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[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR - IRC MOD 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Solid field report IMHO. I used to do this often times back when I needed to show it, but was not happening organically. The sad part was the night ended with her wanting you to initiate and you hamstering that she didn't make enough effort.

[–]J_IncognitoMarried 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great FR. It's good that not every FR ends in pornstar sex.

We kissed a little and my wife didn’t say her usual pre-emptive and emphatic “Good Night Sweetie!” [powertalk] to signal that she wasn’t interested in any advance I might be tempted to make. I suspected she’d be open to accepting my initiation, but unfortunately, she just lay there quietly and I want more investment than that.

I get it. We'd all love our wives to rip our clothes off and devour our dicks. But, you can't retreat when that doesn't happen. Maybe your instincts are calibrated correctly - and you were headed for perfunctory sex. My only tip would have been to sexualize the date a little bit more, dirty whispers in her ear at dinner, while dancing (her "pretty sparse tonight", you "good, less people to see me grab your ass" - it doesn't have to make sense). No harm, no foul however. +1

[–]MgFeSiMarried 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Echoing rebornred, thank goodness someone who can write right, finally writed.

My positive takeaways:

  • Running game on your wife is essential.
  • It doesn't have to be this complicated.
  • As the complexities increase, so do the potential of covert contracts.
  • As the execution gets underway, every ounce of OI needs to be available. Frame seems to have been held.

My negative takeaways:

  • This is tons of effort to try to get his wife to really understand just how hot he is, and how other girls like him so much. On some level, wasn't this whole date night really just an attempt to convince his wife of his SMV?
  • Bartering for investment is just a reverse test. But it aligned with his goals. His intent was not to take her out, game her, bring her home and have awesome sex. His investment was to change her thinking. Was this whole thing a huge comfort test on his part?

[–]J_IncognitoMarried [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is tons of effort to try to get his wife to really understand just how hot he is, and how other girls like him so much.

He did put in a fair bit of planning. I think that's fine as long as she perceives it as occurring somewhat organically w/ a degree of spontaneity. Don't build it up as "date night" which reeks of a covert contract. OP reports doing a great job of being OI (perhaps too much so, that he didn't even initiate). All in all he led a fun night w/ his wife. Rinse and repeat - Rome wasn't built in a day.

Agreed that it doesn't have to be this complicated however. For example, last Thursday my wife was going nuts with the kids. I called a sitter on the way home and told her to throw on a skirt. Took her to dinner at local "town center" / mall. Midway through dinner I leaned across table and told her to go to bathroom and remove her panties. She didn't, but blushed and smiled ear to ear. After dinner we strolled thru the mall and came home to a quiet house and had a good time. Nothing magic.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Honestly, you posted a FR about a couple having a good time, anything i would add would be little details, but there isn't a FR out there that doesn't have things one can nitpick.

With that out of the way.


She : 60 times. Language reflects thought, it still has a feel of you dancing for attention, but I can't put my finger on how, i may be looking too hard though.

She managed her time poorly and had to rush through her shower and prep activities.

The whole point of a date is to build comfort and get her in the mood. not sure if making her do chores beforehand is the way to do it. If it's just her makeup routine taking forever, then disregard. I usually set the time 30 minutes earlier, so when she's 30 minutes late, we end up right on time, and I look like an oak for not getting mad about being late to an event. next time, handle the logistics, otherwise, it comes off as giving her more work to do, not her getting excited about a thing you aren't telling her about.

I said “I’m sitting next to my date! Did you think was an interview?” [pressure flip]

Pressure flip would have been more like... Would you prefer if I ignored you all night?, though it was a clever AM with a little flirting.

but mostly talked about the food and our kids.

