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Popular twitch streamer boosting subs to champion (self.RocketLeague)

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Not only is this twitch streamer ruining competitive fairness matchmaking for everyone else trying to gain champion before season 2 ends. But he is also gaining subs by boosting them to champion in exchange for money on smurf accounts.

How is this allowed by the community?

-EDIT- I should add I was personally affected by this earlier today. I lost my superstar rank because a RL pro decided to play a lower ranked account and push me to allstar. Sooooo i just stop playing and queueing into 2's until he is done? That seems pretty unfair don't you think?

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[–]chrisychris-Generator-X[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (4子コメント)

Giving this post clearance on any rule breaking as long as it's not witch hunting or posting confidential information. Feel free to post their names as they are community figures.

[–]SoftOathSoftGoat 17ポイント18ポイント  (9子コメント)

Is he using a smurf account for it? From the looks of his tweets I thought he'd just be playing on his normal account to help give them that last push toward champion. If it's the former case that's extremely disappointing.

[–]Homonavn33 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is using a smurf account. Atleast when i watched

[–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Unless he's not a grand champion, he's using a smurf account.

[–]TellMeBBGURL[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Either way, he is playing on another account that doesn't reflect his skill ranking. Further punishing those trying to get to champion the right way.

[–]SoftOathSoftGoat 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yup, just because he's helping one person rank up doesn't even give him a pass because he's hurting the other two people stuck in the lobby with them.

[–]TellMeBBGURL[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

People have already voiced their frustration to him in the in-game chat about matching up against him, he just laughed about it.

[–]helten-007Just write champion next to my flair 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

His nightbot says he's playing on a smurf because he doesnt have any spots left on his friends list.

[–]spoonrakerSpooning Star 38ポイント39ポイント  (14子コメント)

edit For the record, I think Low5ive is making a mistake here. Boosting is never justifiable, especially as a community figure. My post is merely an attempt to get people to consider the full impact of his actions, and carefully consider their own reaction to it before doing something regrettable themselves. end edit

Just to clarify a few things...

  • It's Low5ive that we're talking about here. I don't think providing that name violates any rules
  • He's using an alternate account to help boost subscribers to Champion
  • The alternate account is already ranked at Super Star Division 5 and rising fast.
  • He is not currently, nor has he in the past done anything to artificially lower the rank of the rank of the alternate account. The account he's using is the one that he used to play with Deadmau5. It's just an account that doesn't have enough games to accurately reflect his true skill level.
  • He is only boosting subscribers who are already ranked Super Star (the one right below Champion) and stopping the instant they hit Champion.
  • I asked him why he's even using an alternate account at all for this, and his explanation was basically because it makes the job quicker and easier. He just wants to get people their boost as quickly as possible and impact as few games as possible.

So, yes, when you get right down to it this is boosting. And he isn't denying that. It's certainly fair to criticize this act, but I think it's quite clear that there is no real malice intended here. Lets keep things in perspective before we start making ourselves look foolish. He's playing a handful of games with a few subs who are really close to Champion just to help them get the Season 2 Champion boost.

In my opinion, he should have spent some time getting the alternate account to his true rank before doing this (or just used his main, or just not done this at all because the whole idea is silly), but I don't think he meant to piss anybody off and judging by how he's reacting on his stream I'd say the point has already resonated with him. Lets keep things civil. It's clear he already realizes he made a mistake.

[–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 15ポイント16ポイント  (10子コメント)

He should have used his main account. Period. He's using an account that doens't represent his actual rank. Therefore playing against people unfairly.

Whether or not his intention is to lower the ranks of the people he beats, is not the concern. It's the fact that he's doing it and he's trying to justify it as not being that bad. It is bad and it's a major complaint many people have about this game. It is the reason Psyonix is preventing people from playing ranked with much lower ranked friends.

[–]spoonrakerSpooning Star 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just to be clear, I completely agree with you. He should have used his main account. I don't agree that smurfing on a lower ranked account is ever acceptable.

I'm simply advocating that people consider the full "impact" of this before we start a witch hunt. He knows he's boosting, he's just making the case that he's only playing a handful of games to get it over with quicker, and it's clearly not something he's doing regularly.

You can think what you want about this. Personally I think it's a disappointing way for him to conduct himself as a community figure. However, I also don't think it's the worst thing in the world. I only wish for people to keep their rage in check before doing something regrettable, which seems to happen pretty regularly when the community starts these kinds of witch hunts.

People make mistakes. This is one of them. If anybody wishes to voice their concerns to Low5ive, just be reasonable about it is all I'm saying.

I've already popped into his chat and he answered a few questions of mine where I made it quite clear I didn't agree with the whole concept and the whole exchange was extremely civil.

