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Tumblr whiners think Willam hates PoC (self.rupaulsdragrace)

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[–]MatronneGeorgiaAwright 3ポイント4ポイント  (28子コメント)

What's a PoC?

[–]gbinasiaSweating like a hooker in church 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

a Person of Concern.

[–]MatronneGeorgiaAwright 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought it was a Person of Condone or a Person of Chirpin'

[–]JulezBeKlassyIt was an accident, I thought it was blow! 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Girl just say converse

[–]CaptainnTI don't get ready...I stay ready. -2ポイント-1ポイント  (24子コメント)

(People of color) It's a term non-white people use for people who are non-white. (I've rarely heard white people outside of tumblr use the term people of color)

It implies white people are not a color and are the "default" human...it's kind of stupid but I don't expect much more from tumblr.

[–]kingbanjee 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

This used to be a slur before a few years ago lmao. It alienates non-white people from white people, it brings themselves down. "There's the whites, and the people of color" How can anyone be okay with calling themselves that?

[–]nikg2012Bob the Drag Queen 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's not what it does at all. In America, in almost any written context you will see "white people" then something like "blacks" "asians" "hispanics" because in our culture white is the default. Using PoC is a broad term that keeps the word people/person in it to still give them humanity.

Even in what you said, you said non-white. I highly doubt you meant it in a negative way at all, but stuff like that is why the term exists.

[–]kingbanjee -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Um, no, there's a difference. Non-white means non-white. As would non-black about other races. "People of color" is basically "let's round up all the minorities and make them a smaller category next to the almighty white defaults." Stop treating white as the default race.

[–]nikg2012Bob the Drag Queen 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a substitute for non-white. Because when you say non white you say "white and everything else" because in America white IS the default and you can't just pretend that it isn't.

There are many different races and many different colors, when talking about race you can't list them all because groups will always not get mentioned. There's only one white race. So you use poc as an umbrella term similar to how you use trans as an umbrella term even though there are many different things that qualify as trans.

We can't change culture in a day but what we can do is adapt to it while it does change. If race wasn't so constructed we wouldn't have this problem so just let it be and find ways to be productive in helping the change rather than arguing why something isn't helpful to poc.

[–]notbarneyandfriendsLaila McQueen 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Finally someone taking sense! People arguing over the semantics are dumb it's like if people used "non straight" as a shorthand for all of the LGBT community! Defining something/someone as what they're not is one of the most alienating things you can do with language in my opinion.

[–]dcmldcmlCynthia Lee Fontaine -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with your sentiment, but I'd say "non-white" does that a whole lot more than "person of color" does.

[–]truetbhChi Chi DeVayne 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

so was "queer" but now queer people use it as a form of identification not because they're "alienating" themselves from straight/cis people, but because while homophobia/transphobia still exists, it's necessary for people to be able to a) identify themselves b) establish how homo/transphobia affects them

does that make sense? like, the reason we still have white/black/etc even though race is technically a social construct is because whether or not it's "real", people still acknowledge it like, one woman can say she doesn't consider herself black but if she looks like this other people are going to be like "she's black!" and she may experience racism etc etc

I'm just trying to explain the issue not trying to like, attack you jsyk

I guess another example is "gay"

Gay wasn't exactly a slur but it definitely didn't have a positive connotation

But gay people still refer to themselves as 'gay' because, well, they're different from everybody else in one significant way (hey, they like people of their own gender! not like those other people) and are they "alienating" themselves by saying they're gay? No, they're just identifying themselves as all sharing this characteristic and experiencing this etc..

I actually don't like the term "poc" either but I'm just explaining is all

[–]kingbanjee -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, there's a different. You can take back "colored" like we did queer. For example, using queer as identification. What we DON'T do is "Straight people and queers" That's belittling ourselves. As does "Whites and people of color." Straight/white is not "default" and we shouldnt treat it as such

[–]truetbhChi Chi DeVayne 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

what do you propose non white people refer to themselves collectively as then...

In the late 20th century, it was introduced in the United States as a preferable replacement to both non-white and minority, which are also inclusive, because it frames the subject positively; non-white defines people in terms of what they are not (white), and minority frequently carries a subordinate connotation.

[–]CaptainnTI don't get ready...I stay ready. 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, it also implies that whites are people and everyone else is just a people(person) of color

It's very stupid and I had never heard the term before tumblr (I'm 29 years old / white / southern)

[–]ThomseniteBob the Drag Queen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am pretty sure it is more of a term of solidarity like some people use queer. That aside the tumblr OP is clearly a moron.

[–]kingbanjee -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's very self-degrading

[–]truetbhChi Chi DeVayne -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I had never heard the term before tumblr

hmm

[–]CaptainnTI don't get ready...I stay ready. 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh shit I forgot segregation was still alive and running wild in the south.

I hope you realize how long ago segregation actually was. (Btw its 50+ years incase you can't be bothered to google)

[–]dcmldcmlCynthia Lee Fontaine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You say "50+" like it's a long time. It's not, especially in a case like this. There are plenty, plenty of people who still vividly remember Jim Crow, segregation, the Civil Rights movement, etc. Slavery wasn't even all that long ago for the US in relative terms- 150 years is only a handful of generations. Hardly ancient history.

[–]SalchichaIndia Ferrah 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I absolutely hate that term. It makes the world seem like it's whites vs all other races. So fucked up

[–]dcmldcmlCynthia Lee Fontaine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not "vs". It's just a word to refer to all non-white people collectively.

[–]truetbhChi Chi DeVayne 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]ninagemini5000Bob the Drag Queen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much. I hate the term, too.

[–]gbinasiaSweating like a hooker in church -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's also pretty inaccurate, considering black is the absence of color and white is every color...

[–]CaptainnTI don't get ready...I stay ready. 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well to be fair...white people aren't actually white.

They're anywhere from pink to beige to olive-tan.

And black people are anywhere from beige to dark brown to purple-brown.

[–]nikg2012Bob the Drag Queen 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

if you want to try to get technical like that, black as a color is just dark purple, white as a color is a mixture of all colors. The only way black is absence of color is when there is absence of light.

But in a topic of race it's really tasteless to try to simplify it to the technicality of colors because it's obvious that's not what it's about =/

[–]gbinasiaSweating like a hooker in church 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But in a topic of race it's really tasteless to try to simplify it to the technicality of colors because it's obvious that's not what it's about =/

As others pointed out, putting 'white' as this kind of default canvas is stupid; it's not any less stupid if you do it as a minorities advocate. In addition to that, it is techically incorrect.