This is the part I'm focused on. You had your congruence test. you were setup for this but delivered this

Man, be interesting, do interesting shit. Make shit up if you have to. you've been there before, I assumed you talked with people? with everyone you could? Picture this scenario, you go in, reckognize a dude/girl from past events, quickly mingle. "Hey susan! Did that thing I told you about work out? [insert continuation of conversation last time] <-- this is called a bridge, sort of. Now, instead of it being you and the wife on a date, it can be you, in your social event, having her qualify herself to enter your social circle. Subtle, but powerful.

I've seen this work first hand. The navy was great for the in-crowd, and you'd get to know everyone. Girls would come to the event, and see you chatting up anyone there. everyone knew you, and you were the guy that everyone was happy to see, because everyone is drunk, and we've all lived together.

Chicks don't care about line dancing, or partying, not really. they care about a social circle, connections, and rapport. Especially if you're the one people are walking up to in order to mingle, but you going the other way works too.

she just lay there quietly and I want more investment than that.

you want to bang your wife. The fact that it took you an hour, with the 'croud' support to get her to stop trying to lead... probably means you're going to have to force your will for a while. Nothing helps establish a submissive, pleasant wife like A good hard dicking. the fact she was rooting for you too. Ah well, next time tiger. In her mind, you haven't earned the investment yet, and I'g agree. Don't feel bad, just treat it like you're fucking the bitchiness out of her (and you kind of are)


Don't take this as anything other than just armchair quarterbacking though. Leaps and bounds over where you were, only a few weeks ago. And I get how it's a little more 'planned' in your head, because it doesn't come naturally. I'll bet you do stuff like this a little more often, and you'll see it happen on autopilot.

Keep at it tiger. Picture pook in your head as you do things, I'll bet it helps some.

Just hope that denial you gave her last night doesn't cause her to clam up (get what i did there?) girls don't take rejection so well.

[–]2gunsgetsome[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for the feedback, uh, Tiger.

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Honestly, you posted a FR about a couple having a good time

Good. It's eventually my goal to have this kind of thing be so typical for me that it's not worthy of a FR. (end edit)

not sure if making her do chores beforehand is the way to do it.

I should have clarified, but it would have been more about "her". She took it on herself to clean up for the sitter, the same way she does before the actual house cleaner comes. I was busy doing other things, specifically bathing the kids, cooking their dinner, and planning our meals for the week. The house was clean enough, it was her clutter that she was hiding.

If it's just her makeup routine taking forever, then disregard.

She has no makeup routine...

I usually set the time 30 minutes earlier, so when she's 30 minutes late, we end up right on time, and I look like an oak for not getting mad about being late to an event.

This is exactly what I did, I just didn't detail it. I'd actually planned the extra time to deal with potentially clingy kids, but time is time, no matter who uses it.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol, tigers for everyone!

[–]2gunsgetsome[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thought a little more about this.

Nothing helps establish a submissive, pleasant wife like A good hard dicking

For the last year, up until about 6 weeks ago, I was more-or-less compulsively initiating every day and both the quantity and quality of sex was increasing (as indicated by the spreadsheet I used to keep...). I decided I was tired of forcing my will without any reflected investment. Given that I was feeling like I made some progress back then, maybe I ought to revert to that mode.

they care about a social circle, connections, and rapport

I get it. And I'm working on it. To random girls, I have no problem with any of these things because In reality, I do have a social circle, I do have connections in the live music scene, and I can build rapport with the randoms by trickling out information because to them, I am mysterious. What I'm struggling with is appearing mysterious to my wife. Yeah, it was probably performing for attention, but appearing mysterious was exactly what I was going for when I busted out a new-to-her skill and ordered an atypical drink.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know, we're here, so we talk.

nothing else to post but dick pics, and I don't think you want those

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR - IRC MOD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Speak only for yourself ;)

[–]reborn_redUnplugging - pregnant LTR 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Great FR, solid writing too. Thank fuck. There has been some weak shit on here recently.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

wasn't yours on here recently?