[–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think any of this is an attack against his character. It is however a disappointing endeavor that we see someone so public doing something so damning to the general population in game. Someone with that much publicity is advertising boosting as if it's "not that bad". It is bad and it's bad enough where the developer had to react and fix the issue.

[–]spoonrakerSpooning Star 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep. I'm not gonna disagree with any of that. My post was just meant as a PSA for the people who are less reasonable than yourself who might start launching personal attacks or who knows what else.

If he stopped boosting on the smurf account and gave a quick apology this would be a complete non-issue in 5 minutes. I think at this point he's only played maybe 5-10 games and has already swapped back to his main account after hearing so much backlash so quickly.

[–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good on him for seeing the fault in his ways. Sad that a backlash was needed to do so though.

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    [–]00Svofinally not bad 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It should also be considered that the difference between Superstar and Champion is way more than it seems. For me, getting from ChalElite to Rising Star was a month-long grind. I would be pissed if someone I knew got to Rising star because they paid someone 5 dollars to boost their rank.

    I imagine this effect is magnified when you get to the highest ranks.

    Whoever does this kind of thing is literally cheating. On top of that, taking money for it is pretty selfish. It also de-values the rank for people who got there legitimately.

    [–]StreetHoeSuperstar 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think you're exaggerating that way more than it actually is. There's a very slim difference between Superstar and Champion, when I heard Season 3 was coming I went from my Div 5 Allstar to Superstar, and today I reached Champ. That's four days, it's not difficult.

    [–]00Svofinally not bad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe it was easy for you. Its not easy for everyone though.

    [–]MalachorFiveLavos 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Is someone going to say the guy's name? If he streaming it on twitch it's not like he's trying to hide it.

    [–]SoftOathSoftGoat 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Check Rule VII. We're aware but it's to make sure it doesn't get deleted as per the subreddit rules.

    [–]Frogloggerssnowars 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

    With Low5ive being a public figure within the community, it's perfectly fine to post this and say his name.

    [–]SoftOathSoftGoat 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Better safe than sorry so that people can actually talk about it, but I suppose you weren't given the same luxury :/

    [–]TellMeBBGURL[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I haven't said the streamers name because it might fall under one of the rules to delete the post. I just want everybody to know this is going on.

    [–]Frogloggerssnowars 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's perfectly fine to say his name, he is a public figure within the community and does not go against the rules.

    [–]JosodeKeyboard4Life 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Just checked twitch to see who you are talking about. Pretty surprised, I saw him as someone that would be completely against boosting. And especially since he's doing it in exchange for money.... that's just not right.

    [–]FoolsLoveAll-Star 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He's quite supposedly very against smurfing and boosting, he's said so multiple times on stream before. But I guess that wasn't actually true.

    [–]Meatwad555Meatwad 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's only okay if he does it.

    [–]theturbolemmingI made it! Now I can tank it! 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Gambit adds his two cents. This is getting juicy.

    Will someone bust out the popcorn gifs?

    [–]RonanErudon 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That response is so awful. Low realizes he's wrong and is just personally attacking Gambit since he has no counter-argument.

    [–]AttachRod 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Here are the results of (most of?) the matches where he smurfs/boosts and screws over his opponents

    http://imgur.com/a/cfZbi

    [–]RocketSammaelPRL [Caster] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LOL at the people who said he wasn't carrying

    [–]KaiserRLThe Custodian 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    evidence.zip

    [–]nohitter21 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Most points in all but one lmao

    [–]TWildManRL 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You ahould maybe remove his subs names, not sure if its against the rules, considering the arent community figures?

    [–]FlawlessFailerIt's all my fault, I know! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is pretty... wait for it... low!

    [–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 5ポイント6ポイント  (25子コメント)

    He doesn't play for mockit anymore.

    I agree with the other points though. It's a douche move and honestly someone so public to this game should not be doing this publically.

    [–]SoftOathSoftGoat 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He's a substitute for Mock-it unless he full-on left them and I wasn't informed.

    [–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was probably mis-informed.

    [–]TellMeBBGURL[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (22子コメント)

    Hard to turn down easy money.

    [–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Well I don't blame him for selling out. It is his livelihood. But it shouldn't be ignored that what he's doing is wrong.

    [–]ClearVision_Maestro eSports 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well I don't blame him for selling out. It is his livelihood.

    Savage!

    Savage!

    Savage!

    [–]TellMeBBGURL[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Exactly why I brought it up.

    [–]I_Need_Cowbellfrostysuds 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

    what easy money is this?

    [–]helten-007Just write champion next to my flair 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

    He's playing on a smurf account and carry paying subscribers to champion.

