/knew a victim of this horrific event. I am sorry you feel this much pain. I am sorry you feel the need to lash out.

But if you want to lash out at /r/TrueChristian I want you to know that it is okay. If something there is setting you off or triggering bad emotions I would advise you to avoid in and seek out healthier forums to read. Lashing out in anger usually isn't the best way to let out emotions but if it helps. Then take care of yourself and be safe. I hope you find healing from your suffering.