[–]screechhater 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"wasn't yours on here recently?" WMP would be proud

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR - IRC MOD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

looks like stone is jack10 reborn with wmp as his father

[–]CaladhanBrood 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

As a Muslim I had to look up what that phrase meant. Not a story I've heard but interesting the phrase exists. *sigh* damn infidels. Am I going to have to start breaking legs again?

 

Getting serious now though. Did she become like this before or after kids? I have a really difficult time putting myself in some of the shoes of the guys here. I don't know how you all handle it. I would have mentally checked out long ago. That's not meant as a brag, the total opposite in fact. It takes strength to keep trying and drag your marriage up and back together, a strength I dont think I have at the moment.

Wish you the best.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

The trick is... It's not about her. the woman they married is gone. And the men have to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. they have a sparring partner, right in front of them, to practice this shit, until they are ready to move on and find another.

Luckily for most women, they click before it's too late, and start acting right... For the rest? Well, there's always ex addict bro, to welcome them with open arms.

[–]CaladhanBrood 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I didn't understand why someone would improve themselves consistently while their woman is the way she is and still keep her around.

Your comment about the sparring partner made complete sense though. I'd read it before but had forgotten it. That's a mentality I can get behind.

Thank you.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I say it with a caveat.

UEMcgill brought up a good point that makes me only use it selectively now. Some women are just duds, and keeping them around does more harm than good. Great practice, but it's like putting broken glass over your house to build tougher feet, more trouble than it's worth.

On the flip side was TFA and them. Her shitty attitude is mostly a reflection of being a shitty man. In that case, it's mostly about coming to terms with your own frankenstein, and knowing that you made her a shit woman, you can unmake her as well.

But for a lot of guys, they still have oneitis for her, so I've found the 'sparring partner' analogy helps them have a narrative, until they get to the point in their life where they have abundance, and are able to decide who gets to stay in their life. Kind of like deferring your career ambitions until you have completed your schooling e.g.

End of the day, the best diet is one that you can stick to. Asking a BP man to ditch all the dead weight just ain't gonna happen. Treating them as your training dummy? That has better chance of getting traction.

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a little catch 22 with this that those of us who have a hard time turning off our brain get caught up in:

You picked her. You allowed her to act in X way for X amount of time. You were that guy. Now you are changing, and you expect her to change .....why?

So the trick is to truly internalize that the man you were is not the man you are, and you are NOT responsible for his promises / bad deals unless there is a contract ( ie marriage)

So the thing is to find a way to be responsible for the result, be accountable for your past choices and actions internally, without letting it affect your current choices

[–]PurpleVeteran 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A great FR and a well-implemented plan. I especially like the balance between passive and active dread -- showing enough game to wake up her hamster, without "hitting on the waitress".

One of the things I’ve been actively trying to break the habit of is talking about the kids when we’re alone, but I haven’t cracked that nut yet.

This comes from her spending 24/7 at home. If she's not talking about the mundane details of potty-training, it's logistics for next week. At the same time, MRP suggests that we don't talk about work either, so I find myself mostly silent on our hour-long walks. I think I need to read up more on day-game to find a way to fill the empty spaces.

STP writes:

She : 60 times. Language reflects thought, it still has a feel of you dancing for attention

Perhaps, but I think that you've done a good job building your "frame", and now its time to pull her into it. You've definitely shown her an alpha side that she doesn't normally see. Now you can continue searching for abundance, and let her hamster work for you. I'm curious to see how she reacts to this outing, and your next few nights out.

[–]il-est-ressusciteMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was referring to your attempts to interest a 2 year old and a 4 year old in YOUR hobbies lol.

Sounds like a great night out. You should plan more because I sincerely doubt this:

she can infer from the small sampling (and my casual comment) that the peak-night crowd is generally sexier…

You've already demonstrated that in this case subtle fails to persuade

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

FR's like this trigger my WTF meter- is there really a reason to think so deeply into your responses that you are able to recall them later and describe which technique you were using (aa/fog/pressure flip/etc)

Is it an aspie thing to think this out so much, or am I the one outside the mold here?

curious on your take