    [–]TheSnowbroChallenger III 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    You act like he's making bank from this. He gets under $2 each sub. And he's said he's not doing it for money. Doing it for money would be like "Donate over $10 and I'll boost you up".

    In the past few games he's played, he's been carried by his teammates since he's talking to chat most of the time. The last sub he played with only needed to move up 2 divisions. They played 4 games together. You're blowing this way out of proportion.

    [–]officeDrone87 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Are you serious right now?

    Here's the results of his games he is the top score in every single game but one, carrying hard. What a joke that you've been upvoted.

    [–]won_vee_won_skrub[TEAM WORM] Sem;colon 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    You get $2.50 a sub per month.

    You don't have to play that well for a smart to carry you.

    [–]TheSnowbroChallenger III 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Low5ive himself has said he gets around $2. Only top streamers get $2.50 and above. Not to mention there's also taxes taken out, hence he gets under $2.

    [–]won_vee_won_skrub[TEAM WORM] Sem;colon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    $2.50 is the base amount

    [–]SweetToothKaneRising Star 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Clarifying what you make post tax is pointless, you get paid X amount. When you get offered a job they tell you how much you'll make before taxes etc.

    [–]PENGUINSflyGOODSteam|PengiWin 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

    people don't care that he's smurfed, but as soon as he boosts someone everyone loses their minds.

    gibbs smurfs and throws a game and he's revered, but low5 does it to help his subscribers go up ONE rank and he's crucified.

    hillarious.

    [–]Hollor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    gibbs smurfs and throws a game and he's revered, but low5 does it to help his subscribers go up ONE rank and he's crucified.

    hillarious.

    Yes, because this subreddit is all one person. Let's overlook the fact that Gibbs got a lot of shit for what he did too. About half the posts I saw criticized Gibbs for being an asshole in what he did and that it wasn't warranted.

    I'm fairly sure had I known Low5 was smurfing, I would be against that too. And I'm fairly sure many others were.

    What's hilarious is how you make up your own truth and laugh about it. No wait, that's actually quite sad.

    [–]ZeroxposurMouse & Keyboard <3 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Two ranks and people are paying him. Moral reasoning still stands.

    [–]PENGUINSflyGOODSteam|PengiWin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I thought he was boosting people from superstar -->champion?

    [–]mkd028rnfSuperstar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Even better is that a video of Gibbs int trolling and ruining someones game was posted here yesterday, and everyone defended Gibbs, I posted a comment asking why people are blindly defending him and swiftly got downvoted to -20

    It's not just /r/rocketleague though, it's the same in tons and tons of gaming subreddits, especially /r/hearthstone

    TL:DR Reddit is cancer :-)

    [–]Defrath 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

    This is severely overblown.

    [–]3kleo 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    is it?

    [–]Defrath 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I think so, yes.

    I believe this is how Low5ive views it: He's doing a nice gesture for people who have supported him. We're not talking about people who are several ranks away. We're talking about people who are a few divisions away from something they've likely been fighting for until the rank reset. Is he defeating other players in order to help? Of course, but he's beating them usually once. While this is technically boosting, it's not very far off from his actual rank. His "Smurf" was not even 2 ranks away from his main, as far as I could see. It is equivalent to a Challenger 2 playing with a Rising Star. In fact, it would fall under the 3 rank limit that would be enforced within the next patch. Edit: I had wrong information.

    There is no argument: This is boosting, and it's a very minor form of smurfing, but it wasn't done to shit on other players of massively lower skill. It was a skilled player helping out his supporters by trying to help them reach their goal. I don't think that makes Low5ive a bad guy. Definitely not the smartest decision, but it's something we wouldn't readily demonize if it was outside of the public eye.

    He's not making any money. He's helping already pre-existing subs. They're not paying him exclusively for the service. I think boosting several ranks for money is a much more heinous act, and I do not believe Low5ive should be treated as if that is what he has done. This isn't much different from a higher ranked friend helping you rank up.

    Is smurfing bad? Hard to say. Probably. Falls upon personal preference. It's definitely not a debate I'd like to get into right now.

    [–]Homonavn33 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    He's doing a nice gesture for people who have supported him

    But he ruins the game for his 2 opponents EVERY GAME. he may help out 1 guy, but fucks over so many others at the same time. 1 good gesture does not justify 50 bad ones

    [–]Defrath 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm not arguing that. I think "ruin" is a bit extreme, as there was no guarantee they'd have won anyway, but it certainly makes it an uphill battle, that we can agree on. I never said it was right, but he's not stealing from people. I'm just saying that trying to ruin the guy over something a bit nearsighted is unnecessarily witch hunty.

    [–]coldup 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Love how you make the ratio 1:2 and then suddenly it's 1:50.

    [–]Homonavn33 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Its 2 people every game, but after several games it goes up. Its called math

    [–]Chaupt72twitch.tv/chaupt72 19ポイント20ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Repost of my comment from the other main thread:

    Unbelievably disappointing that someone with this high-status in the scene would promote a way to cheat the rank system. I could go into a long rant about why smurfing/boosting is bad - and especially why HIM doing it is wrong - but I think you guys can put two and two together. Basically, it's ruining the experience for 2 new players every single game and only helping out 1 guy. Just think about that in a utilitarian way, imagine how many people are negatively affected throughout the day and only 1 guy gets help. AND he's doing that for 1 person because they give him $ (more on that later in the post).

    I really hope Psyonix gives him more than just a slap on the wrist - even though I know they will not do that because he's such a public figure (which makes this situation so much worse imo).

    Even though he says it's not for $ and he only gets ~$2.XX from each sub - this is obviously not just to help the people that support him from cheating other people out of hard-earned end-of-season rewards chances - it's also to incentivize new people to subscribe (AND all publicity is good publicity).

    I like him as a person but I cannot respect this decision in any way shape or form.

    Edit: I want to redact my statement above; that was a blunt reaction. I genuinely think he's a good guy and I would really be willing to forgive him if he admits his mistake and apologizes. I also really hope people don't personally attack him (Ad Hominem), but question the decision of boosting.

    [–]e00E 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Hey Chaupt.

    Regarding your wish that Psyonix punishes him, do you know if boosting / smurfing is actually against any rules set by Psyonix? I looked around a bit and could not find any official statement stating that that is forbidden. Now I agree with you that it should be, but if there is no official rule against it they really cannot punish anyone for doing something "legal", can they?

    [–]Maxentium 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    No it's not. Psyonix can't punish him without inventing new rules, but I don't think they're willing to go as far as to become a governing body for notable figures in its e-sport scene.

    [–]e00E 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for clarifying. I meant banning it in the same way you would expect hacks to be banned, not governing notable e-sports figures per se.

    [–]Hollor 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's very easy for Psyonix to punish people doing this. Just deny them entry to any Psyonix-hosted or related tournaments forever.

    [–]Maxentium 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Easy, yes. But doing anything of the sort will set a precedent that they'll have to follow through with, as well as giving Psyonix a lot of power that I don't think they would want to have. It's a really bad idea for Psyonix to do anything about this.

    What Low5ive is doing isn't illegal, it's just shunned by in the community.

    [–]PENGUINSflyGOODSteam|PengiWin 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck73w9gXAAAnMbA.jpg:large

    [–]Chaupt72twitch.tv/chaupt72 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Here's my response to that picture in which you or someone else posted on twitter (read from bottom to top because it's twitter): http://puu.sh/psMdU/038f15d8a8.png

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      [–]Cam_NewtonChallenger III 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well put.

      [–]Drakova92 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Someone associated with Mockit shitting all over the community for some easy money, what a surprise!

      [–]Eofbfkkwbdb 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I unfollowed. It's all I can do.

      [–]samsabSamsab 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Same. Real shame, I used to be a fan.

      [–]FlawlessFailerIt's all my fault, I know! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Same here. 1st thing I did after viewing the evidence.

      [–]FoeMaddenmdva 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Woahhhhhhh........ [removed], what are you doing....

      [–]mkd028rnfSuperstar 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I love how people are getting pissed off about this but they don't mind Gibbs int trolling and ruining someones game just because someone else was spamming "What a save!"

      Good job as usual, Reddit.

      [–]JebusOfEaglesChallenger III [PS4] [each category, D2-5] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Right? I like Gibbs, but that wasn't very sportsmanship like either.

      [–]jkugelmanjukelman 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      This isn't witchhunt worthy... but it is lame.

      [–]RunningOutOfViolence 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Or you could look at the VOD instead of accepting to words of these misinformed morons.

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        [–]TMSGI did it Mom! (PC) [2v2] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I mean even Gibbs is doing Spud to Stud.

        [–]ImScaryBroImSoScaryBro 18ポイント19ポイント  (60子コメント)

        UNPOPULAR OPINION TIME.
        You guys are blowing this out of the water, so badly. It's online points that literally mean nothing. He's playing on an account that is superstar, playing with people that are superstar, so what? Is it affecting you? Is it causing your life to be harder? Didn't think so. How about you go yell at Squishymuffinz for boosting to #6 on the 1s leader-board, or all the others that boosted to the top 100 leader-board. I don't understand why you people are in such an uproar, when he's literally boosting people for 1 tier. It's not like hes boosting people that are rising star to champ.

        [–]TankOMFGTriumph | Vohlumes 12ポイント13ポイント  (38子コメント)

        It's causing people that are in that tier trying to get champ legit trouble by losing to a pro player and losing 8 points. He's losing games for 2 ppl at a time while winning them for 1 every 7 minutes. He and Squishy are both pulling douche moves. Doesn't matter how many tiers, boosting is boosting and you're a fuckwad if you do it. And to further it, he's doing it for subs/money for his personal gain and making the game unfair and not fun for two other players per 7 mins, then performing mental gymnastics to act like it's okay.

        [–]FoolsLoveAll-Star 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

        I mean, you're totally right about your post but the hypocrisy here is hilarious.

        [–]civichbca91CivicHB 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Yeah this is all funny to read honestly.

        [–]LaniakeaRLMaster of missing open goals 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Indeed.

        [–]mavgeekSTEAM ID 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

        There are tangible rewards associated with those "points". Maybe some folks care about getting the rewards. Are they the best rewards? Personal opinion but if someone wants the Champ level rewards and tiers below it they'll either bust their ass work hard to get there or get someone to boost them. In this case we're seeing people choose the shittier of the two options; game the system to get closer to the rewards they want before the season ends in a week. If it was just a rank that had no benefit or prize, you'd be 100% right but there are reasons why people do it.

        [–]jkugelmanjukelman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If the points are meaningless then so are Reddit comments. He's doing something some people don't like, and those people are complaining about it, and that's how the world works.

        [–]GythanPRL [Caster] 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

        How the hell do you boost on 1s?

        [–]ImScaryBroImSoScaryBro 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Queue at the same time as a high rank friend, have them forfeit. Squishy got 60 points by doing this with nytrodrift or whatever his name is.

        [–]GythanPRL [Caster] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Wow, that's so douchy. However, is Squishy a major figure in the RL community, and is/did he do this on stream? It makes a bit of a difference.

        [–]ImScaryBroImSoScaryBro 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Not sure, but theres a big difference from doing it to be top 10, and getting someone up one rank.

        [–]GythanPRL [Caster] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Its certainly a shitty thing to do. But I think rigging the system to gain a full rank is worse than rigging the system to move up 10 places on a list of individual players.

        [–]ImScaryBroImSoScaryBro 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        60 points in grand champ 1v1 is a much larger difference than going up a division or 2

        [–]GythanPRL [Caster] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Seems like Grand Champ is Grand Champ, especially considering a bunch of the guys at the top of the leaderboards rarely even bother continuing to play, meaning they aren't gaining or loosing rank. As opposed to the difference between any 2 other ranks, which are much more active.

        [–]Videogeddon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        From what I've heard. Use multiple accounts and matchmake at the same time on both accounts on the lowest populated server. If you get your accounts matched up, quit on the 2nd account. If your main gets a legitimate game, try to win it and start the process again.

        [–]Homonavn33 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I don't think most people hate the fact that he is boosting, but rather that he is TAKING MONEY for it and SMURF. He is literally ruining the matches for 2 other people every game

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          [–]Low_5iveLow5ive 25ポイント26ポイント  (71子コメント)

          Wow, he's probably a horrible person IRL. Should be banned imo

          [–]theturbolemmingI made it! Now I can tank it! 19ポイント20ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Do you want to take the chance to explain your perspective on this? I'd be curious to hear it.

          Edit: Here's a direct quote I just got from his stream. ""The way I see it, yes, boosting is scummy. But I'm not accepting a shit ton of money for this. It's $5 for month, I don't even get $5, I'm just trying to help the people who support people achieve something they want, basically. [...] This is ridiculous. If it helps, someone offered me $150 to help him get to grand champ. I'm not going to do that, that's not the point of it. [...] It's basically sub games."

          [–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Help them by teaching them (like Gibbs) instead of ruining the game for the people you stomp on.

          I don't see how that's hard to understand.

          [–]TankOMFGTriumph | Vohlumes 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It would be sub games if he wasn't on a smurf account. That's the problem.

          [–]samsabSamsab 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          But he IS getting money for boosting, and smurfing no less. If he did it on his regular account, that's iffy, but smurfing as well is just slimy.

          [–]Low_5iveLow5ive 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I'll come back and make a post after I'm done streaming, but that's the gist of it.

          [–]upboatbot3 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

          If someone offered you $150 to help get him to grand champ, you won't. But if they offer you $5 for a month you will. It seems to me that you're saying that because you're not making THAT much money off it, it's okay. The problem people have isn't the money, or the amount(the money just makes it a scummy + sellout move). The problem people have is that you're playing on a lower account, and smurfing, which artificially inflates other people. This makes it harder for everyone who isn't willing to pay you $5, or view your stream to keep their rank, or progress. Considering it is the end of season, and many people are trying to fight for a few spots, it's really a dick move. It's like if you were to play with hacks, and stream it, and think nobody would get upset.

          TL&DR: Even if you didn't collect money, or views from this, it is still a scummy action. The fact you profit off of it just makes it selling out, on top of the scum. I think people's problem is moreso the scummy action, than the selling out aspect.

          [–]vpookiePook 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's not the same as playing with hacks though..

          [–]hibgsteam: /hibg/ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I understand your point of view, your friends lists is full and using your main account would be inconvenient and just an inefficient way of reaching the inevitable end goal. With your main it would take much longer to find matches, the other player would gain virtually no points, and you would have to micro manage your friends list. Honestly everyone is boosting anyway, so if you aren't your basically just letting them take all of your points with no resistance.

          [–]ChimBladePro RL [Caster] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'll comment first.

          [–]civichbca91CivicHB 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

          YEAH!! And that Gibbs guy smurfing too! Man these 2 guys should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the laaawwwww!! >:O /s

          [–]GythanPRL [Caster] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Was about to go off, then I saw the /s. Oh man was I triggered for a minute.

          [–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I find it upsetting that people in the spotlight do things that are so harmful to the community in general.

          [–]TankOMFGTriumph | Vohlumes 10ポイント11ポイント  (39子コメント)

          I mean you can make a joke out of it all you want, but if you think this doesn't make you an enormous asshole then i really don't know what to tell you. Anything for a few bucks i guess.

          [–]dispensewith443Woo rising star 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Not naming any names but ^ is the person this post is about

          [–]civichbca91CivicHB 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

          lol no shit

          [–]dispensewith443Woo rising star 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Just making sure cause it looks like people don't know

          [–]PropertinnyTinny 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

          The only reason you have a stream with viewers in the first place is the Rocket League community. The fact that you will tread over them for your own gain is sickening. Getting points in a game using exploits is being a bit of a twat, you profiting off it and by the looks of things feeling no shame is just being a massive cunt.

          If you had any faith in yourself as a streamer you wouldn't risk losing followers this way. Seems that you don't mind ruining the experience of players who aren't subscribed to you, even though those are likely the very same people who contributed to your success on twitch anyway.

          Not that you care, as I don't subscribe to you, but I'm going to unfollow you and urge others who disagree with what you do to do the same. Of course you've probably decided in your head that you don't care what people think about it, or that enough people just won't care, but I wrote this because I feel very strongly about Rocket League and to think somebody like you, who has benefited from Rocket League many magnitudes more than I have would do something like this is both shocking and disappointing.

          Might not be a huge deal to many of you, but fuck this shit. You want subs? You want money? Earn it fairly like everybody else. Don't ruin the game I LOVE and laugh about it.

          EDIT: I honestly thought that the OP was wrong to begin with. Seems this lackadaisical comment confirms he's right.

          EDIT2: Look at Chaupt's comment if you want a more tempered response. The same points I wish to make without the I-can-hear-you-shouting-through-the-text vibe.

          [–]Homonavn33 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Even though i played a few matches with you in 2's yesterday and sucked really badly so we lost and you probably hate me, i agree with everything you just said. What he did is disgusting.

          [–]PropertinnyTinny 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I can get frustrated in solo 2s haha. We all have bad games, me especially! So long as you earned your rank fairly, you're all good in my book :)

          I'm expecting this to all blow over, but I hope Low5ive learns something from this and doesn't keep thinking he did nothing wrong. So far from what I've seen its unlikely.

          [–]Homonavn33 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You didn't get frustrated at me or anything, i just feel really bad when i lose us the games _^ But yea, i did get my rank by all solo. Was 1 division away from Grand Champion at one point, but then it wen downhill, haha! Low5ive streamed a QnA sort of thing right now and he almost seems proud of what he did... Hopes he can learn tho

          [–]qedic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          triggered

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              [–]under3Dalton1985 - ps4 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yay Online Drama Incoming

              [–]jrobinson3k1Shooting Star 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

              How is this allowed by the community?

              Uhh, what do you want us to do about it? It's already being mostly addressed in season 3.

              [–]Homonavn33 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Sadly no. He can do this in season 3 as much as he want, because he plays on an alternate account.

              [–]vpookiePook 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You'd have to buy the game though, since family shared accounts can no longer play ranked in s3.

              [–]vpookiePook 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              You'd have to buy the game though, since family shared accounts can no longer play ranked in s3.

              [–]Homonavn33 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That is true, but Low5ive does play on a seperated account, so he could do the same in S3, sadly

              [–]jetserpentJetserpent 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

              I actually have a story about this issue.

              So way back at the start of Season 2, I was chatting with a well known RL player. I don't want to reveal their name because of Rule 7- a rule in the subreddit that I am well known for 'enforcing' by letting users in /new know about it. But anyway, we'd been talking for a fairly long time, way back since I first started modding twitch chat- in Kyle's chat, the first one I was ever modded in, he was the person that told me about Uhtred68 running a wonderful giveaway that I actually won a headset from.

              So, this person had been reading about Season 2 and the new ranks since the announcement and had been high on the leaderboards since Pre-Season, in part due to his excellent methods for boosting his account. As a result he has a platinum crown (although I think he'd have got it anyway because he was great at the game). It's worth noting that this was before the purple ranks got involved so champion was what 'Superstar' now looks like.

              The conversation eventually turned to the new rank system and he made me an offer I don't think I'll ever forget. He told me to be in Kyle Masc's twitch chat at 3:30 AM UTC and he'd organise getting me into the champion rank. Of course, me being the naive fool that I was, believed him. And staying up that night, although it screwed up my sleep schedule for weeks on end, really benefitted me in the long run in my opinion.

              We chatted in the abandoned chat for a while until I pointed out that people could see our messages and I suggested we move to whispers. I sent him my Steam ID and he friended me on his smurf account, one that he'd performed a special technique on to make sure it was the optimal smurf. I paid him £10 and he played with me until I was champion. It was the greatest feeling in the world, getting that blue planet next to my name, and I think it inspired me to work more at Rocket League and try to be good enough to earn it for myself.

              Soon enough, I was talking to my friend again- I had another friend who wanted the same service performed. But sadly, this mysterious pro player wasn't willing to waste that much time for a measly $10 for someone who wasn't a friend. He instead offered to tell me exactly how to do it. Of course my response was "Sure! What do I have to do?"

              "Well, I'm not going to share the secret for free..." Confused, I replied, "What do you need?" "I need about tree fiddy." It was around this time I realized that this pro player was about 8 stories tall and a crustacean from the paleozoic era. That damned Loch Ness Monster had gotten me again. "Goddamnit monstah, you ain't getting my tree fiddy!" I shouted as he swam away.

              And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the story of why people who try to smurf will always get their comeuppance in the end.

              [–]Maxb45678 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Who cares. He's playing rocket league with people. He's not breaking any rules. Hes not hurting anybody. He's not doing this all day every day. Anybody claiming they are negatively affected by this might have caught a couple matches against him. Boohoo. I'd be stoked for a shot or two against a pro. Playing against/ watching people better than you is the best way to improve anyways.

              [–]I_Need_Cowbellfrostysuds -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              He's only helping those at the Superstar rank and not taking extra money, just doing it for subs - not that big of a deal

              [–]dispensewith443Woo rising star 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              He's hurting the people he plays against who are trying to get there fairly.

              [–]Eofbfkkwbdb 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's less about the people getting a rank they didn't earn, and more about ruining the games of the other people.

              Being a game or two away from a promotion and meeting a Grand Champ smurf is infuriating.

              [–]jpr208Superstar 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

              I hesitate to call it boosting, considering he's only doing it for people who are already Superstar rank (the rank right before Champion). If anything, they're paying for a reliable teammate.

              [–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

              He's using a smurf account to help players get higher than deserved ranks. That's the definition of boosting.

              [–]jpr208Superstar 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Yeah, I guess I misunderstood the situation. I thought he was playing on his main account. Definitely frustrating if he's misrepresenting his skill level.

              [–]Mr_LovettePRL [Moderator] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That's really the only issue with what he's doing. It's what is defining him boosting right now. If he was on his main it wouldn't be boosting.

              [–]GythanPRL [Caster] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That's not better.

              [–]e00E 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              There are two right and wrongs under which this can be evaluated.

              "This" being creating a new lower ranked account than you main or real account and using that in party with the intention of boosting the other account in the party. The new account lowers the party's mmr making matches easier leading to "boosting".

              The first is if it is allowed under the real "rules of Rocket League" as set by Psyonix in the terms of service. I have not read them and Im guessing 99% of the players have not either. If Psyonix does not want it to happen they could and should forbid it and then enforce it when proof is available. Proof wouldnt always be trivial to obtain but in this case the offender is even admitting to it albeit not thinking they are doing anything wrong..

              The second right or wrong is if this is morally good or bad. I personally dislike it because it puts the other players who have to play against the booster at a disadvantage. The ranked system is supposed to put equally skilled players against each other and if you are boosting this is impossible resulting in a bad experience for other people who can do nothing against it.

              The moral part can be discussed a lot and everyone can have an opinion on it, however the actual rules should be clearly set by Psyonix. Like I said above I dont think they currently have a clear stance on boosting but they really should as boosting is fairly common and often discussed in the community.

              [–]BeRoyal35 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I don't understand what a person feels like they gain from being boosted up to a higher rank. I don't see RL Champ title getting anyone laid. Any so called respect you think you might gain from other players will soon be soiled when you actually play a fair game and they see you are shit.

               

              It's like someone irl getting boosted to being a DR and then being sued to bankruptcy for malpractice b/c they can't actually doctor anything.

              [–]m3ghostm3ghost 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yup. Recently played against a popular streamer (Champion) along with his two smurf friends (Challenger I, new accounts, extremely obvious). Was trying to help my friend reach Rising Star before the reset. With all the smurfing going on, that seems like an impossibility.

              [–]WigsRLWigs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Why is this a thing? Just calm down and start climbing again. The RL community doesn't need this kind of BS drama right now. Regardless of what happened, L5 has helped grow the game and has always given help to people with his videos and has always been positive towards the community. One "mistake" doesn't define a person.

              [–]mavgeekSTEAM ID 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I know who you are talking about. Just tuned into his stream. This is... not good. A higher profile player, at least among the RL streamers and he's basically selling a boosting service if you subscribe to him ($4.99 USD a month) and are within Superstar rank he'll boost you the rest of the way to Champion...I am fucking speechless. I wanted to make a thread about this so bad but I was affraid the mods would destroy me. Can someone forward this to Psyonix?

              [–]ZeroxposurMouse & Keyboard <3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Quote from a member of the opposite team, "I'm starting to hate the RL community". Thanks Low5ive.

              [–]Miiopia -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I've seen multiple streamers smurfing/boosting others on extra accounts. It is what it is. What do you mean how is this allowed? He is not breaking the law. He is playing a video game. Next season will reduce the smurfing but people can still do something like this. Not much you can do about it.

              [–]masatmasat -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Be sure to boo him in chat when he plays casted games. Getting the casters to talk about it will be a great way to get more attention for this behavior and how it is not okay.

              [–]Protatoooojasper2308 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              His subs are now his lawyers. You'll get tons of "It doesn't matter, it's the end of the Season anyway", "It's just a game" or any other dumb excuse.

              [–]coco_higgins -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              guys, ranked is shit anyways

              [–]dishler712 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Why the fuck do the ranks in this game even matter anyway?

              [–]TWildManRL 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              The rewatds means alot to dome people.

              [–]ChimBladePro RL [Caster] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              He's just boosting people up FIVE (pun intended) divisions. What's the big deal?

              [–]MorboAalst -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Well, if you didnt like what you saw, you can always report him to twitch. there's a 'cheating an online game' option. It's not really cheating tho and there are no official rules about this.

              So.....i guess the Tutorials Low posted didnt work for some players and they needed an extra hand ^

              [–]stRiNg-kiNg -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

              You talking about De Boer or however you spell his name? Yea that's right, I said it! Let it be known!! I stumbled upon him being a booster last night wen his name was accidentally said on stream.

              [–]TellMeBBGURL[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I did not know about him doing it also, but no I am talking about someone else.

              [–]stRiNg-kiNg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Eloboosting.com or something. He's one of the boosters. Much different than what 5 is doing

              [–]stRiNg-kiNg -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

              hmmm you weren't talking about him, but de boer definitely does. Put yourself in their shoes. EZ$

              [–]SoftOathSoftGoat 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

              There's a lot of ways to make easy money, but ruining a bunch of people's experience with the game and the competitive intention of the Ranked playlist is a bit distasteful.

              [–]TellMeBBGURL[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Very distasteful indeed, that's why everyone should know.

              [–]Ermahgeeerd -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              To say this is for money is just ignorant, at most he gets a handfull of subs out of this that sub specifically for this ? that's what 10$ this month ? & you think he wants to waste his time earning 10$ ? It's a service he lends to people who do wish to support him, some sort of thankyou if you will. + 80% of the people who post here probably have used a smurf account one way or another

              [–]samsabSamsab 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              1. He is getting money for smurfing and boosting. Doesn't matter how much, he's getting paid for it.

              2. If he wants to do viewer games, do it privately or casually.

              3. "Everyone's doing it" is a terrible reason to allow something.

              [–]Krose13Challenge...should be Rising Star -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I play against 50% smurfs every night. I won't reach rising star because of it. You don't see me crying.

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